Timing issues with pictures appearing in GE

[paulosbrumbos]

Hiya again, 

I've had a look in the FAQ about the following issue, couldnt find anything apologies if its there.

I uploaded this pic on April the 6th

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/88422062

It was accepted for GE shortly afterwards, but still does not appear in GE, nearly 7 weeks ago.

I uploaded this pic on April 13th

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/88747577

No problems its on GE, 

Is there a reason for this?

Also in the FAQ it states 6wks as a max........

Many Thanks

[Draken]

Copy & paste:

2. Photos in Google Earth.
2.1. Why can’t I see my photos in Google Earth?
Please note that Google Earth and Google Maps are not the same. Please read question 2.3 if you don’t find your photos in Google Maps. Uploading photos to Panoramio does not mean that they automatically appear on Google Earth.
First, make sure that the photo is mapped. Then, you must wait for the photo to get reviewed. If the photo is approved for Google Earth, the waiting game starts. Read on for more information about the review process.
All photos uploaded to Panoramio are reviewed by a group of hard working individuals we simply know as reviewers. Mapped photos which are found to be good according to the selection guidelines are selected for Google Earth. The time it takes to select the photos varies since a batch of photos is broken up and distributed to different reviewers. If you for example upload ten photos, these may be reviewed by several reviewers at different times. The photos that are approved will receive a blue compass symbol.
Then, the selected photos are forwarded to Google Earth for final integration into the Panoramio photo layer. This may take some time. Sometimes photos can be put in place days after they were selected, but within two months time is considered normal. This process is not consecutive; the photos which are approved first may show up in Google Earth last, and vice versa. Please note the reviewers are not the same as the forum moderators. As far as we know, the reviewers have never entered the forum, so nobody in the forum knows who they are.

2.9. I’ve seen my photo in Google Earth, but now it’s gone. Why is that?
When photos are entering the Google Earth layer, they do so in a temporary layer which is visible at high altitude. These photos will later be placed in a permanent layer which it takes about three days to build. During those days photos are still being added to the temporary layer. The photos added during those days will not be part of the newly built permanent layer. When the permanent layer goes live, the old temporary layer is replaced with a new one and the photos added during the three day period will not be seen until they are included with the next permanent layer.
So basically, you’ve had some bad luck and the photo will reappear after a month or so.

The first photo had 1 GE view on April 24th.

Please see stats  http://www.panoramio.com/photo/88422062/stats

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

paulosbrumbos 

did you read FAQ chapter 2.1? Answer is here:

[hvbemmel]

from the FAQ:

2.9. I’ve seen my photo in Google Earth, but now it’s gone. Why is that?
When photos are entering the Google Earth layer, they do so in a temporary layer which is visible at high altitude. These photos will later be placed in a permanent layer which it takes about three days to build. During those days photos are still being added to the temporary layer. The photos added during those days will not be part of the newly built permanent layer. When the permanent layer goes live, the old temporary layer is replaced with a new one and the photos added during the three day period will not be seen until they are included with the next permanent layer.
So basically, you’ve had some bad luck and the photo will reappear after a month or so.

and from 2.1

Then, the selected photos are forwarded to Google Earth for final integration into the Panoramio photo layer. This may take some time. Sometimes photos can be put in place days after they were selected, but within two months time is considered normal. This process is not consecutive; the photos which are approved first may show up in Google Earth last, and vice versa

[Draken]

Mr. Brumby

How quick was your look at the FAQ?  Just a passing glance?

[Panamon-Creel]

Just to make sure ;)

----->

2.1. Why can’t I see my photos in Google Earth?

........

The photos that are approved will receive a blue compass symbol.

Then, the selected photos are forwarded to Google Earth for final integration into the Panoramio photo layer. This may take some time. Sometimes photos can be put in place days after they were selected, but within two months time is considered normal. This process is not consecutive; the photos which are approved first may show up in Google Earth last, and vice versa.

........

[paulosbrumbos]

Thanks Draken!!!!!

I will watch in anticipation!!!!

[paulosbrumbos]

Hi Draken, 

I have been checking and some pictures which which uploaded on 5th of April still do not appear in GE, now nearly 10 weeks ago

https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=233&with_photo_id=88390578&order=date_desc&user=611503

I know folk keep asking how long etc, but I have been uploading for quite a few years, but lately it seems none of mine seem to be appearing.

Is there a problem?

Many Thanks!!!!

[Wim Constant]

Well, I guess you have to wait a little while longer than. You know, patience is a virtue.

But, don't worry, in the end it all will be alright.

[Draken]

"Within two months time" isn't as precise as to say 60 days. It is two months, give and take. Namely, it could be some more days, in your case. Sometimes, it is some less days. That's life!!

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

SPECULATION MODE ON:

My wild guess: new Google Maps are in the air (you can see beta preview if you want).

Presentation of Panoramio photos on new GM is very different from current one.

Delayed update of Panoramio layer for maps may have the reason here.

SPECULATION MODE OFF

Backlog starts at 15th - 16th April. 4 days to go...

Issue was reported to site admins some time ago, but still without an answer.

[Wim Constant]

Op woensdag 12 juni 2013 00:03:00 UTC+2 schreef Tomas K☼h☼ut het volgende:

Backlog starts at 15th - 16th April. 4 days to go...

(Hé, psssst, Tomas, it's June!)

[Panamon-Creel]

Pssst Wim, FAQ says two Month :)

[hvbemmel]

Yes there is a backlog

Yes, this is exeptional

Yes, the team has been informed, multiple times. last time June 3

Yes, the team has asked the GE team more then once. last time June 3 by my knowledge

No, there is no answer yet that we know off

No, we can not do anything in this forum other then waiting for an answer or regularly ask the team for an update on things.

[backpacker2004]

I know I risk moderator reprimand for adding to this thread, but I have about 40 pictures that were uploaded and selected for GE on April 5th and 6th and have yet to appear in GE.  I was doing about 20 pictures a day for weeks prior and after those dates and with the exception of quite recent pictures, all but those 40 have appeared in GE.  I understand the eventual  appearance in GE is helter skelter, but was surprised to see those same dates mentioned in the origin of this thread.  The FAQ says the Panoramio reviewers forward the pictures to GE after approval.  Having pointed out in the FAQ they are human, is it possible that pictures approved never actually were forwarded to GE?  Some of the aforementioned group of 40 have shown in Google Maps, so is that proof they left Panoramio at some point?  

[Pom']

more than clear hvb. thank you.

[hvbemmel]

There are (give or take) 3 million photos waiting to appear in GE. There are many changes in GM (completely new in beta), GE and G+ and more to come. There are obviously synchronization problems (IMO) with G+ and probably also with GE. Where the problem lies is for the GE team to decide. We can speculate as much as we want, but the answer will have to come from the team.

[Pom']

as I said in the other thread about this problem, the question might be, sooner or later, that GE and other G systems might cover their needs of images without Panoramio, or give Panoramio a space more limited in GE,  since they generate their own images, as in G street view. Hoping to be wrong about this, regards.

[hvbemmel]

Word from the team is that Google does not want to rely on only images from Streetview or whatever other means of generating photos. They want the input from users (UGC, User Generated Content), not only from Panoramio, but also from Mapmaker, 3D etc. Trusting the team on this, there is no issue about the photos from PA on GE. 

My opininon: What we should be aware of is that the space in the Panoramio layer gets more and more filled. There are already implemented several features that solve a little of this problem, like the different heights photos are shown on and the clusters. I´m sure that the teams are contemplating other ways to show our photos in GE so all photos will have a chance to be seen. If this is the issue at hand, I don´t know. I think not as the PA team apparently has no direct knowledge of causes of the delay.

[MikeFromholt]

hvb, thanks for the link, as I have noticed more of my pics showing up on googlemaps, especially in areas where there have been less photos taken. Not sure about heavy submisson areas.

[Tom Cooper (AustinMN)]

On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:18:12 AM UTC-5, hvbemmel wrote:

Word from the team is that Google does not want to rely on only images from Streetview or whatever other means of generating photos. They want the input from users (UGC, User Generated Content), not only from Panoramio, but also from Mapmaker, 3D etc. Trusting the team on this, there is no issue about the photos from PA on GE. 

 

When I was at the U.S. Google Geo User summit in the summer of 2011, I got a chance to tell some of the GM/GE developers that Streetview was a mugshot.  It is functional but ugly, lacking in both creativity and life.  When asked to show my favorite Pano photo, I brought up a beautiful image that streetview would never possibly come up with, even though it could have photographed in that location.  I'd like to think the statement stuck.

 

BTW, while I was there, I got a photo of one of the forum moderators (the one who always hides behind a camera) in case anyone wants to know what Draken really looks like:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/59693614

 

Tom

[hvbemmel]

I noticed he sometimes takes off that attachment ;-)

[paulosbrumbos]

Actually just noticed that most of the pictures I am referring to as not showing in GE are actually showing on Google Maps.

I prefer google earth though.....pffftftt

Thanks anyway folks!!!

[Adam Lasnik]

Hey everyone,

I'm still researching Google Earth-related stuff on my end here.  What I am confident noting so far is the following:

• We continue to appreciate Panoramio photos and have no plans to stop showing them in old Maps, new Maps, or Google Earth.  With that said, we'll also continue to use imagery from other sources (including Google+ public geotagged images, photo spheres contributed by users, etc.)
• We'd love for Street View to be perceived as less of a "mugshot."  Tom, were you referring specifically to what you see as the utilitarian selection of imagery?  And do you feel the same way about the Street View Special Collection Gallery?  On a related note, with Photo Sphere, we are empowering non-Googlers around the world to contribute  360-degree panoramas on Google Maps, which further opens up more (IMHO) non-mugshot'y options ;)

I expect to have more info re: your concerns about Panoramio photo acceptance on Google Earth soon.

P.S. -- AustinMN:  I think we may have met at the 2011 U.S. Google Geo User summit, which I helped put together :)

[Adam Lasnik]

And I've just chatted with the Google Earth team and...

• They've confirmed that there's a known and significant delay in getting photos approved for GE towards the end of April shown in Google Earth (sorry!)
• They don't yet have an ETA for when these photos will show up, but in the meantime, nothing will get 'lost' (e.g., photos approved for GE will eventually show up in GE)

When I get another update from that team I'll definitely share it here.  Thanks for your patience in the meantime.

Regards,

Adam

[paulosbrumbos]

Thank You Adam........really helpful information!!!!!!!

[Sergio Bagna]

Where is the chat with the GE team, Adam? Me too I've 2 photos (Pisa) uploaded on April 16 that need the Job's patience.

[Draken]

Sergio

The chat is nowhere to be seen. It is a chat held personally by Adam with the GE Team either in Mountain View (Google main Headquarters) or via a Google+ hangout, or internal email. Capisci?

[Sergio Bagna]

Okay, let's wait for hopefully.

[Adam Lasnik]

Ah, I just realized that my reply via email didn't reach the forum*, so let me share additional details here!

Photos with ID < 89,024,207 AND approved AFTER 4/20, 3am PDT will not show up until next release

The Earth team is working very hard to get the next release... er... released! :)

*In case you're curious about this example of user-error... I have multiple send-from addresses in my Gmail, and only one of them is registered on this forum, so sending from the others results in the post being lost.  Oops!

[~Marlene~]

Hi Adam... what about a photo uploaded 4/16 (approved within 24 hrs.) and the number is 88,912,013? Still not in GE and no views! Thanks... 

[backpacker2004]

Hello Adam, Same question as Marlene about pictures uploaded and approved on 4/5 and 4/6 with no show in GE.  Are they likely to be included in this next release?  Thanks

[Sergio Bagna]

The same for my 88921029 & 88921257 uploaded april, 16 and selected within 24 hours. All the best!

[papkassen]

nothing to complain about, a couple of pics, I have 27 pages waiting, but they have visitors, others than my self.

[Jeff Gunderson]

In general I agree its best to check documentation such as manuals and FAQs before bothering people or posting topics. However such documentation is not easy to find and certainly isn't the first thing users see when they need help or support.  When I click on "Help" from my photo page I am brought to http://www.panoramio.com/help and do not see the FAQ section that you quote. A more streamlined website would really help with duplicate thread topics and silly questions plugging up the forums. 

[hvbemmel]

Jeff,

The help section has been made and is maintained by the team so can be found on the Panoramio pages. The FAQ is made by a moderator (RoarX) and maintained by him. So the FAQ can be found in the forum. This is the way things "naturally" developed

Having said that, we (the moderators) are in discussion with the team to make "help", now hidden on the bottom of the page, and FAQ more visible in both Panoramio and forum. We think it´s very important that links to those two are more prominently shown as often as can be, without getting annoying. We have made some suggestions to the team about that and hope they will agree with us.

So we agree with you on all points ;-)

[Jeff Gunderson]

Thanks for the reply. I'm glad this is a recognized issue and hopefully it will be addressed soon. I finally found the FAQ. Its very comprehensive. Too bad its somewhat hidden to novice users like myself (the people that actually need to see it!).

[Adam Lasnik]

I'm checking on some of the photos you've noted that don't fall within the set I described.  Will let you know as soon as I have more info.

[Sergio Bagna]

Thanks Adam! :)

[papkassen]

new upload of pics to GE Ttoday

[Galatas ©]

Am I correct in thinking these are just a temporary layer upload which will shortly disappear again until a new permanent layer is uploaded ?
I still have photos from late March right up to the present date which aren't yet on Google Earth.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Galatas: we don't know. Adam and other admins may know...

I checked randomly selected set of my photos uploaded since mid April in GE (yes, those I was missing). Most of them seems seems to be visible now - after 2 month and couple of days. ;-). I have to admit I am still missing in GE photos  uploaded on 15. - 19. April.

In fact, even photos uploaded 4 days ago are on, so large part of the backlog has been processed. 

[~Marlene~]

I can't find anything I've uploaded sine April 16th... about 4 pages worth of pics!

[Galatas ©]

Mine have all appeared in the last few hours. Most are only visible at very low altitudes and those in popular places haven't got their own icon but they do appear in nearby clusters if you get the altitude right.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Marlene, I've found your photos on GE...

88912003 (16th April)

89040368 (19th April)

89493654 (29th April)

I did not check more... 

[~Marlene~]

Hi Tomas... the first one I was aware of. It has some GE views. The photo I uploaded just after it has no views and I can't find it. The other two you mentioned may be there, but they must be buried. I have not one GE view on any upload since the first one on your list.

[backpacker2004]

I believe I've checked carefully for 50 to 60 pictures that were uploaded on April 5th and 6th, approved by April 6th and 7th and I still can't see them on GE.  There were other pictures I uploaded on April 6th that have shown in GE for some time.  Here are four of the missing as an example and they are located somewhat remotely with no clusters of other pictures: 88436934, 88392382, 88389868, and 88402372.

[SteveT]

I too have seen most of my photos GE added in the pasts hours and GE view counts won't probably be seen for a day or so on those. BUT and its a big BUT we have our old old problem back, that a lot are cross linked to other peoples photos again. 

Stephen

[hvbemmel]

Thx Steve, I reported

Herman

[Galatas ©]

On Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:31:52 AM UTC+1, SteveT wrote:

.......................... BUT and its a big BUT we have our old old problem back, that a lot are cross linked to other peoples photos again. 

Stephen

I mentioned that in my earlier post. If I remember correctly only the first photo in a cluster receives a " counter click" when a cluster is opened. That's going to be a big issue for those who treat their view count as a matter of life and death. It will also lead a lot of people , particularly new users , to believe their photos aren't on Google Earth at all.

EDIT:  Sorry Stephen , having seen another thread about cross linked photos I now realise it is a different problem.

[hvbemmel]

Galatas, Steve means that there are many photos from other places in the world appearing under the title of a user. A bug that comes again and again and solved itself until the last time. The team thought it was repaired, but it seems it was not

[df3vi]

I noted that virtually all of my "new" photos (uploaded mid April to mid May) in GE are linked wrong. But when I zoom out and the same photo is then joined to a cluster with other photos it is linked correctly. However if the cluster contains only my photos all are linked wrong again.

More curious: If I fly to that wrong linked photo's location and open that, it shows another wrong linked photo. You can continue this game over several photos, until you end up at one that is placed correctly. All wrong linked photos are new ones (from May).

I remember a long time ago there was a bug in GE data when all photos were affected by this for several days.

[Galatas ©]

Yes Herman , I gathered that when I read the other post about cross linking.

[SteveT]

Updated_Thanx Herman and Galatas,

The boys must be keeping an eye on things over the weekend and the links seem as though they have been properly restored.

Stephen

Update:- Sorry the problem still exists- I'd checked about 9 or ten photos which were OK and then wrote the above. This morning checked a few different ones and the problem is still there.

[~Marlene~]

I have, today, finally received a few GE views on recently uploaded photos. Maybe the fix is in? Thanks!

[~Marlene~]

I still cannot find this photo in GE... http://www.panoramio.com/photo/88912013, uploaded April 16th. Could someone please check and see if I am missing something? Thanks!

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Marlene, I cannot see this one.

As I wrote in this post, I still cannot see my accepted photos uploaded between 15. - 19. April. This might be also your case. Your photo was uploaded on 16th April - within this suspicious time interval. At the moment, we have no other option than to wait for next update.

[~Marlene~]

Thanks, Thomas, for the confirmation!

[SteveT]

I see the photo links are crossed again, 3rd time in as many days.

If possible would really like to have a bit more of an technical explanation of what goes on behind the scenes with these type of problems, and perhaps why some of them take so long to fix.

Cheers

Stephen

[Draken]

SteveT

I doubt the kind of explanation you ask for is ever made public by a company like Google.  

[SteveT]

Draken

I know, but it would be nice to hear more about the goings on behind the scenes.

Stephen

[SteveT]

The cross linked photos seems to be fixed again but this time there has been a change in the texture / appearance of Google Earth. 

Possible the signs of other things happening?

Stephen 

http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2013/06/google-earth-base-imagery-enhancements.html  for Google Earth Blog notes on the change in texture

[backpacker2004]

Hello Thomas,

How will we know when the next update to GE has happened?  As I had posted above, and as of today, I'm still not seeing the batch of pictures posted and approved in the April 5th to 7th timeframe.  Those are also the dates mentioned by paulosbrumbos, the originator of this thread.  He hasn't checked in to say whether his pictures ever showed up in GE, maybe I'll send him  a private message and confirm one way or the other.

[Sergio Bagna]

Not only from 5 to 7 april, also 16.

[Adam Lasnik]

Fixes are still in progress.  We're monitoring both this thread and other datapoints, and are aiming to get this all corrected as soon as possible.

[~Marlene~]

Thank you, Adam! You might also check around April 25th. I had, along with others, been receiving GE views on photos that just suddenly stopped receiving views after that date. I'm sure this is not fun for you, so we appreciate your work on it & the updates! :-)

[Adam Lasnik]

Hey, it's an important part of my job to help y'all be happy and to get things moving in good directions with Panoramio, so no worries.  Thanks for your patience :)

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Also some users in Czech forum are missing their photos.

It seems we have two intervals of "lost":

5. - 7.4. 2013

15. - 19.4. 2013

P.S. I am affected too... in both time intervals. But not a big deal with my 4444 photos and 3755 in GE! ;-)

[paulosbrumbos]

Sod it.........Ive just deleted pictures and re uploaded.....Im impatient, lets see what happens!!!!!

[Lady GooGoo La La]

Rocket acceptance, I just had a photo accepted to GE in < 20 minutes, stats in 3 days....WOW!   :~)