[ANNOUNCE] Gaia is now string-frozen (Bucket 1 apps)

[Staś Małolepszy]

Good news, everyone!

*The first string freeze for Gaia is now in effect.*

Thanks for waiting patiently as we polished the final wording and
wrestled with technology when creating the repositories.


How much time do we have?
-------------------------

You have until October 21st to complete this batch. But please follow
the newsgroups in case the schedule changes.


Which apps are string-frozen?
-----------------------------

This is the first string freeze (there will be a second one in October)
and the list of apps that you can start working on (the "bucket 1") is
as follows:

Apps

Browser
Camera
Clock
Communications/Contacts
Communications/Dialer
FM Radio
Gallery
Music
SMS
Video

System

Keyboard

See https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G for details.


Where are the files?
--------------------

The files live in Mercurial in the special gaia-l10n hierarchy:

https://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/

The en-US files are there as well:

https://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/en-US

Remember to clone via SSH, for instance:

hg clone ssh://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/pl

You can use compare-dirs (`pip install compare-locales` will get you
compare-dirs, too) to see the stats.

Some locales will see some strings localized, taken from the git
repository. If you're one of those locales, please review all the
existing translations carefully. Let me repeat for better effect :)

*This is important!* If you worked on Gaia l10n before the string
freeze, please make sure your translations are up-to-date. English
strings may have changed!


What about the dashboard?
-------------------------

You can see the compare-locales output on your locale's team dashboard.
For instance, for Polish, this will be:

https://l10n.mozilla.org/teams/pl

(We'll make it look nicer.)

If you can't see Gaia in there, sign up on the following etherpad and we
will hook your locale up:

https://l10n.etherpad.mozilla.org/community-gaia-list

Sign-off when you're done and have tested your work.


How to test my localization?
----------------------------

Use a desktop build!

See these quick & dirty instructions to get started:

https://gist.github.com/3793871

If they don't work for you, email me or talk to me on IRC. With your
help, I can make this HOWTO much more robust and accurate.

You might also want to check out these two blog posts by yours truly:

Running Boot to Gecko on your desktop
http://www.informationisart.com/11

How to test localizability of Gaia system apps
http://www.informationisart.com/13


Going beyond Bucket 1
---------------------

What else is in store? There will be a second string freeze, expect
updates on the schedule. And we'll also soon start the localization of
the Gecko part of Firefox OS, taken from mozilla-aurora. Think
netError.dtd, global.dtd, intl.properties etc. Most of that already
exists in mobile/ so I don't think there will be a lot of work there.


Questions?
----------

Come on, I thought I covered everything! ;)

Please do ask questions in this thread or on IRC. This process is an
interesting mix of old and new. There might be hiccups along the way,
but my goal is to make it as smooth as possible. I'll appreciate your
feedback and ideas!

Happy translating.

-stas

[Staś Małolepszy]

On 09/28/2012 07:07 PM, Staś Małolepszy wrote:

> How much time do we have?
> -------------------------
>
> You have until October 21st to complete this batch. But please follow
> the newsgroups in case the schedule changes.

Actually, it's October 26th!

That's even better, right?

-stas

[flod]

*facebook.properties*
friendsFound = Found {{numFriends}} friends to import
I think that this string needs some plural form

*dialer.properties*
unlock-a11y-button.aria-label=pickup

Can you clarify when this string is used? To call someone considering that
there's already a "reply"?

*costcontrol.properties*
plantype-setup-title = My phone and internet plan is

Sounds weird (shouldn't it be "are"?)

*settings.properties*
fullStatus-wps-overlapped = Another WPS PBC AP was found.

Not really l10n related, but what is a "WPS PBC AP"? AP=access point,
WPS=wireless protected sysmte, PBC=??

about-your-rights-2 = You are not granted any trademark rights or licenses
to the trademarks of the Mozilla Foundation or any party, including without
Temporary Text limitation the Firefox name or logo. Additional information
on trademarks may be found Only here.

This string doesn't look very "final"

media-storage-details=Photos, videos, and music are stored in the SD Card.
See Media Storage for details.
I think "SD card" was replaced with "memory card" in all other strings.

Francesco

[Julen Ruiz Aizpuru]

lr., 2012.eko iraren 29a 11:40(e)an, flod(e)k idatzi zuen:

>
> *settings.properties*
> fullStatus-wps-overlapped = Another WPS PBC AP was found.
>
> Not really l10n related, but what is a "WPS PBC AP"? AP=access point,
> WPS=wireless protected sysmte, PBC=??

WPS = Wi-Fi Protected Setup
PBC = Push-Button Configuration
AP = Access Point

Basically WPS refers to the semi-automated way of setting up an AP
without having background knowledge about how Wi-Fi networks work. PBC
refers to an actual button in the hardware, and by pushing it you
trigger the configuration.

[Reuben Morais]

On Sep 28, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Staś Małolepszy <st...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Where are the files?
> --------------------
>
> The files live in Mercurial in the special gaia-l10n hierarchy:
>
> https://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/

Can we get MXR to index those repos?

And that directory is not listed in the Mercurial index at <https://hg.mozilla.org>, FWIW.

-- reuben

[Reuben Morais]

[Staś Małolepszy]

On 09/30/2012 06:06 AM, Reuben Morais wrote:
> Can we get MXR to index those repos?

Good idea, I filed a bug:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795709

> And that directory is not listed in the Mercurial index at
> <https://hg.mozilla.org>, FWIW.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792022

:)

-stas

[Ibraahiima SAAR]

Hi all,
I went though the process of cloning gaia using instruction on
https://gist.github.com/3793871.
Everything went well.
But when I come to:
ibrahima@ubuntu:~/gaia$ hg clone ssh://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/ff

I get the message:
*remote: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
abort: no suitable response from remote hg!*
Does anybody know wht the problem is?

PS: I have the locale folder for en-US but not the Fulah folder.

Regards
Ibrahima

2012/9/30 Staś Małolepszy <st...@mozilla.com>

>
>
> On 09/30/2012 06:06 AM, Reuben Morais wrote:
>
>> Can we get MXR to index those repos?
>>
>
> Good idea, I filed a bug:
>

> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=795709<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795709>

>
>
> And that directory is not listed in the Mercurial index at
>> <https://hg.mozilla.org>, FWIW.
>>
>

> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=792022<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792022>
>
> :)
>
> -stas
>
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[Fernando Pereira Silveira]

I'm not sure how to deal with some specific strings, like those:

feedback
- feedback-url.action = http://b2gtestdrivers.allizom.org/comments

settings
- online-support-link=www.telefonica.com
- call-support-number=+1 650-903-0800

How should I localize them?

[Eduardo Trápani]

I'd like to report an error, but Boot2Gecko doesn't have a l10n
component and Mozilla Localizations doesn't have a en-US locale. To
which component should I file it? (if at all)

The string is[1]:

fullStatus-wps-timedout = WPS was timedout.

Eduardo.

[1]
http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/en-US/file/335e1a8ac642/apps/settings/settings.properties#l69

[Staś Małolepszy]

Hi Eduardo,

I suggest filing a bug in Boot2Gecko > Gaia and adding the 'l12y'
keyword which I watch :)

One more thing: it's not the case for this string, but for apps that
are not string frozen (and settings aren't [1]) it might be good to
crosscheck if the problem occurs in the .properties file in the git
repository:


https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/settings/locales/settings.en-US.properties

The en-US files in HG might be slightly outdated compared to git. I'll
try to migrate them over more frequently to avoid confusion.

Thanks,
-stas

[1] See the list here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G

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[Eduardo Trápani]

> I suggest filing a bug in Boot2Gecko > Gaia and adding the 'l12y'
> keyword which I watch :)

Ok, done: Bug 802572

> One more thing: it's not the case for this string, but for apps that are
> not string frozen (and settings aren't [1]) it might be good to
> crosscheck if the problem occurs in the .properties file in the git
> repository:

Checking that on two different repositories looks like a lot of work.

> The en-US files in HG might be slightly outdated compared to git. I'll
> try to migrate them over more frequently to avoid confusion.

Would it be safe for us (those of us who want to, anyway) to clone the
git repository instead of the mercurial one? "git pull" instead of "hg
pull" would not make a huge difference in the workflow ;). Or is the
git repository something like "central" and the mercurial one something
like "beta"?

I hope that you follow the same Firefox policy on l10n changes so that
nothing goes unnoticed.

Eduardo.

[Staś Małolepszy]

On Wed 17 Oct 2012 06:45:59 AM PDT, Eduardo Trápani wrote:
>> I suggest filing a bug in Boot2Gecko > Gaia and adding the 'l12y'
>> keyword which I watch :)
>
> Ok, done: Bug 802572

Thanks.

>> One more thing: it's not the case for this string, but for apps that are
>> not string frozen (and settings aren't [1]) it might be good to
>> crosscheck if the problem occurs in the .properties file in the git
>> repository:
>
> Checking that on two different repositories looks like a lot of work.

This is only because some of the apps are not string frozen yet. I
recommend starting the l10n work on the bucket1 apps [1]. For bucket1,
you only need to check the HG en-US repository.

The reason why I suggested checking in the git repo is that the
Settings app is not string-frozen yet.

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G#Bucket_1_.28September_28.29

>
>> The en-US files in HG might be slightly outdated compared to git. I'll
>> try to migrate them over more frequently to avoid confusion.
>
> Would it be safe for us (those of us who want to, anyway) to clone the
> git repository instead of the mercurial one? "git pull" instead of "hg
> pull" would not make a huge difference in the workflow ;). Or is the
> git repository something like "central" and the mercurial one something
> like "beta"?

The layout and naming of the l10n files is slightly different in git
than it is in hg.

git: apps/browser/locales/browser.en-US.propertis
hg: en-US/apps/browser/browser.properties

Running compare-locales/compare-dirs is not be possible because of
this. If it doesn't bother you too much, you can of course track the
git repo.

And if you do, know that you're helping me a ton discover
localizability issues :)

>
> I hope that you follow the same Firefox policy on l10n changes so that
> nothing goes unnoticed.

Yes, for string-frozen apps we have the same policy as outlined on
https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G#Changing_strings_after_the_string-freeze

Thanks,
-stas

[Mad Maks]

Op 28-09-12 19:07, Staś Małolepszy schreef:

>
>
> How to test my localization?
> ----------------------------
>
> Use a desktop build!
>
> See these quick & dirty instructions to get started:
>
> https://gist.github.com/3793871
>

hi

i followed your directions but a can not change de language in the
settings, no matter what i change in apps/settings/index.html it don't
show when i run the build.

Greetings

Tim Maks

[Staś Małolepszy]

Oh boy...

Confirmed. I can't get it to work either. :(

I'm at a conference since yesterday, so I'm unlikely to have time to
debug this today. I'll see what I can do over the weekend.

Sorry for the trouble!
-stas

[stelis...@gmail.com]

I got this issue too.

Stas, maybe xulrunner sdk is old. I cloned latest github clone (19.0a1), but when I type "DEBUG=1 make profile" terminal downloads 17.0a1 version of xulrunner sdk.

[Mad Maks]

Op 19-10-12 16:30, Staś Małolepszy schreef:

> Oh boy...
>
> Confirmed. I can't get it to work either. :(
>
> I'm at a conference since yesterday, so I'm unlikely to have time to
> debug this today. I'll see what I can do over the weekend.
>
> Sorry for the trouble!
> -stas
>

What is the status on this?

greetings

Tim Maks

[Staś Małolepszy]

On 11/10/2012 05:50 AM, Mad Maks wrote:
> What is the status on this?

I have good news!

I was able to work with the B2G and Gaia devs last week and we
identified the bugs that were causing problems.

- DEBUG=1 used to not work at all. This was fixed two or three weeks ago.

- I pushed for fixing bug 809972 [1] due to which it was impossible to
actually switch the locale on the desktop build.

- Lastly, there's bug 799768 [2] which is still open but has a
work-around patch attached to it. This bug makes it almost impossible
to use the desktop build on Linux. This was blocking me on debugging
other l10n problems. I now build my own desktop builds with the patch
applied. You can find them here (64bit only for now):

http://people.mozilla.com/~stas/b2g/


I updated the wiki pages about the B2G localization process. Hopefully,
they should provide a comprehensive guide to testing localization on the
desktop builds now.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G
https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G/Localizers

(I still don't have access to a Windows machine, so my recommendation is
to use a Linux VM on Windows for B2G testing).

Please let me know if you were able to run the desktop builds as
described on the wiki. If not, let me know what problems you ran into
and I'll try to debug/fix them.

Thanks!
-stas


[1] settings.js: gracefully handle missing nsIAudioManager on desktop builds
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809972

[2] B2G desktop doesn't redraw the UI properly
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799768

[Mad Maks]

Op zo 11 nov 2012 01:23:17 CET, Staś Małolepszy schreef:

>
> On 11/10/2012 05:50 AM, Mad Maks wrote:

> > What is the status on this?
>

Hi Stas

Your directions on the wiki are great, it all works!

i made two small edits, how to close the setting screen and add a 's' to
locale/locales.ini

Greetings

Tim Maks

[Fernando Pereira Silveira]

wow! thanks a lot for your b2g build! this annoying bug was retarding my l10n tests...

[flod]

Il 11/11/12 01:23, Stas' Ma?olepszy ha scritto:

> Please let me know if you were able to run the desktop builds as
> described on the wiki. If not, let me know what problems you ran into
> and I'll try to debug/fix them.

Tried quickly but still unable to change language on Mac:

* I don't see the language I add in Settings (I tried opening
index.html in the browser and removing hidden attribute from the
language selector and it's there)
* the script migrate.sh doesn't seem to work

When running migrate.sh I get a bunch of errors like this

migrate.sh: line 95: $_tmp: ambiguous redirect
usage: mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source target
mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source ... directory

Francesco

[Staś Małolepszy]

On Thu 15 Nov 2012 04:49:46 AM SGT, flod wrote:
> Il 11/11/12 01:23, Stas' Ma?olepszy ha scritto:
>> Please let me know if you were able to run the desktop builds as
>> described on the wiki. If not, let me know what problems you ran
>> into and I'll try to debug/fix them.
> Tried quickly but still unable to change language on Mac:
>
> * I don't see the language I add in Settings (I tried opening
> index.html in the browser and removing hidden attribute from the
> language selector and it's there)

This might be related to caching. Also, did you edit both
apps/settings/index.html and apps/settings/resources/languages.lang?

> * the script migrate.sh doesn't seem to work
>
> When running migrate.sh I get a bunch of errors like this
>
> migrate.sh: line 95: $_tmp: ambiguous redirect
> usage: mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source target
> mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source ... directory

Looks like I forgot quotes around $_tmp. I updated the script:


https://github.com/stasm/gaia-l10n/commit/faa6605a3cf501e33f2665e1bd63b6bafde27271

Can you try it again?

-stas

[Staś Małolepszy]

On 11/15/2012 03:05 AM, Fernando Pereira Silveira wrote:
> wow! thanks a lot for your b2g build! this annoying bug was retarding my l10n tests...

Yeah, it was the same for me. I'm happy to hear that it was helpful to
other people, too.

-stas

[Staś Małolepszy]

On Sat 17 Nov 2012 06:09:12 PM SGT, flod wrote:
> Il 17/11/12 10:32, Staś Małolepszy ha scritto:

>> This might be related to caching. Also, did you edit both
>> apps/settings/index.html and apps/settings/resources/languages.lang?

> Tried several times, also removed completely the existing git
> repository and started from scratch (I'm doing it again right now).
>
> Now I see a completely different screen (I guess that's the
> setup/welcome screen). I see "Italian" but it's disabled, I can only
> select English or Spanish.
> I completed the setup with English, then in Settings I don't see
> Italian anymore.

The setup screen (FTU, First Time Usage) has the list of locales
hardcoded in it for now, so just press "Next" until it's gone.

Stupid question: are you sure you're using the profile made with
DEBUG=1 ? What operating system are you on? On Mac OS X, it's
important to run b2g-bin instead of b2g.

>> Can you try it again?

> Still the same errors. If I open a locales.ini (for example in
> apps/bluetooth) here's the content (I don't think it's right)
>> @import url(bluetooth.en-US.properties)
>> [it]

Yeah, definitely not good. What does "which mktemp" say when you run
in in the command line? Can you try making a change similar to this
one http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1945449 in the script and see if it
works?

-stas

[flod]

Il 17/11/12 10:32, Staś Małolepszy ha scritto:
> This might be related to caching. Also, did you edit both
> apps/settings/index.html and apps/settings/resources/languages.lang?
Tried several times, also removed completely the existing git repository
and started from scratch (I'm doing it again right now).

Now I see a completely different screen (I guess that's the
setup/welcome screen). I see "Italian" but it's disabled, I can only
select English or Spanish.
I completed the setup with English, then in Settings I don't see Italian
anymore.

> Can you try it again?
Still the same errors. If I open a locales.ini (for example in
apps/bluetooth) here's the content (I don't think it's right)
> @import url(bluetooth.en-US.properties)
> [it]

Francesco

[flod]

Il 17/11/12 11:23, Staś Małolepszy ha scritto:

> Stupid question: are you sure you're using the profile made with
> DEBUG=1 ? What operating system are you on? On Mac OS X, it's
> important to run b2g-bin instead of b2g.

Argh...
https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G/Localizers
> (On Mac OS X, the path to the b2g executable is
> |/Applications/B2G.app/Contents/MacOS/b2g|. You'll also need to
> specify /absolute/ path to the profile, without the trailing slash.)
That's the problem, now I can see and set the language to Italian even
if it doesn't change anything ;-)

> Yeah, definitely not good. What does "which mktemp" say when you run
> in in the command line?

/usr/bin/mktemp

> Can you try making a change similar to this one
> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1945449 in the script and see if it works?

Changed error

sed: 1: "/\[it\]/a @import url(g ...": command a expects \ followed by text

And now all locales.ini are empty.

Francesco

[Staś Małolepszy]

On Sat 17 Nov 2012 07:49:41 PM SGT, flod wrote:
> Il 17/11/12 11:23, Staś Małolepszy ha scritto:
>> Stupid question: are you sure you're using the profile made with
>> DEBUG=1 ? What operating system are you on? On Mac OS X, it's
>> important to run b2g-bin instead of b2g.
> Argh...
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G/Localizers
>> (On Mac OS X, the path to the b2g executable is
>> |/Applications/B2G.app/Contents/MacOS/b2g|. You'll also need to
>> specify /absolute/ path to the profile, without the trailing slash.)
> That's the problem, now I can see and set the language to Italian even
> if it doesn't change anything ;-)

D'oh! I was thinking about b2g-bin when I was writing this!

>
>> Yeah, definitely not good. What does "which mktemp" say when you run
>> in in the command line?
> /usr/bin/mktemp
>
>> Can you try making a change similar to this one
>> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1945449 in the script and see if it works?
> Changed error
>
> sed: 1: "/\[it\]/a @import url(g ...": command a expects \ followed by
> text

Err, what is your bash version? Do you code in bash? Can you try
coming up with a patch? :)

>
> And now all locales.ini are empty.

Yeah, that's expected with the error above. "cd gaia && git checkout
-- ." should remedy that.

-stas

>
> Francesco

[Guillermo López]

2012/11/17 Staś Małolepszy <st...@mozilla.com>

>
>
> On Sat 17 Nov 2012 07:49:41 PM SGT, flod wrote:
>
>> Il 17/11/12 11:23, Staś Małolepszy ha scritto:
>>
>>> Stupid question: are you sure you're using the profile made with
>>> DEBUG=1 ? What operating system are you on? On Mac OS X, it's
>>> important to run b2g-bin instead of b2g.
>>>
>> Argh...

>> https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:**B2G/Localizers<https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:B2G/Localizers>

>>
>>> (On Mac OS X, the path to the b2g executable is

>>> |/Applications/B2G.app/**Contents/MacOS/b2g|. You'll also need to

>>> specify /absolute/ path to the profile, without the trailing slash.)
>>>
>> That's the problem, now I can see and set the language to Italian even
>> if it doesn't change anything ;-)
>>
>
> D'oh! I was thinking about b2g-bin when I was writing this!
>
>
>
>> Yeah, definitely not good. What does "which mktemp" say when you run
>>> in in the command line?
>>>
>> /usr/bin/mktemp
>>
>> Can you try making a change similar to this one

>>> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/**1945449<http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1945449>in the script and see if it works?

>>>
>> Changed error
>>
>> sed: 1: "/\[it\]/a @import url(g ...": command a expects \ followed by
>> text
>>
>
> Err, what is your bash version? Do you code in bash? Can you try coming
> up with a patch? :)

There is a problem with this script on mac. I have some notes:

- _tmp=$(mktemp)
- sed "/\[$loc\]/a $import_loc\n" $ini > "$_tmp"
+ _tmp=$(mktemp -u=777 /tmp/gaia/tmp.XXXX)
+ gsed "/\[$loc\]/a $import_loc" $ini > $_tmp

mktemp has different usage on mac

sed does not work, but gnu-sed yes. If you have "brew", install gnu-sed.

>
>
>
>> And now all locales.ini are empty.
>>
>
> Yeah, that's expected with the error above. "cd gaia && git checkout --
> ." should remedy that.
>
> -stas
>
>
>
>> Francesco
>>

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[flod]

Can someone show me a locales.ini with a second locale? At least I can
change it manually without messing up things even more ;-)

Francesco

[Staś Małolepszy]

On Sat 17 Nov 2012 08:11:32 PM SGT, flod wrote:
> Can someone show me a locales.ini with a second locale? At least I can
> change it manually without messing up things even more ;-)

Sure. Here's the one for browser:
https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/browser/locales/locales.ini

@import url(browser.en-US.properties)

[fr]
@import url(browser.fr.properties)

[zh-TW]
@import url(browser.zh-TW.properties)

[Staś Małolepszy]

[flod]

I almost gave up ;-)

Opened a Linux VM and run into a variant of this error (how big is
xulrunner on Linux??)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704298

So I run migrate.sh and moved the apps folder to my Mac, at least now it
starts in Italian.

Francesco