Panoramio heritage in Views (help to the team)

[IPAAT]

Hello everyone! As you know, Panoramio should be integrated into Views by Google Maps. Discuss this fact is meaningless, it will be. I think that we can help the new team to understand what features are important to users and why. These functions really want to see in the Views. I made a list. Please add if I forgot something.

1. The basic function

1.1. Loading photos (I think, there's no questions)
1.2. Deleting photos (also obviously)
1.3. Mapping of photos ( this is the main trump card of Panoramio-Views)
1.4. Unmapping of photos (not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)
1.5. Title of the photos ( I think there's no question )
1.6. Edit the title of the photos (obviously)
1.7. Photos tags (add, edit, delete, search ) (useful )

1.8. Photo albums ( not yet on Panoramio) ( it is convenient, users always wanted)
1.9. Editing a user settings (obviously)
1.10. Change sequence (list) of photos (something like "organise and reorder" in Picasaweb) (not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)

2. Community features
No one uploads photos just like that. Everybody wants talk about them or about the subject. Everyone wants to discuss about the problem and see the solution.Everyone wants to communicate. I think no need to comment on each list item.

2.1. Comments to photo (add, delete, translation)
2.2. List favorite photos
2.3. List of favorite people
2.4. Description of photos
2.5. The ability to embed links, bold text, italics, etc. in the comments and descriptions
2.6. List of e-mail newsletters with user settings (comments, favorite users , etc.).
2.7. Personal message ( with the ability to turn off)
2.8. Profile with avatar, text, and a link to a personal website
2.9. The use of nicknames in the future if possible (not a real names )
2.10. Feature «Like» for photo
2.11. Different feedback to the community - games, contests and discussion of photos, lessons , etc.

3. Share  function
Only it has a competitive advantage of Panoramio/Views. For no reason people will not upload photos to this site. If their pictures no one will view, the interest of users to upload go away. Interest in the uploading proportional to the number views. More views is more downloads . 0 views is 0 uploads. This is especially important for new users. For them to be temporary preferences .

3.1. Views photos in Google Earth
3.2. Views photos on Google Maps
3.3. Generating kml-file with user photos
3.4. Share photos in G+ , Twitter and other social networks that allow Google ;-)
3.5. Views photos via Panoramio ( Views) API
3.6. Easy ways to get the html code to embed any photos through the API (like on YouTube ) (not yet on Panoramio) for any personal or commercial website (blog)
3.7. Easy ways to disable embed photos via API ( like on YouTube ) (not yet on Panoramio)
3.8. Slideshow with photos on different parameters (date, tags, etc.) on the user page

3.8. Simple URL-links for photo ID and user ID (may be for the user-link with the nickname as it is now on Panoramio: http://www.panoramio.com/user/ipaat, but not a meaningless string of numbers and letters as on G+. But the main thing - remember that many people use direct links to pictures and users on different web-sites for many years and it will be very bad if they stop working. As a last resort should be made automatically redirect the old URL)

4. Feedback function

4.1. Add the suggestion about wrong position of photos to the author (this is important, if Google does not want to make Google Earth a real dump, which is inconvenient to use )
4.2 . Add the suggestion about the wrong position to team (via the forum moderators, or via the feedback form) (this is important because the website are a lot of "dead" users )
4.3. Report about inappropriate photos (via forum moderators or via the feedback form ) (sex, spam, violence, etc. are not allowed of course)
4.4. Get the answer to a question on the forum (by moderators, users or teams)
4.5.The actual speed of for handling complaints in the photo, not weeks or months! (users is the most effective "dung beetles" because they can bring all the garbage in one place, but the team needs to effectively throw away this crap, otherwise users will not complain)
4.6. The team hears the request of users ( it is respect for the community )
4.7. The team says about the new features and bug fixes ( this is wishes :-) )

5. Statistics function
As I wrote in Section 3, users will not upload photos when they have no incentive. Statistics - the biggest of the free incentives. Give users a convenient functions of statistics and they will be playing in her spare time :-)

5.1. Easy way to stats of views of photos
5.2 . Easy way to learn, display a photo on Google Earth and Google Maps or not (different icons )

6. Review function
This question (as we know it) is very painful for the users. I just imagine from a distance what a tremendous job doing every day the reviewers and I am glad that now they rarely make mistakes. But I repeat this is a very important point, so I'll describe it in more detail .

6.1. Crisp, clear, transparent and unambiguous rules of review (now we have some chaos in the rules, but more importantly, there are no clear criteria on controversial situations)
6.2 . Easy way to ask for a second review (yes, sometimes people abuse it (me too), but the reviewers are sometimes wrong, so users need in a second chance)
6.3 . Report an error about someone review of photos (on the forum moderators, or via the feedback form)
6.4. The actual speed of the review process and the handling of complaints (at least as of now )

7. 7. Help section

It's no secret that many users are experiencing problems with the site. There are many non-obvious and obscure functions. Help section is significantly outdated.

7.1. Users must have a clear Help. Ideally, this should be a list of steps with illustrations of screenshots.

7.2. Users must initially understand what photos are welcome to Panoramio.

7.3. Of course, the exact answer to the "main" question "Why I can not see my photos to Google Earth?"

7.4. Users need to understand the difference between mapping and snapping.

7.5. Users must have a way of getting extra help on the forum.

7.6. Users must have a FAQ (Roar wrote it very well)

8. People like the contests. Even without prizes. Community is prepared to organize themselves. Please think, maybe you can help in the organization of contests (optional).

9. I forgot something ?

Oh yeah, soryy ebaut mi inglish, it's not me, it's Google translator :-)))

[Draken]

Santa Teresa said more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones. 

[Tomros - undecided now]

Excellent summary of wants and wishes.

the only thing I see missing are Contests. I like them.

Perhaps another photo web site would be more receptive to these suggestions then Google.

I have a pretty good idea, that they do not even read the forum. Let see what will be Evan response here.

 

[RoarX]

This post was originally posted in the moderators forum one year ago tomorrow. The initial response from Adam was positive, but I'm not sure what went wrong...

[IPAAT]

the only thing I see missing are Contests. I like them.

OK, added as number 8. 

[© Tom Cooper not going to Views]

How about a mechanism for detailed critique?

 

Here on Panoramio, that has come though a forum, but it would be nice to have a mecanism specifically designed for it.

 

The critique forum has helped me to understand how others think about their photography and mine.  Even giving critiques has helped me better understand what I like about both my and other's photography.

 

Not everyone is interested in the effort necesary to improve themselves, and that is OK.  But for those of us who are not ready to say "OK, it's good enough" getting unedited raw input from others can be very helpful.  Receiving a comment of "Great shot!  YS-L!" is not.

 

Tom

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:20:36 AM UTC-5, IPAAT wrote:

Hello everyone! As you know, Panoramio should be integrated into Views by Google Maps. Discuss this fact is meaningless, it will be. I think that we can help the new team to understand what features are important to users and why. These functions really want to see in the Views. I made a list. Please add if I forgot something.

[IPAAT]

How about a mechanism for detailed critique?

 

Here on Panoramio, that has come though a forum, but it would be nice to have a mecanism specifically designed for it.

 

The critique forum has helped me to understand how others think about their photography and mine.  Even giving critiques has helped me better understand what I like about both my and other's photography.

It is a good idea, but I think that Panoramio is not a photo website for professional photographers where you can get professional advice. I think that this is not a heritage Panoramio for Views. I think that this problem can be left for the guys from the Views for the future. Let them have a some work :-)

[ZIPP]

1.10: Change sequence of photos (something like "organise and reorder" in Picasaweb)

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:20:36 PM UTC+2, IPAAT wrote:

Hello everyone! As you know, Panoramio should be integrated into Views by Google Maps. Discuss this fact is meaningless, it will be. I think that we can help the new team to understand what features are important to users and why. These functions really want to see in the Views. I made a list. Please add if I forgot something.

1. The basic function

1.1. Loading photos (I think, there's no questions)
1.2. Deleting photos (also obviously)
1.3. Mapping of photos ( this is the main trump card of Panoramio-Views)

1.4. Unmapping of photos ( not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)

1.5. Title of the photos ( I think there's no question )
1.6. Edit the title of the photos (obviously)
1.7. P

hotos tags (add, edit, delete, search ) (useful )

1.8. Photo albums ( not yet on Panoramio) ( it is convenient, users always wanted)
1.9. Editing a user settings (obviously)

[IPAAT]

1.10: Change sequence of photos (something like "organise and reorder" in Picasaweb) 

Do not have now on Panoramio, but the idea is important. Added. 

[Hans Sterkendries]

Easy access to your own full-size picture (i.e the download link on Panoramio). 

I use that all the time: I use the tags or the map to search for a particular picture and download it from Panoramio rather than seraching in the folders on my computer.

EXIF information! What self-respecting photography website doesn't display that!??

And may I remind you that we virtually have unlimited storage room on Panoramio whereas Views is likely to be limited to the 15 Gb if your Google Drive?

[© Tom Cooper not going to Views]

I never said anything about "professional" anything.

One does not need to be professional in order to excel.  But one must try in order to excel.

Tom

[hvbemmel]

I agree with Tom, 

1. I learned a lot from the critique forum, although I never really participated (never dared to). I learned from both professionals as from ""normal" users. Panoramio has been unique because it was a place for people to meet, meeting on all levels, the very thing Views will not be. 

2. On this forum the users who care for Panoramio are gathering, I think every input they give about the heritage of Panoramio is what they have got from Panoramio. no user, moderator or not, should decide if this is a valuable input (unless it´s trolling of course). When Tom thinks it should be on the list (again, I second this), it should be on the list without questioning.    

3. Any list you make could influence people that "matter" to see that Panoramio is not the other Flickr or Picasaweb, if they would be prepared to have an open eye instead of a bleeping computer. Perhaps they even would be prepared to implement some things in Views that would make us decide to use Views other then a dumping place for our family pictures. For that the list should be as extensive as possible. 

[®mene]

yep, sounds good...

though that is a list of almost all known Panoramio features it is a good way trying to deal with the told changes.

Views may have other features but also It would be great to get some hints of what the team is going to take with when moving. Changes in current systems are always unwanted and disappoints users and folks. But why not learn to look forward?

cheers, ®mene

Am Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2014 17:20:36 UTC+2 schrieb IPAAT:

Hello everyone! As you know, Panoramio should be integrated into Views by Google Maps. Discuss this fact is meaningless, it will be. I think that we can help the new team to understand what features are important to users and why. These functions really want to see in the Views. I made a list. Please add if I forgot something.

1. The basic function

1.1. Loading photos (I think, there's no questions)

1.2. ... 

[Steve Tandy]

James Therrien and Evan Rappoport have both stated that Google Views is not yet a mature enough product to take the place of Panoramio. Naturally they say they will take users views into consideration to help the development of GV, but I suspect their may be a divergence of opinion between what they foresee, and what users want. At best we would have compromise, at worst user views being overruled.

I have had a look at Google Views and at last we have similar opinions. It certainly is not ready to take over Panoramio's role on the net.
I shall disregard the way the photos are displayed. Personally I dislike the acrylic view in Panoramio, but know that others love it equally. However, all one's own photos in one page/gallery? It can take ages to page down to the bottom when you have as many photos as I have. True I can zoom in on the map to narrow down those for displaying, but thats not ideal.
I use Tags in Panoramio to sort and find photos. Its a shame this was never developed so that 2 or more tags could be selected.
If I click on a photo to enlarge and see stats, when I go back to the gallery I am back at the top! Endless scrolling to get back to where I was. Add to this, twice Firefox has crashed when returning to the gallery view.
Many but not all of my mapped photos are there. None from 2014 are present for some unmentioned reason. Others that I know should be there cannot be found. And some photos (a minority) have been added mutiple times. Locating photos is made more difficult by the fact that their dates have been corrupted. Top of my Most Recent photos are those now saying they were taken in the year 4501! Those at the bottom have had the year changed to 1972. In between I think many photos are out of order because the date has changed by a year or two.
I have 4 options for the viewing order. Most Recent, Most viewed, On Google Maps, With location information. The last two make no difference because all photos have been selected for those properties.
The Statistics just do not compare wuth those shown in Panoramio. In GV my photo's Google Maps views are 7 times greater than the figure claimed by Pano. In fact one photo alone has nearly as many views as the Pano total figure.  Which should I believe?
View statistics are of importance for many of us. Will Google provide tools or let developers create their own so we, the users, can see how our view counts are going? I would like to see all views recorded.

I hope the guys mentioned at the top of the post look in and read this, but if anyone knows their email adddress or a way to contact them I would be grateful.

Steve

[Draken]

Steve

They are both on Google+. They are also Panoramio users (and have the PM on). So, if you feel lucky contact them. Probably very, very lucky if you get a reply.

 

El miércoles, 8 de octubre de 2014 16:42:51 UTC-3, Steve Tandy escribió:

James Therrien and Evan Rappoport... 

[Steve Tandy]

Thank you Draken

I presume you say very very lucky simply because of deluge of comments posted on Evan's photos. It looks like they are appearing faster than he could read them

[Matthew Walters]

I believe the Views stats even less than I believe the Panoramio stats; I get the feeling that Views are counted just on the photo being presented in a strip, not actually clicked on - perhaps 'viewed' but not 'seen'.

[hvbemmel]

Naturally they say they will take users views into consideration to help the development of GV, but I suspect their may be a divergence of opinion between what they foresee, and what users want. At best we would have compromise, at worst user views being overruled.

They said that about groups, which even had a lot of beta testers before going live. The changes that could have made groups a success, managing photos and members in an adequate way, never were made. Repeated questions on groups hit on a wall of ignorance.

They said that about the forum, coming from phpBB in an environment that never was meant to be a forum. I estimate more then halve of our visitors never came back to this forum as it is not intuitive and lacks functionality every forum has

They said that about the acrylic design, listened to a few things even they could not ignore, and left us with yet again unfinished business.

My idea of a worldwide organisation with the "creme de la creme" of IT specialists has gotten a severe blow in the last years. The brilliant idea of Panoramio kept me here, I really love this site and those people contributing their best (the users!).  

But it was not the developers brilliant idea. Pieces of the world famous painting "de Nachtwacht" by Rembrandt van Rijn have been cut off from 5 m * 3,87 m to 4,37 m * 3,63 m when it was moved from the Kloveniersdoelen to the city hall (now royal palace) from Amsterdam. It had to fit between two doors. The original composition of moving people was ruined. what was left was still brilliant.

Panoramio had to fit between other Google products so they changed the composition in a really bad way. Now it has to fit between other compositions so it will be stretched, flattened, cut off on all four sides. Then they can say, look, now it´s our idea, it´s mediocre but it´s ours. Everything that comes with his head above the ground will be cut off. 

"at worst user views being overruled". If you take a bet on that you´ve already won.

[dhanasekarangm]

Hello Friends, 

I find some interesting details of the features View is supposed to have - comparable to Panoramio .

In that case why not Google term it as "Panoviews" & introduce these features as additions to the existing rules / guidelines to the Original Panoramio and retain its identity. 

While enabling panoramio for Google Earth / Google Map for viewing, it is needless to say that Panoramio is a Geographical Site with photos of any place on Earth under the Sun

The following features which are considered to be not available in Panoramio is planned to be included in Google Views:-

                                                                                                          My humble opinion is given in the right side of the table:

1.4. Unmapping of photos (not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)

1.8. Photo albums ( not yet on Panoramio) ( it is convenient, users always wanted)

Even otherwise the Tags serve as Album
1.10. Change sequence (list) of photos (something like "organise and reorder" in Picasaweb) (not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)	It is welcome since sometimes the user retrieve the older date photos  to upload missing the chronological order  in individual statistics

3.4. Share photos in G+ , Twitter and other social networks that allow Google ;-)

Sharing in other forms is already available & will be an extension to G+ , Twitter

3.6. Easy ways to get the html code to embed any photos through the API (like on YouTube ) (not yet on Panoramio) for any personal or commercial website

No comments

3.7. Easy ways to disable embed photos via API ( like on YouTube ) (not yet on Panoramio)

No comments

4.2 . Add the suggestion about the wrong position to team (via the forum moderators, or via the feedback form) (this is important because the website are a lot of "dead" users )

In every website, there will be surely a sizable percentage of Dead Users (Dormant/Expired). So, if suggestion about the wrong position of a photo  is unanswered by the User for a considerable period of time say (30 days) the same  can be removed from Google Earth / Google Map – The feature can aswell be introduced to Panoramio/ Panoview itself

6.1. Crisp, clear, transparent and unambiguous rules of review (now we have some chaos in the rules, but more importantly, there are no clear criteria on controversial situations)

A moderator (for Review of Photos) need be Multilingual to understand text appearing in the photos if it relates to the Advt issue so as to decide whether something is an advt or otherwise. Or, Photo reviewers need be regionalized for reasonable review

6.3 . Report an error about someone review of photos (on the forum moderators, or via the feedback form)

Very often the village name in Regional Languages appearing in signpost in Highways are mistaken to be Advertisements of   Corporates & rejected. If the site is claimed to be really Geographical then the  Reviewers should consider these as well as the direction signs / small legend intended for Tourist & travelers as Admissible. These guidelines ought to have incorcorated already in Panoramio Rules itself

8. People like the contests. Even without prizes. Community is prepared to organize themselves. Please think, maybe you can help in the organization of contests (optional).

As indicated contest can be  optional/sponsored so as to boost the interest & spirit of the community participating in the activities.
	It may however be borne in mind in a Geographical site photograph of a lonely Coffee Bar or a simple dormitory in a Hamlet amidst a  25 sq km deserted region on way to a tourist spot  is more of geographical importance than a 5 Star Hotel in a Great city. The former will have more views. So, every photo with proper title & mapping is important whether it is fit for a contest or pleasing or not!
	May be some grammatical or idiomatic error in my English too as I am a Non-English Speaking World Citizen - Google Translator works with the feedbacks & does not correct the grammar!

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:50:36 PM UTC+5:30, IPAAT wrote:

Hello everyone! As you know, Panoramio should be integrated into Views by Google Maps. Discuss this fact is meaningless, it will be. I think that we can help the new team to understand what features are important to users and why. These functions really want to see in the Views. I made a list. Please add if I forgot something.

1. The basic function

1.1. Loading photos (I think, there's no questions)

1.2. Deleting photos (also obviously)
1.3. Mapping of photos ( this is the main trump card of Panoramio-Views)

1.4. Unmapping of photos (not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)

1.5. Title of the photos ( I think there's no question )
1.6. Edit the title of the photos (obviously)
1.7. P

hotos tags (add, edit, delete, search ) (useful )

1.8. Photo albums ( not yet on Panoramio) ( it is convenient, users always wanted)
1.9. 

Editing a user settings (obviously)
1.10. Change sequence (list) of photos (something like "organise and reorder" in Picasaweb) (not yet on Panoramio, but users always wanted)

The team says about the new features and bug fixes ( this is wishes :-) )

9. I forgot something ?

[df3vi]

I don't want to spoil anything, but seeing the kind of "progress" that this site made with this team, and the same team developping views, how many of this wish list could we ever expect to be implemented?
Just name the feature that was implemented by them in the last year on users request (don't count repair tries like that group photo show button)...

Am Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2014 17:20:36 UTC+2 schrieb IPAAT:

[Steve Tandy]

Perhaps we should all start posting geo-positioned ice bucket challenges and wake-up selfies to show Google what they can expect in future.

[Draken]

Core features

–A reasonable, understandable photo URL (not a long string of numbers and letters) or manageable photo ID

–A reasonable, understandable user URL or a manageable user ID

–Marking favorite photographers and favorite photos

–Easy way to find favourite photos and photographers

–Tag search

–Album search 

–User search (by name or URL) 

–Making and receiving comments 

–An easy way of keeping track of the flow of comments 

–Creating albums

–Rearranging the order of the photos 

–A system of private messages

–The possibility of sending relocation suggestions

–A separate forum (not one subsumed in the Google Maps forum)

-Language forums (I read and understand five languages, but not everybody understands English)

– Additional information (description, caption) for the photos

 -Migration of the previous favourite photographers and photos

-Easy access to (your own!) full size picture 

[nik5511]

I want to write something for groups! 

It is true that many have become with every opportunity to create an unlimited number of groups!

 But I think there are quite successful groups! 

My proposal is to preserve, but be limited! Sample three Owned and membership to ten! 

Thanks 

[hvbemmel]

There is a limit in how many groups you can own (20 without looking )

What is a succesful group?

The groups idea was a great idea for many people. The team has worked on it for over a year, we tried it out and asked for more tools. Tools to manage photos and members. Ever tried to find one user between 1000? Ever tried to count how many photos a user uploaded (limits) ever tried to remove a particular photo? Easier upload never was accomplished. 

Many of us abandoned groups because it could not be managed and the team gave no response at all on our questions. 

Making something that isn´t finished, that isn´t easy to handle for everybody without an IT background and then say it doesn´t work because it isn´t used is becoming Googles modus operandi. 

As is the total silence when users are not happy. It will pass when you keep silent and put your head in the ground.  

[© Tom Cooper not going to Views]

Herman,

 

You seem to be getting more and more synical.  I would say it is sad, but I believe every bit of it is justified. :(

 

Draken is right, the "failures" of Panoramio are all self-fulfilling prophecies.  I was part of the group that beta-tested Groups, and I reported a number of issues.  I don't think a single one was adequately addressed.

 

Tom

[hvbemmel]

Tom, 

I normally saved my cynicism for the mods forum, as I had the idea that at least someone was listening to our concerns about the functioning of features. Since Adam left we can as well be cynical here. ;-)(

[siegmar // VIEWS ? No, thanks !]

IPAAT - thanks for your great summary.
I miss one very important detail - the clear coordinate, e.g. "49° 23' 7.53" N  10° 43' 34.61" E".

Let me explain my way of using Panoramio.
I like to explore the world - not only virtual than also in reality.

As I prepare an excursion I get into the PANO-Map and zoom it to the area, I'm going to visit.
Than I walk through the picture-thumbnails.
Everyone I like to see in reality, I get in and pick up the coordinate and transfer it to my GPS-device.

So I can get a wonderful impression of what I can expect to see on the journey.
During it I take pictures and -back at home- I check out, which places or objects are not presented in PANO.
I updload them. So everybody after me get an more completely impression of the area.

I love this way of exploring the world and I will really miss it!
with friendly regards
Siegmar
 
 

[MikeFromholt]

Steve, I was thinking more like we all take a selfie of our lower back side and geotagging it to google HQ

[Steve Tandy]

That might work Mike

[ranssom]

The petition reached almost 9700 signatures. It would  be most interesting, if  all these people sent that selfie you mentioned Mike :)

[Sixten Imgs Nothisviews]

I think there is already one very popular photo site for those photos... It is one of those sites people on this Forum have been ( surprisingly 8-) eagerly advertising as their new, fine photo home and recommended the site for their fellow photographers...

Here's my suggestion: When looking for a new photo site do not go to those galleries your Panoramio friends suggest for you ( = surprise, surprise: their own galleries... ) but look rather what kind of photos the other users of those photo sites have earlier published or some of them have been allowed to publish.... Now, that's what you could call a real surprise...

Namely, sooner or later those are the photos you may find around your own photos, on the same pages. And I would describe that the moment you will miss Panoramio quality and would rather want to see any cell phone photo of pizza slice near your own photos.

What has this got to do with the Panoramio heritage? This:

Google is voluntarily and accidentally (or on purpose? in order to lure more views?) losing one fine aspect of their photo services heritage when dumping Panoramio community (and its voluntary quality control and official reviewing system of photographs) : 

Usually In Panoramio you did not have to see photos of daddy in mom's clothes or mom in daddy's (Ok, ok, admitted, on the photo site I'm referring to usually those two people do not wear very much any clothes at all...)

[Aperturix]

Dear Sixten, if you are referring to 500px I must admit (without even blushing) that I like their high-class nude category much better than any given slice of pizza... ;-)
Like it or not, the average quality level on 500px is far above Panoramio. No surprise, when users often have posted only a few dozen photos, but all of them are high quality shots. Whereas in Panoramio, many users have uploaded several thousand photos, all of dubious quality. Or dozens of photos showing exactly the same thing. IMHO Panoramio is too often used as some kind of virtual hard drive.
Nevertheless I like Panoramio a lot, mainly because of the friendly community that I will really miss!

[Peter NO VIEWS]

Asuming that you are talking about 500px, I would like to mention that you don't have to look at nudity. The nudity filter works fine. If a user does not comply to the rules and gets reported several times, the user is banned. 500px takes this quite serious. The general 'quality' is some higher but I would argue that there is room for any level of photography. It is afterall the interest for photography that connects people. The 10 or so PA-refugees that have joined (and I discovered) the last 2 weeks fit in really fine. Nothing wrong to try out something new....

On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:48:46 PM UTC+2, Sixten Imgs Nothisviews wrote:

I think there is already one very popular photo site for those photos... It is one of those sites people on this Forum have been ( surprisingly 8-) eagerly advertising as their new, fine photo home and recommended the site for their fellow photographers...

Here's my suggestion: When looking for a new photo site do not go to those galleries your Panoramio friends suggest for you ( = surprise, surpise: their own galleries... ) but look rather what kind of photos the other users of those photo sites have earlier published or some of them have been allowed to publish.... Now, that's what you could call a real surprise...

Namely, sooner or later those are the photos you may find around your own photos, on the same pages. And I would describe that the moment you will miss Panoramio quality and would rather want to see any cell phone photo of pizza slice near your own photos.

What has this got to do with the Panoramio heritage? This:

Google is voluntarily and accidentally (or on purpose? in order to lure more views?) losing one fine aspect of their photo services heritage when dumping Panoramio community (and its voluntary quality control and official reviewing system of photographs) : 

Usually In Panoramio you did not have to see photos of daddy in mom's clothes or mom in daddy's (Ok, ok, admitted, on the photo site I'm referring to usually those two people do not wear very much any clothes at all...)

lauantai, 11. lokakuuta 2014 13.15.34 UTC+3 ranssom kirjoitti:

The petition reached almost 9700 signatures. It would  be most interesting, if  all these people sent that selfie you mentioned Mike :)

Τη Παρασκευή, 10 Οκτωβρίου 2014 11:37:51 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης MikeFromholt έγραψε:

[J. Braga]

It will be very useful search with more then one Tag. Like "France and 2013" or "Beach and Portugal and 2010".

[Tomros - undecided now]

The nudity at 500px is refreshing change from the puritan Panoramio. (I say that, even none of my 'nude photos' have ever been reported or deleted. )

Photography is photography. Even a pizza slice image or selfie of our lower back side will attain art status, if you get the right person to shoot it.

Andy Warhol comes to mind.

And of course people would guide you to their galleries. Once you are there, you are free to wander and discover. 

The galleries on other web sites are not guided by the same rules and it will free you to upload fresh images, seen only in few Pano galleries. Lets be honest. Many galleries on Panoramio are a bit boring, containing postcard quality images. (my included)   I am sure that images I will upload on 500px will eventually be different, than the ones on my Panoramio.

One of the best photographers on Panoramio (Oliviero M.) is actually much better fit for the 500px site.

Panoramio rules are a good, sensible guide, but subtly forces  people select to upload less exciting photos, that they would actually choose to upload, if the G.E. rules did not apply. 

My photos on 500PX are still influenced by Pano, but it will gradually change, and I will feel more free to upload more variety.

I say that regardless the outcome of the petition which will reach 10,000 signatures today. 

1006 now, 4994 to go???

On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:48:46 AM UTC-4, Sixten Imgs Nothisviews wrote:

I think there is already one very popular photo site for those photos... It is one of those sites people on this Forum have been ( surprisingly 8-) eagerly advertising as their new, fine photo home and recommended the site for their fellow photographers...

Here's my suggestion: When looking for a new photo site do not go to those galleries your Panoramio friends suggest for you ( = surprise, surprise: their own galleries... ) but look rather what kind of photos the other users of those photo sites have earlier published or some of them have been allowed to publish.... Now, that's what you could call a real surprise...

[Maurice Aho]

Many old pictures of my dog showing up . Should I Change subject matter?

[Roberto Lo Savio]

The mission of Panoramio, as the name suggests, is "Share and explore the world in photos".

When I visit this site and move around the user galleries I am expecting to see exactly pictures of landscapes and natural scenarios.

I agree with you, photography is photography and the web is full of sites about photography, in its general meaning; but Panoramio is photography to explore the world.

If I want to share different kinds of photography (artistic pictures rather than documentaristic pictures), I use different websites.

I would like that Panoramio (and Views in the future) will remain a virtual space that I can use to explore the world.

Actually I am afraid that Views will become a website where you can explore the world's shops. 

[Nicola Manini]

A fundamental Panoramio feature is the accessibility to the original file.
I would never L or FAV a picture before watching the original jpg, in its full detail & glory.

This feature is not exeedingly easy to spot in Panoramio, but I couldn't find it in GV at all.
Maybe it's there and I'm too dumb to find it: then forget this comment of mine.

Otherwise, if it's missing as I suspect, I consider this (together with the exif & tag data) a decisive request: without it, if/when Panoramio closes I'll withdraw all my pictures: no migration to GV.

Ciao,
Nick

[Draken]

Nicola 

I strongly recommend your reading the following thread https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=es-419#!topic/panoramio-questions-support/_KiOYyAH44Y  since it seems you are not aware of what it is going on around here.

In brief, as a much appreciated forum regular put it "Panoramio has been given a death sentence. No one knows when the sentence will be carried out. Google chooses to ignore its users. Only volunteer forum moderators remain active.  They have no control outside of these forums". 

[Houckster]

What I don't like about Views is that photos are placed in what seems random locations unlike Panoramio where I know exactly where each picture is because there's a set number of pictures per page and photos were added chronologically.  I hope we'll see some changes on this issue.

[Draken]

Views doesn't even have a forum and for more than six months they haven't either listened to what experienced Panoramio users have expressed or introduced any improvements. Why would they do it now? Do you know who are the Views Team members or how to contact them?

[Pierre M.]

But now there's : http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/australian-team-builds-google-maps-for-the-body-20150330-1mawnm.html

Pierre

[Phil Houck]

I just put that post in the hope that someone's listening but Google's just like Yahoo: "We do what we want and you can like it or lump it."  Just recently my Flickr account got corrupted and I reported the problem and what did they do?  Nothing is what they did so I'm through with them.  Too bad there isn't a site that really cares about letting us show our pictures.

I've put a few pictures into Views but I'm not real enthusiastic about them.  I may stop posting my stuff altogether.

As to the View team, they are as anonymous and unreachable as the Flickr team.  I'm hoping that someone treats them as disgracefully as they have treated us.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Pierre M. via Panoramio Help Forum (Support & feedback) <panoramio-questions-support+APn2...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

But now there's : http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/australian-team-builds-google-maps-for-the-body-20150330-1mawnm.html

Pierre

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[Wim Constant]

Have you tried 500px yet? ( https://500px.com/flow )

I like Panoramio better, but 500px isn't bad too.

They (still) have a team, that listens to you.

Op maandag 13 april 2015 18:55:47 UTC+2 schreef Houckster:

I just put that post in the hope that someone's listening but Google's just like Yahoo: "We do what we want and you can like it or lump it."  Just recently my Flickr account got corrupted and I reported the problem and what did they do?  Nothing is what they did so I'm through with them.  Too bad there isn't a site that really cares about letting us show our pictures.

I've put a few pictures into Views but I'm not real enthusiastic about them.  I may stop posting my stuff altogether.

As to the View team, they are as anonymous and unreachable as the Flickr team.  I'm hoping that someone treats them as disgracefully as they have treated us.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Pierre M. via Panoramio Help Forum (Support & feedback) <panoramio-questions-support+APn2wQfSR-HD334MZG2Ymw5z_oqtcu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

But now there's : http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/australian-team-builds-google-maps-for-the-body-20150330-1mawnm.html

Pierre

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[Geosergio]

Hello,

are there any news about the future of Panoramio? Will Google Views replace Panoramio?

Can anyone tell me why Panoramio is not selecting anymore photos for Google Earth?

Thank you for your help and best regards.

Sergio (Geo S)

[HikingMike, hikingmike.com]

I just went through this for the first time. I've admittedly seen it before but didn't try going through the list until now. Fantastic post IPAAT! I agree about the stats - that is a real incentive for people to post images, or just to come back and visit. It's really interesting to see the stats. I'm glad to see everything in here that I was concerned about also. The suggestion about the wrong position in particular is very important, both to users and to Google if they want to have a fairly accurate photographic tour.

Oh by the way, I consider the link with Google Maps and Google Earth to be a huge part of the reason I love Panoramio. 500px is irrelevant in this regard. It may be a nice site for photos, but the geo-location focus is why I came to Panoramio in the first place. Terrain view and Satellite view are crucial for that as well. Flying around in Google Earth to remote places is a lot of fun and I really appreciated the ability to see, and to post my own representative photos of some of the places I've been to. It's definitely great for hiking/backpacking! I can explore possible hiking routes, elevation change, vegetation, and see photos at the same time. Really, hiking and backpacking might be the perfect usage for the Google Maps/Earth/Panoramio combination.

[plumgarden]

Anyway, Panoramio will be closed soon.

[hvbemmel]

Are you working for Google? Apparently you have more info as we have, please share it with the group!

[Geosergio]

How and where did you get those information?

Could you let us know all the news you have about the future of Panoramio?
This morning I tried to upload some pictures but it didn't work!

[®mene]

...no need to worry - upload still works fine here. Things are as usual and GE-checkings seems to work again.

cheers :)

[plumgarden]

I am not the Google person.

The issue is that the view counts of Panoramio are dramatically decreasing recently.

Also Google may not like the copyright option of Panoramio.

At business point, the value of Panoramio is negative.

I am Paronomio mania, as seen the number of my photos, and very sad to say this. 

[Wim Constant]

Well then, let's just wait and see. There is nothing we can do, so why bother?
As long as it works, it works!

The end of the world is also predicted many times, but we're still here.

Op maandag 27 april 2015 14:13:17 UTC+2 schreef plumgarden:

[UnagiUnagi]

Hi,

I have started using Views as a replacement of Panoramio.

I think that six issues are missing in the list.

What I noticed is that 

1. It is hard to go back and forth between all photographers' photos and our own ones within the same region.

2. Some but not all photos are positioned with dots in the Views map and we need to scroll down a lot.

3. The identical photos posted in Google Views and Community are shown separately and have the different view counts.

4. The photo order is not dependent on photos' upload dates but their time stamps.

5. The user friendly interface is missing. For example,

5a, "Add a location" does not lead the direct input of "Photo taken in" and we need additional clicks.

5b. Many clicks are required to correct the exact photo position or "Photo taken in".

5c. The scroll bar is too thin to operate by mouse.

6. There are no link between Views and Google+ Photos.

Panoramio was better to handle the similar functions.

I hope that the Google Views team would improve these issues to incorporate Panoramio's features.

U. Unagi

[Geosergio]

Will the passage from Panoramio to Vista be automatic?

Should we download and upload again all the old pictures on Vista?

Thank you for all your helps and best regards!

Il giorno martedì 7 ottobre 2014 17:20:36 UTC+2, IPAAT ha scritto:

[plumgarden]

Google View looks not successful either.

That the reason of migration delay, I guess.

[plumgarden]

I have some innovative idea for these, and Google need to hire me. :-)

[Wim Constant]

Well, that's simple: You can always apply for a job at  Google! 

Op vrijdag 1 mei 2015 21:33:43 UTC+2 schreef plumgarden: