FW: [SCHOLCOMM] OA values statement...
Glenn Hampson
The following conversation on the scholcomm list might be of interest to some of you. I’m keeping our conversation on this (if any) separate from theirs since the last time I cc'd the scholcomm list I got in big trouble 😊
From: Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:28 PM
To: 'SANFORD G THATCHER' <sg...@psu.edu>; 'scho...@lists.ala.org' <scho...@lists.ala.org>
Subject: RE: [SCHOLCOMM] OA values statement...
Hi Sandy,
Indeed, these tensions and uncertainties aren't limited to HSS. There is also a tension in science research to squeeze the most value from work via commercialization (which can return significant profits to researchers and universities), and this mandate can be seen as conflicting with the mandate to share (see this article for a good overview: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3392762/). This isn't necessarily an irreconcilable conflict, nor is it the only one scientists face. This point is a bit tangential to the original topic---sorry---but it bears repeating that in science, as in HSS, there are also “ownership-related” concerns about research.
Best,
Glenn
Glenn Hampson
Executive Director
Science Communication Institute (SCI)
Program Director
Open Scholarship Initiative (OSI)
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From: scholcom...@lists.ala.org <scholcom...@lists.ala.org> On Behalf Of SANFORD G THATCHER
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:34 PM
To: scho...@lists.ala.org
Subject: Re: [SCHOLCOMM] OA values statement...
While Jean-Claude is of course right that most monographs make little, if any, money for their authors, there are plenty of exceptions one can cite. Among revised dissertations, I can think of several that went on to sales well in excess of 30,000 copies, such as Peter Evans's Dependent Development and Susan Moller Okin's Women in Western Political Thought, which i had the privilege of handling at Princeton University Press. And among scholarly works by more senior facukty, one need only cite John Rawls's Theory of Justice and Richard Rorty's Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature (the latter of which I handled
also) to show that some academic books can sell well in excess of 100,000 copies. All these authors made substantial amounts of income from sales of tjheir books, which they would have to sacrifice in an OA publishing environment.
Also, I would argue that another major difference between STEM journal publishing and HHS monograph publishing is that issues of translation arise for the latter in a far more important way than they do for the former, since much of STEM writing is done in the universal language of mathematics. Some followers of the BOAI model have insisted that the only "true" OA is that licensed under a CC BY agreement, whereas those of us concerned about HSS publishing think that CC BY-ND-NC is a more appropriate license for those fields.
Sandy Thatcher
>On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Jean-Claude Guédon <
>jean.clau...@umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
>> I would completely agree with Patricia Hswe: an extension of BOAI to
>> monographs is completely logical. The only reason why monographs did
>> not explicitly appear in BOAI was because some people present at the
>> Budapest meeting (which I attended) thought that monographs presented
>> a different situation because of royalties to authors. We all know
>> what royalties mean for most scholarly monographs - a symbolic
>> pittance - and it would be very easy to tell authors that OA for monographs means no royalties for authors.
>> At the same time, the digital context is making it much easier to
>> publish pieces that are too log for articles, and too short for
>> monographs, thus blurring the line between the two categories.
>>
>> For interesting collections of OA monographs, see:
>>
>> http://www.oapen.org/home (Europe)
>>
>> https://www.clacso.org.ar/libreria-latinoamericana/inicio.php (Latin
>> America)
>>
>> https://books.openedition.org/ (France and beyond). This one uses a
>> "freemium" business model.
>>
>> http://books.scielo.org/en/ (Brazil and beyond)
>>
>> etc. etc.
>>
>> Jean-Claude Guédon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mardi 07 août 2018 à 23:07 +0000, Patricia Hswe a écrit :
>>
>> It seems one could extend the Budapest OA Initiative to address
>> monographs as well, though, through its emphases on "public good" and
>> "literature" and by framing it as a *precedent* for how to think
>> about OA and scholarly literature in other domains, such as the humanities, for example.
>>
>> --Patricia
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Patricia Hswe
>>
>> Program Officer | Scholarly Communications
>>
>> The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation
>>
>> Email: p...@mellon.org | Phone: 212-500-2521
>>
>> *She/her/hers and my name* |
ORget_file.cgi?dir=attach&fname="scholcom...@lists.ala.org on behalf of
>> SANFORD G THATCHER" <scholcom...@lists.ala.org on behalf of
>> sg...@psu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> *** External E-mail ***
>>
>>
>>
>> Except that this statement explicitly limits itself to journal
>> publishing and
>>
>> is silent about book publishing, hence not satisfactory for
>> collection
>>
>> development that encompasses both.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sandy Thatcher
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 04:44 PM Heather Morrison <
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >The best OA values statement, in my opinion, is the first
>> paragraph of the
>>
>> original Budapest Open Access Initiative:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >"An old tradition and a new technology have converged to make
>> possible an
>>
>> unprecedented public good. The old tradition is the willingness
>> of scientists
>>
>> and scholars to publish the fruits of their research in scholarly
>> journals
>>
>> without payment, for the sake of inquiry and knowledge. The new
>> technology is
>>
>> the internet. The public good they make possible is the
>> world-wide electronic
>>
>> distribution of the peer-reviewed journal literature and
>> completely free and
>>
>> unrestricted access to it by all scientists, scholars, teachers,
>> students, and
>>
>> other curious minds. Removing access barriers to this literature
>> will
>>
>> accelerate research, enrich education, share the learning of the
>> rich with the
>>
>> poor and the poor with the rich, make this literature as useful
>> as it can be,
>>
>> and lay the foundation for uniting humanity in a common
>> intellectual
>>
>> conversation and quest for knowledge".
>>
>> >
>>
>> >from:
>>
>> >http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Every organization will need to develop its own values and
>> strategies, but I
>>
>> think this vision can serve as guidance for everyone, everywhere.
>> A strategy
>>
>> that helps everyone achieve this vision is better than one that
>> doesn't.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >For example, many libraries are now providing journal hosting,
>> helping their
>>
>> faculty to develop or re-develop scholar-led publishing. Using
>> open source
>>
>> software like OJS, this strategy is within the reach of everyone,
>> everywhere.
>>
>> Scholars and libraries in poor countries can take advantage of
>> lower
>>
>> infrastructure costs and wages. The same is true of institutional
>> repositories,
>>
>> and sooner or later these are a necessity for every institution
>> with students
>>
>> that write theses (whether a separate or collaborative repository
>> solution).
>>
>> >
>>
>> >BioMedCentral achieves global access quickly, but even with
>> waivers for
>>
>> developing countries, some authors will be left out due to
>> inability to pay
>>
>> APCs. BMC gets us much closer to the vision than subscriptions,
>> though, so it
>>
>> makes sense to cancel subscriptions in order to support BMC APCs
>> or to look for
>>
>> Springer / Nature / BMC combined subscriptions / APCs in the
>> short term, as
>>
>> opposed to simply paying for subscriptions.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >best,
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Heather Morrison
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Associate Professor, School of Information Studies, University
>> of Ottawa
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Professeur Agrégé, École des Sciences de l'Information,
>> Université d'Ottawa
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/?lang=en#/members/706
>>
>> >
>>
>> >________________________________
>>
>> >From: scholcom...@lists.ala.org <scholcom...@lists.ala.
>> org> on
>>
>> behalf of Hollister, Christopher <cv...@buffalo.edu>
>>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 4:00:23 PM
>>
>> >To: scho...@lists.ala.org
>>
>> >Subject: [SCHOLCOMM] OA values statement...
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Dear colleagues…
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >The University at Buffalo Libraries are preparing to draft an
>> open access
>>
>> “values statement” that will be used internally to inform their
>> collection
>>
>> development policies. I find no shortage of academic library web
>> pages defining
>>
>> open access, explaining its importance and potential impact, or
>> detailing a
>>
>> variety of initiatives. Some of those pages are tangentially helpful.
>> However,
>>
>> we are looking to develop a statement that might, for instance,
>> help us to
>>
>> decide whether continuing a membership with BioMed Central aligns
>> with our open
>>
>> access values.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >If anyone has access to this type of value statement, I would be
>> very grateful
>>
>> to see it. Thanks in advance, and cheers to all…
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Chris
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >--
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Christopher Hollister
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Interim Head of Scholarly Communication
>>
>> >
>>
>> >324 Lockwood Memorial Library
>>
>> >
>>
>> >University at Buffalo
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Buffalo, NY 14260
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Phone: (716) 645-1323
>>
>> >
>>
>> >E-Mail: cv...@buffalo.edu<mailto:cv...@buffalo.edu>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >--------------------
>>
>> >
>>
>> >For the sake of our songbirds,
>>
>> >
>>
>> >please choose coffee that comes
>>
>> >
>>
>> >from shade grown coffee plantations.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sanford G. Thatcher
>>
>> Frisco, TX 75034
>>
>> https://scholarsphere.psu.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> "If a book is worth reading, it is worth buying."-John Ruskin
>> (1865)
>>
>>
>>
>> "The reason why so few good books are written is that so few
>> people
>>
>> who can write know anything."-Walter Bagehot (1853)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Logic, n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance
>>
>> with the limitations and incapacities of the human
>>
>> misunderstanding."-Ambrose Bierce (1906)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Sanford G. Thatcher
Frisco, TX 75034
"If a book is worth reading, it is worth buying."-John Ruskin (1865)
"The reason why so few good books are written is that so few people who can write know anything."-Walter Bagehot (1853)
"Logic, n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding."-Ambrose Bierce (1906)