Re: [MLO] Writer uses MLO Pro

[Lisa Stroyan]

It's not clear to me what you are looking for. You say it's perfect, but then you say it can't cover writing tasks. If you are talking about organizing the written material, no, I would say that is not a good fit for MLO.

For organizing my writing itself, I really like yWriter ( http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter5.html ). It has limited support for building the book though, if I recall. It may have been added; I've not looked in a while. Some people use Evernote, but I love the "object oriented" nature of yWriter. Each scene can have attached notes, characters, description, and various other attributes (I believe it's similar to Scrivener on Mac but free). It has various basic reports.

If you are talking about organizing the tasks related to writing, I'd be interested to hear what MLO features you find missing. I really could use to think about my writing process more as I haven't actually been doing it.

MLO is powerful enough that a lot of things can be done with the existing features, but as a writer I'd be happy to help lobby for features that could extend it in this direction, and the features don't have to be specific to writing. 

Lisa

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, John Hayes <nucleusp...@gmail.com> wrote:

As a writer, MLO is perfect. And sadly, I can see the MLO features are not covering writing tasks, building a book, and so on, so I don't want to waste my 10 votes or other users on something which not up for discussion. Had I the money to buy the company or at least a division to develop MLO for writers, not only would it be a money-maker, it would make writing organization and time saved a whole lot easier. Oh well, such is life, any ideas I am open to work-arounds, as long it isn't longer to do than the tasks itself.

 

Thanks for reading.

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[Jonathan Davis]

Look at Scrivner for writing. Its its the best on OSX and has a Windows version too I believe. 

http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php

JD

[Lisa Stroyan]

Sorry, John, your post was stuck in the moderation queue; I was kayaking in the mountains and I think the developer is on vacation this week too. (to control spam, new members are moderated until after first post and sometimes it takes a while before we get around to changing it).

Glad you found Scrivener to be something that would work well. I'm curious what you found in it that yWriter didn't do well, perhaps you could write me off-list? lstroyan at gmail dot com. I haven't gotten to compilation yet so I might need those features though I really love yWriter. I think I did a trial version of Scrivener but don't remember what I didn't care for or if I just was being cheap since yWriter is free.

Lisa

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:22 AM, John Hayes <nucleusp...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not certain why my yesterday reply post was deleted. Nevertheless,

 

WOW - Lisa and JD, I looked at both and while yWriter is okay, Scrivener is excellent.

 

As for organizing tasks, MLO is excellent, it is the inability to compile and save as word doc essentially.

 

The abilty to organize/outline in detail is critical for me as a writer, then the wherewithal to compile all notes, research, citations, bibiliographic references, photos, documents, text and pdfs and so on, is a necessary organizing tool; especially for epic novels and series, as well as scientific, journalist/columns, reference and other such technical manuals and books. For Example, Michael Arbib's "Handbook of Brain Theory and Neural Networks."

 

Thanks again,

John

 

 

On Thursday, August 9, 2012 1:43:59 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Davis wrote:

Look at Scrivner for writing. Its its the best on OSX and has a Windows version too I believe. 

http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php

JD

On 9 Aug 2012, at 06:54, Lisa Stroyan <lstr...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's not clear to me what you are looking for. You say it's perfect, but then you say it can't cover writing tasks. If you are talking about organizing the written material, no, I would say that is not a good fit for MLO.

For organizing my writing itself, I really like yWriter ( http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter5.html ). It has limited support for building the book though, if I recall. It may have been added; I've not looked in a while. Some people use Evernote, but I love the "object oriented" nature of yWriter. Each scene can have attached notes, characters, description, and various other attributes (I believe it's similar to Scrivener on Mac but free). It has various basic reports.

If you are talking about organizing the tasks related to writing, I'd be interested to hear what MLO features you find missing. I really could use to think about my writing process more as I haven't actually been doing it.

MLO is powerful enough that a lot of things can be done with the existing features, but as a writer I'd be happy to help lobby for features that could extend it in this direction, and the features don't have to be specific to writing. 

Lisa

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:08 AM, John Hayes <nucleusp...@gmail.com> wrote:

As a writer, MLO is perfect. And sadly, I can see the MLO features are not covering writing tasks, building a book, and so on, so I don't want to waste my 10 votes or other users on something which not up for discussion. Had I the money to buy the company or at least a division to develop MLO for writers, not only would it be a money-maker, it would make writing organization and time saved a whole lot easier. Oh well, such is life, any ideas I am open to work-arounds, as long it isn't longer to do than the tasks itself.

 

Thanks for reading.

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[John Hayes]

Ok. Now after a few days of reviewing, learning app(s) and testing, these are my thoughts:

 

1. You are correct about free, free is always a lot easier, but, and you know this already, sometimes paying to do the job is higher priority than free.

 

2. I really like Scrivner, but it would be excellent to have the following yWriter, a) the timeline feature, EXCELLENT, always wanted this in an app, b) The Writing Scheduling/ days per page goal, and, c) the feature to display character/characteristics in the bottom half display, and the detailing therein.

 

3. I don't know how to or don't like yWriter inability to create more than one book in the outlining and infrstructure, if you have a manuscript that is in sections, Part, or volumes, one book per file doesn't work for me.

 

4. Not certain enough about the text editor need more time with it.

 

5. What I like about Scrivner, which is the reason I am unable to use MLO is Export features, to pdf, word docs and more.

 

6. MLO while an excellent free form, it really is more of a project manager and candidly a lot better than MS Project.

 

7. Cork board in Scrivner, for that alone the application is good, and makes Writer's Block look cheesy.

 

8. The ability to really drag and drop and reorganize the outline and accompanying text/files/folders excellent.

 

9. MLO to Scrivner, Scrivner is really a writer's tool and MLO is a project manager's tool.

 

And so there is no confusion as to app literacy, I have been using and searching for excellent writer's app for over 20 years now, since the early eighties and the original Compaq portables to the Wangs.

 

In that time I have used a plain old text editor, word pad, to the following:

 

ProPro

Script Wizard

Final Draft

New Novelist

Movie Magic (I write prose more than scripts)

MS Word

Word Perfect

DeBrief

MS Project

 

And a host more I have forgotten.

 

So I am sad MLO doesn't work for me. I understand you using two different apps, though one day the apps will join and all be one and united. :)

 

And finally, even though I am around writers, talk to writers, read lots of writing stuff, I want to know how Scrivner escaped me, nevertheless, I am very grateful and appreciative for you and JD taking the time out to share with me this data. I will use it well.

 

Thank you again,

John

:)

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