Iam the King of the

[Mr Smith]

Kongs

fuckerz

[April Morone]

Can someone please take this person off Mozillians with his actions and
name being what they are?
On Sep 17, 2014 1:25 PM, "Mr Smith" <swob...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Kongs
>
> fuckerz
> _______________________________________________
> mozillians mailing list
> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
>

[April Morone]

Correction: I mean to ask if someone could please take this person off
Mozillians for his actiobs and his message.

[Mr Smith]

Free SPEACH you retarded commi fuck!

[Revvie Quar]

On 9/17/2014 13:30, Mr Smith wrote:

> Free SPEACH you retarded commi fuck!

Ahem, it's free SPEECH, you illiterate raving troll.

Oh, and you dropped the "e" in Commie, dipstick.

--

Revvie Quar

Gryphons *rawk!*

[Majken Connor]

We're not the government, we're allowed to persecute you.

[Soumya Deb]

Another case, same day:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01005.html

Now, let's see...

A German speaking person who is technically adequate & active (uses
Thunderbird 31, highly unlikely a first time kiddie) in Debian & Mozilla
Communities, but works on a Windows 64-bit system, uses giganews for usenet
service (which follows a certain network route in order to do so), and is
on Deutsch Telecom network.

BECAUSE (from message headers):

Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!backlog3.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!
buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!h15no262084igd.0!
news-out.google.com!ef6ni14041igb.0!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozilla.org.POSTED!not-for-mail

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1

X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com

NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.187.97.57


There are some more info that can be dug out, which aren't even required.
I'm fairly certain, matching all the subscribers who have ever replied to
moz-lists against this profile will boil down to no more than one person,
if it does (can be handled, if there are multiple).

So, Mr. Smith... where's your god now?

Wanna reply with a more carefully crafted email? Doesn't matter anymore! We
already got your profile consistent with the previous emails. We _can_ find
you.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Majken Connor <maj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We're not the government, we're allowed to persecute you.
>

--
*Soumya Deb*
*http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
Open Source Evangelist

[Majken Connor]

Deb. "Where's your god now?" This was WAAAAAY over the top (and probably
violates the community participation guidelines, too). I'm posting this to
the main list because I want to remind others that we shouldn't handle
trolls like this and also so that people know someone has already said
something to you so that you don't have to get 50 private emails saying the
same thing ;)

> --
> *Soumya Deb*
> *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> Open Source Evangelist

[Soumya Deb]

Kensie,

"Where's your god now?" is an internet catchphrase, which by now, has more
of a meme value than it's Biblical reference (as a quick google search will
lead you to).

I do appreciate your concern & agree that that phrase falls in a
no-man's-land of Community Participation Guideline. But, maybe, we're
chasing the wrong problem discussing about it (now). Trolling on lists
(dev-eng, mozillians, gov-list) are becoming rampant - and we need to fix
this. Once that's over, I'm ready to be charged with participation
guideline violation (and profoundly & consistently failing to be diplomatic
at every chance I get) - but not now.

BTW, the private mails I got regarding this, were set to a different tone.
And instead of replying to all of them personally... Cheers to y'all! ;) \m/

>> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Mr Smith <swob...@outlook.com>

>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Free SPEACH you retarded commi fuck!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Am 17.09.2014 um 20:17 schrieb April Morone:
>> > >
>> > >> Correction: I mean to ask if someone could please take this person
>> off
>> > >> Mozillians for his actiobs and his message.
>> > >> On Sep 17, 2014 1:25 PM, "Mr Smith" <swob...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Kongs
>> > >>>
>> > >>> fuckerz
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> mozillians mailing list
>> > >>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
>> > >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > mozillians mailing list
>> > > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
>> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > mozillians mailing list
>> > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
>> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
>> >
>>
>>
>>

>> --
>> *Soumya Deb*
>> *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
>> Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
>> Open Source Evangelist

>> _______________________________________________
>> mozillians mailing list
>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
>>
>
>

[April Morone]

Deb,
While yes, I understand about what you are saying, at the same time, there
is a certain amount of decorum expected (said or unsaid) that is sort of
expected in most forums, no matter if run by Mozilla or by oyher
organisations or companies. In my personal opinion, what you'd said was a
little overzealious and over the top. When I was bothered a littl by the
troll and also had wished for everyone of that that troll had gone, I asked
r assistance, hoping someone higher up would handle it-professionally,
which, to my knowledge, has currently been done.

> >> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Mr Smith <swob...@outlook.com>

> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Free SPEACH you retarded commi fuck!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Am 17.09.2014 um 20:17 schrieb April Morone:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Correction: I mean to ask if someone could please take this person
> >> off
> >> > >> Mozillians for his actiobs and his message.
> >> > >> On Sep 17, 2014 1:25 PM, "Mr Smith" <swob...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Kongs
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> fuckerz
> >> > >>> _______________________________________________
> >> > >>> mozillians mailing list
> >> > >>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> >> > >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > mozillians mailing list
> >> > > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> >> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> >> > >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > mozillians mailing list
> >> > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> >> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >> --
> >> *Soumya Deb*
> >> *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> >> Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> >> Open Source Evangelist

> >> _______________________________________________
> >> mozillians mailing list
> >> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

> --
> *Soumya Deb*
> *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> Open Source Evangelist

[Regnard Raquedan]

Knowing Deb, I know he didn't mean to offend anybody-- I thought he was
just counter-trolling the troll and defending the community.

Here's a reference to the meme he was talking about:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/where-is-your-god-now



On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:15 AM, April Morone <blackja...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > >> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Mr Smith <swob...@outlook.com>

> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Free SPEACH you retarded commi fuck!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Am 17.09.2014 um 20:17 schrieb April Morone:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Correction: I mean to ask if someone could please take this
> person
> > >> off
> > >> > >> Mozillians for his actiobs and his message.
> > >> > >> On Sep 17, 2014 1:25 PM, "Mr Smith" <swob...@outlook.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Kongs
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> fuckerz
> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >> > >>> mozillians mailing list
> > >> > >>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > >> > >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > mozillians mailing list
> > >> > > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > >> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > >> > >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > mozillians mailing list
> > >> > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > >> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>

> > >> --
> > >> *Soumya Deb*
> > >> *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> > >> Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> > >> Open Source Evangelist

> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> mozillians mailing list
> > >> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

> > --
> > *Soumya Deb*
> > *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> > Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> > Open Source Evangelist

> > _______________________________________________
> > mozillians mailing list
> > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> >
> _______________________________________________
> mozillians mailing list
> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
>

--
*Regnard Raquedan, MBA, MSc.*
http://weboplex.com
@regnard <https://twitter.com/regnard>

[Mike Hoye]

On 2014-09-18 7:41 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
> "Where's your god now?" is an internet catchphrase, which by now, has more
> of a meme value than it's Biblical reference (as a quick google search will
> lead you to).

This is not how we should be speaking to our community.

I'd be happy to discuss the particulars in some other forum, but this is
not OK.

- mhoye

[April Morone]

I know, I figured. I wasn't mad about that. I just wanted him to know,
though, in case he didn't my opinion of thst it did seem a little over the
top. :) Anyway, I don't mean ablnything bad by my comments, herein. I
respectfully step outbof this conversation to not make things worse. :)

On Sep 18, 2014 9:21 AM, "Regnard Raquedan" <reg...@raquedan.com> wrote:

> Knowing Deb, I know he didn't mean to offend anybody-- I thought he was
> just counter-trolling the troll and defending the community.
>
> Here's a reference to the meme he was talking about:
> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/where-is-your-god-now
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:15 AM, April Morone <blackja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Deb,
> > While yes, I understand about what you are saying, at the same time,
> there
> > is a certain amount of decorum expected (said or unsaid) that is sort of
> > expected in most forums, no matter if run by Mozilla or by oyher
> > organisations or companies. In my personal opinion, what you'd said was a
> > little overzealious and over the top. When I was bothered a littl by the
> > troll and also had wished for everyone of that that troll had gone, I
> asked
> > r assistance, hoping someone higher up would handle it-professionally,
> > which, to my knowledge, has currently been done.

> > On Sep 18, 2014 7:41 AM, "Soumya Deb" <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Kensie,

> > >
> > > "Where's your god now?" is an internet catchphrase, which by now, has
> > more
> > > of a meme value than it's Biblical reference (as a quick google search
> > will
> > > lead you to).
> > >

> > > >> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Mr Smith <swob...@outlook.com>

> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Free SPEACH you retarded commi fuck!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Am 17.09.2014 um 20:17 schrieb April Morone:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Correction: I mean to ask if someone could please take this
> > person
> > > >> off
> > > >> > >> Mozillians for his actiobs and his message.
> > > >> > >> On Sep 17, 2014 1:25 PM, "Mr Smith" <swob...@outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Kongs
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> fuckerz
> > > >> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >> > >>> mozillians mailing list
> > > >> > >>> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > > >> > >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > mozillians mailing list
> > > >> > > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > > >> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > mozillians mailing list
> > > >> > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > > >> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>

> > > >> --
> > > >> *Soumya Deb*
> > > >> *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> > > >> Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> > > >> Open Source Evangelist

> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> mozillians mailing list
> > > >> mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > > >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> > > --
> > > *Soumya Deb*
> > > *http://debs.io <http://debs.io>*
> > > Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
> > > Open Source Evangelist

> > > _______________________________________________
> > > mozillians mailing list
> > > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mozillians mailing list
> > mozil...@lists.mozilla.org
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians
> >
>
>
>

> --
> *Regnard Raquedan, MBA, MSc.*
> http://weboplex.com
> @regnard <https://twitter.com/regnard>

[Soumya Deb]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Mike Hoye <mh...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> On 2014-09-18 7:41 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
>
>> "Where's your god now?" is an internet catchphrase, which by now, has more
>> of a meme value than it's Biblical reference (as a quick google search
>> will
>> lead you to).
>>

> This is not how we should be speaking to our community.
>
> I'd be happy to discuss the particulars in some other forum, but this is
> not OK.
>

<small>Yes, the world is still the same where Achilles & Hector fight &
eventually die preterm; yet Paris & Helen survive in the end.</small>

Feel free to initiate a discussion, in whichever channel you deem fit. I
may not be available today on this thread anymore (way more time given than
fore-sought), but will get back to it soon as I can.

[David Boswell]

> This is not how we should be speaking to our community.
>
> I'd be happy to discuss the particulars in some other forum, but this is
> not OK.

I fully agree with Mike. I think there are better ways we could have handled the original comment and we shouldn't let this thread continue in this way.

Thanks,
David

[Asa Dotzler]

I completely disagree with both you and Mike. For real.

This has nothing to do with how we speak to people in our community
unless y'all have expanded our definition of community to include trolls
trying to disrupt our community.

If you do include trolls trying to disrupt our community as community
members, this isn't a community I want to be a part of any more.

- A

[Soumya Deb]

I was saving this particular argument[*] as the answer to me being formally
show-caused, but well, you said it loud & clear.

* If he's a community member, why there's no similar public charges/actions
being taken for the same but more heinous acts of him; and If he's not a
community member, then how did I violate the community participation
guidelines by trying to drive off a troll?

I do things in weird ways - giving very less scope for even my well wishers
to support my methods, but the intentions. Maybe you don't approve of the
way I acted, or maybe you do - but the important part here is that, you're
among the handful few people (in fact publicly, only one of the two people)
who could actually see the bigger picture, and speak up. I could imagine,
that wasn't easy. So, thanks!

P.S: kept this in the draft to marionette a couple of hours; rethinking
whether I do wanna send it to you or, what good would happen, if I do! Then
I thought, speaking up & taking a stand at the time of conflict is a virtue
that should be recognized just as much (no, actually more than) that of
addressing a trolling incident.

P.P.S: the original reply draft was a direct mail to Asa. While rethinking
& adding the post-script, I found it should rather live publicly on the
list.

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>

[April Morone]

Deb and Asa,
What is the situation is that the troll situation to my knowledge has been
taken care of, and that the behaviour done by Deb was frowned upon because
even though Deb's behaviour was directed only to/at the troll, that
behaviour that had been done was done withIN the community-it had not been
done elsewhere/anywhere else other than in this community. I hope that this
explanation helps for better understanding and for no hard feelings about
this.