Will Firefox OS continue to be developed?

[KUPOinyourWINDOW]

After reading today's news, I'm confused and a little worried.

[Greg Weng]

You mean this?

http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/

2015-12-08 17:12 GMT-05:00 KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com>:

After reading today's news, I'm confused and a little worried.

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[KUPOinyourWINDOW]

Yeah I do, I'm a Flame owner and I really enjoy testing Firefox OS (I'm excited for 2.5 at the moment) but the way the articles are writing it makes it seem like it's all stopping. Anyways I decided to ask here.

[Kevin Grandon]

FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.

I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!

Best,

Kevin

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:42 PM, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah I do, I'm a Flame owner and I really enjoy testing Firefox OS (I'm excited for 2.5 at the moment) but the way the articles are writing it makes it seem like it's all stopping. Anyways I decided to ask here.

[Greg Weng]

I think maybe marketing team should clarify that or to ask media to give an update. Some of my friends outside our company and community also asked the same question with the same thought.

2015-12-08 17:44 GMT-05:00 Kevin Grandon <kevin...@grandon.org>:

FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.

I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!

Best,

Kevin

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:42 PM, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah I do, I'm a Flame owner and I really enjoy testing Firefox OS (I'm excited for 2.5 at the moment) but the way the articles are writing it makes it seem like it's all stopping. Anyways I decided to ask here.

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[Jesús Israel Perales Martínez]

really? , i want buy a firefox os phone in México, my alcatel one touch fire is broken (wi-fi and camera), any information or suggestion for buy one smart phone with firefox os in México ?,  excuse me my english is very bad

El 08/12/2015 a las 04:48 p.m., Greg Weng escribió:

I think maybe marketing team should clarify that or to ask media to give an update. Some of my friends outside our company and community also asked the same question with the same thought.

2015-12-08 17:44 GMT-05:00 Kevin Grandon <kevin...@grandon.org>:

FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.

I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!

Best,

Kevin

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:42 PM, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah I do, I'm a Flame owner and I really enjoy testing Firefox OS (I'm excited for 2.5 at the moment) but the way the articles are writing it makes it seem like it's all stopping. Anyways I decided to ask here.

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[KUPOinyourWINDOW]

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:
> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>
>
> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>
>
> Best,
> Kevin

Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

[Wilfred Mathanaraj]

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

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> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

[Joel Cesar]

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[Wilfred Mathanaraj]

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[Sam Foster]

I cant wait for a working Raspberry Pi port - is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225139 the best bug to track that? It seems like it unlocks a lot of potential in this new context of prototyping around connected devices. RPi brings an existing community and tools, and would be a great base to build on with parts and expansion modules readily available for doing lots of fun and useful stuff. The RPi foundation seems well aligned on mission as well.

One thing we'll run into almost immediately is that Gaia is predominately touch-centric - touch exclusive even. More reasons to merge the tv system app.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[Joel Cesar]

I do understand, but I think the PC market would be a good proposition, there is no Linux distro got it right, sometimes you have a bad UI, sometimes a bad UX. You can start by using some of them as a base but focusing on the UI, like you are doing with the phone. Microsoft once mention that the XP migration was a 12B dollar market. It make sense a well organized institution like Mozilla backing a project like this, I think. It also make much easy to people try to use, you get a USB install and use, what will may attract more developers. Good luck.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[Greg Weng]

Another news site gives an even more strong title:

"Firefox OS smartphones are dead"
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/12/firefox-os-smartphones-are-dead/

With an assertion that claims "Mozilla is ending its plan to build an OS for smartphones". Although its content is actually from the same source.

2015-12-08 23:58 GMT-05:00 Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com>:

I do understand, but I think the PC market would be a good proposition, there is no Linux distro got it right, sometimes you have a bad UI, sometimes a bad UX. You can start by using some of them as a base but focusing on the UI, like you are doing with the phone. Microsoft once mention that the XP migration was a 12B dollar market. It make sense a well organized institution like Mozilla backing a project like this, I think. It also make much easy to people try to use, you get a USB install and use, what will may attract more developers. Good luck.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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+1 would love to see us on raspberry pi. 

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:55, Sam Foster <sfo...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I cant wait for a working Raspberry Pi port - is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225139 the best bug to track that? It seems like it unlocks a lot of potential in this new context of prototyping around connected devices. RPi brings an existing community and tools, and would be a great base to build on with parts and expansion modules readily available for doing lots of fun and useful stuff. The RPi foundation seems well aligned on mission as well.

One thing we'll run into almost immediately is that Gaia is predominately touch-centric - touch exclusive even. More reasons to merge the tv system app.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

-

On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[ramy daghstani]

I would hate to see FFOS compete on an already saturated desktop linux market. Maybe if it was focused, such as a competitor in the chromeOS space, it could offer something specific and beneficial. RPI and other Single Board Computer support would be cool but another part of me has to ask: to what end? maybe something needs to be done about the app driven integrated space? I guess I'll wait for an official update with new information to see.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

+1 would love to see us on raspberry pi. 

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:55, Sam Foster <sfo...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I cant wait for a working Raspberry Pi port - is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225139 the best bug to track that? It seems like it unlocks a lot of potential in this new context of prototyping around connected devices. RPi brings an existing community and tools, and would be a great base to build on with parts and expansion modules readily available for doing lots of fun and useful stuff. The RPi foundation seems well aligned on mission as well.

One thing we'll run into almost immediately is that Gaia is predominately touch-centric - touch exclusive even. More reasons to merge the tv system app.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

-

> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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hi,

may be waiting for official Mozilla

I saw this yesterdays

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/12/08/mozilla-puts-the-brakes-on-firefox-os-project/

Christophe

2015-12-09 7:14 GMT+01:00 ramy daghstani <ramy.da...@gmail.com>:

I would hate to see FFOS compete on an already saturated desktop linux market. Maybe if it was focused, such as a competitor in the chromeOS space, it could offer something specific and beneficial. RPI and other Single Board Computer support would be cool but another part of me has to ask: to what end? maybe something needs to be done about the app driven integrated space? I guess I'll wait for an official update with new information to see.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

+1 would love to see us on raspberry pi. 

-

On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:55, Sam Foster <sfo...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I cant wait for a working Raspberry Pi port - is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225139 the best bug to track that? It seems like it unlocks a lot of potential in this new context of prototyping around connected devices. RPi brings an existing community and tools, and would be a great base to build on with parts and expansion modules readily available for doing lots of fun and useful stuff. The RPi foundation seems well aligned on mission as well.

One thing we'll run into almost immediately is that Gaia is predominately touch-centric - touch exclusive even. More reasons to merge the tv system app.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

-

On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

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> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[ramy daghstani]

I think that's still based of the techcrunch article. I'd rather see something from mozilla.org

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

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and it's already too late on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3vyvys/mozilla_will_stop_developing_and_selling_firefox/

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On 09/12/2015 06:28, Greg Weng wrote:

Another news site gives an even more strong title:

"Firefox OS smartphones are dead"
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/12/firefox-os-smartphones-are-dead/

With an assertion that claims "Mozilla is ending its plan to build an OS for smartphones". Although its content is actually from the same source.

2015-12-08 23:58 GMT-05:00 Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com>:

I do understand, but I think the PC market would be a good proposition, there is no Linux distro got it right, sometimes you have a bad UI, sometimes a bad UX. You can start by using some of them as a base but focusing on the UI, like you are doing with the phone. Microsoft once mention that the XP migration was a 12B dollar market. It make sense a well organized institution like Mozilla backing a project like this, I think. It also make much easy to people try to use, you get a USB install and use, what will may attract more developers. Good luck.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I think when we talk about connected devices we don't want to spread thin across a large area. 

We should possibly focus on areas where we can make quick gains and have the most impact. We can then extend our reach based on those gains into other areas. 

There are also some further work that teams are doing to implement the "beyond browser" ideas but I don't think we are yet ready to do a whole OS for a PC.  Perhaps long term this may be something to investigate. 

Wilfred

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On 8 Dec 2015, at 23:18, Joel Cesar <joel.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I like connected devices idea. No plans for desktops/laptops? It will be very nice to have a open contender against Chrome OS that will be able to install in any device and replace all the old Windows XP :)

Regards,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

There is an updated press release coming to clarify the messaging via the press team.

Wilfred

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> On 8 Dec 2015, at 18:56, KUPOinyourWINDOW <reece...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:45:02 PM UTC, Kevin Grandon wrote:

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

> Thank you for the info, this is good to see!

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[Adam Farden]

> No "back" and "home" buttons. OHA requires that android phones have these for REALLY GOOD REASONS. Because not having them REALLY FUCKING SUCKS. Providing software "back" buttons is up to the application and some do it, some don't, and sometimes they do but it doesn't work. That went even for the core system applications like contact lists.

Yet another mention of this problem.

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
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On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Greg Weng <gw...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> You mean this?
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/

That's a bit sad, there is a need for several alternative mobile platforms

To what I've been reading this evening, it is shifting to connected devices :

https://www.reddit.com/r/mozilla/comments/3vysk7/mozilla_will_stop_developing_and_selling_firefox/

For the record, Mozilla is stopping work on smart phones. TV's and
connected devices (IoT) are still very much targets for FxOS. It is
not dead. OEM's could still conceivably launch a new Firefox OS phone
if they wanted, though the odds of that are now much slimmer.

Source: was at the keynote

Now I am wondering if it will affect relationships with existing ODMs...

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 2:10 AM, RzR <www.rzr....@gmail.com> wrote:

For the record, Mozilla is stopping work on smart phones. TV's and
connected devices (IoT) are still very much targets for FxOS. It is
not dead. OEM's could still conceivably launch a new Firefox OS phone
if they wanted, though the odds of that are now much slimmer.

​I think many contributors will lose their interest if they can't run FxOS on their phone.​

[KUPOinyourWINDOW]

I think some people need to calm down with these comments, I personally will be really upset if my Flame suddenly stops receiving updates but venting here isn't going to change that. All we can do is wait and hope.
I simply appreciate that people working on FFOS take their time to respond to these.

[David Rajchenbach-Teller]

For what it's worth, the entire FFOS team (as well as PR) is traveling
this week. Not the best week to get in touch with them.

Cheers,
David

On 09/12/15 14:11, KUPOinyourWINDOW wrote:
> I think some people need to calm down with these comments, I personally will be really upset if my Flame suddenly stops receiving updates but venting here isn't going to change that. All we can do is wait and hope.
> I simply appreciate that people working on FFOS take their time to respond to these.

[Wilfred Mathanaraj]

And a blog post went also live now:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/09/firefox-os-pivot-to-connected-devices/

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[Reza Akhavan]

These two tweets are also helpful:

https://twitter.com/jaaksi/status/674678654333550593
FirefoxOS is alive and strong, but the push through carriers is over. We pivot to IoT and user experience. #mozlando

https://twitter.com/jaaksi/status/674371311708319745
#Mozilla will stop offering Firefox OS phones through carriers. But we will continue improving web experience on smartphones. #mozlando

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indirectly it says that no more development on mobile. foxfooding will continue.

[ramy daghstani]

that's not what I understood. It said they aren't making phones but is still involved with devices. So maybe FFOS could still be a mobile OS in the same way that the Ubuntu touch is an OS for phones available for the Nexus 4, Nexus 7 2013 WiFi, and the Nexus 10.

Ultimately we're making assumptions because the press release is ambiguous.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:51 PM, <kskar...@gmail.com> wrote:

indirectly it says that no more development on mobile. foxfooding will continue.

[Arief Bayu Purwanto]

Here's what I get from the discussion few months ago (offline discussion with WQ). We stop releasing new phones and focus on foxfooding for next year(s). We will continue release phones (and do vendor agreement) once we are sure that Firefox OS's quality is good. Still need confirmation though.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 11:59 AM, ramy daghstani <ramy.da...@gmail.com> wrote:

that's not what I understood. It said they aren't making phones but is still involved with devices. So maybe FFOS could still be a mobile OS in the same way that the Ubuntu touch is an OS for phones available for the Nexus 4, Nexus 7 2013 WiFi, and the Nexus 10.

Ultimately we're making assumptions because the press release is ambiguous.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:51 PM, <kskar...@gmail.com> wrote:

indirectly it says that no more development on mobile. foxfooding will continue.

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Le 09/12/2015 18:31, Adam Farden a écrit :

> No "back" and "home" buttons. OHA requires that android phones have these for REALLY GOOD REASONS. Because not having them REALLY FUCKING SUCKS. Providing software "back" buttons is up to the application and some do it, some don't, and sometimes they do but it doesn't work. That went even for the core system applications like contact lists.

Hey Adam !

I fail to understand why this is relevant to this discussion.

>> FirefoxOS will still be developed, but for a different
>> purpose. Instead of being driven by carriers and commercial sales, we'll
>> be using it to drive the platform for many connected devices.
>>
>>
>> I think dogfooders will remain extremely valuable, so please continue to use and test FirefoxOS!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>
>

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if that's confirmed its good

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Sam Foster <sfo...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I cant wait for a working Raspberry Pi port - is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225139 the best bug to track that?

Yes.

[Alexandre Lissy]

To note during the work week I met Giorgio and he did lots of progress on that :-)

Andre Natal a écrit :

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Sam Foster <sfo...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I cant wait for a working Raspberry Pi port - is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225139 the best bug to track that?

Yes.

Envoyé depuis Firefox OS

[Leo Francisco]

Just going to throw this out there for a bit of vision.

Imagine FFOS or some permeation of it running on your router, IOT devices and TV. Updates straight from Mozilla or the community. Secure free software that you can trust on the smart devices that will become ubiquitous in your house.

I think the phone market is just too locked down to carve out a niche. Apple did it through UI/Hardware design and Google did it by giving the carriers free reign on their OS. Unless there is some massive advancement on the open hardware front, there's no way proper free software projects can be anything more than a niche on the phone.

There's a couple of areas that could be considered:

The home router is still one of the areas where free software should dominate but instead we're stuck in this weird middle ground where the majority of routers are running some old crunky version of Linux, long abandoned by the manufacturer. Maybe a great GUI on top of a Linux Kernel could be a basis for a great router OS. Add some features for robust "cloud" streaming/storage.  I'd buy that. Sort of meeting point between FreeNAS/DD-WRT with a great modern customizable GUI.

Could also link up with a "Matchstick" style stick in the back of your TV and could link with the router storage stuff and be sent content from the Firefox browser. The Chromecast but done right. All secure, tightly integrated and in direct partnership with hardware manufactures who aren’t bothered about controlling the software themselves.

Just a couple of ideas. Not sure if they represent true gaps in the market. Sorry for the essay. Anyone have any other ideas?

Leo

 

On 09/12/15 21:26, Reza Akhavan wrote:

These two tweets are also helpful:

https://twitter.com/jaaksi/status/674678654333550593
FirefoxOS is alive and strong, but the push through carriers is over. We pivot to IoT and user experience. #mozlando

https://twitter.com/jaaksi/status/674371311708319745
#Mozilla will stop offering Firefox OS phones through carriers. But we will continue improving web experience on smartphones. #mozlando

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Wilfred Mathanaraj <wil...@mozilla.com> wrote:

And a blog post went also live now:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/09/firefox-os-pivot-to-connected-devices/

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>
> For what it's worth, the entire FFOS team (as well as PR) is traveling
> this week. Not the best week to get in touch with them.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>> On 09/12/15 14:11, KUPOinyourWINDOW wrote:
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Leo, what you describe aligns very well with my own vision for how Firefox OS might expand into IoT and other connected devices. The router is the real centre of the connected home and is ripe for innovation, also an HDMI stick to bring the TV experience to any HD TV could really lower the barrier of entry for participation.

In fact before the work week in Orlando I put together four example product concepts very much along these lines. This includes a keyboard computer built on Raspberry Pi, a tablet dedicated to using the web, an HDMI stick to turn any TV into a smart TV and a Firefox branded smart router.

These are exactly the kinds of products we will be exploring as we expand Firefox OS into new form factors and innovative new products in the world of connected devices beyond smartphones.

I'd say to everyone - don't take too much notice of the clickbait headlines in the tech press. Firefox OS is very much alive and expanding into new areas. We also haven't given up on the smartphone which is still a key component of the connected home, we're just pulling back on sales of devices through carriers while we re-imagine the smartphone user experience as something even more Mozilla. Foxfooding will be more important than ever as we test out new ideas.

The product team is currently working on a process by which new product ideas can be proposed and under the right circumstances can be given resources to move forward. This process will be open to the community as we're going to need the full force of the community to write the next chapter of the Firefox OS story.

Ben