Adolph the Great
climber
Stop. No bleating. Visit the site for in-depth view of many
positive National Socialist inititives. Pioneered laws protecting
animals,
cancer research, environmental protections, etc.
climber
re: There is a new book about National Socialist government really
funding
and encouraging cancer studies.
S'mee
Oh piss off cowards...you fucks are gun grabbers pure and simple. BUT
go ahead, take power...then I have an esxcues alibi and LEGEAL
recourse to shoot you your women your children and burn your cities.
So THIEVES beware...I never bury your dead, my relatives left the
nazi's they killed as carrion feed and refused to bury them. It's a
bit a family tradition regarading you traitrours fuckers. Yeah, I mean
it also...anyone who joins the your group is a traitor to the
constitution and to humanity.
So have a nice day and I hope your entire family and all your friends
get cancer or aids.
p.s. On a personal note for Climber...is it true you like climbing
your tounge up Krusty Kritters asshole?
Frank
Maybe just a joke site.
Recently saw a video of Hitler on History Channel during his early
years. Quite frightening because he was quite charming and had a lot of
supporters. Blamed the bankers, who were Jews for currency problem.
Reminds me of current leader in US.
Bob Myers
> http://www.adolfthegreat.com/
>
> Stop. No bleating. Visit the site for in-depth view of many
> positive National Socialist inititives. Pioneered laws protecting
> animals,
> cancer research, environmental protections, etc.
If it weren't for this suspicion I have that they're actually
serious, that site would be a GREAT source of laughs.
Bob M.
Road Glidin' Don
There's few things funnier than watching a simpleton troll evanglize
the Nazi way (after it destroyed the nation that embraced it) and then
thinking people should listen to him because he knows how to fix
America. Great track record.
Frank
climber
Hi, Load Swallowing Don. I will continue to post interesting political
links.
http://www.folkandfaith.com/articles/anarchy.shtml National Anarchism
Folks are starting to realize that the liberal/conservative, Democrat/
Republican
complex (axis?) is much ado about nothing.
climber
saddlebag
S'mee
Hey traitor to the america's. Why don't you kill yourself or take a
step on my property...which in the case of all nazi's,
stalinist'leninists is the same as suicide.
Better you you fatherless little shit, how about you leave the fucking
country while you are still intact.
S'mee
Yeah, NAZI'S are gun grabbers. I guess that means Nacy the bitch
Pelosi likes little fucktards like you. Me I LOVE people like
you...they taste like pork.
Rob Kleinschmidt
Bedell, a software engineer, left a long Internet trail behind him.
It paints a portrait of an educated but angry young man with
strong libertarian ideas who seethed with resentment for the
government over its marijuana laws and alleged international
conspiracies, each of which he brought together in an
inscrutable business plan for something called
"information currency."
saddlebag
Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
of loony middle eastern fanatics. The things they all share are an
inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
What is truly scary is their numbers on this planet. You'd have
thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young. About middle
age they either condemn sex or find little boys with whom to do it in
bathroom stalls or both...
S'mee
Damn, those guys are as fruitloopy as the truther crowd and the guys
like climber put together...so stupid on so many fundimental levels it
makes me wonder... "was that page put together as a gag?"
S'mee
Looks like a well toked, gay nazi to me.
S'mee
You can thank the Nanny State that started thanks to a fucking no
talent lawyer named...Nader.
Rob Kleinschmidt
Gotta nominate this one for non-sequitor of the year. Maybe the
decade.
BryanUT
> thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
> now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young.
>
OK you childless bastid. Do your part and procreate! :)
I did my share to counter act the breeders.
saddlebag
I hope in time that your childens forgive you :)
BryanUT
The year is young. The decade more so.
Hehe, come on, you are onto S'mee by now, that wasn't a non sequitur.
It was more of random opinion, a train of thought so to speak, he is
from Montana after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKes_YtbfY
I must go there. Fuck the scenery, I just want to meet Keith and
Stephen!
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
>of loony middle eastern fanatics. The things they all share are an
>inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
>is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
>
>What is truly scary is their numbers on this planet. You'd have
>thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
>now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young. About middle
>age they either condemn sex or find little boys with whom to do it in
>bathroom stalls or bo
I didnt know that McVeigh was a Leftard! Fascinating how you describe
Leftwingers so very well. But investigation has shown Leftwing
Extremism to be a rather complicated Mental Illness. With little
likelyhood of any sort of cure.
In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
mercy.
Shrug.
And Ill be sitting on my front porch, playing riffs on the banjo as the
ever increasing body counts are announced over the radio.
Works for me.
Gunner
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
I'm sure then that you can show us a valid cite that Obama has been
villifying Jews for Bushs' fuckups. Please do.
--
Regards, Curly
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Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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saddlebag
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:35:50 -0800 (PST), saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
> >of loony middle eastern fanatics. The things they all share are an
> >inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
> >is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
>
> >What is truly scary is their numbers on this planet. You'd have
> >thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
> >now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young. About middle
> >age they either condemn sex or find little boys with whom to do it in
> >bathroom stalls or bo
>
> I didnt know that McVeigh was a Leftard!
He wasn't nor are any of the rest of the fanatical morons. That is
the point.
S'mee
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:35:50 -0800 (PST), saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
> >of loony middle eastern fanatics. The things they all share are an
> >inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
> >is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
>
> >What is truly scary is their numbers on this planet. You'd have
> >thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
> >now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young. About middle
> >age they either condemn sex or find little boys with whom to do it in
> >bathroom stalls or bo
>
> I didnt know that McVeigh was a Leftard! Fascinating how you describe
> Leftwingers so very well. But investigation has shown Leftwing
> Extremism to be a rather complicated Mental Illness. With little
> likelyhood of any sort of cure.
Damn you are one STUPID inbred hill scroggin aren't you?
> In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
> like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
> mercy.
Never met a dangerous pit bull...met a few abused dogs that were
dangerous. So were salvageable, others we just put down...and wished
it had be the bastard that abused the dog instead.
> Shrug.
>
> And Ill be sitting on my front porch, playing riffs on the banjo as the
> ever increasing body counts are announced over the radio.
heh, thanks for proving me correct...inbred hill scroggins always play
the banjo on the porch whilte sitting down. Say how's that welfare
working out for you? Obviously the trailer park life suits you and
your type quiet well.
krusty kritter
> I must go there. Fuck the scenery, I just want to blow Keith and
> Stephen!-
Psychophant.
Vito
saddlebag <sadd...@aol.com> wrote:
|
| >Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
| >of loony middle eastern fanatics. The things they all share are an
| >inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
| >is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
The primary thing they all share is blind irrational faith. Why else would
a suicide bomber kill himself? Why else do people spend $millions on
churches?
|
| Works for me.
Me tooo
S'mee
obviously you can't tell the differnce between guys having fun and
what you do for a living...blowing chunks around the corner.
S'mee
Naw, just put it in context of the comparison...Nader IS (not just
was) an idiot.
S'mee
Just let me know when you head out the door. I suggest that you head
for Salmon, ID...there's a NICE road going from there to missoula,
which has at least two damn fine breweries. 8^)
Rob Kleinschmidt
> http://www.adolfthegreat.com/
>
> Stop. No bleating. Visit the site for in-depth view of many
> positive National Socialist inititives. Pioneered laws protecting
> animals,
> cancer research, environmental protections, etc.
>
The most important thing we can learn from this idiot,
Hitler, is that if you start kidding yourself that you are
somehow superior to the rest of the world, you're likely
to wind up pissed off, defeated, and cowering in some
bunker with no other choices but to shoot yourself or to
wait for reality to knock on the door and drag you off
to your well deserved and humiliating destruction.
Rather than actually act on this belief of superiority,
far safer to just posture on the internet like you and
your asshole buddies do.
On that website, I don't see a whole lot of tributes from
all the grateful people whose lives he made better.
Not even Germans. Figure they're just ungrateful ?
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 6, 12:05�am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fanatical Morons is a good definition of Leftard. Yet you claim
otherwise with fanatisism.
Doesnt speak well of your mental condition,.....does it?
Gunner Asch
<steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 5, 10:05�pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:35:50 -0800 (PST), saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
>> >of loony middle eastern fanatics. �The things they all share are an
>> >inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
>> >is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
>>
>> >What is truly scary is their numbers on this planet. �You'd have
>> >thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
>> >now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young. �About middle
>> >age they either condemn sex or find little boys with whom to do it in
>> >bathroom stalls or bo
>>
>> I didnt know that McVeigh was a Leftard! �Fascinating how you describe
>> Leftwingers so very well. �But investigation has shown Leftwing
>> Extremism to be a rather complicated Mental �Illness. �With little
>> likelyhood of any sort of cure.
>
>Damn you are one STUPID inbred hill scroggin aren't you?
Actually..I live in California and am a Democrat.
>
>> In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
>> like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
>> mercy.
>
>Never met a dangerous pit bull...met a few abused dogs that were
>dangerous. So were salvageable, others we just put down...and wished
>it had be the bastard that abused the dog instead.
Then its obvious you havent met many inbred pit bulls. Here in
California..we have a large number of them. Bred sons to mothers,
generation after generation...Latinos tend to walk around them on
leashes....as replacements for apparent lack of adequate penis size.
Say..your not Latino...are you?
>
>> Shrug.
>>
>> And Ill be sitting on my front porch, playing riffs on the banjo as the
>> ever increasing body counts are announced over the radio.
>
>heh, thanks for proving me correct...inbred hill scroggins always play
>the banjo on the porch whilte sitting down. Say how's that welfare
>working out for you? Obviously the trailer park life suits you and
>your type quiet well.
Welfare? I own my own business and have just started a second one.
Trailer park? I hardly live in a trailer park.
But then..the mentally ill Leftard generally does come up with a line of
fantasy and buffoonery as you have just done.
Pity. Shrug
Gunner Asch
The long list of blind irrational faith the Leftard displays could be
written about for weeks and months.
Pity about that. But...shrug...they are mentally ill, so its a given.
Twibil
>
>
> In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
> like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
> mercy.
Yeah, right.
The odd notion that lefties somehow can't or won't shoot back led your
idol Adolf to invade Russia with predictable results. -Predictable to
anyone with an IQ better than that of a fire hydrant, that is.
So enjoy your dream while you still can, sweetlips.
S'mee
Yep and not many of those dogs are that bad. It's how they are
raised...then again I've always rated dogs higher than people like
you. Car in the river and I have to choose save the pissed off pit
bull or let someone like you drown? I'm not worried, I only get bit
because the dog is scared.
> Say..your not Latino...are you?
I'll tell you exactly what I tell the racist socialist ruining my
country "It's NOT your business and why the fuck should I care what
you want to know" BTW only retards and inbred democrats care what a
persons race is...well that and the nazi's.
> >> Shrug.
>
> >> And Ill be sitting on my front porch, playing riffs on the banjo as the
> >> ever increasing body counts are announced over the radio.
>
> >heh, thanks for proving me correct...inbred hill scroggins always play
> >the banjo on the porch whilte sitting down. Say how's that welfare
> >working out for you? Obviously the trailer park life suits you and
> >your type quiet well.
>
> Welfare? I own my own business and have just started a second one.
> Trailer park? I hardly live in a trailer park.
Liar...your words describe the kind of person you really are. You can
take the racist hick out of the trailer park but you can't take the
trailer park out of the hick. Business? Yeah, selling meth to the
other skinheads.
> But then..the mentally ill Leftard generally does come up with a line of
> fantasy and buffoonery as you have just done.
ROTFLMAO How the fuck did you know I'm left handed! HA! OH you meant
socialist...no thanks I wont associate with people like that bastard
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
> Pity.
Sorry I'm all out of pity for scum that needs to be lobotomized
(redundant in know) and wharehoused in a government facility. People
like you WANT wealfare. Whilst people like I want ALL welfare
eliminated...including farm subsidies and medicare/medicade. But hey,
your type wants it just to keep others down.
I want it gone so they either lift themselves up or die off.
S'mee
> On Mar 5, 9:05 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
> > like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
> > mercy.
>
> Yeah, right.
>
> The odd notion that lefties somehow can't or won't shoot back led your
> idol Adolf to invade Russia with predictable results. -Predictable to
> anyone with an IQ better than that of a fire hydrant, that is.
What was REALLY stupid was invading russia in the fall...stupid fuck,
didn't learn a thing from Napoleon.
saddlebag
> Fanatical Morons is a good definition of Leftard.
Except YOU can't provide an example.
> Doesnt speak well of your mental condition,.....does it?
True, the fact the I waste time trying to educate the terminally
stupid does call my mental state into question. I suppose I'm
eternally hopeful!
Gunner Asch
So Democrats and Nazis are similar?
>> >> Shrug.
>>
>> >> And Ill be sitting on my front porch, playing riffs on the banjo as the
>> >> ever increasing body counts are announced over the radio.
>>
>> >heh, thanks for proving me correct...inbred hill scroggins always play
>> >the banjo on the porch whilte sitting down. Say how's that welfare
>> >working out for you? Obviously the trailer park life suits you and
>> >your type quiet well.
>>
>> Welfare? I own my own business and have just started a second one.
>> Trailer park? �I hardly live in a trailer park.
>
>Liar...your words describe the kind of person you really are. You can
>take the racist hick out of the trailer park but you can't take the
>trailer park out of the hick. Business? Yeah, selling meth to the
>other skinheads.
So Im a Democrat Skinhead? Fascinating. And dont own my own two
businesses?
>
>> But then..the mentally ill Leftard generally does come up with a line of
>> fantasy and buffoonery as you have just done.
>
>ROTFLMAO How the fuck did you know I'm left handed! HA! OH you meant
>socialist...no thanks I wont associate with people like that bastard
>Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
>
>> Pity.
>
>Sorry I'm all out of pity for scum that needs to be lobotomized
>(redundant in know) and wharehoused in a government facility. People
>like you WANT wealfare. Whilst people like I want ALL welfare
>eliminated...including farm subsidies and medicare/medicade. But hey,
>your type wants it just to keep others down.
>
>I want it gone so they either lift themselves up or die off.
I want welfare? Really? Got some cites, or are you simply between meds
at the moment?
Gunner Asch
wrote:
My idol Adolph? And your idol is Stalin?
Fascinating the depth of insanity you two have sunken.
Pity though that you both are going to die in only a couple years.
But then...it will save the taxpayers a tremendous amount of money in
meds and shrinks.
Shrug
Gunner Asch
Almost as stupid as Russia invading Finland in the winter. Cost both
Hitler and Stalin hundredss of thousands of troops.
Of course..Stalin did it twice..and payed the price.
Gunner Asch
Ive got some spare 9mm Kurtz I could loan him. Two be enough?
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 6, 1:59�pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fanatical Morons is a good definition of Leftard.
>
>Except YOU can't provide an example.
I cant? Odd. I thought I made my case rather well simply responding to a
fanatical moron......you.
Others have agreed with my diagnosis as well.
>
>> Doesnt speak well of your mental condition,.....does it?
>
>True, the fact the I waste time trying to educate the terminally
>stupid does call my mental state into question. I suppose I'm
>eternally hopeful!
Spoken like a try paranoid with delusions of grandure.
Are you off your meds, by any chance?
Twibil
>
>
> > The odd notion that lefties somehow can't or won't shoot back led your
> > idol Adolf to invade Russia with predictable results. -Predictable to
> > anyone with an IQ better than that of a fire hydrant, that is.
>
> What was REALLY stupid was invading russia in the fall...stupid fuck,
> didn't learn a thing from Napoleon.
And dumber yet, the Germans invaded Russia without even having winter
clothes for most of their troops; Hitler having apparently convinced
himself that those chickenshit Commies wouldn't *dare* shoot back, and
that he'd own all of Russia before the snow fell.
Either that or his military maps showing the relative sizes of Russia
and Germany looked something like this...
Twibil
>
>
> My idol Adolph? And your idol is Stalin?
A centrist conservative who admires Stalin?
My! You *do* have a fertile imagination!
> Fascinating the depth of insanity you two have sunken.
Oh *COOL*! You used Usenet cliche' #37!
*That's* gonna win you *all* sorts of respect!
What a maroon!
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 6, 12:42�pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My idol Adolph? �And your idol is �Stalin?
>
>A centrist conservative who admires Stalin?
A Centrist? Ahuh..... On the Left Right scale..you are to the Left.
Far to the left.
>
>My! You *do* have a fertile imagination!
>
>> Fascinating the depth of insanity you two have sunken.
>
>Oh *COOL*! You used Usenet cliche' #37!
But true none the less. Shrug.
>
>*That's* gonna win you *all* sorts of respect!
Those that I give a shit about respect me, or not.
The respect from a leftwinger means nothing. Less than nothing.
>
>What a maroon!
Odd..you do somewhat resemble Bugs..but a very very overweight one.
S'mee
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 11:22:42 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
>
>
>
>
>
> <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 6, 12:10 pm, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 5, 9:05 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
> >> > like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
> >> > mercy.
>
> >> Yeah, right.
>
> >> The odd notion that lefties somehow can't or won't shoot back led your
> >> idol Adolf to invade Russia with predictable results. -Predictable to
> >> anyone with an IQ better than that of a fire hydrant, that is.
>
> >What was REALLY stupid was invading russia in the fall...stupid fuck,
> >didn't learn a thing from Napoleon.
>
> Almost as stupid as Russia invading Finland in the winter. Cost both
> Hitler and Stalin hundredss of thousands of troops.
>
> Of course..Stalin did it twice..and payed the price.
>
Difference being the russians at least had winter gear. 8^) You stupid
stupid idiot.
S'mee
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:43:38 -0800 (PST), Rob Kleinschmidt
>
>
>
>
>
> <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 5, 9:42 am, climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.adolfthegreat.com/
>
> >> Stop. No bleating. Visit the site for in-depth view of many
> >> positive National Socialist inititives. Pioneered laws protecting
> >> animals,
> >> cancer research, environmental protections, etc.
>
> >> climber
>
> >The most important thing we can learn from this idiot,
> >Hitler, is that if you start kidding yourself that you are
> >somehow superior to the rest of the world, you're likely
> >to wind up pissed off, defeated, and cowering in some
> >bunker with no other choices but to shoot yourself or to
> >wait for reality to knock on the door and drag you off
> >to your well deserved and humiliating destruction.
>
> >Rather than actually act on this belief of superiority,
> >far safer to just posture on the internet like you and
> >your asshole buddies do.
>
> >On that website, I don't see a whole lot of tributes from
> >all the grateful people whose lives he made better.
> >Not even Germans. Figure they're just ungrateful ?
>
> Ive got some spare 9mm Kurtz I could loan him. Two be enough?
Only commies and nazi use that. I hand load each shot as
used...usually a .451 wad cutter and 35-38gr of powder. Then next gun
will shoot the same except more powder.
Gunner Asch
Yes and? They still died by the hundreds of thousands.
You really arnt very smart are you. But..that was determined long ago.
Gunner Asch
Interesting. I was rather positive that you were nothing more than an
ignorant poser with delusions of grandure and your final paragraph
confirmed it...triply confirmed it.
So its off to the bit bucket you go, into the Ignorant Buffoon Section.
Ill let others clue you in on how you managed to shit into your shirt
collar.
<plink>
Gunner, Firearms Instructor, and published author of a number of
articles on handloading and gunsmithing
Twibil
>
>
> >A centrist conservative who admires Stalin?
>
> A Centrist? Ahuh..... On the Left Right scale..you are to the Left.
> Far to the left.
Sure. Just like John McCain -or anyone else who's not a racist prick
like you.
> >Oh *COOL*! You used Usenet cliche' #37!
>
> But true none the less. Shrug.
WOW! And now he drops back and throws "the bomb": Usenet cliche
#12! "No matter how silly it may be, anything I say instantly becomes
true."
> Odd..you do somewhat resemble Bugs..but a very very overweight one.
I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
Republican, and an active NRA member.
You, alas, resemble a troll.
S'mee
Oh really? Gee ollie I never knew of a 9mm POS that has more raw power
than a colt navy...in the politically incorrect .44cal. Uh-huh them
little bullets aren't worth fuck all unless you shot paper exclusivly.
Poor sad little man...you got a little gun.
> So its off to the bit bucket you go, into the Ignorant Buffoon Section.
And oddly I'm STILL smarter and better read than you...that I can
actually think is a just a bonus. Must suck the be a sheeple like you.
> Ill let others clue you in on how you managed to shit into your shirt
> collar.
Yeah it's called sling fucks like you up by their heels from the
ceiling and playing pinata with them.
> <plink>
heh just like pussy assed 9mm you can't even PLONK like a man.
> Gunner, Firearms Instructor, and published author of a number of
> articles on handloading and gunsmithing
HA! yah wrote shit then. Next gun I get is not another 9mm that's only
good for busting cans open with...next gun is either a walker or a
1860 army. Not sure which, the army is purty, but the walker has
almost the same power as 44mag.
S'mee
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:52:51 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 6, 1:43 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 11:22:42 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
>
> >> <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 6, 12:10 pm, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mar 5, 9:05 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
> >> >> > like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
> >> >> > mercy.
>
> >> >> Yeah, right.
>
> >> >> The odd notion that lefties somehow can't or won't shoot back led your
> >> >> idol Adolf to invade Russia with predictable results. -Predictable to
> >> >> anyone with an IQ better than that of a fire hydrant, that is.
>
> >> >What was REALLY stupid was invading russia in the fall...stupid fuck,
> >> >didn't learn a thing from Napoleon.
>
> >> Almost as stupid as Russia invading Finland in the winter. Cost both
> >> Hitler and Stalin hundredss of thousands of troops.
>
> >> Of course..Stalin did it twice..and payed the price.
>
> >Difference being the russians at least had winter gear. 8^) You stupid
> >stupid idiot.
>
> Yes and? They still died by the hundreds of thousands.
>
> You really arnt very smart are you. But..that was determined long ago.
>
Nope your denial is telling though. The russians only died because the
finns were so damned good and they HATE Stalinists. Now nimrod is
there a difference between good marxists and stalinists? Granted they
like you nazi bastards are nominally socialists...another mind set
that needs killing.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 6, 2:49�pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >A centrist conservative who admires Stalin?
>>
>> A Centrist? �Ahuh..... �On the Left Right scale..you are to the Left.
>> Far to the left.
>
>Sure. Just like John McCain -or anyone else who's not a racist prick
>like you.
My black girl friend just gave you the finger.
Little Twibils are stupid enough to believe that only rightwingers could
possibly be "racist"....which its a fact that the KKK was a Democrat
controlled organization for most of its history. And given that most
blacks are Democrats..and a significantly large number of them are
racists...it would appear that you again used Leftwingers Attempt #127.
Didnt work the last 197,004 times it was tried either.
>
>> >Oh *COOL*! � You used Usenet cliche' #37!
>>
>> But true none the less. Shrug.
>
>WOW! And now he drops back and throws "the bomb": Usenet cliche
>#12! "No matter how silly it may be, anything I say instantly becomes
>true."
WOW! Leftwingers Cliche #248.
>
>> Odd..you do somewhat resemble Bugs..but a very very overweight one.
>
>I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
>Republican, and an active NRA member.
Sure you do. In your fantasy world.
>
>You, alas, resemble a troll.
You dont have a clue. By the way, Im an inch taller and 5 lbs lighter,
an ex Ranger and a Life NRA member.
Little man.
laugh laugh laugh
Twibil
>
>
> >Sure. Just like John McCain -or anyone else who's not a racist prick
> >like you.
>
> My black girl friend just gave you the finger.
Nothing like a good old-fashioned psychotic rant to start the day.
Back under your bridge, little troll, or we release the billygoats.
Frank
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:03:40 -0500, Frank<frankperi...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2010 12:50 PM, S'mee wrote:
>>> On Mar 5, 10:42 am, climber<coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh piss off cowards...you fucks are gun grabbers pure and simple. BUT
>>> go ahead, take power...then I have an esxcues alibi and LEGEAL recourse
>>> to shoot you your women your children and burn your cities.
>>>
>>> So THIEVES beware...I never bury your dead, my relatives left the
>>> nazi's they killed as carrion feed and refused to bury them. It's a bit
>>> a family tradition regarading you traitrours fuckers. Yeah, I mean it
>>> also...anyone who joins the your group is a traitor to the constitution
>>> and to humanity.
>>>
>>> So have a nice day and I hope your entire family and all your friends
>>> get cancer or aids.
>>>
>>> p.s. On a personal note for Climber...is it true you like climbing your
>>> tounge up Krusty Kritters asshole?
>>
>> Maybe just a joke site.
>>
>> Recently saw a video of Hitler on History Channel during his early
>> years. Quite frightening because he was quite charming and had a lot of
>> supporters. Blamed the bankers, who were Jews for currency problem.
>> Reminds me of current leader in US.
>
> I'm sure then that you can show us a valid cite that Obama has been
> villifying Jews for Bushs' fuckups. Please do.
>
I did not say that. I said Hitler vilified the bankers who happened to
be Jews. Obama has also vilified bankers. No need to post proof of
that.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 7, 10:13�am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yavonne said you are a mentally ill fat piece of shit. And Im certainly
not going to disagree with her. She is a 45 yr old grandmother who
keeps the daughers and grand kids in line. Not bad for a georgious lady
who used to do Victoria Secrets modeling.
Sucks to be you doesnt it.
Gunner and lady friend, laughing at the widdle Tribble.
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
S'mee
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 20:43:59 -0800 (PST), Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 6, 2:49 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >A centrist conservative who admires Stalin?
>
> >> A Centrist? Ahuh..... On the Left Right scale..you are to the Left.
> >> Far to the left.
>
> >Sure. Just like John McCain -or anyone else who's not a racist prick
> >like you.
>
> My black girl friend just gave you the finger.
Kinky...never had the prostate masssage myself, not my cuppa.
> Little Twibils are stupid enough to believe that only rightwingers could
> possibly be "racist"....which its a fact that the KKK was a Democrat
> controlled organization for most of its history. And given that most
> blacks are Democrats..and a significantly large number of them are
> racists...it would appear that you again used Leftwingers Attempt #127.
>
> Didnt work the last 197,004 times it was tried either.
LOL you assume much and thus make a bigger ass of yourself than you
have so far.
>
> >> >Oh *COOL*! You used Usenet cliche' #37!
>
> >> But true none the less. Shrug.
>
> >WOW! And now he drops back and throws "the bomb": Usenet cliche
> >#12! "No matter how silly it may be, anything I say instantly becomes
> >true."
>
> WOW! Leftwingers Cliche #248.
internet cliche #1 claiming someone else used a cliche. What a
pathetic attitude and typical of dirt bags like you.
>
> >> Odd..you do somewhat resemble Bugs..but a very very overweight one.
>
> >I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
> >Republican, and an active NRA member.
>
> Sure you do. In your fantasy world.
Well to be fair he IS a 6' 2" 210lb motorcyclist AIV. He IS a
republican and yeah he's also I NRA member.
>
>
> >You, alas, resemble a troll.
>
> You dont have a clue. By the way, Im an inch taller and 5 lbs lighter,
> an ex Ranger and a Life NRA member.
So? I've met more than a few well trained rangers that when it came to
hanging and toughing it out were great big wimps...hell they would
even march with a little sprained ankle (2nd degree so you could argue
discretion being the better part of valor) whilst a short medic like
me had to be dragged to the TMC when I'd displaced my pelvis. Had a
badge holder or two "Why didn't you go in sooner?" The answer was
simple, it was ONLY pain and only slowed me a little. Not many can
function with pain like that.
So mr. "ranger" when's the last time you knocked off a 12+mi road
march with no warning and just because? Road work don't count...even a
medic can do that in 3hrs with more gear than most anyone.
> Little man.
>
> laugh laugh laugh
Yep you are...little man.
Me I'm so solidly in the center that I think the left and the right
are almost as fucked in the head as the racists, commies, socialists
and NAZI's.
Then again you are non-riding nobody. That's my only real bias...if
you don't ride you are a non-entity and the only thing lower is
racists, commies, socialists and NAZI's.
S'mee
> On Mar 7, 10:13 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > >Sure. Just like John McCain -or anyone else who's not a racist prick
> > >like you.
>
> > My black girl friend just gave you the finger.
>
> Nothing like a good old-fashioned psychotic rant to start the day.
heh, true that. He's almost as out there as HHH or ed conrad. I'd have
mentioned Krusty BUT he's so far out there...none could be that out
there and NOT be locked up in the loony bin.
> Back under your bridge, little troll, or we release the billygoats.
heh, better yet the ROKKON's!!! Maybe a Whippet or two just for good
measure.
saddlebag
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a <name>
By Gawd I think we just outted Gunner as a Liberal. In his very first
appearance when confronted with *facts* about right wing sociopaths
and their terrorist antics, he reverted to name calling (Leftards, the
use of which in itself is an indication of his commie credentials.
What self respecting right wing tyrant would take a liberal idea like
(retard-rightard) and bastardize it into a meaningless thing word like
leftard? A closet liberal that's what kind.)
Yavonne, put Gunner's banjo away. It's time for his regular Glenn
Beck brainwashing session.
Twibil
>
>
> > >I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
> > >Republican, and an active NRA member.
>
> > Sure you do. In your fantasy world.
>
> Well to be fair he IS a 6' 2" 210lb motorcyclist AIV. He IS a
> republican and yeah he's also I NRA member.
Thank you I think. But this one's either (A) trolling, (B) psychotic,
or (C) both.
In any case, all it wants to do is sling bullshit; and we've got
plenty of BS artists around here already who are a lot better at it
than he is.
S'mee
> On Mar 7, 2:57 pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > >I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
> > > >Republican, and an active NRA member.
>
> > > Sure you do. In your fantasy world.
>
> > Well to be fair he IS a 6' 2" 210lb motorcyclist AIV. He IS a
> > republican and yeah he's also I NRA member.
>
> Thank you I think. But this one's either (A) trolling, (B) psychotic,
> or (C) both.
Yup I'd say you are right...but he probally isn't conciously
trolling.
> In any case, all it wants to do is sling bullshit; and we've got
> plenty of BS artists around here already who are a lot better at it
> than he is.
heh, true that.
I Am the Truth that You Fear
So. Are you getting ready for Sturgis yet? Our whole Montana clan has
gotten interested in meeting up with you for the pilgrimage to great
grandpa's South Dakota homestead, and, if you're especially nice to
us, we'll even let you lay
some flowers on Wild Bill Hickok's grave.
Remember, ya gots to be *prepared" by August 1. LOL!
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 7, 5:48�pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry scrotombag..but you provided no "facts" so you got spanked.
Even 17yr olds like you get spanked when they shit in their hats.
Young Leftards like you are so full of shit you gurgle when you trot
your fat ass off for another DingDong supply run.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Mar 7, 2:57锟絧m, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > >I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
>> > >Republican, and an active NRA member.
>>
>> > Sure 锟統ou do. 锟絀n 锟統our fantasy world.
>>
>> Well to be fair he IS a 6' 2" 210lb motorcyclist AIV. He IS a
>> republican and yeah he's also I NRA member.
>
>Thank you I think. But this one's either (A) trolling, (B) psychotic,
>or (C) both.
>
>In any case, all it wants to do is sling bullshit; and we've got
>plenty of BS artists around here already who are a lot better at it
>than he is.
Too bad Im actually factually correct..and you are simply shit slingers.
<G>
climber
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 20:43:59 -0800 (PST), Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com>
If you have a groid girlfriend then you should face charges of
bestiality.
climber
S'mee
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:25:35 -0800 (PST), saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 7, 5:48 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> >> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> >> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> >> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> >> losing face the chance of him calling you a <name>
>
> >By Gawd I think we just outted Gunner as a Liberal. In his very first
> >appearance when confronted with *facts* about right wing sociopaths
> >and their terrorist antics, he reverted to name calling (Leftards, the
> >use of which in itself is an indication of his commie credentials.
> >What self respecting right wing tyrant would take a liberal idea like
> >(retard-rightard) and bastardize it into a meaningless thing word like
> >leftard? A closet liberal that's what kind.)
>
> >Yavonne, put Gunner's banjo away. It's time for his regular Glenn
> >Beck brainwashing session.
>
> Sorry scrotombag..but you provided no "facts" so you got spanked.
>
> Even 17yr olds like you get spanked when they shit in their hats.
>
> Young Leftards like you are so full of shit you gurgle when you trot
> your fat ass off for another DingDong supply run.
actually little boy...you provided the evidence. He just pointed it
out and you know what? When you think you can shoot come up to
montana. 8^)
S'mee
<breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 4:42 pm, "Getting Ready for Sturgis"
>
> <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 4:35 pm, Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thank you I think. But this one's either (A) trolling, (B) psychotic,
> > > or (C) both.
>
> > Yup I'd say you are right...but he probally isn't conciously
> > trolling.
>
> > > In any case, all it wants to do is sling bullshit; and we've got
> > > plenty of BS artists around here already who are a lot better at it
> > > than he is.
>
> > heh, true that.
>
> So. Are you getting ready for Sturgis yet?
Why would one prepare for a drunken drugged out orgy of chromed out
shit riders that trailer when it's easier to ride?
OBTW you ain't got no family nazi boy. As for Mr. Hickock...I don't
need permission from you. Matter of fact...try to stop me some time.
S'mee
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:35:26 -0800 (PST), Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 7, 2:57 pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >I resemble a 6'2" 210 pound biker who's an Army Infantry vet, a
> >> > >Republican, and an active NRA member.
>
>
> >> Well to be fair he IS a 6' 2" 210lb motorcyclist AIV. He IS a
> >> republican and yeah he's also I NRA member.
>
> >Thank you I think. But this one's either (A) trolling, (B) psychotic,
> >or (C) both.
>
> >In any case, all it wants to do is sling bullshit; and we've got
> >plenty of BS artists around here already who are a lot better at it
> >than he is.
>
> Too bad Im actually factually correct..and you are simply shit slingers.
>
> <G>
Uh actually you'd be another raving LYING liberal and a piss poor shot.
S'mee
Naw, Nobel prize for getting a piece. YOU otoh need a bullet in the
head...I'll spot you 700 (I'm using the .270)
Anthony Williams
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:35:50 -0800 (PST), saddlebag <sadd...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Don't forget to look up the airplane bomber, Timothy McViegh, a host
>> of loony middle eastern fanatics. The things they all share are an
>> inability to think rationally, an intense hate and fear that everyone
>> is out to screw them, and a Faux News gullibility.
>>
>> What is truly scary is their numbers on this planet. You'd have
>> thought Darwin would have gotten rid of those dysfunctional genes by
>> now, but they appear to be prolific breeders when young. About middle
>> age they either condemn sex or find little boys with whom to do it in
>> bathroom stalls or bo
>
>
> I didnt know that McVeigh was a Leftard! Fascinating how you describe
> Leftwingers so very well. But investigation has shown Leftwing
> Extremism to be a rather complicated Mental Illness. With little
> likelyhood of any sort of cure.
>
> In less than 2 yrs...Leftwingers will finally hit the trigger point,
> like dangerous roaming pit bulls..and will be killed in job lots with no
> mercy.
>
>
> And Ill be sitting on my front porch, playing riffs on the banjo as the
> ever increasing body counts are announced over the radio.
>
> Works for me.
>
>
> Gunner
>
> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
> something damned nasty to all three of them.
"Long ago, there was a noble word, LIBERAL, which derived from the word
FREE [libre]. Now a strange thing happened to that word. A man named
Hitler made it a term of abuse, a matter of suspicion, because those who
were not with him were against him, and liberals had no use for Hitler.
And then another man named McCarthy cast the same opprobrium on the
word. Indeed, there was a time--a short but dismaying time--when many
Americans began to distrust the word which derived from FREE. One thing
we must all do. We must cherish and honor the word FREE or it will cease
to apply to us...." Eleanor Roosevelt
"Consider all of the awful things liberals have inflicted on this
country. These include the Declaration of Independence, the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the Emancipation Proclamation, the
national parks and wilderness preserves, child labor laws, women's right
to vote, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit
Insurance Corporation, social security, the G.I. Bill of Rights,
Medicare/Medicaid, civil rights legislation, the Head Start program, the
disabilities accommodation act and other such acts of treason all of
which were opposed by those straight thinking conservatives.
Think how much better off we would be had we listened to the
conservatives. If we had listened to them in 1776, we would still be a
colony of England, and we could look to Parliament for solutions to our
problems. If we had listened to them in 1787 we would have an official
state church, and those misguided atheists would be in jail where they
belong. If we had listened to them in 1860 slavery would still be legal.
If we had listened to them in 1920 women would be at home baking cookies
instead of meddling in politics where they have no business. If we had
listened to them in 1960 Jim Crow segregation would be the law in many
states and African-Americans would know their place and stay in it or
else. If we had listened to them in 1980, the country would have gone
broke financing "Star Wars." If the conservatives get their way today we
will all be dragged kicking and screaming back into those good old days
of the nineteenth century.” -- Louis W. Cable
Darwin123
> On 3/5/2010 12:50 PM, S'mee wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 10:42 am, climber<coledenk...
> years. Quite frightening because he was quite charming and had a lot of
> supporters. Blamed the bankers, who were Jews for currency problem.
> Reminds me of current leader in US.
Hitler did not blame bankers who were not Jews. He used industrialists
who were not Jews. He basically split rich people up into two groups:
the Aryan rich and the undesirable rich. If you were a Slavic
(Polish, slavic Ukrainianes, etc.) banker, you were dead meat.
Further, he controlled the Aryan rich people. They were not free
to do everything they wanted. They didn't compete with each other in
production of goods, they competed with each other in kissing the
Fuerers ass. So technically, there was more Socialist about the Nazis
than there was Capitalist.
Darwin123
> http://www.adolfthegreat.com/
>
> Stop. No bleating. Visit the site for in-depth view of many
> positive National Socialist inititives. Pioneered laws protecting
> animals,
> cancer research, environmental protections, etc.
>
died under Hitler.
I recommend the following book: "Biologists Under Hitler" by Ute
Deichmann" (Harvard, 1996). It describes how biological programs under
Hitler became inefficient.
The U.S. and Russia after WWII imported rocket scientists from
Germany and biologists from Japan. If Germany had an effective biology
program, the biologists in Germany would have been in far more demand.
Hitler screwed the biology programs in Germany because of his
superstitions and psychoses.
Germany had plenty of good biologists before Hitler, and
really good biological programs before Hitler. However, they put the
most superstitious managers in charge of their programs. Being a
racist was more important than having an organized mind. Also,
biologists from other countries avoided working with German
scientists. Without the help of other biologists, the German
biologists could make little progress.
A lot of the science in concentration camps was based on
superstition rather than science. The laboratory managers wrote books
on race classification. They did very little on real genetics.
Basically, you got ahead by touting Nazi propaganda. The doctors who
experimented in the concentration camps were basically insane.
There is on exception that the book doesn't discuss. Conrad Lorenz
was a really good evolutionary biologists. He did some good work in
animal behavior. However, his work stands out because it is alone. He
touted racist propaganda, but he also did mathematical analysis of
behavior. His studies of behavior have proved robust.
The Japanese had a real good biology program. Unfortunately, a
lot of it was in the realm of germ warfare. The Japanese scum bags
were as racist as the Germans. They murdered lots of people with their
germs. They vivisected human beings, especially civilians. However,
the scientists involved were not superstitious. They found out a lot
about germs. However, they didn't place maniacs in charge of biology
departments.
Sadly, the Japanese involved these horrible experiments were
basically sane. They objected at first, but did the horrible deeds
anyway.
The Older Gentleman
> The Japanese scum bags
> were as racist as the Germans.
Not quite, no.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple
Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes!
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Why would that be? She is very pretty, is very smart, college grad with
a degree in business.
You do know, that when the Great Cull comes, the People will be killing
of Leftwing Extremists, right? They will also be killing off other hate
groups as well. Klanners, Ayran Brotherhood, La Mecha and so forth.
So your life span is less than 2 yrs. Id strongly suggest that you get
your affairs in order, or change your outlook really really quickly
about race.
Ive submitted your name to the List...shrug. So its up to you. Its now
out of my hands.
Gunner
"I believe that being despised by the despicable
is as good as being admired by the admirable."
From long experience myself, I can only say, "You betcha."
Gunner Asch
A pity that you are so history challenged isnt it? At one
time...Conservatives were considered Liberal, and Liberals were called
Conservative. Then near the turn of the 20th century....things got
reversed. Feel free to do a Google on the subject. It might teach you
something, though I doubt you are smart enough to learn.
Leftwing extremists such as yourself are mentally ill and in fact..thats
a symptom of being a Leftwinger. Well proven fact and one you simply
cannot refute. You and the rest of your mentally ill brethern use
emotion, mantra and mass hysteria instead of reason, logic and rational
thinking. Hell..every man on the street interview will prove the
factual basis of this.
But..dont worry..in less than 2 yrs, the People will rise up and simply
kill all the Leftwingers. Shrug...works for me. When a million or so of
the worst cases are removed from our society..things will indeed return
to Constitutional values, rather than the emotionally charged
Marxist/Socialist spurge your lot pushes.
I hope you die well, though I suspect...you wont.
Gunner Asch
S'mee
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 04:49:54 -0800 (PST), climber <coledenk...@gmail.com>
ROTFLMAO!!! riiiight...you keep thinking that way and you'll stroke
out before you're 50.
> So your life span is less than 2 yrs. Id strongly suggest that you get
> your affairs in order, or change your outlook really really quickly
> about race.
uh-huh sure retard. I've been hearing that for decades now. One thing
I can say...none of the people doing the culling will leave my county.
Nope not one everyone of them will end up spending the rest of their
short lives here. Lots of ranch country and the while not everyone
loves each other, ain't nobody here that would put up with YOUR plan.
More likely we'd just shoot the fuckers then through the bodies in one
pit, torch it with diesel then cover. Wouldn't want the coyotes
getting sick from eating diseased meat like their's.
Now me. Me, I've had a life policy to do everything possible to ruin
the lives of racists and people like you. That or when possible just
put a bullet or two in them. I've even done better than my hero...no
arrests, no convictions except maybe that the intolerent need to
either die or shut up.
> Ive submitted your name to the List...shrug. So its up to you. Its now
> out of my ass.
Fixed that for you. Go ahead chicken shit, add me to the list. I don't
mind killing people, lord knows that was my business for 20 years.
Half I spent saving all casualties the other half I was expected to
take large cities and reduce them to stoneage villages. So killing
your little gestopo faggots wont be any trouble, hell I'll probally
clear out your team(s) with so few rounds I wont even have to clean
the pig.
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The Japanese scum bags
> > were as racist as the Germans.
>
> Not quite, no.
quite yes...I could introduce you to my MIL. She grew up during WWII,
nice lady makes a MEAN kimchee.
Darwin123
Gentleman) wrote:
> Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The Japanese scum bags
> > were as racist as the Germans.
>
> Not quite, no.
warfare program was not aimed primarily at civilians. Their weapons
were intended to reduce the number of nonJapanese.
Also look up "The Rape of Nanking." Try the google images button.
The photographs, taken by Japanese for Japanese, may make you sick. We
don't here as much about the Japanese genocide program for several
reasons.
I just wish to point out that the long term goals were the same for
all the Axis countries. They all were committed to genocide and
eternal war. Their genocidal programs were different because of
logistics, not because any Axis country was more humane.
Japan was an island nation attacking helpless people across a
large body of water. They had no fear that an epidemic could cross
from Asia into their country. China did not have a railroad system
anywhere as good as the railroad system in Europe. So the Japanese
used germs instead of gas chambers. There was a nerve gas factory just
outside Hiroshima.
The U.S. liberated China just as much as it liberated Europe.
However, American GI's were attacking Japan from the opposite
direction. American GI's marched past the extermination camps in
Poland, and were seen as directly liberators by the population.
American GI's did not enter mainland China or IndoChina. So the
American GI's in Asia did not get as much "face time" with the press.
I am not a Holocaust denier. Both Jews and Slavs had it bad in
Europe. I just want to point out that some pretty awful things
happened in China, Manchuria, and Korea.
The Japanese had better biologists than the Germans, even
though they were just as cruel. I point this out to show that I am not
biased because of humanitarian reasons. Hitler's little insecurities
screwed up biological science in Germany. So the OP is wrong, wrong,
wrong!
Darwin123
> On Mar 8, 4:21 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The OlderGentleman) wrote:
> > Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The Japanese scum bags
> > > were as racist as the Germans.
>
> > Not quite, no.
>
> Read up on the Japanese germ war fare program. Their germ
> warfare program was not aimed primarily at civilians.
primarily at civilians. Although some soldier prisoners were used
(including Americans!), most of the victims were civilians. The field
tests were aimed at civilians, not soldiers.
The primary purpose was to develop methods to reduce the
population of China, if not exterminate most of the people. It didn't
achieve the numbers of civilian deaths that the German program did.
However, I believe this was a matter of patience.
Of course, I am skipping the more traditional forms of attrition.
There was the rape of Nanking, opium given to school children, etc.
If the Americans weren't harassing them in the Pacific, I am
sure the Japanese would have performed a bigger genocide. Its too bad
U.S. was so "colonial." I am sure that if America hadn't stepped in,
the later problems with China would have been greatly reduced. As
would be the Chinese population.
The Older Gentleman
> > Not quite, no.
> Read up on the Japanese germ war fare program.
I have. Pingfan and all that.
> Their germ
> warfare program was not aimed primarily at civilians. Their weapons
> were intended to reduce the number of nonJapanese.
> Also look up "The Rape of Nanking." Try the google images button.
> The photographs, taken by Japanese for Japanese, may make you sick. We
> don't here as much about the Japanese genocide program for several
> reasons.
They were racist, yes, but not as bad. There was no institutionalised
programme of destruction aimed at one[1] race, like the Holocaust. Which
is why I said 'not quite'.
[1] Arguably two.
Twibil
Gentleman) wrote:
>
>
> They were racist, yes, but not as bad.
Debatable. And while the Germans have tried to expunge that trait from
their culture -with some success- the Japanese remain almost as
culturally isolated and racist as they ever were.
True story: While teaching at the University of California I became
friends with one of my Japanese-American students, whose parents (US
citizens) had both spent WW2 in the infamous US civilian internment
(prison) camp at Manzanar, California. He told me that he'd thought
the US had real race problems until he spent a summer in Japan meeting
all of his distant relatives and soaking up Japanese culture.
Upon returning, he said "I'll tell you: the US isn't perfect by any
means, but it looks awfully good compared with Japan! I could *never*
live there!"
According to him, Japanese citizens still largely believe themselves
culturally and genetically superior to other races and nationalities,
and make no secret of that fact when speaking among themselves.
Moreover, they take the idea even further by being prejudiced other
Japanese who we would think were culturally and genetically identical
to each other: Residents of Honshu look down on residents of the other
Japanese main islands, and all of them collectively shun Okinawans.
Even on the island of Honshu, the residents of Tokyo (for instance)
consider themselves a cut above residents of "lesser" Japanese cities
on the same island, and try to form business and social relationships
exclusively with locals rather than mix with "inferiors".
When he met a Japanese girl he liked -and asked her on a date- the
relatives he was staying with were horrified as she wasn't from the
right family in the right city on the right island, and they stiffly
informed him that she "simply wasn't suitable" as a potential date.
And there was yet more. It seems there are still some active remnants
of the old Japanese class system, and those unfortunate enough to be
born into a lower class are usually pretty much doomed to remain
there.
Mind you, *I've* never been there, but when a kid who's genetically
pure Japanese and culturally pure American tells you these things it
tends to make a strong impression on your mind.....particularly when
the kid's a blooming genius who's just earned himself a full
scholarship to the Johns-Hopkins School of Medicine.
The Older Gentleman
> > They were racist, yes, but not as bad.
>
> Debatable.
Possible, but I'll stick with my opinion.
>And while the Germans have tried to expunge that trait from
> their culture -with some success- the Japanese remain almost as
> culturally isolated and racist as they ever were.
I really wouldn't argue with this, mind.
Darwin123
> On Mar 5, 10:42 am, climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So THIEVES beware...I never bury your dead, my relatives left the
> nazi's they killed as carrion feed and refused to bury them.
Poor scavengers.
Bob Myers
> Mind you, *I've* never been there, but when a kid who's genetically
> pure Japanese and culturally pure American tells you these things it
> tends to make a strong impression on your mind.....particularly when
> the kid's a blooming genius who's just earned himself a full
> scholarship to the Johns-Hopkins School of Medicine.
OK, I feel I should interject my $0.02 here: I HAVE been there,
many times, and based on that experience I would have to both
agree and disagree with your assessment.
There definitely is still some lingering bias against non-Japanese,
and that term most definitely does include ethnic Japanese who
were born elsewhere (Japanese-Americans, for instance). I'm
seeing this through gaijin eyes, of course - I have never been and
never will be privy to what is really being said among the locals -
but I get the very distinct impression that the Japanese people of
the postwar generation are a good deal more open-minded in this
regard than those who grew up during WWII and the immediate
postwar era. As a rough guess, I would say that Japan today
is probably about where the U.S. was with respect to race
relations in the mid to late 1960s: things are definitely showing signs of
improvement and those formerly of the "underclasses" are far more
willing to stand up for their rights, but there's still a good way to
go.
Bob M.
Strabo
> Darwin123 <drose...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not quite, no.
>> Read up on the Japanese germ war fare program.
>
> I have. Pingfan and all that.
>
>> Their germ
>> warfare program was not aimed primarily at civilians. Their weapons
>> were intended to reduce the number of nonJapanese.
>> Also look up "The Rape of Nanking." Try the google images button.
>> The photographs, taken by Japanese for Japanese, may make you sick. We
>> don't here as much about the Japanese genocide program for several
>> reasons.
>
> They were racist, yes, but not as bad. There was no institutionalised
> programme of destruction aimed at one[1] race, like the Holocaust. Which
> is why I said 'not quite'.
>
> [1] Arguably two.
>
A few words concerning race and culture...
There were nationalities and races of all stripes living in Germany
prior to WWII. This was not the case in Japan.
The Japanese went beyond race. The Chinese, Koreans and other Asian
groups were considered inferior to the Japanese ethos. Nothing unusual
here. The Chinese, Koreans and other racial/cultural groups each
believe their ethos is superior.
As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
By nature, all living creatures are homogenous. There is a reason for
this - group cohesion and survival of species through genetic
competition leading to adoption or rejection of new features.
1. There has never been an egalitarian, multi-cultural society nor can
there be. Where human cultures are proximal, one culture and one
genotype will dominate.
2. Historically, every attempt to homogenize diverse peoples has failed.
Segregation and discrimination is the norm. The one shared value of
all cultures is trade and commerce.
Darwin123
> Twibil wrote:
> As a rough guess, I would say that Japan today
> is probably about where the U.S. was with respect to race
> relations in the mid to late 1960s: things are definitely showing signs of
> improvement and those formerly of the "underclasses" are far more
> willing to stand up for their rights, but there's still a good way to
> go.
>
> Bob M.
I was not saying anything against current Japanese culture.
Everyone has baggage. A little self esteem is good. I am a white
consumer of Japanese pop culture (Manja's, etc.). I can see through
their pop culture that many or most of them are trying to join the
rest of the human race.
The Japanese people of WWII was racist, cruel, unjust, unmerciful,
unethical, greedy, dishonest, ... There was kindness and justice
embedded in it, but it was largely hidden. I am very glad it is coming
out, now.
The Older Gentleman
> As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
I suggest you Google for 'Ainu'.
>The one shared value of all cultures is trade and commerce.
I think there are tribes in Brazil and New Guinea (if not elsewhere)
who'd disagree.
Bob Myers
> There were nationalities and races of all stripes living in Germany
> prior to WWII. This was not the case in Japan.
Not to the degree it was in Germany, perhaps, but at the time
of the war Japan had a significant number of permanent residents
of other nationalities/ethnic origins. The Chinese and Koreans were
highest as a percentage of the population, but there were others
as well. And, as Pete already mentioned, the Ainu have been
living in the Japanese archipelago for centuries but are not ethnically
Japanese.
> As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
Easy. I can name several famous examples off the top of my head.
For instance, Akebono Taro, the sumo grand champion - who was
born Chad Rowan - is ethnically Hawaiian, but become a Japanese
citizen in 1996. For Japan-born, non-Japanese (ethnically) citizens,
a good example is Chen Kenichi of the Fuji TV "Iron Chef" series
- ethnically Chinese, but born in Japan and definitely a Japanese
citizen (as are other ethnic Chinese born in Japan; Yokohama's
Chinatown is one of the biggest in the world). His father, Chen
Kenmin, was a Chinese who became a naturalized citizen. There
are also several famous foreign-born Japanese citizens of European
descent, such as Dido Havenaar, a soccer player born in
the Netherlands, and his son Mike, also a soccer player but
born in Hiroshima (the entire family became naturalized Japanese
citizens in 1994).
Probably the most famous foreign-born Japanese was William
Adams, the English pilot whose story was the basis for the James
Clavell novel, and later mini-series, "Shogun." Adams, known
in Japan as "Miura Anjin" - literally "the pilot of Miura" - really
did become the first Caucasian samurai, under Shogun Tokugawa
Ieyasu ("Lord Toranaga" in the book/series). He was not, however,
the first foreign-born samurai; that distinction went to an African,
known today only as Yasuke. (There were likely Korean and
Chinese samurai before this, but no definite documentation of that
exists.)
> By nature, all living creatures are homogenous. There is a reason for
> this - group cohesion and survival of species through genetic
> competition leading to adoption or rejection of new features.
But only within species (and sometimes not even then). Dogs of
all breeds readily accept other breeds, for instance, and the
diversity among breeds is far, far greater than that among the
human "races." From the animal kingdom, we also learn that
breeding between diverse breeds or other branches of the same
or related species generally results in stronger offspring, the
oft-cited "hybrid vigor." So much for any notion of racial
"homogeneity" being desirable from the genetic perspective.
> 1. There has never been an egalitarian, multi-cultural society nor can
> there be. Where human cultures are proximal, one culture and one
> genotype will dominate.
Nonsense; we live in one of several examples in the world today.
How long it will last as such is uncertain, but then totally NON-egalitarian
societies have also fallen (in fact, that would be the majority throughout
history), so being dominated by a single culture or genotype doesn't
appear to be any sort of guarantee of a society's long-term survival.
> 2. Historically, every attempt to homogenize diverse peoples has
> failed. Segregation and discrimination is the norm. The one shared
> value of all cultures is trade and commerce.
However, through the vast majority of history the human
species lacked any form of truly global communications and/or
transportation which was accessible to a significant fraction
of the population; this is no longer the case, and history also
teaches us that easy, open communications and travel is a
certain path toward just such homogenization. It's just
never before been possible on the scale that can be achieved
today.
Bob M.
Twibil
>
>
> OK, I feel I should interject my $0.02 here: I HAVE been there,
> many times, and based on that experience I would have to both
> agree and disagree with your assessment.
>
> There definitely is still some lingering bias against non-Japanese,
> and that term most definitely does include ethnic Japanese who
> were born elsewhere (Japanese-Americans, for instance). I'm
> seeing this through gaijin eyes, of course - I have never been and
> never will be privy to what is really being said among the locals -
> but I get the very distinct impression that the Japanese people of
> the postwar generation are a good deal more open-minded in this
> regard than those who grew up during WWII and the immediate
> postwar era. As a rough guess, I would say that Japan today
> is probably about where the U.S. was with respect to race
> relations in the mid to late 1960s: things are definitely showing signs of
> improvement and those formerly of the "underclasses" are far more
> willing to stand up for their rights, but there's still a good way to
> go.
I won't disagree with you. My Japanese-American friend's visit to
Japan took place in the early 1980s, and hopefully things have
improved over there since then. But during that same period he and I
went down to the NAMM Show (an international music industry
convention) together, and we shared an interesting cross-cultural
encounter that bears on the subject at hand.
The NAMM Show takes place in the huge Anaheim Convention Center, and
you literally need a map to find your way around among the myriad
exhibits. So we were standing in front of a booth containing two
Japanese businessmen who were conversing in Japanese while I stared at
the map and tried to figure out where the ~@##%** we needed to be
next. Once I'd figured it out, I turned to my friend and found him
standing stiffly with his fists balled and head bowed; staring at the
floor.
I asked him what was up and he replied "Wait!"
He turned on his heel, approached the two Japanese businessmen, bowed
very curtly, and launched about three sentences of rapid-fire Japanese
at them; whereupon they both went into his former posture: heads bowed
stiffly forward and fists balled at their sides. My friend then
returned to the aisle where I was standing, and said "Come on!",
walking rapidly off.
As soon as I caught up with him I asked him what the heck all that had
been about and he said, "It's embarrassing. Those two idiots were
standing there talking about how stupid and gullible the Americans
are, how easy it is to sell them junk, and how Japan was going to
conquer the world economically this time around."
"And what did you say to them?", I asked.
"I told them", he said, "to remember that there are a lot of Americans
who look just like me and who speak perfect Japanese!"
Bless his black little heart.
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> > As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
>
> I suggest you Google for 'Ainu'.
Yep most japanese are originally from, wait for it
Korea!!! Yep it's true.
> >The one shared value of all cultures is trade and commerce.
>
> I think there are tribes in Brazil and New Guinea (if not elsewhere)
> who'd disagree.
and I think you'd agree they are the exception.
The Older Gentleman
I would. Which means we both agree he was talking bollocks when he said
'all'.
Strabo
> Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>
>> As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
>
> I suggest you Google for 'Ainu'.
>
A very good try!
Does meeting an ethnic standard require genetic homogeneity?
1. Pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group
(ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture,
religion, language, or the like.
2. referring to the origin, classification, characteristics, etc.,
of such groups.
3. being a member of an ethnic group, esp. of a group that is a
minority within a larger society: ethnic Chinese in San Francisco.
4. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of members of such a group.
5. belonging to or deriving from the cultural, racial, religious, or
linguistic traditions of a people or country: ethnic dances.
The Ainu do break the genotype though the Ainu long ago adopted Japanese
ways. They are ethnic Japanese.
But I'm going to give you half a point. Few are aware of the Ainu
ancestry.
>
>> The one shared value of all cultures is trade and commerce.
>
> I think there are tribes in Brazil and New Guinea (if not elsewhere)
> who'd disagree.
>
Are there groups who demand to be left alone? Sure.
I think New Guinea and Amazonian tribes have been put off limits,
but they do trade with neighboring groups.
However, there is one tribe that I know of on an island in the Indian
Ocean which has also been placed off limits to visitors that has
no one to trade with.
Always the exception.
Strabo
You are correct. I understand the Japanese have made exceptions
and that it is not easy, even rare, for an outsider to become a citizen.
I recognize a few you mention. I remember the sumo wrestler.
>
> Probably the most famous foreign-born Japanese was William
> Adams, the English pilot whose story was the basis for the James
> Clavell novel, and later mini-series, "Shogun." Adams, known
> in Japan as "Miura Anjin" - literally "the pilot of Miura" - really
> did become the first Caucasian samurai, under Shogun Tokugawa
> Ieyasu ("Lord Toranaga" in the book/series). He was not, however,
> the first foreign-born samurai; that distinction went to an African,
> known today only as Yasuke. (There were likely Korean and
> Chinese samurai before this, but no definite documentation of that
> exists.)
>
>
>> By nature, all living creatures are homogenous. There is a reason for
>> this - group cohesion and survival of species through genetic
>> competition leading to adoption or rejection of new features.
>
> But only within species (and sometimes not even then). Dogs of
> all breeds readily accept other breeds, for instance, and the
> diversity among breeds is far, far greater than that among the
> human "races."
>
The German Shepard and the Pekinese are both canis familiaris
and can create what, a little German Shepard or would that be a big
Pekinese. Would that constitute diversity? I don't know which but I
don't see it as genetically advantageous.
Just how did the Kangaroo mouse come about?
Due to inbreeding, the dog is becoming weaker. At least that's what
I hear on the dog shows and from breeders.
The wolf on the other hand is particular. I hear only the Alpha male
and female breed within a pack. Wolves keep it in the family and
families compete with the environment. May the best wolf win.
>
> From the animal kingdom, we also learn that
> breeding between diverse breeds or other branches of the same
> or related species generally results in stronger offspring, the
> oft-cited "hybrid vigor." So much for any notion of racial
> "homogeneity" being desirable from the genetic perspective.
>
There certainly are successful cases of intraspecies procreation
*but you fail to report the failures* like my unlikely German
Shephard/Pekinese example. This is because we don't know of every
failed mating whereas we *believe* we know of successful ones.
Maybe some cousins developed in a different way.
Homogeneity is the default.
>
>> 1. There has never been an egalitarian, multi-cultural society nor can
>> there be. Where human cultures are proximal, one culture and one
>> genotype will dominate.
>
> Nonsense; we live in one of several examples in the world today.
>
Please! We can't have this conversation. Egalitarianism is a fantasy.
egalitarian - asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in
the equality of all people, esp. in political, economic, or social life.
In matters physical, no two people are equal nor can they be made equal.
It is a specious argument.
But we do have certain things in common.
In our Declaration Jefferson had it that "all men are created equal."
Through this beginning we each have unalienable rights.
In the US we have the rule of law instead of rule by men. Thus all men
are equal under the law.
That's as close as you can get to egalitarian.
>
> How long it will last as such is uncertain, but then totally NON-egalitarian
> societies have also fallen (in fact, that would be the majority throughout
> history), so being dominated by a single culture or genotype doesn't
> appear to be any sort of guarantee of a society's long-term survival.
>
Well, I don't feel I'm dominated by culture but the social
stability that comes from a dominate culture is reassuring,
as long as I'm from that culture.
>
>> 2. Historically, every attempt to homogenize diverse peoples has
>> failed. Segregation and discrimination is the norm. The one shared
>> value of all cultures is trade and commerce.
>
> However, through the vast majority of history the human
> species lacked any form of truly global communications and/or
> transportation which was accessible to a significant fraction
> of the population; this is no longer the case, and history also
> teaches us that easy, open communications and travel is a
> certain path toward just such homogenization. It's just
> never before been possible on the scale that can be achieved
> today.
>
OK. Wired Magazine's Brave New World is for you.
Perhaps homo sapiens will someday develop a reliable form of global
communication - telepathy. Until then I believe that homo sapiens is
one catastrophe removed from subsistence living.
Which brings us back to the importance of maintaining genetic diversity.
>
> Bob M.
>
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> S'mee <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 12:27 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> > Gentleman) wrote:
> > > Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> > > > As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
>
> > > I suggest you Google for 'Ainu'.
>
> > Yep most japanese are originally from, wait for it
>
> > Korea!!! Yep it's true.
>
> > > >The one shared value of all cultures is trade and commerce.
>
> > > I think there are tribes in Brazil and New Guinea (if not elsewhere)
> > > who'd disagree.
>
> > and I think you'd agree they are the exception.
>
> I would. Which means we both agree he was talking bollocks when he said
> 'all'.
>
yeah, I suppose.
Bob Myers
> You are correct. I understand the Japanese have made exceptions
> and that it is not easy, even rare, for an outsider to become a
> citizen.
(Shrug.) Rare or not, YOUR point was:
>> As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
Which, of course, has now been done several times. You also
conveniently ignore the mention of the thousands of ethnic
Chinese, Koreans, and others who are Japanese citizens by virtue
of having been born in Japan to parents who were also Japanese
citizens. This wasn't just about "outsiders" - your point had to do
with ethnicity, and it was nonsense.
And no, the Ainu are not "ethnically Japanese," either. They have
been subsumed - to a large degree, at least - into the Japanese culture,
but are in fact the aborginal people of the Japanese archipelago and
had their own language and culture. They remained a separate and
distinct culture until fairly recently, with the Ainu of northern Hokkaido
only starting to interact and trade with the ethnic Japanese around the
time of the first Tokugawa Shogunate, approx. 1600 C.E.. They were,
in fact, declared to be the "former aboriginal people of Japan" by the
Japanese goverment in 1899, with the goal of their starting to more
completely assimilate into the mainstream Japanese culture. Until that
time, they were still a largely separate group. As of the passage of
that act, the Ainu were forced to adopt Japanese names and to cease
certain indigenous religious and cultural traditions.
>>> By nature, all living creatures are homogenous. There is a reason
>>> for this - group cohesion and survival of species through genetic
>>> competition leading to adoption or rejection of new features.
>>
>> But only within species (and sometimes not even then). Dogs of
>> all breeds readily accept other breeds, for instance, and the
>> diversity among breeds is far, far greater than that among the
>> human "races."
>>
>
> The German Shepard and the Pekinese are both canis familiaris
> and can create what, a little German Shepard or would that be a big
> Pekinese. Would that constitute diversity? I don't know which but I
> don't see it as genetically advantageous.
Obviously, you can pick extreme examples from the breeds within
the canine species; that does nothing to argue against the point.
>
> Just how did the Kangaroo mouse come about?
What on Earth are you talking about?
>
> Due to inbreeding, the dog is becoming weaker. At least that's what
> I hear on the dog shows and from breeders.
But "inbreeding" has absolutely nothing to do with mixing breeds.
It refers instead to the breeding of closely-related individuals of
the SAME breed, which definitely is a problem. As European
royalty demonstrated not all that long ago.
> The wolf on the other hand is particular. I hear only the Alpha male
> and female breed within a pack. Wolves keep it in the family and
> families compete with the environment. May the best wolf win.
You need to learn a good deal more about pack animals before
you make such nonsensical declarations as "wolves keep it in
the family."
>> From the animal kingdom, we also learn that
>> breeding between diverse breeds or other branches of the same
>> or related species generally results in stronger offspring, the
>> oft-cited "hybrid vigor." So much for any notion of racial
>> "homogeneity" being desirable from the genetic perspective.
>>
>
> There certainly are successful cases of intraspecies procreation
> *but you fail to report the failures* like my unlikely German
> Shephard/Pekinese example.
Again, a nonsensical example. INTRAspecies procreation
is what goes on in the vast majority of cases; in fact, the ability
to breed within the group is one of the distinguishing features
of a "species" in the first place (although the whole notion of
"species" is to some degree artificial, and the idea that breeding
across species does not occur is not always correct). I think
you meant to say "interspecies" (i.e., breeding across species
lines), but that isn't applicable here either. Dog breeds, even
those as distinct as the German Shepherd and Pekingese,
are still all the same species (Canis familiaris). Breeds within
the canine species are as noted a LOT more diverse than the
human "races," but are somewhat analogous to them. But in
both cases, it's still all one species, with the vast majority of
basic characteristics shared across all.
>>> 1. There has never been an egalitarian, multi-cultural society nor
>>> can there be. Where human cultures are proximal, one culture and
>>> one genotype will dominate.
>>
>> Nonsense; we live in one of several examples in the world today.
> Please! We can't have this conversation. Egalitarianism is a fantasy.
Because you declare it to be? Hardly much of an argument, now,
is it?
> In our Declaration Jefferson had it that "all men are created equal."
> Through this beginning we each have unalienable rights.
How could they be "unalienable" if they did not exist except
"through this beginning?" Thomas Jefferson created "unalienable"
rights?
The whole concept of rights is another interesting discussion in
political philosophy, but it's hardly the topic at hand.
> In the US we have the rule of law instead of rule by men. Thus all men
> are equal under the law.
And that IS "egalitarianism" in the sense we commonly use it here.
It has nothing to do with any two individuals being precisely equal
or duplicates of one another, and I believe you know that.
> Which brings us back to the importance of maintaining genetic
> diversity.
Which, unfortunately for you, so far has seen not one shred of
evidence or argument indicating that "genetic diversity" (and I
have to assume you mean keeping the races separate, given
the context) has any advantages whatsoever.
Bob M.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>> You are correct. I understand the Japanese have made exceptions
>> and that it is not easy, even rare, for an outsider to become a
>> citizen.
>
> (Shrug.) Rare or not, YOUR point was:
>
Yes, I made the challenge.
Older Gentleman suggested that I unwisely used the "all" word.
>
>>> As for today, find me a Japanese citizen who is not ethnic Japanese.
>
> Which, of course, has now been done several times. You also
> conveniently ignore the mention of the thousands of ethnic
> Chinese, Koreans, and others who are Japanese citizens by virtue
> of having been born in Japan to parents who were also Japanese
> citizens. This wasn't just about "outsiders" - your point had to do
> with ethnicity, and it was nonsense.
>
Are there degrees of citizenship? Conditions?
>
> And no, the Ainu are not "ethnically Japanese," either. They have
> been subsumed - to a large degree, at least - into the Japanese culture,
> but are in fact the aborginal people of the Japanese archipelago and
> had their own language and culture. They remained a separate and
> distinct culture until fairly recently, with the Ainu of northern Hokkaido
> only starting to interact and trade with the ethnic Japanese around the
> time of the first Tokugawa Shogunate, approx. 1600 C.E.. They were,
> in fact, declared to be the "former aboriginal people of Japan" by the
> Japanese goverment in 1899, with the goal of their starting to more
> completely assimilate into the mainstream Japanese culture. Until that
> time, they were still a largely separate group. As of the passage of
> that act, the Ainu were forced to adopt Japanese names and to cease
> certain indigenous religious and cultural traditions.
>
Yes, the Ainu were isolated and discriminated. I'm shocked.
"...until fairly recently, with the Ainu of northern Hokkaido
only starting to interact and trade with the ethnic Japanese around the
time of the first Tokugawa Shogunate, approx. 1600 C.E.."
But today the Ainu are considered ethnically Japanese. Yes?
I think you get my point.
>
>>>> By nature, all living creatures are homogenous. There is a reason
>>>> for this - group cohesion and survival of species through genetic
>>>> competition leading to adoption or rejection of new features.
>>> But only within species (and sometimes not even then). Dogs of
>>> all breeds readily accept other breeds, for instance, and the
>>> diversity among breeds is far, far greater than that among the
>>> human "races."
>>>
>> The German Shepard and the Pekinese are both canis familiaris
>> and can create what, a little German Shepard or would that be a big
>> Pekinese. Would that constitute diversity? I don't know which but I
>> don't see it as genetically advantageous.
>
> Obviously, you can pick extreme examples from the breeds within
> the canine species; that does nothing to argue against the point.
>
>> Just how did the Kangaroo mouse come about?
>
> What on Earth are you talking about?
>
The smallest type of Kangaroo, about 5" tall.
Maybe the result of adaptation to environment.
>
>> Due to inbreeding, the dog is becoming weaker. At least that's what
>> I hear on the dog shows and from breeders.
>
> But "inbreeding" has absolutely nothing to do with mixing breeds.
> It refers instead to the breeding of closely-related individuals of
> the SAME breed, which definitely is a problem. As European
> royalty demonstrated not all that long ago.
>
I think you get my point.
>
>> The wolf on the other hand is particular. I hear only the Alpha male
>> and female breed within a pack. Wolves keep it in the family and
>> families compete with the environment. May the best wolf win.
>
> You need to learn a good deal more about pack animals before
> you make such nonsensical declarations as "wolves keep it in
> the family."
>
Well, they do.
You just don't like my humor.
>
>>> From the animal kingdom, we also learn that
>>> breeding between diverse breeds or other branches of the same
>>> or related species generally results in stronger offspring, the
>>> oft-cited "hybrid vigor." So much for any notion of racial
>>> "homogeneity" being desirable from the genetic perspective.
>>>
>> There certainly are successful cases of intraspecies procreation
>> *but you fail to report the failures* like my unlikely German
>> Shephard/Pekinese example.
>
> Again, a nonsensical example. INTRAspecies procreation
> is what goes on in the vast majority of cases; in fact, the ability
> to breed within the group is one of the distinguishing features
> of a "species" in the first place (although the whole notion of
> "species" is to some degree artificial, and the idea that breeding
> across species does not occur is not always correct).
>
> I think
> you meant to say "interspecies" (i.e., breeding across species
> lines), but that isn't applicable here either. Dog breeds, even
> those as distinct as the German Shepherd and Pekingese,
> are still all the same species (Canis familiaris). Breeds within
> the canine species are as noted a LOT more diverse than the
> human "races," but are somewhat analogous to them. But in
> both cases, it's still all one species, with the vast majority of
> basic characteristics shared across all.
>
Yes, interspecies. I'll blame it on my editor.
Race will continue as a societal norm.
It's not up to me. Intermarriage on the margins will occur BUT the
recognition of distinct differences that we call race will continue.
>
> Bob M.
>
>
Darwin123
> http://www.adolfthegreat.com/
>
> Stop. No bleating. Visit the site for in-depth view of many
> positive National Socialist inititives. Pioneered laws protecting
> animals,
> cancer research, environmental protections, etc.
>
>
> re: There is a new book about National Socialist government really
> funding
> and encouraging cancer studies.
Read "Biologists Under Hitler" by Ute Deichmann.
I dare you.
The Nazi's turned many a "positive initiative" around.
Positive initiatives were turned around.
1) Capital punishment initiative: restrict beheading.
Hitler wrote a law restricting beheading to traitors. No longer could
murderers be beheaded. It was called a humanitarian breakthrough.
The only "traitors" beheaded were pacifist Christians.
Apparently, peaceful protests were more heineous than murder.
2) Freedom of religion initiative: Kill people on basis of ancestry
rather than religion.
I also remember that there was "freedom of religion" in Nazi
Germany. This is true. One was killed if one was Jewish by descent.
Technically, the religion was free. Haber's convertion to Christianity
didn't help the Haber family.
3) Medical textbook initiative: Get em' while they are fresh.
The Grey's Anatomy printed at this time had really good
photographs of human anatomy. Taken from the extermination camps, of
course. Jews should feel privileged to be part of such a pioneering
text.
Darwin123
>
> > The wolf on the other hand is particular. I hear only the Alpha male
> > and female breed within a pack. Wolves keep it in the family and
> > families compete with the environment. May the best wolf win.
beat the alpha pair, than they can't "afford" to reproduce. So far as
I know, the alpha pair doesn't kill any cubs.
Which makes me think that wolves are superior to humans.
>
> You need to learn a good deal more about pack animals before
> you make such nonsensical declarations as "wolves keep it in
> the family."
he is right. A lot of social animals have packs that are most
relatives. The mechanism by which these packs evolve is called "kin
selection."
The meercat is an interesting exception. The meercat is a highly
social weasel that organizes packs that aren't bound by kin. No one
knows by what mechanism meercats evolved.
>
> >> From the animal kingdom, we also learn that
> >> breeding between diverse breeds or other branches of the same
> >> or related species generally results in stronger offspring, the
> >> oft-cited "hybrid vigor." So much for any notion of racial
> >> "homogeneity" being desirable from the genetic perspective.
the hybrid are highly inbred. If a population is highly inbred, the
recessive genes are forced to express themselves. Then natural
selection eliminates the unfit recessive genes.
Each inbred population may be unhealthy since some of the useful
genes are lost due to random selection. Good genes are lost by
accident. However, a hybrid has a large chance of having a complete
set of "good" genes and no recessive "bad genes." So hybrids are
robust.
If one of these inbred populations wipes out the other, the
winner can't produce vigorous hybrids. I would argue that class
systems are good, but genocide is bad.
One wants inbreeding. However, the inbred group should practice
its own eugenics within itself. Social selection, where groups wipe
each other out, doesn't work too well. Kin selection works somewhat.
Eusocial animals often develop inbred "tribes" which
occassionally marry out to form vigorous hybrids. Although colonies
form from hybrids, the colony becomes inbred after several
generations. Termites and naked mole rats consist of highly inbred
colonies. Occasionally, a couple form outside the inbred colony. Note
that the colonies seldom destroy each other. Vigor requires an
occasional outcross.
I don't think the Nazi eugenics program was really scientific. I
think most eugenics societies of that time would barf at their
unscientific program. The Nazi race concept was based more on magic
than science.
>
> > There certainly are successful cases of intraspecies procreation
> > *but you fail to report the failures* like my unlikely German
> > Shephard/Pekinese example.
hybridization barriers.
>
>
> >>> 1. There has never been an egalitarian, multi-cultural society nor
> >>> can there be.
work the best. I don't think egalitarian works well. However, I don't
think people really want an egalitarian society.
I think eusocial animals are about as multicultural as one can
get. They aren't egalitarian, but they definitely have a wide
assortment of classes.
>Where human cultures are proximal, one culture and
> >>> one genotype will dominate.
I don't know how many Jews, gypsies and Poles really want to be
President of the United States. Or Prime Minister of Germany. Or the
CEO of Microsoft. However, I do believe most of people want
representation.
"Equality" if for weenies. I don't think economic or political
equality is possible or desirable. However, I think peaceful
representation and peaceful negotiation is possible in a multicultural
society. Or even a polygenetic society.
>
> >> Nonsense; we live in one of several examples in the world today.
> > Please! We can't have this conversation. Egalitarianism is a fantasy.
jewelery. I want a vote.
>
> Which, unfortunately for you, so far has seen not one shred of
> evidence or argument indicating that "genetic diversity" (and I
> have to assume you mean keeping the races separate, given
> the context) has any advantages whatsoever.
naturally tend to segregate, of their own free will. An occasional
hybrid cross is good. One gets vigor that way.
BryanUT
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Whatever.
Twibil
>
>
> I think groupings will stay separate naturally.
Two things:
(A) That's not really "thinking", because apparently you don't get out
much and have no idea of what's currently going on in the world.
That's what we call "wishing".
(B) The majority of the kids in my wife's 8th grade English class come
from a wide variety of racial, cultural, and religious mixtures; and
that situation is becoming ever more common as time goes by.
Too bad for the bigots.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> >> Just how did the Kangaroo mouse come about?
>
> > What on Earth are you talking about?
>
> The smallest type of Kangaroo, about 5" tall.
>
> Maybe the result of adaptation to environment.
Humans, as I understand it have remarkably little
genetic variation, (much less than chimps), yet they
seem to have outcompeted wolves, meercats, kangaroo
rats and just about every other medium to large critter
on the planet.
They also seem to have colonized all but one of the
continents with almost no specialized physiological
adaptations to their environments.
Seems too as if you only start worrying about genetic
diversity when a species drops down to a few hundred
individuals. I don't see that happening in the near future.
So I ask you two questions
What kind of genetic differences do you see in present
day humans that have played a significant role in human
success ?
What kind of future adaptations or genetic losses do you
see as worrisome given our present day lack of genetic
diversity ?
It'd be much appreciated too if we could avoid too many
comparisons bewteen humans an kangaroo rats, wolves,
meerkats, etc. To date, evidence says we're way ahead
of 'em.