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I have created an issue on the ogms tracker for this topic:
https://code.google.com/p/ogms/issues/detail?id=80
Barry, can you please place 'disease course subtyping' on the agenda for the ICBO OGMS workshop:
http://ncorwiki.buffalo.edu/index.php/OGMS_Workshop
I don't have much intuition as to how these subtypes are used clinically, but regarding the profile of the disease course (read: the way a disease manifestation can unfold) it seems to be relative to some reference...but it might be quite challenging to spell out what this reference really is. For example, taking the term SARS at face value Severe *ACUTE* Respiratory Syndrome...is probably rapid onset relative to other respiratory diseases, not an acute version of a non-acute disease course.
I am involved in a clinical metadata working group with Chris Stoeckert that involves the NIAID funded Genome Sequencing Centers and Bioinformatics Resource Centers. We had a discussion about the use of "symptom onset" as one of our required data fields and ended up deciding to use OGMS "disease course" instead, which prompted me to take a look at our definitions. These are the ones I pulled out of Ontobee; not sure if they are current.Disease course - The totality of all processes through which a given disease instance is realized.Acute disease course - A disease course with a rapid onset but typical unfolding of signs and symptoms after this rapid onset.Chronic disease course - A disease course that (a) does not terminate in a return to normal homeostasis and (b) would, absent intervention, fall within abnormal homeostatic range.Progressive disease course - A disease course that (a) does not terminate in a return to normal homeostasis and (b) would, absent intervention, involve an increasing deviation from homeostasis.Transient disease course - A disease course that terminates in a return to normal homeostasis.During our discussion we realized that there was a distinction between the onset of disease and the course of the disease, and that basing distinctions on the rate of onset is problematic since at one point in time the disease/disease realization/symptom does not exist and at the next point in time it does exist; "onset" pe rse is instantaneous. We might want to talk about rapid realization/progression of a disease course. Indeed, I think that transient, chronic and progressive disease courses can all start with an initial rapid phase. Maybe when we use the term "onset", we are refer to an initial period of time of some sort, rather than an initiating event. At a minimum, this would need to be clarified.That being said, I think the definition of acute disease course is problematic. If you were to poll relevant stakeholder, including clinicians, I expect that any examples of acute disease would be consistent with our definition of transient disease course.Thus I would propose the following:
- The current acute disease course should be removed.
- Acute disease course should be listed as a synonym to transient disease course with the current definition of transient disease course used.
- That we add a new term "disease course part" as a sibling of disease course, that could be defined as - a temporal stage of a disease course.
- That we add a new term "disease course onset" which would be a child of disease course part, that could be defined as – the initial stage of a disease course. (Convalescence could be another type of disease course part.)
- That "acute disease onset" be added as a child of disease course onset, defined as – a disease onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively rapidly in comparison with a canonical disease course.
Cheers,Richard--------------------------------------------Richard H. Scheuermann, Ph.D.Director of InformaticsJ. Craig Venter Institute10355 Science Center Dr.San Diego, CA 92121
Hi Richard,your suggestions sound reasonable, but I am not so sure it is a good idea to rely upon the existence of "typical" or "canonical" disease courses. It would be quite difficult to define this in a way that is computable, and it seems to me that "acute" should be defined purely on the basis of temporal aspects. There are diseases that are always "acute", so that the clause "progress relatively rapidly in comparison with a canonical disease course." would mean that this group of acute onset diseases would not be identified as acute by your definition.
1. Disease course phase – a temporal part of a disease course
1.1. Disease course onset – the initial phase of the disease course
1.1.1. Acute onset - a disease course onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively rapidly in comparison with other disease courses of similar type
1.1.2. Insidious onset - a disease course onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively slowly in comparison with other disease courses of similar type
1.2. Terminal disease course phase – the final phase of a disease course
1.2.1. Cure – the terminal phase of a disease course in which the underlying disorder has been eliminated
1.2.2. Death by disease - the terminal phase of a disease course in which the organism is no longer considered to be alive caused in part by the disease
2. Disease course - The totality of all processes through which a given disease instance is realized.
2.1. Chronic disease course - A disease course that (a) does not terminate in a return to normal homeostasis and (b) would, absent intervention, fall within an abnormal homeostatic range.
2.1.1. Chronic disease course with acute onset – a chronic disease course with an acute disease onset. (inferred)
2.1.2. Chronic disease course with insidious onset – a chronic disease course with an insidious disease onset. (inferred)
2.2. Transient disease course - A disease course that terminates in a return to normal homeostasis.
2.2.1. Transient disease course with acute onset – a transient disease course with an acute disease onset. (inferred)
2.2.2. Transient disease course with insidious onset – a transient disease course with an insidious disease onset. (inferred)
2.3. Progressive disease course - A disease course that (a) does not terminate in a return to normal homeostasis and (b) would, absent intervention, involve an increasing deviation from homeostasis.
2.3.1. Progressive disease course with acute onset – a progressive disease course with an acute disease onset (inferred)
2.3.2. Progressive disease course with insidious onset – a progressive disease course with an insidious disease onset (inferred)
2.3.3. Fatal disease course – A progressive disease course that terminates in the death of the organism caused in part by the disease.
2.3.3.1. Fatal disease course with acute onset – a fatal disease course with an acute disease onset. (inferred)
2.3.3.2. Fatal disease course with insidious onset – a fatal disease course with an insidious disease onset. (inferred)
Here is an extension of my initial proposal. I tried to incorporate some of the comments in this email stream and added a couple of new concepts. Note that this is about defining types and parts of disease courses; it is not intended as a classification of diseases.Cheers,Richard1. Disease course phase – a temporal part of a disease course
1.1. Disease course onset – the initial phase of the disease course
1.1.1. Acute onset - a disease course onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively rapidly in comparison with other disease courses of similar type
1.1.2. Insidious onset - a disease course onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively slowly in comparison with other disease courses of similar type
1.2. Terminal disease course phase – the final phase of a disease course
1.2.1. Cure – the terminal phase of a disease course in which the underlying disorder has been eliminated
1.2.2. Death by disease - the terminal phase of a disease course in which the organism is no longer considered to be alive caused in part by the disease
THis looks good. Might it best be packaged as a module (Disease Course Ontology?) extending OGMS, rather than as part of OGMS itself.See minor comments inline below.On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Scheuermann, Richard <RScheu...@jcvi.org> wrote:Here is an extension of my initial proposal. I tried to incorporate some of the comments in this email stream and added a couple of new concepts. Note that this is about defining types and parts of disease courses; it is not intended as a classification of diseases.Cheers,Richard1. Disease course phase – a temporal part of a disease course
1.1. Disease course onset – the initial phase of the disease course
1.1.1. Acute onset - a disease course onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively rapidly in comparison with other disease courses of similar type
1.1.2. Insidious onset - a disease course onset in which signs and symptoms progress relatively slowly in comparison with other disease courses of similar type
1.2. Terminal disease course phase – the final phase of a disease course
1.2.1. Cure – the terminal phase of a disease course in which the underlying disorder has been eliminated
There is another (better?) sense of 'cure' as in 'the cure was to take 12 tablets a day for 3 weeks'.What you seem to be defining here is 'terminal phase of response to successful treatment'
1.2.2. Death by disease - the terminal phase of a disease course in which the organism is no longer considered to be alive caused in part by the disease
why go all epistemological suddenly with this 'considered to be'?ontologically, death by disease would just be: the terminal phase of a disease course in which death is caused by the disease