Hi Simon
I was in the same situation as you, and then wrote software that assisted a bit. It is integrated into bibledit-web. The software also describes how to get the Bible into Indesign.
Teus
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Teus, could you please point me to the GFDLed Scripture material you're refering? A link to a website or something like it?
Thanks for those links! This two projects are obviously new translations in modern language, which will initially be made public under a free license, here GFDL. This is indeed the ideal case - however, in German language there is not one single modern language translation that is available under a free license (while there exists a project to create one), which limits our project "Freie Bibel" to old translations in outdated language (I can live with that, young believers probably not for the first time). Besides the legal considerations, the technical side is important, too. The two projects you linked seem to solve this well, while OpenDocument seems to be the main format for printing (is it?). Are those documents created automatically, and when yes: how? Our effort is to develop freely licensed tools that generate automatically from one source various bible typesettings, so that those can be used instantly or are alternatively open to manual adjustment to reach a professinal result. Those two projects could for instance use our tools to create EPUB2/EPUB3 (for E-Readers - may not be that important in Africa), while we would be unable to use anything they "freely" produced from the point on, where InDesign (or other proprietary, restrictive programs) is integrated into the toolchain. If free software is used, anyone is enabled to develop individual customizations in order to meet the actual needs, while hopefully the license policy and technical decisions of the people envolved would allow all other people too to benefit from their works. Think of a project that wants to create a study bible (or whatever) in Ndebele based on the translation mentioned, where the participants would be willing to do all the work on their own, but would be required to use InDesign somewhere in the process, because no other solution for preparing a print edition would be given to them, and the effort of doing all manually within LibreOffice just wouldn't be affordable. So far some random thoughts about the need of a freely licensed Bible typesetting toolchain.
As you mentioned the book offer on Amazon, one may ask if the seller does comply with the GFDL in terms of ensuring access to the books "source code" - checking this would be either the job of the authors or of a recipient.
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Am I right in understanding that I can roundtrip usfm -> usfx -> usfm without losing anything?
If that is so then maybe I can retarget my code to also use usfx as a hub format. Currently I take usfm and parse it into an internal memory structure, and render that into html etc.
Is HaggaiXML -> USFX and OSIS -> USFX possible?
I suggest that the first step is to set up a site listing all of the available tools, platforms and licences.
What I know about:
Open English Bible's USFM-Tools
Kahunapule Michael Johnson's Haiola
Freie Bibel's Tools
@Kahunapule:
If you use the LGPL instead of the GPL to be able to link to a converter for a proprietary format, the question is, if the proprietary format is your input format or output format. If it is your input format, you should rather develop a standalone program that transforms the proprietary format into an openly documented format, which can be, if it is unavoidable, LGPLed, while your toolchain could be GPLed/AGPLed. The LGPL for your toolchain is harmful, because it encourages (or is beneficial for) the use of proprietary formats and software, which is the initial problem we want to solve: to have free bible texts and tools to work with it. Further, C# aims for a proprietary operating system and programming environment, which excludes a set of people from using it for no other reason than an artificial one, that is: to protect a monopoly. We're not in favour of any monopolies and their harmful practices at the expense of the society, especially in the field of bible materials and inclusive all the different ways needed to recieve and to work with them. However, maybe a port to an other free programming environment is possible, or at least the use of the lower stack that handles TeX/HTML. I do understand that you may have had historical reasons to build upon the proprietary programming environment and to work with a proprietary bible format. I believe that we can do better in the future.
If you're going to implement EPUB2/EPUB3 as target format, you could either use our hag2epub tools or at least look at them to find out how such transformation could be implemented. Indeed it is very simple to implement.
Do you know of an USFX repository of bible texts?
Do you know of an OSIS repository of bible texts?
For Haggai XML, there are essentially no modules yet available, because just we in our project use it. It is still very similar to Zefania XML (so conversions in both ways easily possible), for which a repository of bible texts exists (unfortunately, it is inactive/not maintained).
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Hi!This question may be outside the general scope of this forum but I figured I'll give it a try.I know that UBS has a plugin for InDesign that helps in creating a print-ready insert of the Bible, but I have been denied access to this software by the local Bible Society. I now face the challenge of writing these scripts myself or finding out if there are similar scripts available someplace else (either as open-source or for a low cost), or possibly some other solution?My main issue with InDesign is that it only handles one stream of footnotes, I'll need two (notes and cross-references). InDesign also can't span columns with footnotes, so if I'll want the main text in two columns but footnotes in just one, there's no-way to do that. Basically I'll need some plugin that offers an entirely new footnote system. See image for clarification.Any suggestion would be helpful. How do InDesign users without access to UBS's software solve issues like these?
Peter.
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