Fifth International Conference SCIENCE AND SCIENTIST — 2017
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Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute, Bangalore in collaboration with the Nepal Academy for Science and Technology (NAST), Nepal Academy, Central Department of Biotechnology, Tribhuvan University, and Kathmandu University are organizing the ‘Fifth International Conference ‘Science and Scientist - 2017’ during August 17 – 18, 2017 at Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kamaladi – Kathmandu, Nepal. This conference will be organized under the chairmanship of Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. (Serving Director, Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science, Princeton, NJ, USA). Conference details can be found at: www.scsiscs.org/conference/scienceandscientist/2017
Conference Registration details
The registration details have been given at the conference webpage:
http://scsiscs.org/conference/index.php/scienceandscientist/2017/schedConf/registration
The last date for early registration is July 10, 2017.
Accommodation
Kathmandu is well connected by air. Buses are also available from Delhi, Varanasi, Raxaul, Siliguri, Sunauli (Bhairava), Nepalgunj (near Lucknow). Kathmandu climatic condition during August: Temperature 18 - 28 0C. Accommodation facility will be arranged for all registered delegates arriving from outside Kathmandu valley. Indian delegates do not need VISA. However, they have to carry authentic identity proof.
Technical Paper Submission and Proceedings of Science and Scientist – 2017
The organizers invite submission of articles within 5000 words and after a review process the author of selected articles will be intimated for presentation (for those international delegates who cannot come physically to the conference venue an online presentation facility is also arranged) in the conference. All accepted papers will be published in the proceedings of Science and Scientist – 2017. The last date for article submission is 2nd July, 2017.
Please submit your article online at the submissions link given in the conference webpage.
http://scsiscs.org/conference/index.php/scienceandscientist/2017/schedConf/cfp
Conference Theme
The conference will feature leading scientists from Nepal, India and Western countries, who will deliberate on various topics which will be valuable for developing a better understanding of the “hard” problems of science such as the nature and origin of life and the cosmos, the mind-brain connection, artificial intelligence and cognitive biology which is confirming some of the important concepts of life from the Vedantic perspective. The main theme of the conference is “Working Together Toward a Spiritual Science of the Conscious Self”.
Darwinism, or the original theory of evolution proposed by Darwin 150 years ago in his Origin of Species, in which he introduced the idea of natural selection, was laid to rest about a half century ago when it was succeeded by the neo-Darwinian theory involving genetic mutation and natural selection, also known as the modern synthesis. Since then an endless stream of textbooks, courses, media presentations and “genetic toolkits” have been used to indoctrinate students and the public with these ideas causing many to give up their religious conviction in God or the soul as integral to their understanding of life. However, with the advancement of science, especially in the field of biology, more detailed knowledge of the genes and genome have revealed a far more complex dynamic relation between the genome and phoneme and its environment than can be explained by appeal to simple genetic mechanisms. Therefore, French biologist Dr. Didier Raoult concluded:
“Genetic research, in particular, must be free to find new models to explain, and enhance, twenty-first-century scientific discovery. Today, Darwin’s theory of evolution is more a hindrance than a help, because it has become a quasi-theological creed that is preventing the benefits of improved research from being fully realized.”
Descartes laid the philosophical groundwork for the modern scientific period by separating subjective cognition from objective bodies, thereby also dividing epistemology from ontology reducing knowing to indifferent “observation.” This is the perspective of consciousness and its object, of which material science only imperfectly studies the object. In reality these two are not separated but dialectically related and sublated in the higher comprehending original unity of self-consciousness. Physical scientists fail to study these higher categories of reality and are therefore left with an incomplete understanding of a mere superficial nature that is inadequate to comprehend the core truth. But scientific, rational inquiry will not stop until a comprehensive idea is reached that is coherent with the full range of our knowledge of life. That spectrum of knowledge is not circumscribed merely by chemistry, physics and mathematics. Thus Vedānta-sūtra advises, that you will have to continue your search, athāto brahma jijñāsā, until you reach brahma, the underlying spiritual source, janmādy asya yatah, the fountainhead where all inquiry will reach its purpose. Then beyond knowledge Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam will guide us to the ultimate search – raso vai saḥ, the search for our highest fulfillment, sweetness and love.
Modern science, or inquiry into the unknown, had its beginnings in the Christian West because of a faith that Reason or rational principles could be found in God’s creation. It is the task of Science and Scientist – 2017 to understand why modern science today has turned away from and failed to comprehend this Reason in the world, that is similar to the nous that Anaxagoras conceived as ruling the world. Eclipses of the Sun were once predicted using the geocentric epicycles of Ptolemy. They are now described in terms of the heliocentric orbits of Copernicus. Some ancients knew that they could chase away the Moon dog from eating the Sun god whenever they would beat their gongs. Each of these examples have something correct or confirming about them even though they imagine different realities corresponding to them. Newton’s conception of the solar system included God as necessary to guide the alchemical vitality that was intrinsic to the order and movement in the universe. The mathematical bones of Newton’s Principia were abstracted by modern physics and converted into a mechanical model of the universe. The apparently same corresponding observations were used to validate both theories although they referred to very different imagined realities. A map corresponds to an actual terrain and can help one navigate one’s way through the real terrain depending on its accuracy. However, the map can never be considered a substitute for the actual terrain since a two dimensional visual map can never represent the lived actuality that is experienced in a real terrain. A reflection of reality in a mirror may accurately depict the objects being reflected, but one who makes a journey “through the looking glass” will not discover the real world but a wonderland of mere exaggerated imaginations like Lewis Carroll’s Alice did. Atomic Theory and Quantum Theory provide imagined wonderlands that possess some observations or correspondence with true reality. To some degree each is logical, self-consistent and complete, although Gödel would object to either being at the same time consistent and complete.
If we carefully consider what science is doing here, we discover that anthropocentric or egocentric conceptions of reality – reality as it is “for us” or for me – are being erected in place of true reality as it is “by itself and for itself.” In other words, a subjective conception/theory that is “for us” is being erected as a reality “in and for itself” yet is actually opposed to objective reality as it is in and for itself. It seeks and has some correspondence with true reality and if the subjective conception corresponds with the objective reality the truth is considered to have been reached. This is called the correspondence theory of truth. However, there are problems with this as we noted above, in that different theories may have some correspondence with objective observations and yet still refer to different imagined realities. The real problem arises when these different Idols of the Mind [Man-made images/ideas/conceptions that are for us in our subjectivity] are presumed to be outwardly objective and venerated as the True Reality [Reality “as it is” or “by itself and for itself”]. Explanations consist of descriptions in terms of the chosen theories assumed as real, even though they are abstractions from the true reality. Because they are abstractions, they never comprehend the concrete reality they merely represent.
Generally the struggle of Science is an outcome of the thinking which never considered the possibility that the logic of reality could actually be contradictory by nature. However in Quantum Physics, it is experimentally observed that subatomic particles display both wave and particle behavior. This implies a contradictory feature is contained in the same object. Similarly in biology, the idea of the integration or unity of consciousness is essential if one wants to comprehend what the true idea of consciousness represents. Science has learned that it cannot ignore the role of the conscious scientist in its exploration of reality even though the realization is still in a very primitive stage as might be expected for any beginner.
The Sri Isopanishad explains that the Complete Whole can produce complete wholes from itself without losing its completeness. Absolute has no restriction as to how many wholes it can produce out of itself. The only restriction comes from the finite awareness and thinking of a finite intellect that tries to determine what the Absolute can or cannot do. The Absolute must always be the result of pure reason based on logic and evidence of an unbiased nature that is not influenced by one-sided beliefs and prejudices.
‘Science and Scientist – 2017’ aims at highlighting the fact that modern scientific research and development seem to be leading to a detente between science and the more spiritual ideas of soul and God as found in all world religions. The progress of science continues to leave behind old and outworn ideas and embrace more comprehensive ones that may more adequately express life and its origin. The Spiritual concepts can help modern science to explore the reality of a spiritual conscious self as the foundation of life and all the questions of origin of life and evolution should be viewed from a more spiritual concept. To judge good and bad by our self-centered perspectives will not bring us closer to Truth but entangle us further in the misconception of separate interest. Withdrawing from reality to be with one’s subjective thought alone, is a detachment from the substantial content of True Reality and becomes a conceit or superiority to it. This type of freedom from the content must be given up, and instead of arbitrarily directing the content of one’s own thought one’s freedom should be sunk into and pervade the content of reality, letting thought be directed and controlled by Reality’s own proper nature of which our essential selves are but a part and manifestation. We do not lose anything thereby except our false sense of self [false ego], but rather gain our true identity and real freedom. Free agency does not reside in us as separated from reality, but within true reality itself in which we participate. The comparative studies of different ideas are essential and it will educate and enlighten Science like never before. Religion teaches all to surrender to God, the Supreme Reality, from Whom reason and wisdom originate. Wisdom is not a property of the universe, although we find life and intelligence in Nature. It is a quality of a Person, the Divine Personality of Godhead. Just as consciousness and intelligence pervade our body’s activities, so God’s Personal energy pervades and forms the whole Reality with life and intelligence. Not only does religion teach surrender of our false egos to the true Reality of God, but also teaches us how to learn by attending to revelation of the truth in order to know it, rather than encouraging the tendency impose and project one’s self imaginings onto reality, taking oneself as a separate subjective agent against a passive objectivity that lacks its own agency and ability to reveal itself. Reality as possessing personal agency can reveal Godself to us if we adopt the attentive patience that allows the veils of self-centered egotism to dissolve by practice of meditation, surrender and service. Reality is by itself and for itself, means that the Absolute (God) is its own origin and has its own purposes for itself.
We are looking forward for your early response and active participation in Science and Scientist - 2017 at Kathmandu, Nepal. Thanking you. Your sincerely, Prof. Mohan Kharel Central Department of Biotechnology Tribhuvan University, Kathmandu, Nepal |
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Fifth International Conference
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I am Shastri in Nyaaya( Logic), Nyaaya-Tirtha, and Ph.D., University of London(1960),“The Paradox of Negative Judgment.” In General Physics: How do we know: the Dark Matter = the Absence of Matter (Reality) and Existence of Non-Entity.
I suggest we keep the discourse open for different paradigmatic views as
the Upanishadic Rishi says:
: Ekam Sad-Vipraha bahudha vadanti.
TRUTH IS ONE BUT INTERPRETENDED DIFFERENTly BY SCHOLARS.
Regards,
Dhirendra Sharma
Thank you very much Prof. Kharel for the invitation of "Fifth International Conference Science and Scientist-2017". It will be very helpful for us.Thank you.
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Science and Scientist - 2017
August 17—18, 2017
Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kathmandu, Nepal
http://scsiscs.org/conference/scienceandscientist/2017
BHAKTI VEDANTA INSTITUTE Report Archives
http://bviscs.org/reports
Sponsorship and Donations for Vedanta and Science Dialogue: http://scienceandscientist.org/donate
Reply to Gustavo Caetano-Anollés: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/19420889.2016.1160191
Why Biology is Beyond Physical Sciences?: http://dx.doi.org/10.5923/j.als.20160601.03
Life and consciousness – The Vedāntic view: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/19420889.2015.1085138
Harmonizer: http://scienceandscientist.org/harmonizer
Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture & Science
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Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute: http://scsiscs.org
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Fifth International Conference
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August 17—18, 2017
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Life and consciousness – The Vedāntic view: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/19420889.2015.1085138
Harmonizer: http://scienceandscientist.org/harmonizer
Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture & Science
Princeton, NJ, USA: http://bviscs.org
Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute: http://scsiscs.org
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Sadhu-Sanga Blog: http://mahaprabhu.net/satsanga
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Nice to Know, it is a good idea. Look forward for invitation and attend as senior faculty or chair the session
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Many thanks for the information about the International conference on Science and Scientist 2017. Concept is encouraging and it will may be a platform where an exchange of information regarding the bridging between Science and Philosophy will be well-addressed.Thanks all,
With kind regards,Dr. ChatterjeeDr. Somenath Chatterjee, Ph. D.
____________________________________________________________Institute Address:
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Fifth International Conference
Science and Scientist - 2017
August 17—18, 2017
Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kathmandu, Nepal
http://scsiscs.org/conference/scienceandscientist/2017
BHAKTI VEDANTA INSTITUTE Report Archives
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Why Biology is Beyond Physical Sciences?: http://dx.doi.org/10.5923/j.als.20160601.03
Life and consciousness – The Vedāntic view: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/19420889.2015.1085138
Harmonizer: http://scienceandscientist.org/harmonizer
Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture & Science
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August 18—19, 2017
Thank you very much Prof. Kharel for your nice response. I’ll try my best to attend this conference and I also wish to present a paper. I want to express my deep gratitude for Sripad B. Madhava Puri, Dr. Bhakti Niskama Shanta and Dr. Bhakti Vijnana Muni who made possible a platform for us to understand the Highest Truth in very precise manner. This forum is just like a 'Spark in the Dark' for the person like me who was wandering in the search of right knowledge about the 'Absolute Truth'.
Thank you very much for providing this opportunity
With regards
Shilpi Saxena, Ph.D.
Science and Scientist - 2017
August 17—18, 2017
Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kathmandu, Nepal
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Why Biology is Beyond Physical Sciences?: http://dx.doi.org/10.5923/j.als.20160601.03
Life and consciousness – The Vedāntic view: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/19420889.2015.1085138
Harmonizer: http://scienceandscientist.org/harmonizer
Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture & Science
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Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute: http://scsiscs.org
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August 18—19, 2017
Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kathmandu, Nepal
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Why Biology is Beyond Physical Sciences?: http://dx.doi.org/10.5923/j.als.20160601.03
Life and consciousness – The Vedāntic view: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/19420889.2015.1085138
Harmonizer: http://scienceandscientist.org/harmonizer
Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture & Science
Princeton, NJ, USA: http://bviscs.org
Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute: http://scsiscs.org
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Your email content is reflecting two gross ways for understanding, one is mainly for Objective approach and other is Subjective.
From a purely professional level Science would not progress if it will not approached with specialization. But we need objective approach only for our livelihood but after achieving our professional positions like Professor and Scientist we also need wholistic approach and this approach is not exclusive. What way we can do real good to our true being is also a part of real scientific study. Analytical (Objective) study and theoretical (Subjective) study both should go together then only we could understand the whole reality.
How science can be wholistic if it excludes the study of Scientist (soul) and souls of all souls (Supreme God)? And as far as I know this is also the main purpose of ‘Science and Scientist-2017’ Conference: http://scsiscs.org/conference/scienceandscientist/2017
We as finite being cannot understand and represent the Whole that accommodate everything in it. Only Absolute can Harmonize everything. Therefore, we have to change our concept from self-centered exploitation to the God-centered dedication. One process is to find the root and next process to water the root (Srimad Bhagavad-Gita 5.4).
I am planning to submit a paper for this conference and would like to present the same if accepted. Hope that you and other list members of this group can also join this event and we can have some fruitful dialogue at Kathmandu during the conference.
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Respected Prof. T. Sripathy,
I
would also like to submit a paper for Science and Scientist - 2017 conference
that is planned to be held in Kathmandu during 18-19 August. I am preparing a
paper on ‘Thermodynamics Challenge to the Materialistic View of Origin of Biological
Systems’. As a chemist I feel that materialistic origin of life is incompatible
with the empirically observed facts of thermodynamics. Without any intervention
thermodynamics will not allow the long chain bio-molecules to self-organize and
beyond that a cell is simply inconceivable purely following a physicochemical
route. There is no scientific justification to teach and spend public money on
the projects that deal with material origin of life. I will be very happy If I
got the opportunity to be a part of this ‘Science and Scientist-2017’
International Conference and would like to share some of these ideas.
I read your email and came to know that you are going to present on ‘Study of
Agnihothra’. I am very much interested to know about Agnihothra. Can you please
explain something about it?
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Respected Priyedarshi ji,
It’s nice to be in touch with you again. Thanks for your reply.
In Indian philosophy there is no prominent objective-subjective duality because we do not deny the fact that apart from gross body, mind, consciousness, soul and God do exist. We do not deny the existence of subtle plane just because we do not sense them by our gross senses. But somehow Western thought and its brainchild modern science keep on denying the existence of any reality beyond gross body.
I can establish you through the most authentic and scientific ‘Vedic literatures’. Vedic literatures have attracted the attention of some world’s finest scientific minds such as Erwin Schrodinger, Robert Oppenheimer, Albert Einstein and many more.
Some references from Vedic Vedic literature about the Existence of soul:
[Srimad Bhagavad-gita(Bg)Chapter 2.16,17, 20,22,23,24], [Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3.31], [Svetasvatara Upanisad 5.9], [Katha Upanisad 1.2.20]. Please read in detail if you really want to know the existence of soul.
I want to ask you one question on your comment that I presume the existence of soul. Do you also not presume that you exist? You have used the word "I" many time in your reply. Do you also not presume that "I" exist? What is your prove that "I" exist. If you can know the prove behind "I" then you will naturally get the prove behind soul.
I am seeing that you are discussing much on philosophy and doing real philosophy needs deep thinking and I hope that you will not ask me to prove the existence of thinking. How gross and subtle planes are linked is the question that science and philosophy should discuss and not about to prove of their existence. But many are confused on simple things because of bad education that we are getting from materialistic science and poor philosophy like Lokayata. Lokayata is stated to be the Hindu school where there is "no God, no samsara (rebirth), no karma, no duty, no fruits of merit, no sin (Haribhadrasūri (Translator: M Jain, 1989), Saddarsanasamuccaya, Asiatic Society, OCLC 255495691).
Science and philosophy are not here to confuse us even on simple things. At present science/philosophy are only a medium of making money and do not have any real values and deep spiritual insights. We have to focus on some verses of vedic literature, Vedanta-sutra 1.1.1, Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.2, and Katha Upanisad 1.3.14, then only we can understand the real purpose of Human life in a right perspective.
It is really good to see so much of nice and insightful discussions on this forum and “Science and Scientist-2017” will be good platform to meet personally with the participants of this forum so that they can clarify the differences that they have on certain issues.
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Respected Priyedarshi Ji
You are right Sir that Indian Philosophy is rich with diverse schools of thoughts, for further reference we can read the details given by (H.H.) Dr B.M. Puri Maharaja in the article “SIDDHANTA” [Advaita, Dvaita, Visisadvaita, Acintya Bheda-Abheda Tattva, Matter, Ego, Maya, Consciousness, Spirit] so that we can understand these subjects more precisely. http://mahaprabhu.net/satsanga/?download=SIDDHANTA.pdf
There is no conflict between these Schools of thoughts because according to
one’s understanding and developing stages of consciousness one adopt a
different kind of philosophy. When he/she cross that developmental stages then
only one can enter and could understand the next higher kind of stages. In
Indian Philosophy there is possibility for everyone to elevate their
consciousness by following the different kind of process which is most suitable
and soothing according to our present stage.
Sir, I am very sorry if I hurt your feelings. My intention is not like that.
You are much experienced than me. But I thought this is a very good and
authentic forum ‘sadhu-sanga’ and we have also a great platform like annual
conference of ‘Science and Scientist-2017’. By debating and discussion we can
learn so many things from so many learned peoples like you. As a Human being
our aim is same “Find the Root and Watering
the Root”.
I hope we could have more fruitful discussion during “Science and
Scientist-2017” Conference in Kathmandu.
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Respected Vinod ji,
Thanks for your comments. Holding some stubborn views is the attitude that is coming from the fact that the practice of modern materialistic science demands its practitioner that one has to simply overlook the reason, rational logic, observation and evidence and scientific outlook. Otherwise what kind of reason, rational logic, observation and evidence and scientific outlook will support the concepts like material origin of life and evolution of bodies?
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Thank you so much.I shall send my article within the time limit.Best regards,Dr Soma Basu
On 7 May 2017 3:43 pm, "Mohan Kharel" <mohankh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dr Soma BasuIt is nice to hear that you are willing to participate in up coming Science and Scientist- 2017 that is going to be held in Kathmandu. You are welcome heartily. In the mean time you may start sending the article that you want to present in the conference to Shanta or Muni Maharaj, if you have it already, although the dead line for submission is July 2, 2017.Thank youMohaan Kharel
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ThanksI am interested
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In some of the ongoing discussion in this Forum,
Priyadarshi Jaitley Ji asked an interesting question in his reply to Avatar Singh https://groups.google.com/d/msg/online_sadhu_sanga/-9GkQS4C8o4/Rv6muFXjAAAJ
*** First, what is the criterion to demarcate the real from the unreal? ***
Priyadarshi Jaitley Ji also had a lot of discussion in recent past about whether there is any real difference between animal and human being. What I feel is that the real for a bacteria is different than that of a fish, with the presumption that they have some concept about what real means. For animals food and other bodily needs, and concepts related to body are only real things. In some humans also we can find the same concept of real. But some elevated humans also try to find "real" beyond body and that may be I think a special ability that human being has. I feel that the demarcation of real from unreal depends on one's advancement and it cannot be same for all.
I read one of the article of Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D., published in “Harmonizer” entitled ‘A Unique Insight into the Nature of “Knowing” and of the Concept’, dated September 2010. He wrote that the "Purpose of Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit is to demonstrate that is the concept is underlying reality or truth that lies hidden to ordinary knowing. Once the concept is revealed it becomes object of scientific developments in his Encyclopedia of Philosophical Sciences, but because of its absolute nature the concept and its developments are identical while different simultaneously. On the absolute platform opposites are identical in their difference, just as the absolute value of [1] is the same as the absolute value of [-1] in mathematics. To be able to think in terms of absolute knowledge therefore one has to leave the duality of relative knowing or understanding and raise oneself to the level of dialectical unity or Reason”.
In a reply of Vasavada Kashyap Ji to Robert Boyer dated 23 May 2017 in the thread ‘Response to your Question on Bohm’s Theory’ he wrote that …. “As I mentioned in my article, Adi Shankaracharya’s “Brahm Satyam, Jagat Mithya” sounds good to me. Modern physics already shows the Jagat Mithya, in the sense that the world is made out of fuzzy wave-particle stuff and not illusory rigid material we see around! Physics is not yet at the stage of Brahm Satyam!”
The concept “Brahm Satyam, Jagat Mithya” used by the followers of Adi Sankaracharya, according to this concept we cannot overcome our ignorance by claiming ‘Jagat Mithya’ because we are under illusion and that is true-‘Satyam’. ‘Brahm Satyam’ is also true and we are under illusion is also true.
I like the reply of Mr Robert to Mr kashyap (22 May 2017), he explain about the stages of understanding toward higher states of consciousness with the help of Bohm’s/Hiley theory and Sankhya philosophy from (Vedic literature) Srimad Bhagavatam (canto 3).
In the response of Reply of Mr Robert to Priyedarshi ji (25 May 2017), It is true that acquiring higher knowledge and develop the higher states of Consciousness is the beyond the capacity of humans but it is not lost it is available through the Vedic system. It is also mentioned in the Srimad Bhagavatam (4.14.9) and Srimad Bhagavad Gita (18.5) about the procedures by which everyone can be elevated to the spiritual platform and when this is done then people can advance their consciousness and make their lives successful.
Modern Science only studies atoms and molecules, and for scientists "real" means physical and chemical properties of things that they observe around them. But what about life? Is life only a study of physics and chemistry of body of an organism? Or there is something more fundamental reality that is there beyond body? So it is a good concept that Science and Scientist annual event tries to emphasize that the study of Scientist must be included within Science. I think Science should also allow to include some spiritual concepts beyond body to have some real study of life.
With regards
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Some of the topics under discussion on this list will also be the topics of our presentation in Science and Scientist - 2017:
Thanking you.Sincerely,
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Dear Dr Mahendra Kumar TanejaHappy to know that you are also interested in joining this upcoming Science and Scientist 2017 conference at Kathmandu. It will be good to know the different important topics/views that different participants in this event are planning to present so that we can have some discussion on those topics in this Sadhu Sanga egroup platform and it will help us refine and refresh our views. I will send soon some details about the ideas that I am trying to put together in a paper format for this event.With Regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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Thank you so much.I shall send my article within the time limit.Best regards,Dr Soma Basu
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Respected Prof. Mohan Kharel
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I would like to present a paper in the 5th International Conference of SCIENCE AND SCIENTIST - 2017.
Thank you for sharing the information.
Rabindra Bharati UniversitySchool of Vedic StudiesAssociate ProfessorBest regards,Dr Soma Basu
Kolkata 700050, WEST BENGAL, INDIA
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On 30 Apr 2017 2:55 pm, "Dr Shilpi Saxena" <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi JiYou are right Sir that Indian Philosophy is rich with diverse schools of thoughts, for further reference we can read the details given by (H.H.) Dr B.M. Puri Maharaja in the article “SIDDHANTA” [Advaita, Dvaita, Visisadvaita, Acintya Bheda-Abheda Tattva, Matter, Ego, Maya, Consciousness, Spirit] so that we can understand these subjects more precisely. http://mahaprabhu.net/satsanga /?download=SIDDHANTA.pdf
There is no conflict between these Schools of thoughts because according to one’s understanding and developing stages of consciousness one adopt a different kind of philosophy. When he/she cross that developmental stages then only one can enter and could understand the next higher kind of stages. In Indian Philosophy there is possibility for everyone to elevate their consciousness by following the different kind of process which is most suitable and soothing according to our present stage.
Sir, I am very sorry if I hurt your feelings. My intention is not like that. You are much experienced than me. But I thought this is a very good and authentic forum ‘sadhu-sanga’ and we have also a great platform like annual conference of ‘Science and Scientist-2017’. By debating and discussion we can learn so many things from so many learned peoples like you. As a Human being our aim is same “Find the Root and Watering the Root”.
I hope we could have more fruitful discussion during “Science and Scientist-2017” Conference in Kathmandu.
Thanks with regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Shilpi,I wish I had your confidence when I was young like you. I still don't have it. But you are obviously in some high level of deep thinking of a philosophical plane to decide that Lokayata is a poor philosophy. One of my senior colleagues, V. P. Verma wrote a book on Indian atheism and won the Birla prize for the book on Hindi. Indian philosophy is rich with diverse schools that are Nastik, do not accept the existence of God. I am afraid you have a very narrow conception of what Indian philosophy is. Indian philosophy on the whole is never dogmatic or doctinaire like you claim it to be. History of atheism is much richer in the history of Indian philosophy than it is in Western philosophy. You would be hard pressed to find atheistic schools in Western philosophy before the 18th century. I have been doing shallow thinking philosophy for 45 years and will continue to do so but I will still not accept the existence of a soul or a non material consciousness. And I am not the only one. There are a lot of inferior to you and shallow thinking philosophers who are in the same boat as I am. In fact, a lot of the concepts of God, Divinity, Theism, and so on which are currently used to spell out some of the Indian texts are imported from the West. The literal meaning of 'Theism' is not there in ancient Indian texts. Unfortunately, a person I admired a lot, and met a few times when I was a child, Radhakrishnan, is partially responsible for the Christianizing of Hinduism and of Indian philosophy. Advaita is not the paradigm of either Hinduism or Indian philosophy as it came much later, at the fag end of when the activity of Indian philosophy with vicious debates among schools and within schools came to an end and since then Indian philosophy has become stagnant as your dogmatic statements clearly indicate.Priyedarshi
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi ji,It’s nice to be in touch with you again. Thanks for your reply.In Indian philosophy there is no prominent objective-subjective duality because we do not deny the fact that apart from gross body, mind, consciousness, soul and God do exist. We do not deny the existence of subtle plane just because we do not sense them by our gross senses. But somehow Western thought and its brainchild modern science keep on denying the existence of any reality beyond gross body.I can establish you through the most authentic and scientific ‘Vedic literatures’. Vedic literatures have attracted the attention of some world’s finest scientific minds such as Erwin Schrodinger, Robert Oppenheimer, Albert Einstein and many more.Some references from Vedic Vedic literature about the Existence of soul:[Srimad Bhagavad-gita(Bg)Chapter 2.16,17, 20,22,23,24], [Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3.31], [Svetasvatara Upanisad 5.9], [Katha Upanisad 1.2.20]. Please read in detail if you really want to know the existence of soul.I want to ask you one question on your comment that I presume the existence of soul. Do you also not presume that you exist? You have used the word "I" many time in your reply. Do you also not presume that "I" exist? What is your prove that "I" exist. If you can know the prove behind "I" then you will naturally get the prove behind soul.I am seeing that you are discussing much on philosophy and doing real philosophy needs deep thinking and I hope that you will not ask me to prove the existence of thinking. How gross and subtle planes are linked is the question that science and philosophy should discuss and not about to prove of their existence. But many are confused on simple things because of bad education that we are getting from materialistic science and poor philosophy like Lokayata. Lokayata is stated to be the Hindu school where there is "no God, no samsara (rebirth), no karma, no duty, no fruits of merit, no sin (Haribhadrasūri (Translator: M Jain, 1989), Saddarsanasamuccaya, Asiatic Society, OCLC 255495691).Science and philosophy are not here to confuse us even on simple things. At present science/philosophy are only a medium of making money and do not have any real values and deep spiritual insights. We have to focus on some verses of vedic literature, Vedanta-sutra 1.1.1, Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.2, and Katha Upanisad 1.3.14, then only we can understand the real purpose of Human life in a right perspective.It is really good to see so much of nice and insightful discussions on this forum and “Science and Scientist-2017” will be good platform to meet personally with the participants of this forum so that they can clarify the differences that they have on certain issues.
Thanks with regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:46 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Shilpi,Many, including some in this group do not accept the objective-subjective distinction as you describe it and hold it. I do not understand how you jump from this distinction to holism. In the holistic perspective the sujective-objective distinction is perhaps dissolved. Before you talk about the soul, which you simply assume exists, you must in some way establish its existence and not simply assume it. Otherwise there can be no debate on whether or not the soul exists. And these debates have been there in the history of Indian philosophy as I have given evidence of it with the Lokyata perspective. All these perspectives have been around. I am saying nothing new.Priyedarshi
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi JiYour email content is reflecting two gross ways for understanding, one is mainly for Objective approach and other is Subjective.From a purely professional level Science would not progress if it will not approached with specialization. But we need objective approach only for our livelihood but after achieving our professional positions like Professor and Scientist we also need wholistic approach and this approach is not exclusive. What way we can do real good to our true being is also a part of real scientific study. Analytical (Objective) study and theoretical (Subjective) study both should go together then only we could understand the whole reality.How science can be wholistic if it excludes the study of Scientist (soul) and souls of all souls (Supreme God)? And as far as I know this is also the main purpose of ‘Science and Scientist-2017’ Conference: http://scsiscs.org/conference/ scienceandscientist/2017We as finite being cannot understand and represent the Whole that accommodate everything in it. Only Absolute can Harmonize everything. Therefore, we have to change our concept from self-centered exploitation to the God-centered dedication. One process is to find the root and next process to water the root (Srimad Bhagavad-Gita 5.4).I am planning to submit a paper for this conference and would like to present the same if accepted. Hope that you and other list members of this group can also join this event and we can have some fruitful dialogue at Kathmandu during the conference.
With regardsDr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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Dear Priyedarshi.
Please call me kashyap. Your comment to Shilpi was quite interesting! My answer would be that according to modern physics our day to day life is based on classical physics. That is as real as one could get. The question of reality or nonreality would arise only if our farmer thinks about quantum theory i.e. if while running his tractor and talking to his wife or friends on his cell phone, he starts wondering what is the science behind all this!! So it is fine with us if he believes his world is real. That is perfectly ok! But I wonder what would you call unreal?
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I appreciate the nice reply of Dr. Kashyap
and I want to add the following points
1. Humanitarian point of view itself may be esoteric for farmers and different
farmers have their own reason behind cultivation of crops.
2. Scientists think that some biomolecules are the building blocks of life. For
them biomolecules are real to understand life. But as explained by Dr. Kashyap,
I do not think majority of farmers think that biomolecules are the reality
based on which life can be understood.
3. Can humanitarian idea be studied by physics and chemistry alone? What are
the physical building blocks of humanitarian idea? If humanitarian idea does
not have a physical basis then can we call it unreal?
4. There are farmers who certainly believe that seeds are divine gift and it is
not an outcome of human or physical manipulation of matter. They know for sure
that they cannot manufacture seeds from soil (chemicals) and seeds come from
life (plants). So what is real for scientists is completely different for
farmers.
5. So it is wrong to conclude that farmers do not ever get the time to reach
the high levels of consciousness. From their own experience of farming they can
realize divine. They indeed realize that rain, crops, etc. are divine gifts.
6. Unlike animals, it is human beings who cultivate their food. Animals simply
eat and thus the act of farming differentiates us from that of animals.
I also wish to draw your attentions towards a very interesting article entitled “Idols of the Mind vs. True Reality” dated December 27, 2015 written by Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D., Please visit the link below:
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Dear Prof. Oliver K. Manuel,
Happy to learn that you are also coming to Science and Scientist - 2017 conference along with your students. I am a chemist and I will be happy to learn from you the logical error in calculating atomic nuclear energy. I was always curious about the concept of strong force and it is quite amazing that nucleus of elements with higher atomic numbers contain so many protons so closely. What kind of amazing process is needed for such a thing to originate! How positive and negative charges originated from the fundamental stuff (whatever that may be!)? If you and others experts on this group can clarify these things then it will be helpful. Of course about these topics I will be happy to talk to you in person during the conference.
I have also worked for a Project in collaboration with International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Vienna and during this period I have got the opportunity to work with a team of Scientists involved in this project: Dr Bhishm Kumar, Scientist, F (Former Consultant in Isotope Hydrology Section, IAEA, Vienna Austria), Dr M.S. Rao, Scientist E, at National Institute of Hydrology, Roorkee, Dr S.K. Gupta, Principal Scientist and Dr R.D. Despande, Scientist at Physical Research Laboratory, Ahemdabad, Dr P.S. Datta, Project Director and Principal Scientist at Nuclear Research Laboratory, IARI New Delhi and Dr S.V. Navada, Scientist at Bhabha Atomic Research Center, Trombay, Mumbai.
For your information the conference dates are 18-19 August, 2017. It was initially sent by mistake as 17-18 August, 2017 and a correction was sent latter.
With Best Regards
Dear Professor Mohan Kharel,Thank you for the invitation to participate in the ‘Fifth International Conference ‘Science and Scientist - 2017’ on 17-18 August 2017 at Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kamaladi – Kathmandu, Nepal.I would like to attend the conference and present the following abstract of a paper on the 1935 logical error in calculating atomic nuclear energy:if there will be atomic, nuclear or particle physicists present to offer comments, corrections or criticisms.The above logical error has isolated humanity from Reality/Truth/God for the past eighty-two years, although it was recognized by my research mentor, the late Professor Paul Kazuo Kuroda, on 13 June 1936:In keeping with the theme of this year's conference, “Working Together Toward a Spiritual Science of the Conscious Self,” I would be happy to have any other scientist familiar with atomic, nuclear or particle physics introduce the paper discussion (particularly the figure at the top of the first page), in the event that I am unable to travel or to obtain a visa to visit Nepal.I will copy one of my earlier, talented former students, Srinivasan BalaSubramanian, one of my younger, brighter former students, Marcel Pless, in Germany, and one of my recent physics & astronomy colleagues, Hilton Ratcliffe, to see if one of them might be able to travel to Nepal on 17-18 August 2017 to present the paper.Srinivasan discovered and reported s-products in the Murchison meteorite in 1978:Marcel discovered and reported solar mass-fractionation of s-products in the sun in 2005:Hilton reported the importance of neutron repulsion as the cosmic source of energy in 2007:Thank you for reading and replying to this message.With kind regards,~Oliver K. ManuelEmeritus Professor &Former NASA PrincipalInvestigator for Apollo
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Thank you very much Sir for raising your concern.
Why a farmer and a factory worker cannot uplift their consciousness? Every human has the potential to inquire about his origin and goal of life and this inquiry is not restricted to scientists and philosophers alone. As described in ‘Padam Puran’, “there are 900,000 species living in the water, 2,000,000 non-moving living entities [stavara] such as tree and plants, 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties and there are only 400,000 human species.
According to ‘Brahma Vaivarta Purana’, one attains the human form of life after transmigrating through these 8,000,000 species by the process of gradual evolution of consciousness.
Then what should we have to do and how everyone can uplift their consciousness?
It is clearly mentioned in Vedanta Sutra (1.1.1), “one should inquire about the Absolute Truth” and try to understand the boon that you now have in this human form of life. The path to understand the Absolute truth is very difficult; it is sharp like a razor’s edge” (Katha Upanishad 1.3.14). That is the opinion of learned transcendental scholars.
As you said in your reply that … “Surely, farmers can find time to explore consciousness, but as a rule they don't. They have a rough life.
Sir, why you are ready to give credit only to farmers but not to the source of origin of those plants, without which even farmers are helpless and they cannot do any cultivation. As food grains are produced from rains and rains are produced by performance of prescribed duties (BG 3.14).
According to Srimad Bhagavad-Gita (BG 3.35), as farmer, worker, philosopher, scientist, soldier even a King (BG 3.20) can uplift ones consciousness by doing one’s prescribed duties. Our position is that we respect everything and at the same time we should remain focused on the goal of human life.
As you said that “….We are in
a privileged position to explore consciousness and go to conferences because
the farmers are doing the dirty work for us in feeding us”.
Sir, it’s also not true for all. Those who have comfortable life and big position in society and highly educated in general the tendency is that their false pride stops them to accept the shelter of Supreme Controller and they are happy to live a self-centred life. But those who are in more humble position, they may be farmers and administrators even some great scientist, they can easily accept the process to uplift their consciousness by gradual process and live a simple God-centred life.
In one of your past email you have doubted the existence of Soul and you have asked for the proof of soul existence. And I have asked you the proof of "I" and you have not replied. Do you really think that proof of things are only possible the way scientists conceive in empirically or there are some other way?
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Credit also goes to farmers who have realized from their own closeness to the nature that it is God who is the source of these seeds which we are using for cultivation. Rivers, rain, mountains, seeds of different life forms and the entire complex cosmos is a divine gift. Whether one accepts it or not that is another issue, but our intuition gives this genuine impression. I do not buy the stories that scientists narrate that everything is just a manipulation of physics and chemistry of material stuff. To make their stories credible scientist first should produce a mosquito from chemicals in their laboratory. We cannot bluff around on the name of science.
According to Vedic scriptures every living entities including bacteria have souls and all of them have the power to uplift their condition but in a human body the soul has more privilege to advance on the spiritual path. Any social structure that denies the human dignity and dooms them to animalistic propensity should be condemned.
The unfortunate fact of modern education is that it gives an impression to students that their goal is to simply earn money and have an enjoying materialistic life. That is why everyone wants a comfortable position to satisfy their esteem ego needs and it that practice you cannot find people who wishfully aspire to be a laborer or farmer. Modern society will always treat a peon and an officer differently because that is the gradation that people get on the basis of their academic credential. Modern education does not teach anything about soul and its equality in nature. It does not say anything about the real goal of human life and modern education is completely bereft of spiritual wisdom.
How a social justice system can be established where laws of physics and chemistry are primary and not the laws of God?
Thanks with Best Regards
Dear Shilpi,
Of course credit goes to plants and the farmers know this much better than us without reaching any high level of consciousness. My point is what Swami Vivekananda and other reformists have made. All souls are equal, spiritual freedom requires the infrastructure in which each soul can pursue its own path. This is not possible when social structures are such that many humans are denied their dignity. So, I feel anyone's reaching higher consciousness if futile unless we can have a socially just society. We need to work for that first. For example in ancient Vedantic sociery, from what I have read (though most of our knowledge goes back to the later Vedantic and not the ancient vedantic) education through youth was free and mandatory for all. Boys and girls went to different ashrama but got the same education. Education included farming, cleaning the premises, cooking, reading the Vedas, and by the end defending up to three thesis. This is better than most PhD requirements in India. Perhaps we cannot practically have this today in India. But some sort of a social justice system is needed to provide equal educational and economic opportunity to all.Priyedarshi
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi ji
Thank you very much Sir for raising your concern.
Why a farmer and a factory worker cannot uplift their consciousness? Every human has the potential to inquire about his origin and goal of life and this inquiry is not restricted to scientists and philosophers alone. As described in ‘Padam Puran’, “there are 900,000 species living in the water, 2,000,000 non-moving living entities [stavara] such as tree and plants, 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties and there are only 400,000 human species.
According to ‘Brahma Vaivarta Purana’, one attains the human form of life after transmigrating through these 8,000,000 species by the process of gradual evolution of consciousness.
Then what should we have to do and how everyone can uplift their consciousness?
It is clearly mentioned in Vedanta Sutra (1.1.1), “one should inquire about the Absolute Truth” and try to understand the boon that you now have in this human form of life. The path to understand the Absolute truth is very difficult; it is sharp like a razor’s edge” (Katha Upanishad 1.3.14). That is the opinion of learned transcendental scholars.
As you said in your reply that … “Surely, farmers can find time to explore consciousness, but as a rule they don't. They have a rough life.
Sir, why you are ready to give credit only to farmers but not to the source of origin of those plants, without which even farmers are helpless and they cannot do any cultivation. As food grains are produced from rains and rains are produced by performance of prescribed duties (BG 3.14).
According to Srimad Bhagavad-Gita (BG 3.35), as farmer, worker, philosopher, scientist, soldier even a King (BG 3.20) can uplift ones consciousness by doing one’s prescribed duties. Our position is that we respect everything and at the same time we should remain focused on the goal of human life.
As you said that “….We are in a privileged position to explore consciousness and go to conferences because the farmers are doing the dirty work for us in feeding us”.
Sir, it’s also not true for all. Those who have comfortable life and big position in society and highly educated in general the tendency is that their false pride stops them to accept the shelter of Supreme Controller and they are happy to live a self-centred life. But those who are in more humble position, they may be farmers and administrators even some great scientist, they can easily accept the process to uplift their consciousness by gradual process and live a simple God-centred life.
In one of your past email you have doubted the existence of Soul and you have asked for the proof of soul existence. And I have asked you the proof of "I" and you have not replied. Do you really think that proof of things are only possible the way scientists conceive in empirically or there are some other way?
All suggestions and comments are most welcome.
Thanks with Best Regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:22 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shilpi,
I think you have missed my point. We are in a privileged position to explore consciousness and go to conferences because the farmers are doing the dirty work for us in feeding us. Surely there are, I suppose, sadhus who do not eat or those who grow their own food, but these are exceptions. Surely, farmers can find time to explore consciousness, but as a rule they don't. They have a rough life. We dont' have that rough life so we cannot understand. It is not just farmers but also factory workers, construction workers and others without whom we would not comfortably be sitting in our homes and typing on the computers and sharing our views on this forum.Priyedarshi
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Respected Priyedarshi Ji,
I appreciate the nice reply of Dr. Kashyap and I want to add the following points
1. Humanitarian point of view itself may be esoteric for farmers and different farmers have their own reason behind cultivation of crops.
2. Scientists think that some biomolecules are the building blocks of life. For them biomolecules are real to understand life. But as explained by Dr. Kashyap, I do not think majority of farmers think that biomolecules are the reality based on which life can be understood.
3. Can humanitarian idea be studied by physics and chemistry alone? What are the physical building blocks of humanitarian idea? If humanitarian idea does not have a physical basis then can we call it unreal?
4. There are farmers who certainly believe that seeds are divine gift and it is not an outcome of human or physical manipulation of matter. They know for sure that they cannot manufacture seeds from soil (chemicals) and seeds come from life (plants). So what is real for scientists is completely different for farmers.
5. So it is wrong to conclude that farmers do not ever get the time to reach the high levels of consciousness. From their own experience of farming they can realize divine. They indeed realize that rain, crops, etc. are divine gifts.
6. Unlike animals, it is human beings who cultivate their food. Animals simply eat and thus the act of farming differentiates us from that of animals.
I also wish to draw your attentions towards a very interesting article entitled “Idols of the Mind vs. True Reality” dated December 27, 2015 written by Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D., Please visit the link below:
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:30 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shilpi,If the difference between the real and the unreal is only to be realized at some higher esoteric stages, then, from a humanitarian point of view, it is not very inviting. The farmers who feed us have a sense of the real as adequate rain, their crops coming out fine, and so on, and they do not ever get the time to reach those high levels of consciousness so that they don't realize that rain, crops, etc. aren't really a high level of reality. But lucky for us because if they went off to the higher states to realize what reality is we would not be around here sharing our perspectives on this forum as we would not have anything to eat.Priyedarshi
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all Sadhusanga Group Members,
In some of the ongoing discussion in this Forum,
Priyadarshi Jaitley Ji asked an interesting question in his reply to Avatar Singh https://groups.google.com/d/msg/online_sadhu_sanga/-9GkQS4C8o4/Rv6muFXjAAAJ
*** First, what is the criterion to demarcate the real from the unreal? ***
Priyadarshi Jaitley Ji also had a lot of discussion in recent past about whether there is any real difference between animal and human being. What I feel is that the real for a bacteria is different than that of a fish, with the presumption that they have some concept about what real means. For animals food and other bodily needs, and concepts related to body are only real things. In some humans also we can find the same concept of real. But some elevated humans also try to find "real" beyond body and that may be I think a special ability that human being has. I feel that the demarcation of real from unreal depends on one's advancement and it cannot be same for all.
I read one of the article of Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D., published in “Harmonizer” entitled ‘A Unique Insight into the Nature of “Knowing” and of the Concept’, dated September 2010. He wrote that the "Purpose of Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit is to demonstrate that is the concept is underlying reality or truth that lies hidden to ordinary knowing. Once the concept is revealed it becomes object of scientific developments in his Encyclopedia of Philosophical Sciences, but because of its absolute nature the concept and its developments are identical while different simultaneously. On the absolute platform opposites are identical in their difference, just as the absolute value of [1] is the same as the absolute value of [-1] in mathematics. To be able to think in terms of absolute knowledge therefore one has to leave the duality of relative knowing or understanding and raise oneself to the level of dialectical unity or Reason”.
In a reply of Vasavada Kashyap Ji to Robert Boyer dated 23 May 2017 in the thread ‘Response to your Question on Bohm’s Theory’ he wrote that …. “As I mentioned in my article, Adi Shankaracharya’s “Brahm Satyam, Jagat Mithya” sounds good to me. Modern physics already shows the Jagat Mithya, in the sense that the world is made out of fuzzy wave-particle stuff and not illusory rigid material we see around! Physics is not yet at the stage of Brahm Satyam!”
The concept “Brahm Satyam, Jagat Mithya” used by the followers of Adi Sankaracharya, according to this concept we cannot overcome our ignorance by claiming ‘Jagat Mithya’ because we are under illusion and that is true-‘Satyam’. ‘Brahm Satyam’ is also true and we are under illusion is also true.
I like the reply of Mr Robert to Mr kashyap (22 May 2017), he explain about the stages of understanding toward higher states of consciousness with the help of Bohm’s/Hiley theory and Sankhya philosophy from (Vedic literature) Srimad Bhagavatam (canto 3).
In the response of Reply of Mr Robert to Priyedarshi ji (25 May 2017), It is true that acquiring higher knowledge and develop the higher states of Consciousness is the beyond the capacity of humans but it is not lost it is available through the Vedic system. It is also mentioned in the Srimad Bhagavatam (4.14.9) and Srimad Bhagavad Gita (18.5) about the procedures by which everyone can be elevated to the spiritual platform and when this is done then people can advance their consciousness and make their lives successful.
Modern Science only studies atoms and molecules, and for scientists "real" means physical and chemical properties of things that they observe around them. But what about life? Is life only a study of physics and chemistry of body of an organism? Or there is something more fundamental reality that is there beyond body? So it is a good concept that Science and Scientist annual event tries to emphasize that the study of Scientist must be included within Science. I think Science should also allow to include some spiritual concepts beyond body to have some real study of life.
With regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCE
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On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Dr. Bhakti Niskama Shanta <b...@scsiscs.org> wrote:
Some of the topics under discussion on this list will also be the topics of our presentation in Science and Scientist - 2017:
Thanking you.Sincerely,
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Dear Dr Mahendra Kumar TanejaHappy to know that you are also interested in joining this upcoming Science and Scientist 2017 conference at Kathmandu. It will be good to know the different important topics/views that different participants in this event are planning to present so that we can have some discussion on those topics in this Sadhu Sanga egroup platform and it will help us refine and refresh our views. I will send soon some details about the ideas that I am trying to put together in a paper format for this event.With Regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
ThanksI am interested
Respected Priyedarshi JiYou are right Sir that Indian Philosophy is rich with diverse schools of thoughts, for further reference we can read the details given by (H.H.) Dr B.M. Puri Maharaja in the article “SIDDHANTA” [Advaita, Dvaita, Visisadvaita, Acintya Bheda-Abheda Tattva, Matter, Ego, Maya, Consciousness, Spirit] so that we can understand these subjects more precisely. http://mahaprabhu.net/satsanga /?download=SIDDHANTA.pdf
There is no conflict between these Schools of thoughts because according to one’s understanding and developing stages of consciousness one adopt a different kind of philosophy. When he/she cross that developmental stages then only one can enter and could understand the next higher kind of stages. In Indian Philosophy there is possibility for everyone to elevate their consciousness by following the different kind of process which is most suitable and soothing according to our present stage.
Sir, I am very sorry if I hurt your feelings. My intention is not like that. You are much experienced than me. But I thought this is a very good and authentic forum ‘sadhu-sanga’ and we have also a great platform like annual conference of ‘Science and Scientist-2017’. By debating and discussion we can learn so many things from so many learned peoples like you. As a Human being our aim is same
“Find the Root and Watering the Root”.
I hope we could have more fruitful discussion during “Science and Scientist-2017” Conference in Kathmandu.
Thanks with regardsDr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DST
Ex-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Shilpi,I wish I had your confidence when I was young like you. I still don't have it. But you are obviously in some high level of deep thinking of a philosophical plane to decide that Lokayata is a poor philosophy. One of my senior colleagues, V. P. Verma wrote a book on Indian atheism and won the Birla prize for the book on Hindi. Indian philosophy is rich with diverse schools that are Nastik, do not accept the existence of God. I am afraid you have a very narrow conception of what Indian philosophy is. Indian philosophy on the whole is never dogmatic or doctinaire like you claim it to be. History of atheism is much richer in the history of Indian philosophy than it is in Western philosophy. You would be hard pressed to find atheistic schools in Western philosophy before the 18th century. I have been doing shallow thinking philosophy for 45 years and will continue to do so but I will still not accept the existence of a soul or a non material consciousness. And I am not the only one. There are a lot of inferior to you and shallow thinking philosophers who are in the same boat as I am. In fact, a lot of the concepts of God, Divinity, Theism, and so on which are currently used to spell out some of the Indian texts are imported from the West. The literal meaning of 'Theism' is not there in ancient Indian texts. Unfortunately, a person I admired a lot, and met a few times when I was a child, Radhakrishnan, is partially responsible for the Christianizing of Hinduism and of Indian philosophy. Advaita is not the paradigm of either Hinduism or Indian philosophy as it came much later, at the fag end of when the activity of Indian philosophy with vicious debates among schools and within schools came to an end and since then Indian philosophy has become stagnant as your dogmatic statements clearly indicate.Priyedarshi
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi ji,It’s nice to be in touch with you again. Thanks for your reply.In Indian philosophy there is no prominent objective-subjective duality because we do not deny the fact that apart from gross body, mind, consciousness, soul and God do exist. We do not deny the existence of subtle plane just because we do not sense them by our gross senses. But somehow Western thought and its brainchild modern science keep on denying the existence of any reality beyond gross body.I can establish you through the most authentic and scientific ‘Vedic literatures’. Vedic literatures have attracted the attention of some world’s finest scientific minds such as Erwin Schrodinger, Robert Oppenheimer, Albert Einstein and many more.Some references from Vedic Vedic literature about the Existence of soul:
[Srimad Bhagavad-gita(Bg)Chapter 2.16,17, 20,22,23,24], [Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3.31], [Svetasvatara Upanisad 5.9], [Katha Upanisad 1.2.20]. Please read in detail if you really want to know the existence of soul.
I want to ask you one question on your comment that I presume the existence of soul. Do you also not presume that you exist? You have used the word "I" many time in your reply. Do you also not presume that "I" exist? What is your prove that "I" exist. If you can know the prove behind "I" then you will naturally get the prove behind soul.
I am seeing that you are discussing much on philosophy and doing real philosophy needs deep thinking and I hope that you will not ask me to prove the existence of thinking. How gross and subtle planes are linked is the question that science and philosophy should discuss and not about to prove of their existence. But many are confused on simple things because of bad education that we are getting from materialistic science and poor philosophy like Lokayata. Lokayata is stated to be the Hindu school where there is "no God, no samsara (rebirth), no karma, no duty, no fruits of merit, no sin (Haribhadrasūri (Translator: M Jain, 1989), Saddarsanasamuccaya, Asiatic Society, OCLC 255495691).Science and philosophy are not here to confuse us even on simple things. At present science/philosophy are only a medium of making money and do not have any real values and deep spiritual insights. We have to focus on some verses of vedic literature, Vedanta-sutra 1.1.1, Srimad Bhagavatam 1.1.2, and Katha Upanisad 1.3.14, then only we can understand the real purpose of Human life in a right perspective.
It is really good to see so much of nice and insightful discussions on this forum and “Science and Scientist-2017” will be good platform to meet personally with the participants of this forum so that they can clarify the differences that they have on certain issues.Thanks with regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:46 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Shilpi,Many, including some in this group do not accept the objective-subjective distinction as you describe it and hold it. I do not understand how you jump from this distinction to holism. In the holistic perspective the sujective-objective distinction is perhaps dissolved. Before you talk about the soul, which you simply assume exists, you must in some way establish its existence and not simply assume it. Otherwise there can be no debate on whether or not the soul exists. And these debates have been there in the history of Indian philosophy as I have given evidence of it with the Lokyata perspective. All these perspectives have been around. I am saying nothing new.Priyedarshi
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi JiYour email content is reflecting two gross ways for understanding, one is mainly for Objective approach and other is Subjective.From a purely professional level Science would not progress if it will not approached with specialization. But we need objective approach only for our livelihood but after achieving our professional positions like Professor and Scientist we also need wholistic approach and this approach is not exclusive. What way we can do real good to our true being is also a part of real scientific study. Analytical (Objective) study and theoretical (Subjective) study both should go together then only we could understand the whole reality.How science can be wholistic if it excludes the study of Scientist (soul) and souls of all souls (Supreme God)? And as far as I know this is also the main purpose of ‘Science and Scientist-2017’ Conference: http://scsiscs.org/conference/ scienceandscientist/2017
We as finite being cannot understand and represent the Whole that accommodate everything in it. Only Absolute can Harmonize everything. Therefore, we have to change our concept from self-centered exploitation to the God-centered dedication. One process is to find the root and next process to water the root (Srimad Bhagavad-Gita 5.4).I am planning to submit a paper for this conference and would like to present the same if accepted. Hope that you and other list members of this group can also join this event and we can have some fruitful dialogue at Kathmandu during the conference.With regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:26 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mohan,If the holistic approach is the correct approach and a piecemeal specialized analytic detailed approach is the incorrect approach, then you would have a paradox as the holistic approach would not be holistic but exclusive. Science, on the whole, would not progress, if it wasn't for greater and greater specialization. Yet, there is an objective of the unity of science even with specialization. But in no way can specialization be marginalized at the cost of holism.Priyedarshi
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Mohan Kharel <mohankh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dr Dhirendra SharmaYour statement "TRUTH IS ONE BUT INTERPRETENDED DIFFERENTly BY SCHOLARS" seems perfectly correct. To "one truth" everybody has agreed. With regard to the "different interpretation to it by scholars" would be, I guess, will be gradually narrowed down, the more we new sincere scholars take wholistic approach. Since Science and Scientist is meant for it, this forum will, I guess, enable us to arrive in a juncture from where we can start seeing the truth more clearly.Thank you for your interest to the upcoming conference.Sincerely yoursMohan Kharel
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Dhirendra Sharma <dhiren....@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Prof. Kharel: In 21st century, evolving globalisation Space Age, the International Science and Scientists Conference- 2017, can provide scientific -cultural mantra for the future generation. But your one-dimentional pre-condition
suggests that you aim to endorse a specific Theological belief system of the ancient Indian scientists ( Rishis).
E.g., you say.." confirming some of the important concepts of life from the Vedantic perspective. The main theme of the conference is “Working Together Toward a Spiritual Science of the Conscious Self”,
and that ..." Physical scientists fail to study these higher categories of reality ..The Vedānta-sūtra advises, .. athāto brahma jijñāsā, until you reach brahma, the underlying spiritual source,
janmādy asya yatah, the fountainhead where all inquiry will reach its purpose...."
-------------------I am Shastri in Nyaaya( Logic), Nyaaya-Tirtha, and Ph.D., University of London(1960),“The Paradox of Negative Judgment.” In General Physics: How do we know: the Dark Matter = the Absence of Matter (Reality) and Existence of Non-Entity.
First they will Laugh on you then they will threaten you and then they will follow you.
GANDHI...........
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Fifth International ConferenceSCIENCE AND SCIENTIST — 2017Working Together Toward a Spiritual Science of the Conscious Self
August 17, 2017 — August 18, 2017
Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kamaladi - Kathmandu, Nepal
Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute, Bangalore in collaboration with the Nepal Academy for Science and Technology (NAST), Nepal Academy, Central Department of Biotechnology, Tribhuvan University, and Kathmandu University are organizing the ‘Fifth International Conference ‘Science and Scientist - 2017’ during August 17 – 18, 2017 at Nepal Pragya Pratisthan, Kamaladi – Kathmandu, Nepal. This conference will be organized under the chairmanship of Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. (Serving Director, Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science, Princeton, NJ, USA). Conference details can be found at: www.scsiscs.org/conference /scienceandscientist/2017Conference Registration details
The registration details have been given at the conference webpage:
The last date for early registration is July 10, 2017.Accommodation
Kathmandu is well connected by air. Buses are also available from Delhi, Varanasi, Raxaul, Siliguri, Sunauli (Bhairava), Nepalgunj (near Lucknow). Kathmandu climatic condition during August: Temperature 18 - 28 0C. Accommodation facility will be arranged for all registered delegates arriving from outside Kathmandu valley. Indian delegates do not need VISA. However, they have to carry authentic identity proof.
Technical Paper Submission and Proceedings of Science and Scientist – 2017
The organizers invite submission of articles within 5000 words and after a review process the author of selected articles will be intimated for presentation (for those international delegates who cannot come physically to the conference venue an online presentation facility is also arranged) in the conference. All accepted papers will be published in the proceedings of Science and Scientist – 2017. The last date for article submission is 2nd July, 2017.
Please submit your article online at the submissions link given in the conference webpage.
The conference will feature leading scientists from Nepal, India and Western countries, who will deliberate on various topics which will be valuable for developing a better understanding of the “hard” problems of science such as the nature and origin of life and the cosmos, the mind-brain connection, artificial intelligence and cognitive biology which is confirming some of the important concepts of life from the Vedantic perspective. The main theme of the conference is “Working Together Toward a Spiritual Science of the Conscious Self”.Darwinism, or the original theory of evolution proposed by Darwin 150 years ago in his Origin of Species, in which he introduced the idea of natural selection, was laid to rest about a half century ago when it was succeeded by the neo-Darwinian theory involving genetic mutation and natural selection, also known as the modern synthesis. Since then an endless stream of textbooks, courses, media presentations and “genetic toolkits” have been used to indoctrinate students and the public with these ideas causing many to give up their religious conviction in God or the soul as integral to their understanding of life. However, with the advancement of science, especially in the field of biology, more detailed knowledge of the genes and genome have revealed a far more complex dynamic relation between the genome and phoneme and its environment than can be explained by appeal to simple genetic mechanisms. Therefore, French biologist Dr. Didier Raoult concluded:“Genetic research, in particular, must be free to find new models to explain, and enhance, twenty-first-century scientific discovery. Today, Darwin’s theory of evolution is more a hindrance than a help, because it has become a quasi-theological creed that is preventing the benefits of improved research from being fully realized.”Descartes laid the philosophical groundwork for the modern scientific period by separating subjective cognition from objective bodies, thereby also dividing epistemology from ontology reducing knowing to indifferent “observation.” This is the perspective of consciousness and its object, of which material science only imperfectly studies the object. In reality these two are not separated but dialectically related and sublated in the higher comprehending original unity of self-consciousness. Physical scientists fail to study these higher categories of reality and are therefore left with an incomplete understanding of a mere superficial nature that is inadequate to comprehend the core truth. But scientific, rational inquiry will not stop until a comprehensive idea is reached that is coherent with the full range of our knowledge of life. That spectrum of knowledge is not circumscribed merely by chemistry, physics and mathematics. Thus Vedānta-sūtra advises, that you will have to continue your search, athāto brahma jijñāsā, until you reach brahma, the underlying spiritual source, janmādy asya yatah, the fountainhead where all inquiry will reach its purpose. Then beyond knowledge Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam will guide us to the ultimate search – raso vai saḥ, the search for our highest fulfillment, sweetness and love.Modern science, or inquiry into the unknown, had its beginnings in the Christian West because of a faith that Reason or rational principles could be found in God’s creation. It is the task of Science and Scientist – 2017 to understand why modern science today has turned away from and failed to comprehend this Reason in the world, that is similar to the nous that Anaxagoras conceived as ruling the world. Eclipses of the Sun were once predicted using the geocentric epicycles of Ptolemy. They are now described in terms of the heliocentric orbits of Copernicus. Some ancients knew that they could chase away the Moon dog from eating the Sun god whenever they would beat their gongs. Each of these examples have something correct or confirming about them even though they imagine different realities corresponding to them. Newton’s conception of the solar system included God as necessary to guide the alchemical vitality that was intrinsic to the order and movement in the universe. The mathematical bones of Newton’s Principia were abstracted by modern physics and converted into a mechanical model of the universe. The apparently same corresponding observations were used to validate both theories although they referred to very different imagined realities. A map corresponds to an actual terrain and can help one navigate one’s way through the real terrain depending on its accuracy. However, the map can never be considered a substitute for the actual terrain since a two dimensional visual map can never represent the lived actuality that is experienced in a real terrain. A reflection of reality in a mirror may accurately depict the objects being reflected, but one who makes a journey “through the looking glass” will not discover the real world but a wonderland of mere exaggerated imaginations like Lewis Carroll’s Alice did. Atomic Theory and Quantum Theory provide imagined wonderlands that possess some observations or correspondence with true reality. To some degree each is logical, self-consistent and complete, although Gödel would object to either being at the same time consistent and complete.
If we carefully consider what science is doing here, we discover that anthropocentric or egocentric conceptions of reality – reality as it is “for us” or for me – are being erected in place of true reality as it is “by itself and for itself.” In other words, a subjective conception/theory that is “for us” is being erected as a reality “in and for itself” yet is actually opposed to objective reality as it is in and for itself. It seeks and has some correspondence with true reality and if the subjective conception corresponds with the objective reality the truth is considered to have been reached. This is called the correspondence theory of truth. However, there are problems with this as we noted above, in that different theories may have some correspondence with objective observations and yet still refer to different imagined realities. The real problem arises when these different Idols of the Mind [Man-made images/ideas/conceptions that are for us in our subjectivity] are presumed to be outwardly objective and venerated as the True Reality [Reality “as it is” or “by itself and for itself”]. Explanations consist of descriptions in terms of the chosen theories assumed as real, even though they are abstractions from the true reality. Because they are abstractions, they never comprehend the concrete reality they merely represent.Generally the struggle of Science is an outcome of the thinking which never considered the possibility that the logic of reality could actually be contradictory by nature. However in Quantum Physics, it is experimentally observed that subatomic particles display both wave and particle behavior. This implies a contradictory feature is contained in the same object. Similarly in biology, the idea of the integration or unity of consciousness is essential if one wants to comprehend what the true idea of consciousness represents. Science has learned that it cannot ignore the role of the conscious scientist in its exploration of reality even though the realization is still in a very primitive stage as might be expected for any beginner.
The Sri Isopanishad explains that the Complete Whole can produce complete wholes from itself without losing its completeness. Absolute has no restriction as to how many wholes it can produce out of itself. The only restriction comes from the finite awareness and thinking of a finite intellect that tries to determine what the Absolute can or cannot do. The Absolute must always be the result of pure reason based on logic and evidence of an unbiased nature that is not influenced by one-sided beliefs and prejudices.‘Science and Scientist – 2017’ aims at highlighting the fact that modern scientific research and development seem to be leading to a detente between science and the more spiritual ideas of soul and God as found in all world religions. The progress of science continues to leave behind old and outworn ideas and embrace more comprehensive ones that may more adequately express life and its origin. The Spiritual concepts can help modern science to explore the reality of a spiritual conscious self as the foundation of life and all the questions of origin of life and evolution should be viewed from a more spiritual concept. To judge good and bad by our self-centered perspectives will not bring us closer to Truth but entangle us further in the misconception of separate interest. Withdrawing from reality to be with one’s subjective thought alone, is a detachment from the substantial content of True Reality and becomes a conceit or superiority to it. This type of freedom from the content must be given up, and instead of arbitrarily directing the content of one’s own thought one’s freedom should be sunk into and pervade the content of reality, letting thought be directed and controlled by Reality’s own proper nature of which our essential selves are but a part and manifestation. We do not lose anything thereby except our false sense of self [false ego], but rather gain our true identity and real freedom. Free agency does not reside in us as separated from reality, but within true reality itself in which we participate. The comparative studies of different ideas are essential and it will educate and enlighten Science like never before. Religion teaches all to surrender to God, the Supreme Reality, from Whom reason and wisdom originate. Wisdom is not a property of the universe, although we find life and intelligence in Nature. It is a quality of a Person, the Divine Personality of Godhead. Just as consciousness and intelligence pervade our body’s activities, so God’s Personal energy pervades and forms the whole Reality with life and intelligence. Not only does religion teach surrender of our false egos to the true Reality of God, but also teaches us how to learn by attending to revelation of the truth in order to know it, rather than encouraging the tendency impose and project one’s self imaginings onto reality, taking oneself as a separate subjective agent against a passive objectivity that lacks its own agency and ability to reveal itself. Reality as possessing personal agency can reveal Godself to us if we adopt the attentive patience that allows the veils of self-centered egotism to dissolve by practice of meditation, surrender and service. Reality is by itself and for itself, means that the Absolute (God) is its own origin and has its own purposes for itself.
We are looking forward for your early response and active participation in Science and Scientist - 2017 at Kathmandu, Nepal. Thanking you.Your sincerely,Prof. Mohan KharelCentral Department of BiotechnologyTribhuvan University, Kathmandu, Nepal
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Well, I think you are either conceiving modern science incorrectly or intentionally avoiding its metaphysical stand. No scientific literature makes it clear that science is a very limited practice and it cannot address all the problems of human society. Science interferes in all affairs including study of human nature and psychology. When scientists assert that life is dominated by physics and chemistry (say for example a reputed biologist from India Prof. M.R.N. Murthy wrote in his recent email on this list “laws of physics and chemistry dominate life”) then do you expect that we can separate a human act ‘social justice’ from physics and chemistry?
Modern society including education runs on the authority of science and unfortunately governments, bureaucrats and educationists often lack substantial knowledge to separate the scientific bluff from scientific facts. Thus our education and society follows the vision that scientists provide. You are correct that science should be credited for what it has done in the field of technology but that does not give science license to manipulate and doom the human society to barbaric animalistic propensity.
If we are ready to respect scientists and farmers for their role in society then we should also give proper honor for God and His divine gift – ‘mother nature’. Nature is not our property that we can exploit as per our wish. We have to have a vision that can genuinely cultivate respect for every living entity and nature, and I honestly feel that is not possible without a theistic view.
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Dear Shilpi,This is part of a scientific reduction program that not everyone agrees with. In any case it is reduction of the objects and laws of biology to those of chemistry and physics. Ultimately chemistry is also in this manner to be reduced to physics.However, your claim, as I remember was not about this but it was that "physics and chemistry domIinate life." Biology is also science and Crick's remark is at best the domination of physics and chemistry over other sciences.You also questioned earlier "how laws of physics and chemistry are primary and laws of God are not?"I assume that laws of physics and chemistry are primary to explain the domain of the universe that they do explain. Your bottom line, I take it, is that consciousness is beyond the realm of explanation of physics and chemistry. I do not think that all scientists would disagree with this. On this forum, some say that consciousness is not beyond science, others say that consciousness is primary and causally supervenient over the physical world and a whole lot of other views are being expressed. All are plausible perspectives that can be debated.Within each science there are a lot of controversies and the science journals are full of debates on them.For some reason you construct a monolithic picture of science and also assume that there is always a consensus among all scientists about all issues. This is not the case especially with consciousness as we have seen on this forum itself.You continue to insist that science and scientists are controlling and dominating society and our day to day lives. I have asked you to name some scientists, or even doctors, who are in positions of power like Donald Trump and Narendra Modi, whose policies do govern our day to day lives. I am still waiting for this.I fail to understand your misscientist hatred of science. I though many on the spiritual side would rather make the study of consciousness scientific rather than condemn science like you do.Priyedarshi
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It was very nice to hear that you ( This repeats the message sent earlier) and your team members are willing to participate in Science and Scientist 2017 conference that is going to be held in Kathmandu, Nepal. Hence you and you team members are most welcome to visit in our beautiful city Kathmandu and participate in the Conference. We are sure your and your teams' deep and insightful deliberation will definitely enlighten to all of us who are participating in the conference for learning science of consciousness. As usually there used to be no visa problem, we wish to have your own self participation along with your team’s (as much as it is possible); as other members’ participation is equally important for us.
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Dear Professor Shanta,
This simple, logical error Weizsacker made in calculating atomic nuclear energy in July 1935, and Dr. James Chadwick endorsed in receiving a Nobel Prize on 12 Dec 1935:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Nuclear_Energy_Error7.pdf
caused widespread confusion about the origin of the cosmos, solar system and evolution of radioactive debris from a supernova 5 Ga ago into human life on Earth today.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/HIGHER-POWERZ.pdf
Is this an example of SCS (Scientific Criticism of Science)?
With kind regards,
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Dear Professor Priyedarshi Jetli jiNamaskar.
This point has been already addressed on this forum by our institute's funding director Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. Please go through the post "Scientific Critique of Science (SCS)".
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Bhakti Niskama Shanta, Ph.D. Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute+91-(
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Dear Shilpi and Shanta,I think I am being misunderstood. The thrust of my critique is that if spirituality and the study of consciousness is to be studied or promoted as a science or as experiences or through Vedic scriptures, then it should be done positively as there is a lot there to do positively. It should not be pursued polemically or negatively by bashing science as if science is fascist. And there is a further problem as in this bashing of science, some scientist or some theory is taken to be representative of all scientists and all science. This is a simple strawman and will get you nowhere.
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Dear Professor C.L. Prabhakar,
Indeed the theme of this conference is worthy of attention and as I could
understand this is an integrated Scientific approach for acquiring right
knowledge about True reality. Happy to know that you are also interested in
contributing a paper on Aruna prasna in the Fifth International “Science and
Scientist-2017” Conference. I would like to know how the Aruna Prasna explore
the Supremacy of Cause of all causes. Modern science looks for the causes in
chemicals and physical stuff and the occult forces that are intangible to our
senses (tasting, smelling, touching and seeing). It even ignores the causality
that is based on mental dictum and inherent purpose in the background. Your
explanation on ultimate cause will certainly serve as a critique to the
superficial causality that is prominent in modern science.
With Best Regards
Happy at the theme of the conference exploring the theme going deep into the various faculties of knowledge.the conference would be successful by opening new vistas of knowledge.I like to contribute a paper on the knowledge of Science and scientist in the expressions of Yajurveda ,more so the Arunaprasna of Taittiriya Aranyaka. Aruna prasna is exploration of knowledge on Astrophysics, Time, Clouds, Sun stars and the creation mode and supremacy of Purusha the cause for everything inthe universe.regards,.
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Thanking you.Sincerely,
Bhakti Niskama Shanta, Ph.D. Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute+91-(
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Dear Professor Shanta,This simple, logical error Weizsacker made in calculating atomic nuclear energy in July 1935, and Dr. James Chadwick endorsed in receiving a Nobel Prize on 12 Dec 1935:caused widespread confusion about the origin of the cosmos, solar system and evolution of radioactive debris from a supernova 5 Ga ago into human life on Earth today.Is this an example of SCS (Scientific Criticism of Science)?With kind regards,Oliver K, Manuel
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Bhakti Niskama Shanta <b...@scsiscs.org> wrote:
Dear Professor Priyedarshi Jetli jiNamaskar.This point has been already addressed on this forum by our institute's funding director Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. Please go through the post "Scientific Critique of Science (SCS)".
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Dear Shilpi and Shanta,I think I am being misunderstood. The thrust of my critique is that if spirituality and the study of consciousness is to be studied or promoted as a science or as experiences or through Vedic scriptures, then it should be done positively as there is a lot there to do positively. It should not be pursued polemically or negatively by bashing science as if science is fascist. And there is a further problem as in this bashing of science, some scientist or some theory is taken to be representative of all scientists and all science. This is a simple strawman and will get you nowhere.Priyedarshi
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:43 AM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shilpi,
This is part of a scientific reduction program that not everyone agrees with. In any case it is reduction of the objects and laws of biology to those of chemistry and physics. Ultimately chemistry is also in this manner to be reduced to physics.However, your claim, as I remember was not about this but it was that "physics and chemistry domIinate life." Biology is also science and Crick's remark is at best the domination of physics and chemistry over other sciences.You also questioned earlier "how laws of physics and chemistry are primary and laws of God are not?"I assume that laws of physics and chemistry are primary to explain the domain of the universe that they do explain. Your bottom line, I take it, is that consciousness is beyond the realm of explanation of physics and chemistry. I do not think that all scientists would disagree with this. On this forum, some say that consciousness is not beyond science, others say that consciousness is primary and causally supervenient over the physical world and a whole lot of other views are being expressed. All are plausible perspectives that can be debated.Within each science there are a lot of controversies and the science journals are full of debates on them.For some reason you construct a monolithic picture of science and also assume that there is always a consensus among all scientists about all issues. This is not the case especially with consciousness as we have seen on this forum itself.You continue to insist that science and scientists are controlling and dominating society and our day to day lives. I have asked you to name some scientists, or even doctors, who are in positions of power like Donald Trump and Narendra Modi, whose policies do govern our day to day lives. I am still waiting for this.I fail to understand your misscientist hatred of science. I though many on the spiritual side would rather make the study of consciousness scientific rather than condemn science like you do.Priyedarshi
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Dear Professor Priyedarshi Jetli jiNamaskar.You have asked: And please find a quotation from a scientist who says: "laws of physics and chemistry dominate society"Perhaps a good beginning for this quest will be to reflect upon this statement of Francis Crick in Of Molecules and Men:"The ultimate aim of the modern movement in biology is in fact to explain all biology in terms of physics and chemistry"
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Dear Shilpi,
You said that Murthy said that "laws of physics and chemistry dominate life". He may think that science is being overpowering. But I repeat please tell me where a scientist is in top decision making positions in the world and is doing such domination like politicians who are not scientists. And please find a quotation from a scientist who says: "laws of physics and chemistry dominate society". Unless you do this, you are engaging in hearsay rather than truth.Priyedarshi
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi Ji
Well, I think you are either conceiving modern science incorrectly or intentionally avoiding its metaphysical stand. No scientific literature makes it clear that science is a very limited practice and it cannot address all the problems of human society. Science interferes in all affairs including study of human nature and psychology. When scientists assert that life is dominated by physics and chemistry (say for example a reputed biologist from India Prof. M.R.N. Murthy wrote in his recent email on this list “laws of physics and chemistry dominate life”) then do you expect that we can separate a human act ‘social justice’ from physics and chemistry?Modern society including education runs on the authority of science and unfortunately governments, bureaucrats and educationists often lack substantial knowledge to separate the scientific bluff from scientific facts. Thus our education and society follows the vision that scientists provide. You are correct that science should be credited for what it has done in the field of technology but that does not give science license to manipulate and doom the human society to barbaric animalistic propensity.If we are ready to respect scientists and farmers for their role in society then we should also give proper honor for God and His divine gift – ‘mother nature’. Nature is not our property that we can exploit as per our wish. We have to have a vision that can genuinely cultivate respect for every living entity and nature, and I honestly feel that is not possible without a theistic view.
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Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:27 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shilpi,I am afraid that you make the same mistake most postmodernists do, that is to oversimplify matters for your purposes. You mix science with the perceptions of science, especially as they are used by non scientists. Kalam was a scientist, did he say that physcis and chemistry are dictators. How many physicists or chemists say that they have solutions for our problems and how to bring about social justice? One could demand that scientists get involved in bringing about social justice. And the same demand can be made for spiritual and religious leaders. But that is another matter. Scientist, like C. V. Raman, are mainly spending all their time with research, they do not have time to run the world as you accuse them of. Please give me example of one scientist who says that physics and chemistry solves all the problems of the world. You are also mixing education of science with science and scientists. Scientists are not responsible for the education system. Governments, bureaucrats and educationists are responsible for it. Some of these have studied science but are not scientists by any means. Your blanket condemnation of science should also be a condemnation of medicine and treatment that I am sure have saved or prolonged the lives of some of your family members. And it it wasn't for science we would not be communicating through internet.Priyedarshi
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Respected Priyedarshi Ji
Credit also goes to farmers who have realized from their own closeness to the nature that it is God who is the source of these seeds which we are using for cultivation. Rivers, rain, mountains, seeds of different life forms and the entire complex cosmos is a divine gift. Whether one accepts it or not that is another issue, but our intuition gives this genuine impression. I do not buy the stories that scientists narrate that everything is just a manipulation of physics and chemistry of material stuff. To make their stories credible scientist first should produce a mosquito from chemicals in their laboratory. We cannot bluff around on the name of science.According to Vedic scriptures every living entities including bacteria have souls and all of them have the power to uplift their condition but in a human body the soul has more privilege to advance on the spiritual path. Any social structure that denies the human dignity and dooms them to animalistic propensity should be condemned.The unfortunate fact of modern education is that it gives an impression to students that their goal is to simply earn money and have an enjoying materialistic life. That is why everyone wants a comfortable position to satisfy their esteem ego needs and it that practice you cannot find people who wishfully aspire to be a laborer or farmer. Modern society will always treat a peon and an officer differently because that is the gradation that people get on the basis of their academic credential. Modern education does not teach anything about soul and its equality in nature. It does not say anything about the real goal of human life and modern education is completely bereft of spiritual wisdom.How a social justice system can be established where laws of physics and chemistry are primary and not the laws of God?
Thanks with Best Regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:32 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shilpi,Of course credit goes to plants and the farmers know this much better than us without reaching any high level of consciousness. My point is what Swami Vivekananda and other reformists have made. All souls are equal, spiritual freedom requires the infrastructure in which each soul can pursue its own path. This is not possible when social structures are such that many humans are denied their dignity. So, I feel anyone's reaching higher consciousness if futile unless we can have a socially just society. We need to work for that first. For example in ancient Vedantic sociery, from what I have read (though most of our knowledge goes back to the later Vedantic and not the ancient vedantic) education through youth was free and mandatory for all. Boys and girls went to different ashrama but got the same education. Education included farming, cleaning the premises, cooking, reading the Vedas, and by the end defending up to three thesis. This is better than most PhD requirements in India. Perhaps we cannot practically have this today in India. But some sort of a social justice system is needed to provide equal educational and economic opportunity to all.Priyedarshi
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi jiThank you very much Sir for raising your concern.Why a farmer and a factory worker cannot uplift their consciousness? Every human has the potential to inquire about his origin and goal of life and this inquiry is not restricted to scientists and philosophers alone. As described in ‘Padam Puran’, “there are 900,000 species living in the water, 2,000,000 non-moving living entities [stavara] such as tree and plants, 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties and there are only 400,000 human species.According to ‘Brahma Vaivarta Purana’, one attains the human form of life after transmigrating through these 8,000,000 species by the process of gradual evolution of consciousness.Then what should we have to do and how everyone can uplift their consciousness?It is clearly mentioned in Vedanta Sutra (1.1.1), “one should inquire about the Absolute Truth” and try to understand the boon that you now have in this human form of life. The path to understand the Absolute truth is very difficult; it is sharp like a razor’s edge” (Katha Upanishad 1.3.14). That is the opinion of learned transcendental scholars.As you said in your reply that … “Surely, farmers can find time to explore consciousness, but as a rule they don't. They have a rough life.Sir, why you are ready to give credit only to farmers but not to the source of origin of those plants, without which even farmers are helpless and they cannot do any cultivation. As food grains are produced from rains and rains are produced by performance of prescribed duties (BG 3.14).According to Srimad Bhagavad-Gita (BG 3.35), as farmer, worker, philosopher, scientist, soldier even a King (BG 3.20) can uplift ones consciousness by doing one’s prescribed duties. Our position is that we respect everything and at the same time we should remain focused on the goal of human life.As you said that “….We are in a privileged position to explore consciousness and go to conferences because the farmers are doing the dirty work for us in feeding us”.
Sir, it’s also not true for all. Those who have comfortable life and big position in society and highly educated in general the tendency is that their false pride stops them to accept the shelter of Supreme Controller and they are happy to live a self-centred life. But those who are in more humble position, they may be farmers and administrators even some great scientist, they can easily accept the process to uplift their consciousness by gradual process and live a simple God-centred life.In one of your past email you have doubted the existence of Soul and you have asked for the proof of soul existence. And I have asked you the proof of "I" and you have not replied. Do you really think that proof of things are only possible the way scientists conceive in empirically or there are some other way?All suggestions and comments are most welcome.
Thanks with Best Regards
Dr Shilpi Saxena, MRSC, Ph.D, FICCEWomen Scientist-DSTEx-Executive Member of Board of INC-IAH (United Kingdom)University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:22 PM, priyedarshi jetli <pje...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shilpi,I think you have missed my point. We are in a privileged position to explore consciousness and go to conferences because the farmers are doing the dirty work for us in feeding us. Surely there are, I suppose, sadhus who do not eat or those who grow their own food, but these are exceptions. Surely, farmers can find time to explore consciousness, but as a rule they don't. They have a rough life. We dont' have that rough life so we cannot understand. It is not just farmers but also factory workers, construction workers and others without whom we would not comfortably be sitting in our homes and typing on the computers and sharing our views on this forum.Priyedarshi
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Dr Shilpi Saxena <drshilpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Respected Priyedarshi Ji,I appreciate the nice reply of Dr. Kashyap and I want to add the following points
1. Humanitarian point of view itself may be esoteric for farmers and different farmers have their own reason behind cultivation of crops.
2. Scientists think that some biomolecules are the building blocks of life. For them biomolecules are real to understand life. But as explained by Dr. Kashyap, I do not think majority of farmers think that biomolecules are the reality based on which life can be understood.
3. Can humanitarian idea be studied by physics and chemistry alone? What are the physical building blocks of humanitarian idea? If humanitarian idea does not have a physical basis then can we call it unreal?
4. There are farmers who certainly believe that seeds are divine gift and it is not an outcome of human or physical manipulation of matter. They know for sure that they cannot manufacture seeds from soil (chemicals) and seeds come from life (plants). So what is real for scientists is completely different for farmers.
5. So it is wrong to conclude that farmers do not ever get the time to reach the high levels of consciousness. From their own experience of farming they can realize divine. They indeed realize that rain, crops, etc. are divine gifts.
6. Unlike animals, it is human beings who cultivate their food. Animals simply eat and thus the act of farming differentiates us from that of animals.I also wish to draw your attentions towards a very interesting article entitled “Idols of the Mind vs. True Reality” dated December 27, 2015 written by Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D., Please visit the link below:
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My astronomer friend and colleague, Hilton Ratcliffe, has indicated that he too will be unable to travel to Nepal. I have no reply from my former students, Srininasan BalaSubramanian or Marcel Pleess, on their availability to travel to Nepal in August to present the papers (recently combined into a single booklet: https://dl. dropboxusercontent. com/u/10640850/Hidden_Higher_P ower.pdf )
The Sun's pulsar core is the Creator and Sustainer of every atom and life in the solar system, and it still holds these in continuous harmonic vibration with the Sun's regular 40-minute pulse. See references #59 and #60 in the paper sent earlier:
59. Thomson, D.J., Lanzerotti, L.J., Vernon, F.L., Lessard, M.R. and Smith, L.T.P. (2007): Solar modal structure ofthe engineering environment. Proceedings of the IEEE, 95 (5): 1085 - 1132. See also the report in ESA SpaceScience News,Moving to the rhythm of the Sun. http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMJJ YUL05F_index_0.html 60. Toth, P. (1977): Is the Sun a pulsar? Nature, 270: 159-160.Lives of plants and animals are like lives of radioactive atoms for which Becquerel received a Nobel Prize in 1903.
The average life of any species is measurable, but the actual life of any single radioactive atom cannot be predicted.I think it no coincidence that life evolved from highly radioactive debris of the supernova that birthed the solar system.
To celebrate President Trump decision to withdraw the US from the UN's Paris Global Climate Agreement today, the two papers I had sent earlier were combined into a single booklet, "A simple logical error in the minds of humans hid the elegant simplicity of the Creator's Mind for eighty-two years." https://dl. dropboxusercontent. com/u/10640850/Hidden_Higher_P ower.pdf
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Dear Dr Manuel,
Thank you very much for your attention
Science has no idea what the universe is made of and there is also no explanation for how the Big Bang could suddenly arise from nothing or where the energy for inflation (a very short period of rapid growth in the early universe) came from. Furthermore, science does not know ‘what is dark matter’ and ‘what is dark energy’, yet they account for 95% of the energy content of the universe. Ignoring that entire headache of cosmologists, we also know that confirmation bias is the effect where scientists tend to construe data in a manner that leads to a selection of data that they feel authenticates their current beliefs. Your present stand seems to be an outcome of that confirmation bias because you seem to ignore completely the questions that are being raised. We do not see in nature where unseen waves or subatomic stuff getting assembled into nucleuses and atoms. We know that there are atoms but we do not have any justification for the view that atoms can arrange themselves somehow to create all the complex organic stuff that we see in all the living organisms. Even if we agree that somehow the complex molecules came from some permutation and combinations of atoms, still it does not say how those molecules can assemble themselves into a living cell. More bizarre is the claim that somehow first cell appeared from the push and pulls of atoms and then that cell transformed into all different life forms. At least some sanity is necessary in such radical claims and we do not even see that among those who are only busy in imagining castle in the sky. It may be so that an atom may have its own dormant life and it may be also true that the celestial objects like Earth, Sun, Moon, etc. are indeed personalities. Forget about Sun, even all life forms produce so many atoms, even a cell does that. But, we ignore in modern science the spiritual self in the living organisms and focus on just chemical stuff that their bodies made of. Similarly science does not see the spiritual life principle that is the basis of entire reality.
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Dear Dr Oliver,
I am indeed looking forward to meet you at Kathmandu and we can share our views on this subject during 'Science and Scientist – 2017'Conference. I feel Science and Scientist annual conference is a unique platform that provides scope for the scientists to express their honest views without any prejudices.
I have no problem to accept your belief that the celestial object Sun indeed has a personality and he may chant AUM (ॐ) sound and can provide insight and knowledge of creativity to human beings. The sloka 4.1 of Bhagavad-gita supports the same view, where it is stated that the Origin of everything, Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna reveals that
sri-bhagavan uvaca imam
vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave 'bravit
Translation: The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku.
Regarding the origin of Neutron I am not sure whether any such real entity called neutron really exists and even if we assume that it exists, we cannot pick such an entity on the tip of a needle to analyze the same in isolation from all other stuff. So it is highly contentious to contemplate about the origin of such a spurious entity. I have asked in my earlier email that what kind of magic can bring so many protons together in a nucleus of elements with higher atomic number. But I have not received any answers from you and other members on this list. Perhaps no one knows the clear answer for the same and yet we believe that somehow they came together by evolution and binding energy keeps them intact.
That is the kind of naive scientific rationality that we practice and yet we claim the superiority of our scientific methodology over other branches of knowledge like arts, philosophy and religion. I am asking all of those who believe the evolution the following straight questions:
If evolution is the cause of everything then
1. Why all the atoms of different elements of periodic table monotonically follow only a single pattern where there is a nucleolus containing protons and neutrons, and electrons move around nucleus? If evolution is true then there can be unlimitedly many other patterns for atoms. Evolution could have produced many types of atoms which can follow different patterns of arrangements than the monolithic pattern for atom that we portray.
2. Why there are only two charges (positive and negative) and not many more (you can give the names whatever you like to those charges)?
3. Why a magnet has only two poles and not many?
4. Why there are only five senses (eye for sensing the colour, ear for sound, tongue for taste, skin for touch and nose for smell) and not many more?
5. Why cell division is the only way of organic growth and not many other means?
6. Why male and female originated for procreation? Why not so many other means of procreation manifested by evolution?
7. And many such questions we can ask that invalidate the inconsiderate idea of evolution.
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Dear Shilpi,
Please call me kashyap. I have been reading your e-mails which raised lot of purely physics questions. All scientists will admit that ,since science deals purely with sensory data, it has some limitations. However as a person who spent more than 60 years in learning and teaching physics, I have to say that as far as sensory world is concerned, science dominates the scene. Cell phone in your pocket is a clear indication of that. Science has not made any progress about consciousness. So as I mentioned in my article, I am closely interested in debate about what Vedas say about all this. About pure physics questions, I wanted to reply earlier, but I was waiting for Dr. Oliver’s answer. In the meantime, David Marjanovic answered many of these questions. I agree with most of the answers. But I will add some general remarks. I hope, you will not be offended. I understand you are a philosopher. As you know, scientific process is like this. Experimentalists collect data. Theorists make models (in physics these models are mostly mathematical). These are hotly debated in papers and scientific society meetings. If the models explain large number of data, it becomes a theory and a consensus about the correctness of the theory develops. This does not mean some doubters do not remain. In fact science thrives on controversies and these are healthy for science. I have not read Dr. Oliver’s papers. But many of these questions (about neutrons and protons) have been settled for decades and decades. Although protons repel each other by electromagnetic (coulomb) force) once they are closer than some short distance (roughly 10^(-13) cm), there is a an attractive force, called strong interaction. This keeps the nucleus bound. In fact this is the central problem when physicists try to get controlled thermonuclear fusion. , i.e. keep protons and neutrons close enough for substantial time to cause fusion reaction and get more energy out of that process than what you put in! Anyway, protons are always fighting to get out. When there are many protons, the nucleus starts becoming unstable resulting in radioactivity. The phenomena of radioactivity, beta decay etc. are well understood ( the so called weak force) In fact Nobel prize was given for a theory of unification of weak and electromagnetic forces. Dr. Oliver is welcome to his alternative model. There should not be any censorship in science. But he will have to convince lot of nuclear physicists. This is called peer review process. Convincing philosophers or Vedantins in this forum will not be sufficient. After you have discussion with Dr. Oliver, we can perhaps return to these issues in September or so.
As for Sun emitting sound of AUM he has to quote experimental data. Sun does emit lot of waves in addition to our usual light and they can be measured.
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Dear Professor David,
Thank you for your clarification and I honestly confess that most of your answers are rather ambiguous.
> > Regarding the origin of Neutron I am not sure whether any such real
entity called neutron really exists and even if we assume that it exists, we
cannot pick such an entity on the tip of a needle to analyze the same in
isolation from all other stuff.
Your response: Oh, we can. Not on the tip of a literal needle, but in a magnetic field. It has been done repeatedly. Indeed, an experiment has been done where a single neutron was dropped a few micrometers and its fall was watched (again by magnetic fields, not by light); rather than continuously, it fell stepwise, confirming the hypothesis that gravity is within the purview of quantum physics.
Wikipedia has a whole article just on neutron detection!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_detection
My reply: What we can watch in
magnetic field is whether a particle’s spin is affected by the magnetic field
or not. But that does not give any information about the real ontology of that
particle. How do we know that a neutron is indeed a separate ontological entity
than that of proton and electron, or it is simply a capsule containing proton
and electron tightly? Based on the observations about the effect of magnetic
field on neutron, it seems rather inane to conclude that gravity can be reduced
to quantum physics. What is the basis to think that gravity is indeed discrete
rather than continuous? It is like claiming that when you jump from a height,
you are sometime freely falling down and sometime you are hanging in the air
(or even going up?).
When I have told that a magical thing can only bring so many protons together
in a nucleus, you tried to deny that magic by a few new names “strong
interaction”, “four fundamental interaction” and “quantum chromodynamics”. But
I do not see how those names you cite can unravel the magic that I have pointed
out. Can someone use the laws of “strong interaction”/“four fundamental
interaction”/“quantum chromodynamics” and show a case where we can precisely
pick isolated neutrons, protons and electrons and from a gold atom and from
many such gold atoms a gold biscuit? Again the same question: if there is an
evolution that is causing everything then why there are four fundamental forces
and not many more fundamental forces. Also you seem to be unaware of cases
where the word evolution is used for non-biological entities and I therefore
want to bring your attention to the such literature which consistently uses the
word evolution for everything including our universe
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7042/edsumm/e050602-01.html .
If you think that it is misleading to use evolution for everything then please publish a rebuttal in high standard journal to stop such publications in future scientific literature.
>> 1. Why all the atoms of different
elements of periodic table monotonically follow only a single pattern where
there is a nucleolus containing protons and neutrons, and electrons move around
nucleus?
Your response: The strong interaction and electromagnetism together determine
this completely and leave no other options.
My reply: Why evolution is restricted by strong interaction and electromagnetism? Evolution can find forever new ways to eliminate constraints.
>> Evolution could have produced many types of atoms
Your response: Atoms do not reproduce, so they do not inherit with
modification; in short, they cannot evolve.
My reply: That is rather vague
and partial vision of evolution that you carry in your mind. Evolution is not a
copyright of biologists alone and in fact scientists in almost all fields of
science use the word “evolution” as a magic wand to explain their own ideas
about different origins. What you have to say about “chemical evolution”
concept that is often used in origin of life studies and for example this claim
in the paper https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810237/
“Molecular evolution from simple inorganic compounds would occur in order of
physical evolution, chemical evolution, and biochemical evolution to produce
biologically important organic compounds, such as amino acids and
peptides.”
>> 2. Why there are only two charges
(positive and negative) and not many more (you can give the names whatever you
like to those charges)?
Your response: Gravity has only one charge (mass), the strong interaction has
three charges (called "red", "green" and "blue"
for metaphorical purposes), so perhaps electromagnetism is just what we call
the one that has two charges? Admittedly, the weak interaction has two charges
as well (sometimes called "orange" and "purple" for metaphorical
purposes), but the weak interaction is closely related to electromagnetism –
the two become a single interaction at extremely high temperatures.
My reply: This explanation of
your is rather ridiculous and I am not sure what type of definition of charge
you have in your mind but I have written my point on the basis of standard
definition of charge. The Wikipedia definition of charge is as follow
“Electric charge is the physical property of matter that causes it to
experience a force when placed in an electromagnetic field. There are two types
of electric charges: positive and negative (commonly carried by protons and
electrons respectively). Like charges repel and unlike attract. An absence of
net charge is referred to as neutral. An object is negatively charged if it has
an excess of electrons, and is otherwise positively charged or
uncharged.”
>> 3. Why a magnet has only two poles and
not many?
Your response: That is the same question. Electricity and magnetism are the
same; magnetic attraction/repulsion is electrostatic attraction/repulsion. This
is due to Einstein's relativity – I'll explain it tomorrow after looking some
details up.
My reply: That is rather simple presumption. I will wait for your explanation
but mean while you can read: https://thenextgalaxy.com/difference-between-electricity-and-magnetism/
“magnetism is a phenomenon that is produced as a byproduct of electricity. When
electric charges begin to move, this is when magnetism takes place. But what
many do not know about magnetism is that it also possesses a duality. Magnetic
poles are created when electrical charges move in one direction or the other.”
>> 4. Why there are only five senses (eye
for sensing the colour, ear for sound, tongue for taste, skin for touch and
nose for smell) and not many more?
Your response: There are, of course, many more senses. It is silly to call "touch" a single sense. We have separate types of nerve endings, of sense organs, in the skin to sense damage, acid, pressure, several different ranges of temperature, and so on. They have different shapes and sizes; this has long been known.
Perhaps similarly, taste could be considered eight senses (salty, sweet,
acidic, bitter, umami, fat, cilantro, Stevia), all detected by separate kinds
of tastebuds. You'll notice that many people lack one or both of the last two.
Cats (in the widest sense) also lack the sense for sweetness (sugar tastes
nothing but slightly bitter to them), and whales/dolphins as well as seals/sea
lions/walruses have additionally lost one of the others, I forgot which one.
Smell is hundreds of separate senses: each smell is detected by a separate type
of nerve cell in the nose that expresses a separate receptor encoded by a
separate gene. (Hundreds of such genes have, in fact, been found in the human
genome.) It is very rare that two different substances bind to the same
receptor and thus smell the same; nitrobenzene and benzaldehyde are an example.
Conversely, most vertebrates have a sense vaguely related to hearing that uses
a network of slime canals in the skin (the lateral-line organ) to detect
low-frequency water vibrations. This only works in water, so we don't have it.
Most vertebrates also have a sense that detects electric fields in water or
moist soil; again, we lack it.
My reply: You may be sometime angry and sometime peaceful. That does not mean that you become two different individuals due to an exhibition of those two different subjective natures. Similarly we can see many colours using our eyes but that does not lead us to conclude that we have many eyes (senses). It seems you do not make any distinction between senses and sense objects (what senses sense), but such a stand is rather absurd.
>> 5. Why cell division is the only way of
organic growth and not many other means?
Your response: Cells can and often do grow without dividing – but there are
practical limits to how large a cell can grow.
My reply: My point is very simple: Why all life is dependent on cell and not beyond cell? Why evolution could not find means beyond the cellular principles?
>> 6. Why male and female originated for
procreation? Why not so many other means of procreation manifested by
evolution?
Your response: Many other means have, in fact, evolved. The basic method is to have no sexes at all and reproduce by cell division alone. At the other extreme, many slime molds have more than two sexes, up to twenty-three if I remember correctly; each sex can make offspring with each other sex, which has certain advantages over the two-sex system where half of the population is excluded as potential partners in reproduction. Hermaphroditism (two sexes, but each found in the same individual, as in snails/slugs) is another solution to the same problem. – Many species use different modes of procreation under different conditions, because they have different advantages and disadvantages.
As so often, I recommend starting on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction
My reply: There is a whole lot of confusion that exists when we use the same term for unicellular and multicellular entities. Biologists use the definition of species differently for unicellular and multicellular entities, and it must be same for indentifying the sexes. The literature is highly confusing. Biologists claim that higher species like animals and human beings evolved from unicellular organisms and if that is the case then your view “The basic method is to have no sexes at all and reproduce by cell division alone.” is reverse evolution. Against the chronology of evolution that is portrayed in biology, to have the kind of advantage that you propose the unicellular beings must originate from multicellular organisms.
>> 7. And many such questions we can ask
that invalidate the inconsiderate idea of evolution.
Your response: Please keep asking – so far your idea of what the theory of
evolution is seems very strange to me.
My reply: Your idea of evolution also seems quite strange and you may revise the same by doing a good literature survey. And there is always an option open where you can write a good rebuttal to change the view of evolution that is commonly used in scientific literature.
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> Regarding the origin of Neutron I am not sure whether any such real entity called neutron really exists and even if we assume that it exists, we cannot pick such an entity on the tip of a needle to analyze the same in isolation from all other stuff.
Oh, we can. Not on the tip of a literal needle, but in a magnetic field. It has been done repeatedly. Indeed, an experiment has been done where a single neutron was dropped a few micrometers and its fall was watched (again by magnetic fields, not by light); rather than continuously, it fell stepwise, confirming the hypothesis that gravity is within the purview of quantum physics.
Wikipedia has a whole article just on neutron detection!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_detection
> I have asked in my earlier email that what kind of magic can bring so many protons together in a nucleus of elements with higher atomic number.
It's not magic, it's called the strong interaction:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_interaction
It is one of the four fundamental interactions in nature:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction
and is fully described by the theory of quantum chromodynamics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chromodynamics
> Perhaps no one knows the clear answer for the same and yet we believe that somehow they came together by evolution and binding energy keeps them intact.
Evolution?
> If evolution is the cause of everything
But of course it isn't, misleading uses of the word for several completely different things aside.
> 1. Why all the atoms of different elements of periodic table monotonically follow only a single pattern where there is a nucleolus containing protons and neutrons, and electrons move around nucleus?
The strong interaction and electromagnetism together determine this completely and leave no other options.
> Evolution could have produced many types of atoms
Atoms do not reproduce, so they do not inherit with modification; in short, they cannot evolve.
> 2. Why there are only two charges (positive and negative) and not many more (you can give the names whatever you like to those charges)?
Gravity has only one charge (mass), the strong interaction has three charges (called "red", "green" and "blue" for metaphorical purposes), so perhaps electromagnetism is just what we call the one that has two charges? Admittedly, the weak interaction has two charges as well (sometimes called "orange" and "purple" for metaphorical purposes), but the weak interaction is closely related to electromagnetism – the two become a single interaction at extremely high temperatures.
> 3. Why a magnet has only two poles and not many?
That is the same question. Electricity and magnetism are the same; magnetic attraction/repulsion is electrostatic attraction/repulsion. This is due to Einstein's relativity – I'll explain it tomorrow after looking some details up.
> 4. Why there are only five senses (eye for sensing the colour, ear for sound, tongue for taste, skin for touch and nose for smell) and not many more?
There are, of course, many more senses. It is silly to call "touch" a single sense. We have separate types of nerve endings, of sense organs, in the skin to sense damage, acid, pressure, several different ranges of temperature, and so on. They have different shapes and sizes; this has long been known.
Perhaps similarly, taste could be considered eight senses (salty, sweet, acidic, bitter, umami, fat, cilantro, Stevia), all detected by separate kinds of tastebuds. You'll notice that many people lack one or both of the last two. Cats (in the widest sense) also lack the sense for sweetness (sugar tastes nothing but slightly bitter to them), and whales/dolphins as well as seals/sea lions/walruses have additionally lost one of the others, I forgot which one.
Smell is hundreds of separate senses: each smell is detected by a separate type of nerve cell in the nose that expresses a separate receptor encoded by a separate gene. (Hundreds of such genes have, in fact, been found in the human genome.) It is very rare that two different substances bind to the same receptor and thus smell the same; nitrobenzene and benzaldehyde are an example.
Conversely, most vertebrates have a sense vaguely related to hearing that uses a network of slime canals in the skin (the lateral-line organ) to detect low-frequency water vibrations. This only works in water, so we don't have it. Most vertebrates also have a sense that detects electric fields in water or moist soil; again, we lack it.
> 5. Why cell division is the only way of organic growth and not many other means?
Cells can and often do grow without dividing – but there are practical limits to how large a cell can grow.
> 6. Why male and female originated for procreation? Why not so many other means of procreation manifested by evolution?
Many other means have, in fact, evolved. The basic method is to have no sexes at all and reproduce by cell division alone. At the other extreme, many slime molds have more than two sexes, up to twenty-three if I remember correctly; each sex can make offspring with each other sex, which has certain advantages over the two-sex system where half of the population is excluded as potential partners in reproduction. Hermaphroditism (two sexes, but each found in the same individual, as in snails/slugs) is another solution to the same problem. – Many species use different modes of procreation under different conditions, because they have different advantages and disadvantages.
As so often, I recommend starting on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction
> 7. And many such questions we can ask that invalidate the inconsiderate idea of evolution.
Please keep asking – so far your idea of what the theory of evolution is seems very strange to me.
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