Fwd: Firefox accounts and Persona

[Rubén Martín]

I've sent this same email to sync-dev mailing list, but subscription to
that list is moderated and I'm still waiting for approval. I also want to
reach more different people to get more awareness about what everyone think
about this topic.

Hi,

After doing some research on the current status of Firefox Accounts I have
a big concern.

As far as I understand, my Firefox Account and my Persona account are going
to be independent, two different passwords, and there is no way to log in
with Persona to Firefox Accounts as it was planned at the beginning.

http://people.mozilla.org/~zfang/FirefoxAccount/PiCL_0905.pdf

Is this still the case? If so, why?

I was told on IRC that you don't want people to be redirected to their
email provider to verify their persona account because it's confusing, but
at the end they will always have to go to their email to verify the Firefox
Account.

>From a user point of view, I don't want to create more accounts, the point
of Persona was to avoid this and have to remember just one password, so I
expected to log in to my Firefox Account using my Persona account.


Regards.
--
Rubén Martín (Nukeador)
Mozilla Reps Mentor
http://mozilla-hispano.org
http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
http://facebook.com/mozillahispano

[Lloyd Hilaiel]

Hey Nukeador!

On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Rubén Martín <nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org> wrote:
>
> After doing some research on the current status of Firefox Accounts I have a big concern.
>
> As far as I understand, my Firefox Account and my Persona account are going to be independent, two different passwords, and there is no way to log in with Persona to Firefox Accounts as it was planned at the beginning.
>
> http://people.mozilla.org/~zfang/FirefoxAccount/PiCL_0905.pdf
>
> Is this still the case? If so, why?

This will be the case for the first engineering milestone of firefox accounts. However, we are going to be very careful to pave the way for future Persona integration. The key thing this requires is a strongly verified email address in the Firefox Accounts database - something we will have.

The reasons we just didn't go all in with persona as the only way to sign into FirefoxOS, Firefox Android, and Firefox Desktop are these:

1. Native integration of persona is required - this is in order to provide a really seamless sign up flow into the browser. This work is in progress, but not yet landed.

2. Checking your email in order to set up your new phone can be clumsy - we really need to think about and optimize the flow, and the identity ux team is working on this now, and firefoxos folks have some strong opinions too.

3. Firefox Accounts was initially designed with a laser focus on sync. In order to encrypt data, the goal was to have a password. Because we didn't want to bombard the user with multiple passwords, there was concern we couldn't have a usable experience unless we used a single password (and not persona).

4. There was concern that a third party during signing into your browser would be confusing.

All of those reasons led us to define a first engineering milestone which uses your email and a new password. As that first milestone is being implemented, our UX team is working in parallel to figure out how we can optimize the sign-in flow.

I'm optimistic at this point we can bring in persona / federated sign in, improve usability, and reduce the role of, or potentially eliminate the new password in firefox accounts, and make even better security tradeoffs.

Not everyone is as optimistic, but I'm a dreamer :).

lloyd

[Jacob Caggiano]

Hey Lloyd,

Do you happen to know if we'll be able to do all this fancy sync offline via USB, for folks who don't want to be in the cloud, or have poor internet access?

Thanks!
Jacob

[April Morone]

Speaking of persona, I was recently vouched of my other e-mail address I no
longer use for it, but I cannot sign in now with this e-mail address nor
the other e-mail address, which is BlackJa...@gmail.com. help with
this would be appreciated.
On Oct 10, 2013 5:54 AM, "Lloyd Hilaiel" <ll...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> Hey Nukeador!

>
> On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Rubén Martín <nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > After doing some research on the current status of Firefox Accounts I
> have a big concern.
> >
> > As far as I understand, my Firefox Account and my Persona account are
> going to be independent, two different passwords, and there is no way to
> log in with Persona to Firefox Accounts as it was planned at the beginning.
> >
> > http://people.mozilla.org/~zfang/FirefoxAccount/PiCL_0905.pdf
> >
> > Is this still the case? If so, why?
>

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> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
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>

[April Morone]

I meant tht I am able to sign into MDN using linuxweb...@gmail.com,
but not using BlackJa...@gmail.com, but only just recently (last
night) got notifivation of being vouched for my MDN acct when it was still
under BlackJa...@gmail.com, not linuxweb...@gmil.com. if tht was
legit, why now? Can you all vouch for me to my MDN acct tht's currently
under linuxweb...@gmail.com? :)
Apil Morone

[William Reynolds]

Hi April, I was the person who vouched for your mozillians.org account
with the email BlackJadedHeart@g*. I just vouched for your other account
as you requested, and I deleted your BlackJadedHeart@g* account since it
doesn't appear you are using that one.

For anyone else who wants to change their mozillians.org email address,
you can do that from the Edit Your Profile page [1] or by filing a bug [2].

We are also planning to let you add multiple email addresses to your
account [3].

[1] https://mozillians.org/user/edit
[2]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Tools&component=Account%20Help
[3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699952

[Janet Swisher]

I'm changing the subject line since this doesn't have anything to do
with Firefox Accounts.

As an admin on MDN, I can tell you that your profile there is associated
with linuxwebdeveloper@gmail.

MDN has no "vouching" feature; only Mozillians.org does. So assume that
you meant to say that your Mozillians.org profile was vouched.

Note that different email addresses are completely different identities,
as far as Persona is concerned.

--Janet

--
Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVE...@mozilla.com>
Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org>
Developer Engagement Community Organizer

[April Morone]

Yay. Cool. Thank you so much. :) I appreciate that.

Alo, on the issue of being soon able to have multiple accts for MDN, tht is
awesome. I am glad that about.
April Morone

On Oct 16, 2013 6:59 PM, "William Reynolds" <will...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> Hi April, I was the person who vouched for your mozillians.org account
> with the email BlackJadedHeart@g*. I just vouched for your other account
> as you requested, and I deleted your BlackJadedHeart@g* account since it
> doesn't appear you are using that one.
>
> For anyone else who wants to change their mozillians.org email address,
> you can do that from the Edit Your Profile page [1] or by filing a bug [2].
>
> We are also planning to let you add multiple email addresses to your
> account [3].
>

> [1] https://mozillians.org/user/**edit <https://mozillians.org/user/edit>
> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/**enter_bug.cgi?product=**
> Community%20Tools&component=**Account%20Help<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Tools&component=Account%20Help>
> [3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=699952<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699952>

>
>
> On 10/16/13 3:44 PM, April Morone wrote:
>
>> I meant tht I am able to sign into MDN using linuxweb...@gmail.com,
>> but not using BlackJa...@gmail.com, but only just recently (last
>> night) got notifivation of being vouched for my MDN acct when it was still
>> under BlackJa...@gmail.com, not linuxweb...@gmil.com. if tht
>> was
>> legit, why now? Can you all vouch for me to my MDN acct tht's currently
>> under linuxweb...@gmail.com? :)
>> Apil Morone
>> On Oct 10, 2013 5:54 AM, "Lloyd Hilaiel" <ll...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Nukeador!
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Rubén Martín <nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After doing some research on the current status of Firefox Accounts I
>>>>
>>> have a big concern.
>>>
>>>> As far as I understand, my Firefox Account and my Persona account are
>>>>
>>> going to be independent, two different passwords, and there is no way to
>>> log in with Persona to Firefox Accounts as it was planned at the
>>> beginning.
>>>

>>>> http://people.mozilla.org/~**zfang/FirefoxAccount/PiCL_**0905.pdf<http://people.mozilla.org/~zfang/FirefoxAccount/PiCL_0905.pdf>

>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> mozillians mailing list
>>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
>>> https://lists.mozilla.org/**listinfo/mozillians<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>> mozillians mailing list
>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
>> https://lists.mozilla.org/**listinfo/mozillians<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians>
>>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> mozillians mailing list
> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/**listinfo/mozillians<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians>
>

[April Morone]

Yes, I meant about Mozillians.org vouching my acct. Lol. Sorry for my
error in how I said it. :) Thank you for letting me know about that
different e-mail accounts are seen as different accts. Now, I fully
understand. :)
April Morone

On Oct 16, 2013 7:01 PM, "Janet Swisher" <jswi...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> I'm changing the subject line since this doesn't have anything to do with
> Firefox Accounts.
>
> As an admin on MDN, I can tell you that your profile there is associated
> with linuxwebdeveloper@gmail.
>
> MDN has no "vouching" feature; only Mozillians.org does. So assume that
> you meant to say that your Mozillians.org profile was vouched.
>
> Note that different email addresses are completely different identities,
> as far as Persona is concerned.
>
> --Janet
>
>
>

> --
> Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVEswisher@**mozilla.com<jREMOVE...@mozilla.com>
> >
> Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org**>
> Developer Engagement Community Organizer

[April Morone]

I meant on the issues of being able to have multiple accts, soon, on
Mozillians.org, that I think this awesome and that I look forward to soon
being able to do this.
April Morone

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM, William Reynolds <will...@mozilla.com>wrote:

> Hi April, I was the person who vouched for your mozillians.org account
> with the email BlackJadedHeart@g*. I just vouched for your other account
> as you requested, and I deleted your BlackJadedHeart@g* account since it
> doesn't appear you are using that one.
>
> For anyone else who wants to change their mozillians.org email address,
> you can do that from the Edit Your Profile page [1] or by filing a bug [2].
>
> We are also planning to let you add multiple email addresses to your
> account [3].
>
> [1] https://mozillians.org/user/**edit <https://mozillians.org/user/edit>
> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/**enter_bug.cgi?product=**
> Community%20Tools&component=**Account%20Help<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Tools&component=Account%20Help>
> [3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=699952<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699952>
>
>
>