goodbye everyone

[João Melo]

Hello there,

What i think is really amazing in MLO is its powerful query capabilities in the todo. I did all kind of saved views and i loved it. It is because the mobile model that i'm leaving. I tried, but couldn't operate with manually syncs and the lack of customized views on both iphone and ipad.

I want to thanks the MLO team and this incredible community,

Health and peace for you all,

João

[Holmes245]

So why get on here to tell people you're leaving? Unless you were a constant presence on the board and you're well known by at least several, it's sort of pointless. Not trying to be mean but this is something I would do if I was was upset with development not coming as fast as I wanted to and I wanted to make a point about it. Joao, what out there does more and has the features that you want that you're not finding in the Apple versions of MLO?

Joel

[chuckdevee]

I'd be interested also to find out if you've found something that works as well. I understand your frustrations about the mobile version.

[Holmes245]

This is the main reason though why I've seen some developers stay with one platform and have decided not to try and develop for every known platform. I know one who develops task management software. He only develops for Windows. You get so many people all who want a version of that software on their platform or device, it almost becomes impossible for programmers with small shops to please everyone. This is why I can't complain. I'm happy with my Windows/Android setup and if I wasn't, I would be hard pressed to find anything that comes close to what MLO can do regardless. That's why I'm puzzled by the, "MLO was great but I'm moving on". If you're moving on, what are you moving on to that DOES DO what you're wanting? I would think one would not be using MLO if he/she had found it which leads me to think Joao hasn't. Joao, if you're reading this then by all means prove me wrong.

[CTenorman]

Joao, If I could make a suggestion, try MLO on Android. I used to have an iPhone, and I occasionally pick the old thing (3GS) up just to see what's doing in the apple world. Compared to the android app, the iphone app really lacks a lot of the power for context filtering, views, zooming-in, and far more. I'd even go so far as to say it's worth switching platforms for if you're a heavy MLO user. With the galaxy nexus running at $350 off-contract in the google play store, it's worth it if productivity in a mobile environment is really important to you. If you're the sort of user to loves to take advantage of the kind of power that MLO offers, you'd probably love android as a platform, you can make it do pretty much anything with very little effort. 

For example, on iPhone the fastest way for me to add a task was to turn on the phone, swipe to unlock, press the home button to exit the current app, swipe over to the MLO app, click on the app, and when it finally loaded up hit the add button and then type in what I wanted to enter. Unfortunately, on iOS, there's just no way to make that process faster unless you jailbreak. On android I turn on my phone, press the microphone MLO shortcut and say what I want to enter. 5-7 seconds vs 0.5 seconds from start to go. It's just stuff like that all over the place that makes the android experience outstanding if you want to really juice your productivity experience. As a huge evernote user, I also find the evernote app far more robust, particularly because of widgets and integration with Android's full file system for attaching any kind of file to an evernote note, etc.

If you're really heavily invested in the iOS platform, then maybe other apps will do more of what you're looking for, though I ended up using MLO anyway. However, if you're not absolutely tied to the iOS ecosystem, I'd strongly consider giving the android platform and the MLO android client a try, it's really potent. I'm not sure exactly how it works (I haven't used it myself), but if you were curious if it could work for you, give Bluestacks a try, it lets you run Android on you PC.

Holmes, the iOS client does lack a few of the things that Joao probably wanted, so I can understand his comment a bit. I remember the inability to look at what was due by date as a particularly tricky thing to work around - until I got an android device and I grinned from ear to ear at the view options. :) However, for android, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I've done some pretty maniacal searching to find something with more juice for Android+Windows, and nothing I've looked at comes even close. I too would be interested if there was something else out there that had that kind of cross-platform power, but after trying to use quite a few they all seem to come up short. Though to be honest, even just looking at the android client, I'd be hard-pressed to find anything that could better it for raw power and usability when you've got a lot to manage. I only wish the mobile version had more features because I've seen them exist on the desktop version, not because I've seen them exist on other android apps. 

[João Melo]

Hello,

The point is that i felt nice thanking and saying goodbye to people from i learned so much. Sorry if i upset you.

Tks,

JM

[João Melo]

Hi Chuck,

I moved to Gqueues. The todo queries (they call smartqueues) are very very simpler compared to MLO. But the trade-off was better to me. What i do on my ipad in a meeting is waiting for me in my linux work pc. I can see them also in my windows notebook at home and during travels, or in my iphone during my constantly traffic jams here in Brasilia.

Since dropbox my mindset cannot operate with manualy sinc anymore. Of course, is a choice.

Thanks,

João

[João Melo]

Hi,

I think we can always have a good talk about our needs and solutions. In my view is not complaining but a way to learn from each others experiences. Many times i have multiple needs that are not addressed by a single solution, but disperse. That's why something can be great and  we can still move on. The new solution doesn't have all the stuff we need just a better trade-off. 

In my case, i have a strong need that my software can run on linux, ios and windows (two web interfaces can do the job just fine) without have to remember to press buttons. In a very close priority, the need to fulltext search and flexible querys. I didn't find all this in one solution. That's why i still think MLO is great in the windows desktop.

In the end i'm agreeing with you, don't you think?

Thanks,

João

[João Melo]

Hello,

First, i want to thank you for your incredible concern and rich response. I'm felling very flattered that you and the other guys/girls took some time to talk to me. 

I didn't know that the app for android could do more. You described a nice way to add tasks and bring me back to a temptation that i have from time to time: switch to the android plataform -- the main point is probably Itunes. But i am a old user of iphone and ipad, and my wife came aboard to iphone and ipad too last year. I have some money invested in apps along the years and now shared by both of us. I dread to search and buy all that apps again and lose the benefits to have all the family with the same mobile plataform. 

Thanks again,

João

[Lisa Stroyan]

You can get away with mostly free apps on android, which I don't think is the case for iPhone. You might be surprised at how little money you would have to spend on apps to switch over. If you want specific apps, like MLO obviously, you have to pay. But for a lot of purposes I just use whichever app is best of the free in that category.

Lisa

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[chuckdevee]

interesting.. I think my frustrations with the mobile version largely relate to the Apple format.. I used to really like MLO on pocket PC..

and I suspect there are more development options in Andriod and Apple.. so I might well try a switch and see how that goes..

[CTenorman]

Chuck or Joao, if you're interested in flipping over to the android side I'd be happy to let you know what apps I found to be equivalents. 

[Antkh]

Same to me, I'm leaving MLO for cloud services. My opinion is that MLO as a standalone PC-software is completely obsolete.

I use Google services, Dropbox, etc. from any location and terminal. MLO doesn’t allow such flexibility. And MLO for Android is too buggy (it even messed my sync-file in the Cloud once). And besides, the ability to sync single small file (charging a price for this feature!!) and proudly name it «MLO Cloud Solution» is ridiculous!

So, I’ve conducted an analysis of different cloud To-Do services and performed a test of my complete solution for 1 month. And it suits me perfectly, my productivity has risen greatly! So, here it is:

Toodledo (Pro account) + Ultimate To-Do List (Android) + Pure Grid calendar widget (Android)

So, I’m giving up the subscription to this MLO Group, goodbye to everyone. See you on Toodledo forums maybe))

P.S. Other cloud services I looked at: GQueues, NirvanaHQ, Doit.im, Producteev, Nozbe, Todoist, Smthngs. IMHO Toodledo is most flexible to build GTD or ANY OTHER time management system for any single person.

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Hi, Antun. Thanks for posting your solution. In my frustration with MLO’s buggy sync I have considered trying Toodledo, but I am stopped by the lack of support for task dependencies. Have you found a way to overcome this?

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[robisme]

The flexibility you'll win in term of sync, you'll, imho, loose it it term of "daily use flexibility".

Try to bulk move, change context, format, color, date, etc. in Toodledo

Try to copy multiple task as child of another task.

Just try yo delete multiple task at once ...

Drag and drop outlook items

Use it offline

etc

Perhaps the online services will grow in term of flexibility, but I think for the moment that a standalone pc software, as soos as it comes with a sync feature that works well, is far from being obsolete.

IMHO.

[Dwight]

I actually agree about MLO's rich feature set, and I don't think I'm ready for an all-cloud task manager. I picked MLO for its handling of dependencies, but also because the sync was do much cleaner and error free than what I had been using. MLO sync to Blackberry via USB was clean, error-free and fast, unlike Intellisynch to Lotus Notes which was full of glitches. I always felt that I was arm-wrestling with Intellisynch, sometimes I would win, other times after a long struggle I would lose.

The current generation of cloud sync is not as bad as Intellisynch was but the feeling of arm wrestling is back. Maybe I need to go back to wifi sync, where a more realistic conflict resolution is available. It's just that the cloud thing is so damned convenient.

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[robisme]

Am I the only one here never having any sync issue with MLO Cloud Sync ?

Please, tell me what are those issue ? It's not for argue, rather for knowing what can expect me if I don't care.

[Ron Stockfleth]

Of course not, although it might be a platform-specific issue. My data
file has 9,226 "tasks" and I am syncing between iPhone, iPad, laptop,
and desktop computers. The sync works flawlessly for me.

Ron

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[fernando...@gmail.com]

Cloud sync works for me on my netbook, notebook, desktop computers and
also on my LG Android Phone.

I only have 160 tasks.

[daniel sekera]

I am syncing between work pc, laptop, and android and works flawlessly for me as well

[Lisa Stroyan]

If I understand it correctly, there are certain configurations of tasks which presents a design flaw in the sync functionality of MLO. I don't believe it's a reliability issue. The problem is that tasks are synced on a task – granularity basis. If you modify two properties of one task on different platforms, only one will be kept. When you sync to android, the one that will be kept depends on your android setting, not on which task property you actually wanted to keep. On the desktop, you always have the option of choosing.

Furthermore, Dwight has reported a situation in which modification of a task also impacts other tasks in its tree through auto recurrence. So in this manner, it's not just a single task that is being impacted.

I haven't run into this myself, probably because I use it very few auto complete trees.

Dwight, would you be willing to describe a small set of tasks which illustrates this issue, both so that we can understand it, and perhaps give Andrey a clearer picture of the problem? I have noticed a strong correlation between accurate and easy to reproduce problem descriptions and changes being enacted in MLO :-) unfortunately, this is probably a design issue and not easy to solve. However, there may be some kludge that could help a lot.

Lisa

[CTenorman]

I actually think this is a time-limited problem (for MLO), and one not exclusive to MLO. Any service which has a mobile app has the potential to run into syncing issues. Even if the service is web-based on the desktop, mobile nearly always has an app (and it's really required because mobile lacks 100% connectivity). If you edit something on the desktop web-based interface and then edit the same task on mobile in a different way without a cloud sync in between, the same kind of problem will occur. The issue isn't web-based vs traditional software so much as requiring constant sync of changes in the background to prevent this kind of thing.

If the mobile app pushed all changes to the cloud instantly as they occurred or synced on a frequent, set interval instead in the background, that would fix part of the problem. Also, if the desktop app synced automatically in the background at a reasonably-frequent set interval and then checked cloud status if it became the active window and downloaded any changes that occurred in the interim, this would pretty much eliminate the problem.

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Partial Solution:

Because I had the same issue, I did a few things to help automate the procedure. First, I modified a small script for the desktop that automatically syncs in the background. I found it online (can't remember where) and then just modified it to make it work for me. If anyone wants the file please let me know, I'll post it in a folder in my dropbox and include instructions on how to install it as a service. It doesn't take very long to do, and it means that MLO desktop stays in sync with the cloud, which is a godsend.

On the android end I modified a few settings to make sync more seamless (I don't know what options are available on iOS, but iOS isn't big on background processes if I remember correctly, so MLO may be constrained in what it can do for syncing there). 

1. In Android, I set "Both sides changed item" to apply server version. I tend to do less substantial edits on the android app, so I'd rather the big changes done on the desktop get preserved over the android app.
2. Make sure "Autosync on close" is set to on. This covers about 60% of the sync functionality I need. It basically means that my desktop is never out-of-date.
3. Make sure "sync via Wi-Fi only" is unchecked. I find having this checked is a very strange default, one which I wish MLO would change. Over the last 15 days MLO has used about 10mb for me, and I'm a pretty heavy user. If you have any data plan at all this shouldn't be an issue.
4. If desired, check "check cloud periodically." I prefer to leave this one off, as I'll get an MLO alarm every time I start editing on my desktop, which is annoying. I just remember to sync on mobile first before doing anything substantial there if I've been at work on the desktop.

With all the above changes in place, sync works pretty seamlessly most of the the time. Real, honest automatic background sync for android is the real answer to nearly all the remaining problems. That combined with the script above for automated desktop sync would solve nearly every sync problem I suspect, as nothing would have the chance to get out-of-date, and there would be no conflicts to resolve.

I remember being told at one point that android automatic background sync would happen once desktop MLO reached 4.0, probably because MLO 4 will include easy-to-use background syncing. However, for users who don't mind a script for their MLO desktops, having automated android sync to work with that now would be a godsend. At the very least it would mean fewer issues to work through for people who were willing to put in the time to make it work.

If MLO needed users to be guinea pigs for testing full android automated sync, I'd be happy to volunteer myself. :)

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[Holmes245]

Just an FYI guys...

Someone brought to my attention this last post of mine and I just wanted to clarify and say that I meant to use the term 'wary', as in being careful, not 'weary', as in growing tired of people saying they were having sync issues. That's not what I meant to say so sorry for the confusion if there was. All I meant to say was that when I hear people say they have sync issues, I try to be careful and not assume that it's the software when, in fact, they may not be syncing correctly or have their settings set in such a way that would be causing the problem. That was my case a month or two back and I had others help me with that. I realized that the set up I had wasn't the best way to sync and so I was told to apply the server side on the Android app and that solved my problem. That's all I was trying to say. I just didn't say it really well.

Thanks guys.

Holmes

On Monday, July 23, 2012 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Holmes245 wrote:

robisme, like you, I haven't been experiencing any sync issues between Windows and Android. At first I thought I was until Lisa S (I think it was) suggested that I make sure I had my Android app set to apply the server version. After that, I stopped having what I thought were sync issues caused by the software itself. That's why I'm weary when people say their having problems syncing and that it must be the software.

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