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On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Dennis Kane wrote:
Have I ever seen a bunch of google links that talk a lot of smack, but that don't really deliver anything of substance? Why, yes I have, hahaha :D!
Seriously, though, I know there have been quite a few attempts over the years to do things like this in our browsers, but the technology has only caught up to the "dreams" over the last couple years. I think it's really taken a massive undertaking like the V8 project to allow things like this to become truly viable.
Anyway, the entire concept of a clean, intuitive browser based "operating system" is something that traditional online content providers (based on link clicking ad revenue) should be positively petrified of.The entire business model of the current Web is that there be an incomprehensible array of sites, each with incomprehensible interfaces, that reduces each one of us to rabid, slobbering link clickers. From what I've seen of the recent crop of Google IO videos on youtube, there are some real efforts to try to inject some sanity in our online experiences. But Google is not bigger than the entire universe of web developers who are each beholden to the profit motives of the corporations that they work for.We know that the Web is an ugly mess. The entire problem at hand is how to go about locating remote resources. Currently, we type text strings into input boxes, and are met with thousands and millions of choices. And even when we do find the "best" site to help us out, there is often very little help in deciphering how to navigate the thing. But we all know how to navigate our own native operating systems, because we collectively have a decades long history of doing this. There is just something about windows, icons, and folders that just "makes sense" to us in a very basic way.Now, with this browser based OS concept in full throttle, we can start thinking about organizing the remote resouces that are most important to us in highly comprehensible ways.
On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane" <dka...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> My most recent work can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
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> I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working Trashcan.
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> I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something beautiful started!
I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
Share some code ;)
Rick
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> My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will have. At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive front-ends. So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
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> By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end. I am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end user experience. Once I can get this prototype working as well as possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than OS X!
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> I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up through this kind of interface...
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@Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort. IMHO
Gerald Klein DBA
Arch Awesome, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
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@Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort. IMHOthanks --jerry
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I was already annoyed.
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
Call it soap boxing what ever you like, but when you say "I think I speak for most when I say" I have a problem, because you don't. Further the line about show us some code was not what I was talking about, it was the lines prior to that. "you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API" Ah yes a positive and necessary critique from someone with an obvious superior intelligence. Personally I don't care what your creating robots with, this has to do with respect. You know I have always been impressed with braggarts that use accomplishment to justify rude behavior.
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:
> I have never found negative comments to be helpful,I respectfully disagree. Informed opinions should be welcome here.
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
"a thread of rants making deluded claims" Here we go negative again, "a thread of rants making deluded claims" you just love to hear yourself talk don't you. I didn't respond to your last post because you started to make reasonable representation of your case, let it go.
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
The term constructive criticism which is always welcome innately suggests that there is a better alternative idea or path that could be taken. Now logic would also suggest that the person making this criticism have at least an inkling of what that might be.
I was thinking of just responding to this old thread, in which I talk about the browser based Desktop that I've been working on, but the new thing I've been doing for the past week is so superior that I thought it deserved a completely new thead. By the way, I know this forum is all about server side Javascript, but there is not really any serious place one can go on the web that talks about the client side. Besides, with socket.io & websockets... I don't really make much of a distinction between client and server anymore. I just know that there's no reason to do a document.getElementById() call in node :)This new thing is a totally shocking clone of OS X. I knew I was going to have to start over from the ground up, because my previous code base was so sh*tty, haha! I have really been concentrating on getting a nice, tight little API that developers will positively drool over. I don't want to make this thing publicly available for many reasons... but you can check out a youtube vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_W19QokXk) that shows it in action, and I still have my same old crappy prototype online at http://luvluvluv.info. Well, hopefully this is proof that I am able to do some cool stuff, and hopefully summa yous will want to start being my friend now, LOL!!!And get this... the current, uncompressed js file size is only 54kb!
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> I said much the same as you have here and got a gnarly chastising.
I don't remember exactly what you said, or how I chastised you, but I do remember it was the words used, not the message.
I am mainly using this thing as blackmail to get people to be interested in being my friend. I want to do some real world community building, and something like this will go a long way to get a cooperative business up and running.Furthermore... you do realize that asking another programmer to "just show me your code" is exactly the same as asking a girl to "just show me your breasts", right? I mean, I have nothing against it in principle, but, my god... I hardly know ye!!!