Station groupings data (for image capable printers)

[Rob Green]

Hi folks,

The RJIS data that ATOC provides includes the helpful .LOC file that details all locations including station groupings - but only does so with the older names from the non-image capable printers.

The NR reference (dailies) also has locations with longer human readable names (for the image capable printers) - but doesn't include station groupings.

Does anyone know where you can get station groupings data with the human readable names?

Example: Manchester Stations / MANCHESTER STNS

Thanks,

Rob.

[Rail Delivery Group]

I don't believe that data is currently within an open data set, although it is in a data set which is on the open data roadmap. However, as that's not coming in the near future, and as fare groups rarely change, you may want to use the below snapshot from industry data...

Nlc	Name
0254	COLCHESTER STNS	Colchester/Colchester Town
0258	CATFORD STATIONS	Catford or Catford Bridge
0259	EDENBRIDGE STNS	Edenbridge/Edenbridge Town
0260	FARNBOROUGH STNS	Farnborough Main or North
0262	PENGE STATIONS	Penge East or West
0263	ENFIELD CHSE/TWN	Enfield Chase or Town
0265	W HAMPSTEAD STNS	West Hampstead Stations
0268	PONTEFRACT STNS	Pontefract Baghill/Monkhll
0271	THORNE STATIONS	Thorne North or South
0403	READING STATIONS	Reading or Reading West
0404	HELENSBURGH STNS	Helensburgh Central/Upper
0410	BEDFORD STATIONS	Bedford / Bedford St Johns
0411	SOUTHEND STNS	Southend Central/Victoria
0413	HERTFORD STNS	Hertford East or North
0415	GAINSBOROUGH	Gainsborough Ctrl/Lea Rd
0416	DORKING STATIONS	Dorking Stations
0418	BIRMINGHAM STNS	Birmingham Stations
0424	BRADFORD YK STNS	Bradford (Yorks) Stations
0428	CANTERBURY STNS	Canterbury East or West
0429	DORCHESTER STNS	Dorchester South or West
0431	FALKIRK STATIONS	Falkirk Grahamston or High
0432	FOLKESTONE STNS	Folkestone Central or West
0433	GLASGOW CEN/QST	Glasgow Central / Queen St
0435	LIVERPOOL STNS	Liverpool Stations
0437	MAIDSTONE STNS	Maidstone Stations
0438	MANCHESTER STNS	Manchester Stations
0440	PORTSMOUTH STNS	Portsmouth & S or Harbour
0441	NEWARK STATIONS	Newark Castle or Northgate
0443	TYNDRUM STATIONS	Tyndrum Lower or Upper
0444	WAKEFIELD STNS	Wakefield Westgate/Kirkgte
0445	WARRINGTON STNS	Warrington Cntl/Bank Quay
0446	WIGAN STATIONS	Wigan North West/Wallgate
0447	WORCESTER STNS	Worcester Shrub H/Foregate
0449	CROYDON STATIONS	East or West Croydon
1072	LONDON TERMINALS	London Terminals
1780	BOOTLE STATIONS	Bootle New Strand/Oriel Rd
3081	HEATHROW RAIL	Heathrow Rail
5564	HEATHROW BUS	Heathrow Bus
7468	TILBURY STATIONS	Tilbury Town or Riverside
7934	BICESTER NTH/VIL	Bicester North or Village
8384	CAMBRIDGE STNS	Cambridge or Cambridge North

[Thomas Wood]

I've just added this data to the wiki: https://wiki.openraildata.com/index.php/ATOC_Station_Group_Names

[Thomas Wood]

I've also just noted a potential typo: is the Pontefract Monkhll entry missing an i?

[petermount]

That looks more like the long name field length is 27 hence missing it's the extra l

[Thomas Wood]

"Cambridge or Cambridge North" is 29 characters long.

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[Rob Green]

Thanks RDG - much appreciated.

Out of curiousity I notice the term 'industry data' being used a lot here - is that used to describe data that is not accessible / licensed for third parties?

I ask because my preference is to automate as much data import from the source as possible (our platform has a process that helps the user digitise content from their ticket, so having accurate info is important).

That's relatively easy with National Rail reference data, less so with the ATOC RJIS data, and this is obviously pretty manual!

R

[Rail Delivery Group]

@Rob - yes, I'm using the phrase here to identify data which is mandated for use within the rail industry. In this case there is a set of reference data which is provided to TIS by a system called IDMS and, for any familiar with the RDG TIS accreditation process and ASSIST, is captured in RDG standard RSPS5044.

This data is not currently available via an open channel. It is on the radar to be added in but for reasons I unfortunately can't control it is not going to be added to the open set in the near future, although I hope that will change at some point.

@Thomas/@Peter. I just copied the data as-is so I don't know if that spelling is deliberate or an error. I'll pass on to the relevant person in RDG to advise.

[Rob Green]

Thanks @RDG - Appreciate these things can often take time, at least I've got some manual data to import for now.

R

[Rail Delivery Group]

Colleagues confirm the missing 'i' in Pontefract Monkhill was an error - I've updatd the wiki page you created accordingly.