FYI: mozilla.general to be shuttered and archived.

[WaltS48]

Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
tomorrow. 😲

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226>

I would advise using mozilla.support.calendar, m.s.firefox,
m.s.seamonkey and m.s.thunderbird for your support questions.

The official support forums on the web are accessible from
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/> (Sorry, no SeaMonkey)

Unofficial support can be found at mozillaZine
<http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php> (Has SeaMonkey)

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Ubuntu 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop

[Luis]

WaltS48 wrote:
> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
> tomorrow. 😲
>
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226>
>
> I would advise using mozilla.support.calendar, m.s.firefox,
> m.s.seamonkey and m.s.thunderbird for your support questions.
>
> The official support forums on the web are accessible from
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/> (Sorry, no SeaMonkey)
>
> Unofficial support can be found at mozillaZine
> <http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php> (Has SeaMonkey)
>

The truth is that all newsgroups will disappear from Internet sooner or
later. The reason is that most users post nonsense useful for nothing.

[░▒▓▀▄▀▄▓▒░]

On 06/03/2018 05:38 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

> This applies to forums as well. I visit Microsoft forums and I am
> really disappointed that moderators aren't doing anything to stop abuse
> of the facilities.

But you're a foul-mouthed troll who regularly abuses other win10 users
on the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup whenever you don't like them
drawing attention to windows 10 problems. You frequently set followup-to
headers to linux groups and accuse them of being the source of trolling
that originated with you.

> They are after number of posters rather than quality
> of posters and the solutions to the problem in question.

You're at the bottom of the barrel and widely killfiled on
alt.comp.os.windows-10, nobody really likes you there.

> Perhaps paid service might help avoid this!! Just a thought.

[Martin Edwards]

You have a point but I hope you are wrong. I am in one where there are
still good discussions.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

[Wolf K]

On 2018-06-04 02:33, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 6/4/2018 1:26 AM, Luis wrote:
>> WaltS48 wrote:
>>> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
>>> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
>>> tomorrow. 😲
>>>
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226>
>>>
>>> I would advise using mozilla.support.calendar, m.s.firefox,
>>> m.s.seamonkey and m.s.thunderbird for your support questions.
>>>
>>> The official support forums on the web are accessible from
>>> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/> (Sorry, no SeaMonkey)
>>>
>>> Unofficial support can be found at mozillaZine
>>> <http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php> (Has SeaMonkey)
>>>
>> The truth is that all newsgroups will disappear from Internet sooner
>> or later. The reason is that most users post nonsense useful for nothing.
>
> You have a point but I hope you are wrong.  I am in one where there are
> still good discussions.

Most newsgroups I used to follow are dead. The few that still have
some traffic have participants who are polite, respect each other, and
follow both explicitly suggested and informal unwritten rules. They do
occasionally chat off-topic, but they don't rant.

Some binary groups were destroyed by flooders (using Power Post and
yEnc), or off-topic posts (mostly politics and porn). But most of the
groups just faded out as people's interests shifted, and social media
offered supposedly "free" alternatives. Some current groups will
continue only as long as current users are still alive. That includes
me: I've had a couple of "incidents" that remind me I'm much closer to
the end than the beginning of my life.

I've been part of thsi group for quite a while, and have had many
interesting conversations here. I'll be sorry to see it shut down.

"Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish."

--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two
weeks ago."

[Tanstaafl]

On 6/3/2018, 7:51:13 PM, WaltS48 <sch...@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote:
> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
> tomorrow. 😲

Is this just the newsgroup? Or the email list as well?

[WaltS48]

Only the GG archive will remain.

The good news is, the person the bug is assigned to, left Mozilla in
February 2018, hasn't been reading bugmail since 2015, and hasn't acted
on any of the bugs assigned to him for that product and component.

<https://mzl.la/2kMWf1R>

Maybe the reporter of the bug wasn't aware of all of that.

[Dave Royal]

On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:31:39 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:

> The good news is, the person the bug is assigned to, left Mozilla in
> February 2018, hasn't been reading bugmail since 2015, and hasn't acted
> on any of the bugs assigned to him for that product and component.
>
> <https://mzl.la/2kMWf1R>

If you mean Gerv, see this
https://blog.gerv.net/2018/02/going-home/

So not good news.
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)

[PietB]

Martin Edwards wrote:

> Luis wrote:
>> The truth is that all newsgroups will disappear from Internet sooner or
>> later. The reason is that most users post nonsense useful for nothing.
>
> You have a point but I hope you are wrong. I am in one where there are
> still good discussions.

On the long term Usenet may vanish altogether. But it has been said a
zillion times before that Usenet will soon cease to exist, because of
the garbage and the lack op interest. Even so there are still some
newsgroups that are quite active and where the usual jerks are kept
in check by the participants.

The problem is that there's nothing to replace it. Sure enough, there
are a zillion forums, but each of them you have to find, you have to
register (which means leaving more or less personal information in a
zillion places), their scope tends to be very narrow, and lots of them
are very inactive (too). That makes them not very useful. Adn whereas
Usenet is still some sort of community, forums are not.

-p

[WaltS48]

On 6/3/18 7:51 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
> tomorrow. 😲
>

Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>

[Caver1]

On 06/04/2018 10:06 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 6/3/18 7:51 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
>> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
>> tomorrow. 😲
>>
>
> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
>

Very good.

--
Caver1

[Luis]

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 6/3/18 7:51 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
>> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
>> tomorrow. 😲
>>
>
> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
>

Maybe is part of the chaos. After all Internet is chaotic nowadays, or not?

[s|b]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:06:42 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:

> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>

A real fine example of "fake news". Somebody call, Trump! <g>

--
s|b

[The Real Bev]

On 06/04/2018 06:57 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:31:39 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
>
>> The good news is, the person the bug is assigned to, left Mozilla in
>> February 2018, hasn't been reading bugmail since 2015, and hasn't acted
>> on any of the bugs assigned to him for that product and component.
>>
>> <https://mzl.la/2kMWf1R>
>
> If you mean Gerv, see this
> https://blog.gerv.net/2018/02/going-home/
>
> So not good news.

No.

My mom lasted 2.5 weeks after "feeling really tired" and being diagnosed
with liver cancer. If he's still around, treatments have improved or
he's just really lucky.

--
Cheers, Bev
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala,
it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet." -- Anon.

[The Real Bev]

If you haven't commented, it can't hurt to do so.

Annoying that bugzilla now wants the most complex password I've yet
seen. My bank and broker don't demand that much :-(

[Disaster Master]

On 6/4/2018, 1:08:14 PM, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Annoying that bugzilla now wants the most complex password I've yet
> seen. My bank and broker don't demand that much :-(

Banks are notorious for not allowing secure passwords.

I had one that would only allow a 6 character password, no uppercase
letters, and no numbers. Ridiculous.

[The Real Bev]

On 06/04/2018 10:08 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/04/2018 09:37 AM, s|b wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:06:42 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>>>
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
>>
>> A real fine example of "fake news". Somebody call, Trump! <g>
>
> If you haven't commented, it can't hurt to do so.

From Mike Hoye: "Thanks for that feedback, Bev. Since there seems to
be a lot of support for that forum, I'll take it off the list."

[🐴Mr. Ed]

On 06/04/18 1:33 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/04/2018 10:08 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 06/04/2018 09:37 AM, s|b wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:06:42 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>>>>
>>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
>>>
>>> A real fine example of "fake news". Somebody call, Trump! <g>
>>
>> If you haven't commented, it can't hurt to do so.
>
> From Mike Hoye:  "Thanks for that feedback, Bev. Since there seems to be a lot of support for that forum, I'll take it off the list."
>

Thanks Bev

--
"This is America! You can't make a horse
testify against himself!" Mister Ed

[Richard Owlett]

There is hope.
My bank has long required uppercase AND lower case AND numeric elements.
However they aren't perfect ;/
A couple of years ago they required a longer password but didn't notify
ALL customers. Got some strange messages for a while ;}

[The Real Bev]

On 06/04/2018 11:08 AM, 🐴Mr. Ed wrote:
> On 06/04/18 1:33 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 06/04/2018 10:08 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 06/04/2018 09:37 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:06:42 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
>>>>
>>>> A real fine example of "fake news". Somebody call, Trump! <g>
>>>
>>> If you haven't commented, it can't hurt to do so.
>>
>> From Mike Hoye: "Thanks for that feedback, Bev. Since there seems to be a lot of support for that forum, I'll take it off the list."
>>
>
> Thanks Bev

Others did the job before me. Just glad it will stay up.

Now we need to use it more!

--
Cheers, Bev
"If you're crazy, you better find a way to make money off it.
Otherwise they will lock you up" -- Hunter S. Thompson

[Balaco ocalaB]

Em 04-06-2018 11:06, WaltS48 escreveu:
> On 6/3/18 7:51 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> Just thought some would like to know m.general is one newsgroup on a
>> list of many to be shuttered and archived. The process may start
>> tomorrow. 😲
>>
>
> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
>
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
>

Happier news, in the end. Happier news for the newsgroup.
(:

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quem você é?
1.b. Do you want to make a comment for me, but do not want
to show who you are?

2.a. Você pode fazê-lo aqui:
2.b. You may do it here:

https://queroouvir.sarahah.com/

[Martin Edwards]

Just so.

[░▒▓▀▄▀▄▓▒░]

On 06/03/2018 05:38 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 01:26, Luis wrote:

> This applies to forums as well. I visit Microsoft forums and I am
> really disappointed that moderators aren't doing anything to stop abuse
> of the facilities.

http://al.howardknight.net/
Usenet Article Lookup
Please provide an exact Message-ID, angle brackets included, to look up:

<pc7fvq$920$1...@news.mixmin.net>
Hey Fucker,
You can tell us how the fuck you are doing it. I am sure you don't know
how to do it.
Windows 10 requires intelligence but you lack that necessary ingredient.

<parq45$qgv$1...@news.mixmin.net>
You are too stupid to be using Windows 10 so I suggest try using
ReactOS. It is Windows by some weird name but you'll love it as it
requires little or no intelligence!!.

<part2m$11f$1...@news.mixmin.net>
I have told you you are too stupid to be using a Windows system. Have
you thought of cutting your losses and start using Linux? Linux is a
wonderful system and you don't have to be creative to prove anything on
it because people don't expect anything from Linux users. They are just
drug junkies...

<pb2vk5$253$1...@news.mixmin.net>
Just stick to one newsgroups where you are likely to get well researched
response. In your case " alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt" more suitable
considering your low IQ.

<pbag98$i2p$1...@news.mixmin.net>
Because there aren't enough idiots like you on this planet to justify
spending millions

<pbahr5$kvf$1...@news.mixmin.net>
Why are you so stupid not to know this basic difference?

<pbegkg$oo1$1...@news.mixmin.net>
The OP is a complete idiot. He likes to cross-posts all over the place
to get maximum publicity about is stupidity.

[Mortman]

On 6/4/2018 1:33 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/04/2018 10:08 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> > On 06/04/2018 09:37 AM, s|b wrote:
> >> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:06:42 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looks like it won't be shuttered after all.
> >>>
> >>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1465226#c7>
> >>
> >> A real fine example of "fake news". Somebody call, Trump! <g>
> >
> > If you haven't commented, it can't hurt to do so.
>
> From Mike Hoye: "Thanks for that feedback, Bev. Since there seems to
> be a lot of support for that forum, I'll take it off the list."
>

Thank you, Thank you!

[Desiree]

On 6/4/2018 3:57 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:31:39 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
>
>> The good news is, the person the bug is assigned to, left Mozilla in
>> February 2018, hasn't been reading bugmail since 2015, and hasn't acted
>> on any of the bugs assigned to him for that product and component.
>>
>> <https://mzl.la/2kMWf1R>
>
> If you mean Gerv, see this
> https://blog.gerv.net/2018/02/going-home/
>
> So not good news.
>

Thank you for that link. I didn't know about Gerv leaving Mozilla or
how bad his long battle with cancer had become.

[PietB]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> Disaster Master wrote:
>> I had one that would only allow a 6 character password, no uppercase
>> letters, and no numbers. Ridiculous.
>
> There is hope.
> My bank has long required uppercase AND lower case AND numeric elements.

Use "My bank has long required uppercase AND lower case AND numeric elements"
as pass sentence: easy to rememer and yet a lot more difficult to crack than
6/7/8-char passwords with figures and special chars. Except of course for
readers of this thread.;-)

-p

[Richard Owlett]

It would not be accepted.
NO numeric element ;/

[s|b]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:46:19 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> There is hope.
> My bank has long required uppercase AND lower case AND numeric elements.
> However they aren't perfect ;/
> A couple of years ago they required a longer password but didn't notify
> ALL customers. Got some strange messages for a while ;}

My bank doesn't require a password. I use my bank card, a Digipass
reader and my PIN-code for transactions. I need the Digipass to confirm
transactions or even simple things like adding a new contact/account.

All sorts of data are required when doing a transaction. For instance, I
have to enter the total amount of money I want to transfer, the last
four numbers of at least one of the accounts I'm transferring money too
and finally my PIN code. AFAIK this offers much more protection than a
password.

--
s|b

[The Real Bev]

I want ease/speed of entry by touch-typing. I'm willing to supply more
characters, I just don't want to have to use the numbers and characters,
which I never learned. Caps are a minor nuisance.

What I really hate are stupid sites requiring multiple captchas to
identify shit that isn't necessarily identifiable, which sites don't --
as far as I'm concerned -- need ANY security.


--
Cheers, Bev
Buckle Up. It makes it harder for the aliens
to suck you out of your car.

[Luis]

Agree.

[WaltS48]

Isn't it nice to be able to ignore the rules and hijack a topic without
changing the Subject.

😁

[Caver1]

On 06/06/2018 12:42 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

> On 06/06/2018 16:59, WaltS48 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't it nice to be able to ignore the rules and hijack a topic
>> without changing the Subject.
>>
>>
>

> It's nice to know that this newsgroup will now be used as a sewer for
> the prolific trolls and spammers!!!!!!!.  They are on Chri's moderation
> list for a reason and you can see why!!
>
> I think I will only be interested in m.s.thunderbird and m.s.firefox
> newsgroups.
>
>
> --
> With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
> satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.


I hope you disappear from them also.

--
Caver1

[The Real Bev]

:-)

Sort of like real life...

--
Cheers, Bev
"I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College."
Al Gore 11/08/00

[Caver1]

Yes, just like real life conversations. Oh this is real life.

--
Caver1

[WaltS48]

Not when you are following the thread expecting to read posts about the
topic.

Very disrespectful.

Real life is face to face or telephone conversations.

YMMV

BTW, you are welcome for for the FYI and Update posts.

[Caver1]

General is for whatever. Just like a party. If you don't like/not
interested in where a conversation is/heading you move to a different
conversation until it moves beyond you then you move on.
Most everybody, including you, are appreciated here for their
contributions.
The support sites is where staying on topic is necessary and appreciated.

--
Caver1

[Balaco ocalaB]

+1

Having good habits is not something to be thrown out simply because the
group is free.

[Daniel]

😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote on 07/06/18 02:42:

> On 06/06/2018 16:59, WaltS48 wrote:
>>
>>
>>

>> Isn't it nice to be able to ignore the rules and hijack a topic
>> without changing the Subject.
>>
>>
>

> It's nice to know that this newsgroup will now be used as a sewer for
> the prolific trolls and spammers!!!!!!!.  They are on Chri's moderation
> list for a reason and you can see why!!
>
> I think I will only be interested in m.s.thunderbird and m.s.firefox
> newsgroups.
>

Good!!

--
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[Caver1]

On 06/07/2018 11:23 AM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
> On 07/06/2018 08:13, Daniel wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Good!!
>>
>
>
> Are you saying you won't miss me?  Why are you always the first to read
> my posts?  Nobody of some intelligence is reading my posts except you.
>

That should be nobody of any intelligence....

--
Caver1

[Daniel]

😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote on 08/06/18 01:23:

> On 07/06/2018 08:13, Daniel wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Good!!
>>
>
>
> Are you saying you won't miss me?  Why are you always the first to read
> my posts?  Nobody of some intelligence is reading my posts except you.
>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /--- This email has been checked for viruses by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Defender software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/comprehensive-security/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
Good Guy, I have seen you post some stuff which I thought might have
actually been helpful to the situation under discussion ... *some* ...
but very, very, occasionally!! And that is probably most often in the
alt.windows7.general UseNet group.

So I don't have you killfiled!!

And, every time you post, we have to put up with your HTML formatted
posts *AND* your garbage sig file Windows 10 AD.

When I weigh up the Pros and Cons .... *BYE BYE* !! At least from here!

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

btw, according to Wikipedia he died 51 days later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gervase_Markham_(programmer)

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[Dave Royal]

Don Spam's Reckless Son <hyperspac...@vogon.gov> Wrote in
message:

Gerv used to organise a sweepstake: you could win swag for filing
the 1 millionth bug for example. I wonder if anyone has that
role now?

I'll also remember him for his Poetic Licence:
<https://www.gerv.net/writings/poetic-licence/bsd.html>
--
(Remove numerics from my email address)

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Don Spam's Reckless Son graced us
with on 2/19/2019 9:15 AM:

I'm saddened to to hear this. While I had known him on a personal level,
I had come to know him from numerous discussions on a professional level.

A belated condolence to his loved ones.

--
Sailfish
Rare Mozilla Stuff: http://tinyurl.com/z86x3sg

[GerardJan]

¡ better then Jimi Hendricks ! :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APWhx97QvxE&list=RD-KRSpM8Rejs&index=4

--
Gerard-Jan Rudersdorff-Vinkesteijn

https://facebook.com/gerardjan.vinkesteijn (east side of the hotel)
Karl's version of Parkinson's Law: Work expands to exceed the time alloted it.

Fedora20
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