Bridgeport Mill

[Matt Lloyd]

Some of you are aware of this already, and apologies to the rest of the group for not getting this mentioned on here sooner.

I'm happy to announce we are buying a Bridgeport Mill for £240!

Now this a large tool and investment for the hackspace. But a great addition to our metal working facilities.

Normally such a large tool purchase would go to the membership first, but this was such a good deal the board agreed we should just go for it.

These machine's usually go on ebay for anything between £700-£2,000.

It will need some parts to get fully running and its is going to take some money to get it over to the hackspace, the machine is currently in Loughborough.

We were originally offered second dib's on this, but the other interested buyer has now dropped out and I confirmed we are still interested this afternoon. 

We now need to arrange transport. 

In one lump the mill weighs about 1 ton. 

I can break this down in several part but they will still weigh quite a bit.

Im confident that it can be moved with a pallet truck, a Luton van with tail lift, and some burley hackers. 

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[Marcus]

Wow.  Awesome :-)

[Joe Duckhouse]

YES!!

Good work Matt.

Im happy to carry heavy things and drive a rental van if needed.

This is going to be great!

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[Iain Sharp]

Nice one. Thanks Matt.

Iain

[Kai Pays]

Happy to help with the lugging about.

[Ric Briney]

Awesome, been thinking for ages we could do with one of these at the space!

[Andrew Thorpe]

If I'm not working I'll likely be free to help move heavy things :D

[Warren Rockley]

I plan on getting a bit of use out of this so I will make myself available for whatever is needed.

[Matthew Gates]

Excellent news!

[Dylan Swift]

In one lump the mill weighs about 1 ton. 

Does anyone know if the floor of the Hackspace is strong enough?

Dylan

 

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[Dominic Morrow]

It'll be fine. 

[Matt Lloyd]

The floor will be fine, we may mount the Bridgeport on some joists/board to spread the load if need.

I'm going to peak under the floor boards on sunday to confirm the building construction, I think its timber joists over concrete joist 

I have a few machine movers to contact but if prices are to high we will go with hiring a lunton and pallet truck 

If we are moving it our selves I would like to arrange collection for Saturday 8th December.

Joe you said you would be happy to help with van hire? I suspect it's going to have to be a weekend hire, collecting the van Sat morning and return monday morning as i doubt we could get a van back for a return time of 1pm

 

 

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[Joe Duckhouse]

Im only free in the morning that weekend.

The following saturday I can help all day.

I get discount with enterprise, but they dont do luton vans.

Shopping around it looks like it'll cost us around £70-80 for day hire or £200 for the weekend for a luton with lift.

Plus £200 deposit.

Where is it now? Could we do an early start and get it shifted in a morning?

[Matt Lloyd]

Its only down in Loughborough LE11 1JP

It's currently sitting out side on a pallet under tarps, I prefer to collect sooner rather than later.

Joe could you do a friday?

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[Wendy]

What does it do?

[Martin Raynsford]

I assume it's just a milling machine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milling_machine

[Adrian Godwin]

Makes swarf. Really well.

[Joe Duckhouse]

Not this month, work.

Could potentially do an evening? Monday tuesday wednesday evenings should be ok?

[Dominic Morrow]

I'd help but I'm not available until the week after next. There must be others who can help, we have 130 members but it's often the same faces. 

Who can drive a big van? Who can get a day off or help Matt on a weekend?

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[Spencer Owen]

I would be happy to help, but I'm off to Essex this weekend.

Spencer

[Warren Rockley]

I can drive a big van and am available tomorrow.

[Matt Lloyd]

I'm looking at next Saturday the 8th not tomorrow.

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[Matt Lloyd]

Joe 

I was looking at northgate for hire. They are open Saturday's 8:30 till 12:00

Mill is in Loughborough just off a60 google says 15miles 30mins ish

Problem is i'm not sure how long it going to take to disassemble. 

Rough time estimate for a day would be

10 mins to collect van (paperwork, if we're outside there door for 8:30)

35 mins to get to Loughborough 

??? mins dissemble and loading

35 mins to hackspace 

20 mins unloading 

20 mins to return van

15 mins before van hire closes(for good measure)

2:15 hours plus dismantle/loading

Oh and assuming we can hire pallet truck form northgate and don't have to go trekking elsewhere. 

Cutting it find on the 3.5 hour hire window gives 45 mins to dismantle/load. 

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On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:31, Joe Duckhouse <cong...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Warren Rockley]

I am at London Hackspace next Saturday. Your times look VERY optimistic Matt, I am the most positive person and I still think not doable in the times you have quoted.
Most hire firms let you return the van outside the opening hours, is that not the case here?

[Matt Lloyd]

Yes they were my best case times.

Hence my original plan was a weekend hire, where we collect van Saturday morning have all day Saturday to dismantle if need and could offload Sunday if needed. 

We could collect van late Friday and return Saturday and still only be a 1 day hire but still close on times. 

I don't think anyone allows out of hours return these days. 

 

Form northgate for Luton with tail lift:-
One day hire £65

Weekend hire £130

Northgate need a few days notice for van hire, so I would like to get things arranged early in the week. 

Can anyone help with the hire and driving? I know it's a pain having to park up a van over the weekend and return Monday morning. 

I spoke to a machine moving company and they wanted £450!! so really want to move this with hackspace members help. 

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[Joe Duckhouse]

Just in case people are holding back due to licences. 

You can drive a 3.5t Luton box van (with lift) on a standard car driving licence. If you passed before 1997 you can also drive up to 7.5t. 

There must be someone else who can drive?

It would be a massive shame to leave it outside for another week or spend all that money on a mover. 

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[Adrian Godwin]

Could you disassemble earlier in the week, before hiring the van ? It would give you more time on the day, and also give you the chance to plan the actual loading (that 375kg column's got to be moved to the tail lift somehow).

-adrian

[DPS - LWK]

I'm told its currently sat on a pallet outside, I intend to load the other bits onto pallets as it broken down, then they can be just rolled on and off the tail lift.
I might be able to get Thu or Fri off work but would still need another 2/3 people to help with the heavy lifting as we dismantle it.

Matt

[Dominic Morrow]

The reason I'm not jumping forward is because:

1. I've lost (as in stolen) my photo park of my licence making hire tricky until its replaced 

2. I'm on a training course in Birmingham till the 7th. 

I'll get the paperwork for a replacement licence ASAP but feat it won't be soon enough. 

Dominic 

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[David Clarke]

I'm available to help / drive, and free during the week but next Saturday only until 12

[russellh]

I'm available to drive, licensed to 7.5T, and available, but won't be able to help with lifting.

RussellH 

[Dominic Morrow]

Me and my little van can be available to move me and another person to help shift stuff on Saturday 8th

[Jacob Walker]

I'd love to help with dismantling and carrying and the like, but I may not be much help because I can't drive a van.

[Dominic Morrow]

A Luton van will seat 3 people including driver.

[David Hayward]

I'm free to do lifting just about any day after next Thursday. I do have a drivers license too, though haven't driven in a very long time, and nothing larger than a transit van. I'd be very wary of driving a Luton.

Given how cheaply we're getting the mill, I don't think an extra day or so of van hire is that big an issue.

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[David Clarke]

Actually, is a Luton-bodied 35cwt the best vehicle to use?

Does anyone have contacts at a builders' merchants?

Could one of their trucks with a hiab lift (think 1tonne bags of gravel / sand) be hired with a driver to pick up and drop (not literally!) off at the space?

David Clarke.

[DPS - LWK]

Ok might have a different plan just been in touch with a different machine movers.

Thanks to artag for the pointer.
Quick quote was £160 to move the machine

This would be moved in one lump and we could dismantle at the space and move upstairs at our leisure.


Matt

[Dominic Morrow]

Okay it's seems like a good price to me. 

[Matt Lloyd]

Yes £160 to get it inside the bizspace loading bay on the opposite corner of the building. 

Weekend van was £130 plus fuel. 

This would may require one or two of us to supervise loading and unloading. But we can dismantle close to home and our tools. 

 

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[James Hayward]

Looks like a no brainer to me!

[Andy Harsley]

I've had a bit of experience with moving big machines, and I wouldn't underestimated the difficulty. A Hiab lorry is by far the best bet.

If you're going to try and strip it down, it may not be as simple as it sounds. A couple of strong people can just about manage 75kg safely, but you might struggle to get more than that around some of the parts, especially inside the van. I'd suggest taking an engine crane and loads of ratchet straps. Just getting the motor off the top looks tricky - 35-50kg at head height??

Machine skates also exist for a purpose - can anybody borrow some? - they may come in useful. (Mine are available (and a crane) but they're in Grantham and I won't be over until the 9th.)

Another way of doing this is to lean the mill into the back of the van on a pallet, then lift the bottom end up with a crane. The van will take most of the weight. (I've moved 300kg machines this way by myself.) Sliding it into/out of the van can be done with some ropes and teamwork, though a forklift is better. Some big levers and rollers would also be useful.

If you can delay a week I can bring over some equipment next Sunday.

andy

[Hazel]

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Matt Lloyd <dps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We could collect van late Friday and return Saturday and still only be a 1
> day hire but still close on times.
>
> I don't think anyone allows out of hours return these days.
>
> Form northgate for Luton with tail lift:-
> One day hire £65
> Weekend hire £130
> Northgate need a few days notice for van hire, so I would like to get things
> arranged early in the week.
>
> Can anyone help with the hire and driving? I know it's a pain having to park
> up a van over the weekend and return Monday morning.
>
> I spoke to a machine moving company and they wanted £450!! so really want to
> move this with hackspace members help.

I can borrow a large van (a Peugeot Boxer) from work for a weekend if
said van is available (I'd need to book it), and just have to
reimburse fuel at a rate of 15p/mile, but it won't be one with a tail
lift.

I don't know if that's any good to you.

[Hazel]

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Hazel <ha...@meddlingmojo.com> wrote:
> I can borrow a large van (a Peugeot Boxer) from work for a weekend if
> said van is available (I'd need to book it), and just have to
> reimburse fuel at a rate of 15p/mile, but it won't be one with a tail
> lift.
>
> I don't know if that's any good to you.

Though to clarify, I can't do Saturday 8th as I'm photographing a
friend's wedding on that day.

[Matt Lloyd]

Thanks hazel but as mentioned in my emails sunday.
We are getting a machine moving company to do it saturday

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[Hazel]

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Matt Lloyd <dps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks hazel but as mentioned in my emails sunday.
> We are getting a machine moving company to do it saturday

Awesome.

Sorry about that, somehow I didn't spot that until after I'd sent my email.

Good luck :)

[Matt Lloyd]

OK so the Bridgeport move is going ahead tomorrow.

Dominic and I are heading down to Loughborough for 9:45am.

Im not sure exactly what time we will be back at the space but I estimate around 11ish 

As soon as we are back I'll get to work dismantling the Mill so we can get it in the lift and up to the space.

Any help with the lifting at this point will be great.

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[Spencer Owen]

I should be around tomorrow, so will try to get over there for 11.

Spencer

[nach...@gmail.com]

I'll be around by 11.

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[Michael Erskine]

11am for me too.

[Matt Lloyd]

http://twitter.com/dpslwk/status/277352254837760001/photo/1

Loaded and on the way back to Nottingham. 

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On 7 Dec 2012, at 23:26, Michael Erskine <mse...@googlemail.com> wrote:

11am for me too.

[Spencer Owen]

Oh bugger! Only just woke up! Sorry guys :( are you still in need of lifting help?

Spencer

[Matt Lloyd]

It's off loaded and in the hallway down stairs.

Thanks to Steve the mover the head and turret has been lifted of in one piece and that's saved a lot of lifting.

There is still some to be done as I strip off the table and we move it in and out of the lift.

 

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[Matt Lloyd]

The Bridgeport is now in the hackspace, currently there are a lot of bit floating around, Ill get them tidied away a little later.

Big thanks to everyone that helped even if you just stopped by and watched.

Getting it in was actually a lot easier that we expected.

This goes with out saying but please DO NOT HACK. I have a hole bunch of pots and tub with nut a bolts in that I need to label up, if they get mixed up its going to be fun putting it back together.

Ill get pics up on flickr at some point and will try to do a blog post.

We did end up going out and buying a set of 4 gear puller's for the hack space, cost about £35, but they will going into the tool collection, and will be used as I rebuild the mill.

Links some pictures form twitter of you have not been following

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Congratulations.

David Clarke.

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[Kai Pays]

Massive bit if kit! Awesome :-)

[AndyC]

Really well done folks. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Andy.

[Matt Lloyd]

Pictures are up

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nottinghack/sets/72157632207307265/with/8258913023/

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[Chunky]

Looks like an awesome bit of kit. A great thing for the hackspace to have, as not many of us would have access to one any other way.
Great job to all who helped out with the move.
Thanks,
Matt