Re: Latinos destroying protected wilderness areas in Arizona
brad herschel
> On Jan 24, 6:54 pm, Steve from Colorado <gass...@hushmail.com> wrote:
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> > BLM trying to take on border protection
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> > By Brady McCombs Arizona Daily Star azdailysun.com | Posted: Monday,
> > January 24, 2011 5:00 am
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> > TABLE TOP WILDERNESS AREA -- The landscape of saguaros, mesquite trees
> > and prickly pear cactus here has a new feature -- steel railroad rails
> > welded into crisscrosses and connected by flat rails.
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> > This rusting structure is a vehicle barrier designed to stop drug and
> > people smugglers who barrel across the desert in trucks. The barriers
> > are common at the international line -- there are more than 139 miles
> > of them along Arizona's stretch of U.S.-Mexico border.
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> > But this isn't the border.
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> > This 1.3-mile stretch of "Normandy-style" vehicle barriers was
> > recently erected 70 miles north of the border on the Bureau of Land
> > Management's Sonoran Desert Monument, just south of Interstate 8 and
> > southwest of Casa Grande.
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> > It is likely the first time border barriers have been used this far
> > north, and the latest example of how managing public lands along the
> > U.S.-Mexico border is now as much about dealing with trash and trails
> > left behind by illegal border crossers as it is about monitoring
> > endangered animals or watering holes.
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> > BLM officials put up the barrier to redirect traffic around the
> > federally protected Table Top Wilderness Area, where cars are
> > prohibited. They know it won't stop drugs from reaching cities across
> > the United States, but they couldn't sit back and watch the beautiful
> > landscape get trampled.
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> > Skinny, knee-high signs proclaim Table Top as protected wilderness.
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> > "The public might respect our little signs, but they are not an issue
> > for the smugglers," said Damian Hayes, a BLM law enforcement ranger
> > who patrols the area.
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> > The barrier is on the southern boundary of Table Top, which borders
> > the northern edge of the Tohono O'odham Nation. Smugglers have carved
> > a grid of illegal roads through the wilderness area as they cross the
> > O'odham land and cut through Table Top on their way toward Phoenix,
> > inflicting serious damage to the habitat.
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> > The recently completed barrier has already diverted vehicle smuggling
> > around the wilderness area, and BLM crews have begun restoring the
> > lands damaged by the roads, Hayes said.
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> > "It's been amazing that it's done exactly what it was intended to do,"
> > said Hayes, who has patrolled the area for four years. "It's hard to
> > gauge exactly where they are going, but they are definitely not using
> > the wilderness area."
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> > The problem isn't unique to the Table Top Wilderness. From Organ Pipe
> > Cactus National Monument in Southwestern Arizona to Buenos Aires
> > National Wildlife Refuge southwest of Tucson to the multiple patches
> > of Coronado National Forest across Arizona's border, land managers
> > grapple with a multitude of issues related to being the busiest
> > stretch of border for illegal immigration and drug smuggling.
> > Including the Tohono O'odham Nation, nearly 86 percent of the Arizona-
> > Mexico borderlands are federal or tribal lands.
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> > Dealing with border issues is nothing new -- Arizona has been the
> > route of choice for a decade. But the national attention about how
> > federal public-land managers deal with the cross-border traffic and
> > work with federal law enforcement agencies has amplified in the past
> > year with two high-profile killings in which suspects may have passed
> > through federal lands.
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> > BLM officials put up signs south of I-8 in the Table Top Wilderness
> > Area warning visitors that the area was an active human- and drug-
> > smuggling corridor and that they may encounter "armed criminals and
> > smuggling vehicles." The signs became political fodder in the 2010
> > election and became a symbol to some that the United States had ceded
> > territory to smugglers.
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> > When BLM officials took them down and replaced them in October with
> > toned-down notices, they were criticized for trying to make it seem
> > that the problem had gone away. The irony -- similar signs have been
> > up for years across Southern Arizona.
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> > The agency is considering putting up more vehicle barriers in Ironwood
> > Forest Monument just northwest of Tucson. There are already vehicle
> > barriers or fences up along the international border in the Organ Pipe
> > Cactus National Monument, Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge,
> > Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge and the Coronado National
> > Forest.
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> > Materials to build vehicle barriers are plentiful -- hundreds of miles
> > of old barriers were uprooted in the past three years to make way for
> > Department of Homeland Security border fences and walls. Some of that
> > excess supply went into the Table Top barriers, which cost the BLM
> > about $66,000 each, said spokesman Dennis Godfrey.
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> > Threat to employees
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> > "The United States and Mexico border is 1,969 miles long," says a
> > woman narrating over vaguely Mexican-sounding music and video of
> > cactus and mesquite at the border. "It is a land that is both
> > beautiful and fragile with a rich diversity of plants and animals.
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> > "The management and protection of many of these areas has been
> > entrusted to federal and state agencies," she says, as logos of the
> > U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the BLM and the National Park Service,
> > among others, flash on the screen.
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> > "The employees working for these agencies not only have to protect the
> > land and serve the public, but also have to deal with a unique
> > situation: a tremendous amount of drug smuggling and illegal
> > immigration in a harsh desert environment. These illegal activities
> > pose a very real threat to employees."
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> > This video -- titled "Working along the United States-Mexico border"
> > -- is shown to federal employees and volunteers to make them aware of
> > the situation and how to protect themselves.
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> > Though illegal crossings have dipped along with the economy in recent
> > years, federal lands in Arizona continue to be high-risk areas for
> > illegal immigration and drug smuggling, says a November report from
> > the Government Accountability Office.
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> > To read more go to:
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> >http://www.azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/article_a44cf...
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> And our worthless government in Washington, DC flails every so
> lightly.
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> "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien". No crime, no filth, no
> decay, no
> "anchor babies. Detain, deport, Repeat illegal crossers to be help in
> work
> camps for at least five years. Mission cleanup and road repair.- Hide quoted text -
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Uncle Sam has morphed into Uncle Suckemoff. Iconic status revoked.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS
to destroy america, HAHA
Phxbrd
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> Shut up greengo. You hate chicano becuz you raceest. Chicano goeeng
> to destroy america, HAHA
More than gringo ranchers already have?
Jarbidge
Much, witness : our borderlands.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rTYxDHADATg/TSiv_7sSjAI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/tdr5FJ1sMw0/
s1600/BorderTrash.jpg
Phxbrd
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You can look at trash and know instantly the immigration status of the
person who dropped it there? That's downright amazing!
OTOH, such trash is temporary, and in the long run, relatively harmless.
More permanent damage to the land has been done by cattle. Live and learn,
Grasshopper:
Jarbidge
> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 02:01:37 -0700, Phxbrd wrote:
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>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>>> <josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Shut up greengo. You hate chicano becuz you raceest. Chicano goeeng
>>>> to destroy america, HAHA
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>>> More than gringo ranchers already have?
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>> Much, witness : our borderlands.
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>> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rTYxDHADATg/TSiv_7sSjAI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/
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> You can look at trash and know instantly the immigration status of the
> person who dropped it there? That's downright amazing!
Sure is, seems folks in a hurry to escape capture tend to discard stuff
rather quickly.
> OTOH, such trash is temporary,
Only if it is systematically picked up. And that's difficult and spendy
in remote desert canyons and washes.
. and in the long run, relatively harmless.
A total lie.
http://www.azbordertrash.gov/about.html
Characterizing the Impact
Accumulated border trash has been shown to affect human health, the
environment and economic wellbeing. Impacts include:
•Strewn trash and piles
•Illegal trails and paths
•Erosion and watershed degradation
•Damaged infrastructure and property
•Loss of vegetation and wildlife
•Campfires and escaped fires
•Abandoned vehicles and bicycles
•Vandalism, graffiti and site damage (historical and archaeological)
•Occurrence of bio-hazardous waste
> More permanent damage to the land has been done by cattle.
Cattle are legal to own and provide food for humans and are regulated by
the BLM.
Also cattle do not set fires:
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/trashing-arizona/Content?oid=1168857
In the past, fires rarely produced big blazes in the desert. But today,
if illegals don't extinguish their cook fire, or they set a fire to
distract law enforcement and then abandon it—two common events—the result
can be a runaway fire fueled by buffelgrass. These fires kill plants and
trees that set up the desert's entire regeneration process, and the
potential impact is huge.
"We have preliminary evidence that fire changes the whole structure of
desert habitats," says Nabhan, now with UA's Southwest Center. "Once a
fire moves through, it knocks back the nurse trees and permanently alters
the desert's capacity to heal itself.
"This isn't hypothetical. We're seeing it from Hermosillo, Mexico, north
in a million places."
The desert tortoise is particularly susceptible to the ill effects of
alien trash. These critters live in rocky wash banks heavy with
vegetation and shade, the same areas where illegals lay up. And the
tortoises are slow to reproduce, meaning any knock-back in its population
will take a long time to replenish.
Officials at the Ironwood—where 3,000 pounds of trash a year are removed,
some left by local citizens—suspected such a population decline and
studied the question in 2002. Results were inconclusive. But the authors
cited the observation of a longtime resident who has seen fewer tortoises
since illegals began using the area in such big numbers.
This fellow also has encountered aliens carrying desert tortoises, and so
have staffers at the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge and Organ
Pipe Cactus National Monument, both in Southwest Arizona. The reason?
Probably to cook and eat.
Curt McCasland, manager at the Cabeza, says they've also found the shells
of five tortoises among the litter at trash dumps. "We don't know if the
trash killed the tortoises, or if the migrants consumed the tortoises,"
says McCasland. "We're not sure what's happening. We're too busy
monitoring the impacts of illegal immigration on our wilderness areas and
haven't had time or money to study tortoises."
As for the water supply, it would seem to be especially vulnerable,
because these trash dumps are often found at water sources. Some ranchers
have reported their wells are contaminated with fecal bacteria, likely
the result of so many illegal aliens defecating near water sources. But
this issue, too, needs more study.
On national forest land, says Graves, the contamination of wells is less
of an issue than the fouling of drinking water for wildlife, such as at
open stock tanks. "The contamination there is very high," he says. Open
stock tanks are pits in the ground, usually associated with a stream
system. Illegals and animals gather at the tanks and defecate, and when
it rains, the waste gets into the tanks, creating sewage-like conditions
in summertime.
"If you fill a water bottle at one of these tanks, it has more protein in
it than a protein shake because of the animal and human fecal matter,"
says Graves.
> Live and learn, Grasshopper:
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> http://www.thebeckoning.com/environment/cattle/grazing.html
Learn some things yourself, at the expense of the state of Arizona:
The collection and disposal of waste in remote areas along Arizona's 370-
mile border with Mexico poses difficult challenges. An estimated more
than 2,000 tons of trash is discarded annually in Arizona's borderlands.
A variety of federal and state government entities, Native American
tribes and private landowners are affected by the problem, and addressing
it requires extensive coordination.
The environmental impact caused by illegal immigration, and the trash
left behind, is increasingly being found in areas that are more fragile
and remote.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/04/25/
USMEXICO_BORDER_Trash_pollution_imperil_Tijuana_River_marshe/
Along the U.S.-Mexico border, the fragile salt marshes at the mouth of
the Tijuana River are clinging to life as one of the last vestiges of
undeveloped California coast, where tall grasses sway gently in the
breeze and rare birds stop to nest. Just across the border is another
landscape: old tires, plastic bottles, raw sewage and vast amounts of
filthy sediment, all of it threatening to wash across the divide and
spoil one of California's few surviving coastal wetlands.
Conservationists are struggling to protect the teeming nature preserve
south of San Diego from the loose soil, trash and...
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/trashing-arizona/Content?oid=1168857
Trashing Arizona
Illegal immigrants dump tons of waste in the wilderness every day—and
it's devastating the environment
In 2005, sector agents made an average of 1,205 arrests a day. Last year,
the number was down to 870 daily—which translates to 7,000 pounds of
trash.
But remember: Those who get through outnumber arrests by at least 3-to-1.
So the real figure is probably closer to 21,000 pounds dropped ... every
24 hours.
In the sheer numbers of people, this is a historic migration, far bigger
than the 1848 California gold rush—and those grubby, gallant, greedy gold
rushers also gave this land a good thrashing.
As the conservation scientist Gary Nabhan tells me, the garbage being
left behind today will scar our state's landscape into the 22nd century.
Another problem: ADEQ officials say the sites can be contaminated with
bio-hazardous waste. What else might be in these dumps? Are communicable
diseases present?
The accompanying photograph to the left shows a site below Diablito
Mountain, 5 miles west of Interstate 19 and 21 miles north of Nogales.
Illegals reach this wash after emerging from the Tumacacori Mountains,
which are also trashed out. The litter at Diablito, on state land, was so
solid that you could walk a half-mile without your feet touching the
sand. In border-speak, the site is called a layup.
When illegals prepare to meet their pickup rides, they often drop
everything to better squeeze into getaway vehicles. They switch from
hiking clothes into street clothes, and off they go, to Los Angeles,
Fargo, N.D., Lewiston, Maine, and everywhere in between. The majority of
the trash is backpacks, clothing, food cans, toothpaste, toys, water
bottles.
But the Diablito site, like dozens of others, includes piles of human
feces, tampons, medicines, syringes and even used condoms.
"If a sick person discards a medicine bottle, anyone picking it up might
be exposing himself," says veterinarian Gary Thrasher, who travels the
borderlands daily in his work. "You see guys joking around, picking up
clothes and hats from these dumps and wearing them. I don't know what
they're thinking. People are coming across from down in southern Mexico,
and there are lots of problems you can run into, including cholera."
The health risk makes land managers leery of using volunteer cleanup
crews, says Keith Graves, former Coronado National Forest district ranger
in Nogales, and now the border liaison between the forest and the Secure
Border Initiative.
Phxbrd
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Billy
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/25/business/25cnd-meat.html?_r=1&scp=6&sq
=meatpacking&st=cse>>
Meat Packing Industry Criticized on Human Rights Grounds
In his research, Mr. Compa, who is a professor of industrial and labor
relations at Cornell University, focused on three companies:
Tyson Foods, Smithfield Foods, and Nebraska Beef.
"Meat packing is the most dangerous factory job in America," said Lance
Compa, the report's author. "Dangerous conditions are cheaper for
companies - and the government does next to nothing."
The report also concluded that packing companies violated human and
labor rights by suppressing their employees' efforts to organize by, for
example, often firing employees who support a union. The report asserted
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that slaughterhouse and packing plants also flouted international rules
by taking advantage of workers' immigration status - in some plants
two-thirds of the workers are illegal immigrants -
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to subject them to inferior treatment.
The Human Rights Watch report describes Smithfield's violations during
that 1997 unionization drive, including firing pro-union workers,
stationing police officers at plant gates to intimidate workers and
orchestrating an assault on union supporters.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/opinion/13sun2.html?scp=1&sq=meatpackin
g&st=cse
EDITORIAL
The Shame of Postville, Iowa
Published: July 13, 2008
Anyone who has doubts that this country is abusing and terrorizing
undocumented immigrant workers should read an essay by Erik
Camayd-Freixas, a professor and Spanish-language court interpreter who
witnessed the aftermath of a huge immigration workplace raid at a
meatpacking plant in Iowa.
<http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20080711IMMIG.pdf>
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/26/state/n133616
S79.DTL
Feds estimate deportation costs $12,500 per person
Wednesday, January 26, 2011
(01-26) 13:36 PST WASHINGTON, CA (AP) --
A high-level immigration official says it costs $12,500 to arrest,
detain and deport each person removed from the U.S.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement deputy director Kumar Kibble has
announced that cost at a House subcommittee hearing. Wednesday's hearing
focused on whether the Obama administration is doing enough to round up
people working illegally in the U.S. ICE deported almost 393,000 people
from the U.S. in 2010. At $12,500 per person the cost to remove them was
almost $5 billion.
An estimated 11 million people are in the U.S. without proper
documentation.
11 million people X $12,500 = $137,500,000,000 ($137.5 billion)
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After spending $94 billion to export these illegals,
<http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/estimate-for-deporting-illeg
al-immigrants-94-billion/>
we could divvy up their low paying fruit and vegetable picking jobs.
There would also be their low paying gardening, house cleaning, and
manual/menial labor jobs to fight for. Of course we would lose the $5
billion that they pay in taxes, that they will never be able to benefit
from.
<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?ex=1270353
600&en=78c87ac4641dc383&ei=5090&partner=kmarx>
But why do we worry about these nickel and dime crimes when we have
giant parasites,"White Guys in Suits", sucking trillion$ of
dollars out of the economy, costing millions of people their jobs and
their homes?
Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle by
Chris Hedges
<http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Illusion-Literacy-Triumph-Spectacle/dp/1568
586132/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295634644&sr=1-1>
(Available at better libraries near you.)
Chapter 5
. . . "America's most dangerous enemies are not
Islamic radicals (or undocumented workers) but those who sold us the
perverted ideology of free-market capitalism and globalization. They
have dynamited the foundations of our society. . .
The problems we face are structural. The old America is not com-
ing back. Our financial system was taken hostage and looted by
bankers, brokers, and speculators who told us that the old means of
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making capital by producing and manufacturing were outdated. They
assured us money could be made out of money. They insisted that
financial markets could be self-regulating. Like all financial markets
throughout history that have thrown off oversight and regulation, ours
has collapsed. Speculators in the seventeenth century were hanged.
Today they receive billions in taxpayer dollars and huge bonuses.
The corporate forces that control the state will never permit real
reform. It would mean their extinction. These corporations, especially
the oil and gas industry, will never allow us to achieve energy
independence. That would devastate their profits. It would wipe out
tens of billions of dollars in weapons contracts. It would cripple the
financial health of a host of private contractors from Halliburton to
Blackwater/Xe and render obsolete the existence of U.S. Central Command.
This is the harsh, unspoken reality of corporate power. The
unseen hands of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrup Grumman,
the nation's top-three defense contractors, divided up $69 million in
Pentagon contracts in 2007, the last year for which contracting data are
available. These industries, which have judiciously spread their parts
and supply business throughout the country, defend the production of
weapons systems as vital for employment. But their leaders are clearly
nervous. The Aerospace Industries Association (AIA), which represents
more than one hundred defense and aerospace corporations, has an ad
campaign with the slogan: "Aerospace and Defense: The Strength to
Lift America." It claims its manufacturers contribute $97 billion in
exports a year and employ 2 million people, a figure disputed by the
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, which puts the number at 472,000 wage
and salary workers. But this has not dampened the promise made by
these corporate executives to help lift the nation out of its economic
morass. "Our industry is ready and able to lead the way out of the
economic crisis," Fred Downey, an associate vice president, told the
Associated Press. The ads are useful, but so is the some $149 million a
year the industry lavishes on lobbying firms, according to the Center
for Representative Politics.
Seymour Mellman spent his academic career, which spanned the
Cold War, at Columbia University, researching, writing, and speaking
about the large military portion of the federal budget. In Pentagon
Capitalism he described the redundancy and costliness of modern
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weapons systems�such as the next wave of fighter planes, missiles,
submarines, and aircraft carriers. He said that high-tech weapons yet to
be designed always escalate spending as new, costlier systems replace
the old, which are often junked.
The United States has become the largest single seller of arms
and munitions on the planet. The defense budget for fiscal 2008 is the
largest since the Second World War. More than half of federal discre-
tionary spending goes to defense. And so we build Cold War relics
such as the $14 billion Virginia-class submarines as well as the stealth
fighters we engineered to evade radar systems the Soviets never built.
We spend $8.9 billion on ICBM missile defense systems that would be
useless in stopping a shipping container concealing a dirty bomb. The
defense industry is able to monopolize the best scientific and research
talent and squander the nation's resources and investment capital.
These defense industries produce nothing that is useful for society or
the national trade account. They offer little more than a psychologi-
cal security blanket for fearful Americans who want to feel protected
and safe.
The defense industry is a virus. It destroys healthy economies. We
produce sophisticated fighter jets while Boeing is unable to finish its
new commercial plane on schedule and our automotive industry goes
bankrupt. We sink money into research and development of weapons
systems and starve renewable energy technologies to fight global
warming. Universities are flooded with defense-related cash and grants
yet struggle to find money for environmental studies. The massive
military spending, aided by this $3 trillion war, has a social cost. Our
bridges and levees collapse, our schools decay, our real manufacturing
is done overseas by foreign workers, and our social safety net is taken
away. And we are bombarded with the militarized language of power and
strength that masks our brittle reality. . .
The Pentagon, Mellman noted, is not restricted by the economic
rules of producing goods, selling them for a profit, then using the
profit
for further investment and production. It operates, rather, outside of
competitive markets. It has erased the line between the state and the
corporation, and it subverts the actual economy. It leeches away the
ability of the nation to manufacture useful products and produce
sustainable jobs. Mellman used the example of the New York City Transit
Authority and its allocation in 2003 of $3 billion to $4 billion for new
subway cars. New York City asked for bids, and no American companies
responded. Mellman argued that the industrial base in America was no
longer centered on items that maintain, improve, or are used to
build the nation's infrastructure. New York City eventually contracted
with companies in Japan and Canada to build its subway cars. Mellman
estimated that such a contract could have generated, directly and
indirectly, about 32,000 jobs in the United States.
The grip of corporations on government is not limited to the defense
industry. It has leeched into nearly every aspect of the economy. The
attempt to create a health-care plan that also conciliates the
corporations that profit from the misery and illnesses of tens of
millions of Americans is naive, at best, and probably disingenuous. This
conciliation insists that we can coax these corporations, which are
listed on the stock exchange and exist to maximize profit, to transform
themselves into social-service agencies that will provide adequate
health care for all Americans.
"Obama offers a false hope," says Dr. John Geyman, former chair
of family medicine at the University of Washington and author of Do
Not Resuscitate: Why the Health Insurance Industry Is Dying, and How
We Must Replace It. "We cannot build on or tweak the present system.
Different states have tried this. The problem is the private insurance
industry itself. It is not as efficient as a publicly financed system.
It fragments risk pools, skimming off the healthier part of the
population
and leaving the rest uninsured or underinsured. Its administrative and
overhead costs are five to eight times higher than public financing
through Medicare. It cares more about its shareholders than its
enrollees or patients. A family of four now pays about $12,000 a year
just in premiums, which have gone up by 87 percent from 2000 to 2006.
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The insurance industry is pricing itself out of the market for an ever-
larger part of the population. The industry resists regulation. It is
unsustainable by present trends."
Our health-care system is broken. There are some 46 million
Americans without coverage and tens of millions with inadequate poli-
cies that severely limit what kinds of procedures and treatments they
can receive. Eighteen thousand people die, according to the Institute of
Medicine, every year because they can't afford health care. . .
"The private health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical
industry completely and totally oppose national health insurance," says
Stephanie Woolhandler, one of the founders of Physicians for a
National Health Program. "The private health insurance companies
would go out of business. The pharmaceutical companies are afraid
that a national health program will, as in Canada, be able to negotiate
lower drug prices. Canadians pay 40 percent less for their drugs. We see
this on a smaller scale in the United States, where the Department of
Defense is able to negotiate pharmaceutical prices that are 40 percent
lower." . .
Our health system costs nearly twice as much as national programs in
countries such as Switzerland. The overhead for traditional Medicare is
3 percent, and the overhead for the investment-owned companies is 26.5
percent. A staggering 31 percent of our health-care expenditures is
spent on administrative costs. Look what we get in return. And yet the
reality of the health-care system is never discussed because
corporations, which fund the main political parties, do not want it
discussed. . .
The Democratic Party has been as guilty as the Republicans in the
abdication of real power to the corporate state. It was Bill Clinton who
led the Democratic Party to the corporate watering trough. Clinton
argued that the party had to ditch labor unions, no longer a source of
votes or power, as a political ally. Workers, he insisted, would vote
Democratic anyway. They had no choice. It was better, he argued, to
take corporate money and do corporate bidding. By the 1990s, the
Democratic Party, under Clinton's leadership, had virtual fund-raising
parity with the Republicans. Today the Democrats raise more.
The legislation demanded by corporations sold out the American
worker. This betrayal was accompanied with a slick advertising campaign
that promoted the laws, used to destroy the working class, as the
salvation of the American worker. The North American Free Trade
Agreement was peddled by the Clinton White House as an opportunity
to raise the incomes and prosperity of the citizens of the United States,
Canada, and Mexico. NAFTA would also, we were told, stanch Mexican
immigration into the United States.
p.157
"There will be less illegal immigration because more Mexicans will
be able to support their children by staying home," President Clinton
said in the spring of 1993 as he was lobbying for the bill.
But NAFTA, which took effect in 1994, had the effect of reversing
every one of Clinton's rosy predictions. Once the Mexican government
lifted price supports on corn and beans grown by Mexican farmers,
those farmers had to compete against the huge agribusinesses in the
United States. Many Mexican farmers were swiftly bankrupted. At least
2 million Mexican farmers have been driven off their land since 1994.
And guess where many of them went? This desperate flight of poor
Mexicans into the United States is now being exacerbated by large-scale
factory closures along the border as manufacturers pack up and leave
Mexico for the cut-rate embrace of China's totalitarian capitalism. But
we were assured that goods would be cheaper. Workers would be
wealthier. Everyone would be happier. I am not sure how these
contradictory things were supposed to happen, but in a sound-bite
society, reality no longer matters. NAFTA was great if you were a
corporation. It was a disaster if you were a worker.
Clinton's welfare reform bill, signed on August 22,1996, obliterated the
nation's social safety net. It threw 6 million people, many of them
single mothers, off the welfare rolls within three years. It dumped them
onto the streets without child care, rent subsidies, or continued
Medicaid coverage. Families were plunged into crisis, struggling to
survive on multiple jobs that paid $6 or $7 an hour, or less than
$15,000 a year. And these were the lucky ones. In some states, half of
those dropped from the welfare rolls could not find work. Clinton
slashed Medicare by $115 billion over a five-year period and cut $25
billion in Medicaid funding. The booming and overcrowded prison system
handled the influx of the poor, as well as our abandoned mentally ill.
We have 2.3 million of our citizens behind bars, most of them for
nonviolent drug offenses. More than one in one hundred adults in the
United States is incarcerated. The United States, with less than 5
percent of the global population, has almost 25 percent of the world's
prisoners. One in nine black men between twenty and thirty-four is
behind bars. This has effectively decapitated the leadership in the
inner cities, where African Americans have traditionally had to react
more quickly to confront social injustices.
p.158
The Clinton administration, led by Lawrence Summers, signed
into law the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, which
ripped down the firewalls that had been established by the 1933 Glass-
Steagall Act. Designed to prevent the kind of meltdown we are now
experiencing, Glass-Steagall established the Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation. It set in place banking reforms to stop speculators from
hijacking the financial system. With Glass-Steagall demolished, and the
passage of NAFTA, the Democrats, led by Clinton, tumbled gleefully
into bed with corporations and Wall Street speculators. They used
institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as a welfare gravy train.
And many of the architects of this deregulation, economists such as
Summers, remain in charge of the nation's economic policy.
The cost of our empire of illusion is not being paid by the corporate
titans. It is being paid on the streets of our inner cities, in former
manufacturing towns, and in depressed rural enclaves. This cost
transcends declining numbers and statistics and speaks the language of
human misery and pain. Human beings are not commodities. They are not
goods. They grieve and suffer and feel despair. They raise children and
struggle to maintain communities. The growing class divide is not
understood, despite the glibness of many in the media, by complicated
p.159
sets of statistics, lines on a graph that chart stocks, or the absurd,
Utopian faith in unregulated globalization and complicated trade deals.
It is understood in the eyes of a man or woman who is no longer mak-
ing enough money to live with dignity and hope.
Elba Figueroa, forty-seven, lives in Trenton, New Jersey. She
worked as a nurse's aide until she got Parkinson's disease. She lost
her job. She lost her health care. She receives $703 a month in gov-
ernment assistance. Her rent alone runs $750 a month. And so she
borrows money from friends and neighbors to stay in her apart-
ment. She laboriously negotiates her wheelchair up and down steps
and along the sidewalks of Trenton to get to soup kitchens and food
pantries to eat.
"Food prices have gone up," Figueroa says, waiting to get inside the
food pantry run by the Crisis Ministry of Princeton and Trenton. "I
don't have any money. I run out of things to eat. I worked until I physi-
cally could not work anymore. Now I live like this." . . .
States, facing dramatic budget shortfalls, are slashing social assis-
tance programs, including Medicaid, social services, and education.
New Jersey's shortfall has tripled to $1.2 billion and could soar to $5
billion. Tax revenue has fallen to $211 million less than projected.
States are imposing hiring freezes, canceling raises, and cutting back
on services big and small, from salting and plowing streets in winter to
heating assistance programs. Unemployment insurance funds, especially
with the proposed extension of benefits, are running out of money. . .
Corporations are ubiquitous parts of our lives, and those that own and
run them want them to remain that way. We eat corporate food. We
buy corporate clothes. We drive in corporate cars. We buy our fuel
from corporations. We borrow from, invest our retirement savings
with, and take out college loans with corporations and corporate
banks. We are entertained, informed, and bombarded with advertisements
by corporations. Many of us work for corporations. There are
few aspects of life left that have not been taken over by corporations,
from mail delivery to public utilities to our for-profit health-care
system. These corporations have no loyalty to the country or workers. Our
impoverishment feeds their profits. And profits, for corporations, are
all that count.
The corporation is designed to make money without regard to
human life, the social good, or the impact of the corporation's
activities on the environment. Corporation bylaws impose a legal duty on
corporate executives to make the largest profits possible for
shareholders.
In the 2003 documentary film The Corporation by Mark Achbar, Jen-
nifer Abbott, and Joel Bakan, management guru Peter Drucker tells
Bakan: "If you find an executive who wants to take on social responsi-
bilities, fire him. Fast." And William Niskanen, chair of the libertarian
Cato Institute, says that he would not invest in a company that pro-
moted corporate responsibility.
p.l62
A corporation that attempts to engage in social responsibility, that
tries to pay workers a decent wage with benefit, that protects workers'
rights, that invests its profits to limit pollution, that gives consumers
better deals, can actually be sued by shareholders. Robert Monks, an
investment manager, says in the film: "The corporation is an
externalizing machine, in the same way that a shark is a killing
machine. There isn't any question of malevolence or of will. The
enterprise has within it, and the shark has within it, those
characteristics that enable it to do that for which it was designed." . .
The film (The Corporation), based on Bakan's book The Corporation: The
Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power, asserts that the corporation
exhibits many of the traits found in people clinically defined as
psychopaths. Psychologist Robert Hare recites in the film a checklist of
psychopathic traits and ties them to the behavior of corporations:
� Callous unconcern for the feelings for others;
� Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships;
� Reckless disregard for the safety of others;
� Deceitfulness: repeated lying and conning of others for profit;
� Incapacity to experience guilt:
� Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behavior.
And yet, under the American legal system, corporations have the
same legal rights as individuals. They make contributions to candidates.
They fund 35,000 lobbyists in Washington and thousands more in state
capitals to write corporate-friendly legislation and defang regulatory
agencies. They saturate the airwaves, the Internet, newspapers, and
magazines with advertisements promoting their brands as the
p.163
friendly face of the corporation. They have huge legal teams, tens of
thousands of employees, and scores of elected officials who ward off
public intrusions into their affairs or lawsuits. They hold a near
monopoly on all electronic and printed sources of information. A few
media giants, such as AOL Time Warner, General Electric, Viacom,
Disney, and Rupert Murdoch's NewsGroup, control nearly everything
we read, see, and hear.
The growing desperation across the United States is unleashing not
simply a recession�we have been in a recession for some time now�
but rather a depression unlike anything we have seen since the 1930S. It
has provided a pool of broken people willing to work for low wages
without unions or benefits. This is excellent news if you are a
corporation. It is very bad news if you are a worker.
-----
<http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/5954471.html>
Corporations not pulling weight on taxes
-----
No, it isn't illegals who are hurting us.
It�s "White Guys in Suits".
So, if you have a bone to pick,
go pick it with the "White Guys in Suits".
--
- Billy
�When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/israelpeacegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/20111812130964689.html
Billy
<wildbilly-8416A...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Billy <wild...@withouta.net> wrote:
Sorry, Fran. I really am trying to tighten up on the multiple newsgroups.
Jarbidge
The Arizona government is "racist"?
"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
Really?
Got some proof there sport?
Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
<snip>
Back at ya, coward.
Billy
wrote:
Yeah, they passed a law (SENATE BILL 1070 ) that calls for racial
profiling.
>
> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
? They didn't seem to take a stand on SENATE BILL 1070.
>
> Really?
Uh-huh. Really.
>
> Got some proof there sport?
>
> Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>
>
> > http://wild
>
> <snip>
>
> Back at ya, coward.
Phxbrd
"Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
Without the slightest shred of doubt. We have some of the rottenest asshole
racist politicians in the entire USA. I thought everyone knew that.. Our
stupid governor has made a bad joke of herself all over the world as has our
rotten asshole racist sheriff here in Maricopa County. Who in the world
hasn't heard of ugly Joe Arpaio? Those are just two of the most notorious.
They bring nothing but sahme to our state.
>
> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
I'm not familiar with that particular fishwrap so I can't say.
>
> Really?
>
> Got some proof there sport?
How about 99% of all the national reporting about Arizona for the past ten
years or so - aside from the recent mass shooting in Tucson?
>
> Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
Why would anyone be afraid or upset by a few pieces of trash on the border?
I can show you as much all over desert Arizona.
>
>
>> http://wild
>
> <snip>
>
> Back at ya, coward.
Yeah right.
How many of my cites did you even bother to read since they didn't fit your
obvious agenda?
Jarbidge
The Department of Environmental Quality, really?
Cite?
Oh and these guys too:
http://www.azbordertrash.gov/partners.html
Counties
* Cochise County
o Cochise County Solid Waste Department
* Pima County
o Pima County Department of Environmental Quality (PDEQ), Solid
Waste Management Division
* Santa Cruz County
o Santa Cruz County Public Works
* Yuma County
o Yuma County Public Works, Waste Management
Federal
* U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Region 9
o U.S. EPA U.S.-Mexico Border 2012 Program
* U.S. Indian Health Service
* U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)
* U.S. Forest Service
* U.S. Department of Homeland Security
* U.S. Customs and Border Protection
* U.S. Department of the Interior
* U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
* U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
* U.S. Bureau of Reclamation
* U.S. National Park Service
* U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
* U.S. Geological Survey
Military
* Luke Air Force Base
o Barry M. Goldwater Range
State
* Arizona Department of Environmental Quality (ADEQ)
o ADEQ Office of Border Environmental Protection (OBEP)
* Arizona Department of Agriculture
* Arizona Department of Homeland Security
* Arizona Game and Fish Department
* Arizona State Land Department
* Arizona State Parks
Tribal
* Cocopah Indian Tribe
* Pascua Yaqui Nation
* Quechan Tribe
* Tohono O'odham Nation
They're ALL "racist"?
Do tell...or prove at least.
>>
>> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
> ? They didn't seem to take a stand on SENATE BILL 1070.
>>
>> Really?
> Uh-huh. Really.
Cite?
Proof?
History of public racism?
Yes?
Or No?
Jarbidge
The Department of Environmental Quality is, really???
Got some proof to share?
> We have some of the rottenest
> asshole racist politicians in the entire USA. I thought everyone knew
> that.. Our stupid governor has made a bad joke of herself all over the
> world as has our rotten asshole racist sheriff here in Maricopa County.
> Who in the world hasn't heard of ugly Joe Arpaio? Those are just two of
> the most notorious. They bring nothing but sahme to our state.
Do they generate thousands of pounds of trash per day in the desert too,
or it that just imaginary?
>> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>
>
> I'm not familiar with that particular fishwrap so I can't say.
But you were scared enough of the facts to snip their article.
Hint - like any big city weekly they're pretty far left.
>> Really?
>>
>> Got some proof there sport?
>
>
> How about 99% of all the national reporting about Arizona for the past
> ten years or so - aside from the recent mass shooting in Tucson?
How'd all that trash get out there in the desert?
Did "racists" put it there?
>> Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>
>
> Why would anyone be afraid or upset by a few pieces of trash on the
> border? I can show you as much all over desert Arizona.
No you cant.
Back to the "raw" numbers:
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/trashing-arizona/Content?oid=1168857
Trashing Arizona
Illegal immigrants dump tons of waste in the wilderness every day—and
it's devastating the environment
In 2005, sector agents made an average of 1,205 arrests a day. Last year,
the number was down to 870 daily—which translates to 7,000 pounds of
trash.
But remember: Those who get through outnumber arrests by at least 3-to-1.
So the real figure is probably closer to 21,000 pounds dropped ... every
24 hours.
>>> http://wild
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Back at ya, coward.
>
> Yeah right.
>
> How many of my cites did you even bother to read
I looked at them, but they're sort of irrelevant as the cattle business
is legal, and "illgeals" are not.
> since they didn't fit your obvious agenda?
"Agenda"?
Well you made a weird statement and I refuted it.
That's MY "agenda".
Howard Brazee
>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>
>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>
>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>
>Really?
Worse. They pander to racists.
>Got some proof there sport?
Senate Bill 1070.
>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
what that has done in the past.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Jarbidge
> On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>>
>>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>>
>>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>>
>>Really?
>
> Worse. They pander to racists.
Really?
The residents of Tucson are "racists"?
>>Got some proof there sport?
>
> Senate Bill 1070.
>
>>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>
> I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world, Fundamentalists
> are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen what that has done in
> the past.
Ok...that has precious what to do with illegal alien generated trash in
the border state deserts?
Help me out here.
Phxbrd
"Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
Be glad to.
If you're so almighty fired up about temporary damage supposedly done to the
land why are you not concerned about more permanent damage done by rancher's
cattle? You're coming across here as a one-trick pony, sport. Your racist
agenda is glaringly obvious. We've seen your kind here by the hundreds over
the years.
Jarbidge
> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4d44effb$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:32:14 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>
>>> On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>>>>
>>>>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>>>>
>>>>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>>>>
>>>>Really?
>>>
>>> Worse. They pander to racists.
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> The residents of Tucson are "racists"?
>>
>>>>Got some proof there sport?
>>>
>>> Senate Bill 1070.
>>>
>>>>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>>>
>>> I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
>>> Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
>>> what that has done in the past.
>>
>> Ok...that has precious what to do with illegal alien generated trash in
>> the border state deserts?
>>
>> Help me out here.
>
> Be glad to.
>
> If you're so almighty fired up about temporary damage supposedly done to
> the land
1. Define temporary.
Cattle don't bring in TB and cholera, do they?
> why are you not concerned about more permanent damage done by
> rancher's cattle?
2. Define "more permanent"
A thing is either "permanent or it isn't.
Which is it?
In "your" mind anyway...
> You're coming across here as a one-trick pony, sport.
This was your claim, I just responded,"sport".
So pony up with some facts in rebuttal, or keep flailing.
> Your racist agenda is glaringly obvious.
It is?
Which race did I mention or blame?
Cite?
> We've seen your kind here by the hundreds over the years.
3. Who is "we"?
4.How many years have YOU been trolling here?
FarmI
> On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>>
>>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>>
>>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>>
>>Really?
>
> Worse. They pander to racists.
>
>>Got some proof there sport?
>
> Senate Bill 1070.
I've just been reading about that and it's simply appalling. Any tourist
with a dusky hued skin should steer well clear of Arizona or they could end
up in deep manure.
>>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>
> I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
> Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
> what that has done in the past.
Well It's not just fundies who are givng the US a poor reputation worldwide.
All you have to do is to talk to any international tourist who has been
through a major US airport in the past few years.
Jarbidge
> "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
>> On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>>>
>>>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>>>
>>>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>>>
>>>Really?
>>
>> Worse. They pander to racists.
>>
>>>Got some proof there sport?
>>
>> Senate Bill 1070.
>
> I've just been reading about that and it's simply appalling. Any
> tourist with a dusky hued skin should steer well clear of Arizona or
> they could end up in deep manure.
Unless they had say, a drivers license or passport with them...
>>>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>>
>> I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world, Fundamentalists
>> are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen what that has done
>> in the past.
>
> Well It's not just fundies who are givng the US a poor reputation
> worldwide. All you have to do is to talk to any international tourist
> who has been through a major US airport in the past few years.
Yes, our TSA searches suck.
Then again so do exploding subways in London and trains in Spain.
Billy
wrote:
Which way did you come in?
Billy
wrote:
You asked about the government, not a department. Helloooooo
>
> > We have some of the rottenest
> > asshole racist politicians in the entire USA. I thought everyone knew
> > that.. Our stupid governor has made a bad joke of herself all over the
> > world as has our rotten asshole racist sheriff here in Maricopa County.
> > Who in the world hasn't heard of ugly Joe Arpaio? Those are just two of
> > the most notorious. They bring nothing but sahme to our state.
>
> Do they generate thousands of pounds of trash per day in the desert too,
> or it that just imaginary?
Citation , please. No proof in evidence.
>
> >> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
> >
> >
> > I'm not familiar with that particular fishwrap so I can't say.
>
> But you were scared enough of the facts to snip their article.
>
> Hint - like any big city weekly they're pretty far left.
So, you're saying that they don't support your position, which was
previously, that they did. . . . . . . uh-huh.
I think that we are starting to suffer a crisis of trust here, Jarbidge.
>
> >> Really?
> >>
> >> Got some proof there sport?
> >
> >
> > How about 99% of all the national reporting about Arizona for the past
> > ten years or so - aside from the recent mass shooting in Tucson?
>
> How'd all that trash get out there in the desert?
>
> Did "racists" put it there?
Can you prove that they didn't? Truth is, you can't prove anything, but
you like to run your mouth. You're really Einstinian ( a waste of time
and space).
For a refutation, that was pretty lame. Maybe some prune juice would
help.
Billy
wrote:
The Arizona government passed a law (SENATE BILL 1070 ) that calls for
racial profiling.
>
> Proof?
Are you blind?
>
> History of public racism?
>
> Yes?
>
> Or No?
>
> >>
> >> Got some proof there sport?
Anyone reading this will see what you are doing, sport.
> >>
> >> Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
No, I have them here, and they all seem to say that you are a mean
spirited, sad, little person.
> >>
> >>
> >> > http://wild
and up yours too.
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Back at ya, coward.
Billy
Unfortunately, we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany, filled
with nice people who pay for a killing machine.
Billy
"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote:
Uh, Fran, wait a minute would you? Look at all those destinations under
Newsgroups. Hmmmmm.
Billy
wrote:
Do you carry your papers with you, citizen?? Das ist ein guter Bürger.
Actually, there are many Germans that I like, but you, an American, huh?
not so much.
Billy
wrote:
Cholera? In the middle of a desert??? It is a water bourn disease.
How about control of hanta virus, and swine flu?
Are these people competent?
Citation, please.
>
> > why are you not concerned about more permanent damage done by
> > rancher's cattle?
>
> 2. Define "more permanent"
>
> A thing is either "permanent or it isn't.
>
> Which is it?
You ask it, and you define it? Are we talking the orbital time of a
hydrogen electron around the nucleus, or geological time?
>
> In "your" mind anyway...
At least he has a place to go.
>
> > You're coming across here as a one-trick pony, sport.
>
> This was your claim, I just responded,"sport".
Pretty lame response, sport.
>
> So pony up with some facts in rebuttal, or keep flailing.
>
> > Your racist agenda is glaringly obvious.
>
> It is?
Well, if a perfect stranger says that your a racist, that's good enough
for me. Your sort always pisses me off (pre-Cambrian).
>
> Which race did I mention or blame?
>
> Cite?
Cute :O)
>
> > We've seen your kind here by the hundreds over the years.
>
> 3. Who is "we"?
Decent people.
>
> 4.How many years have YOU been trolling here?
It just seems like years, I'm sure.
Barack Hussein Bohica
Seems like bear traps and land mines might be a deterrent. Or at
least give the local wildlife some fresh meat to gnaw on.
Barack Hussein Bohica
>Why would anyone be afraid or upset by a few pieces of trash on the border?
>I can show you as much all over desert Arizona.
The problem is that the more-than-a-few pieces of trash keep moving
north after crossing the border.
Jarbidge
> In article <4d44effb$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:32:14 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>
>> > On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>> >>
>> >>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>> >>
>> >>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>> >>
>> >>Really?
>> >
>> > Worse. They pander to racists.
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> The residents of Tucson are "racists"?
>>
>> >>Got some proof there sport?
>> >
>> > Senate Bill 1070.
>> >
>> >>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>> >
>> > I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
>> > Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
>> > what that has done in the past.
>>
>> Ok...that has precious what to do with illegal alien generated trash in
>> the border state deserts?
>>
>> Help me out here.
>
> Which way did you come in?
Plonk.
Jarbidge
Read the cites provided.
>>
>> >> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm not familiar with that particular fishwrap so I can't say.
>>
>> But you were scared enough of the facts to snip their article.
>>
>> Hint - like any big city weekly they're pretty far left.
> So, you're saying that they don't support your position, which was
> previously, that they did. . . . . . . uh-huh.
No, I simply described their editorial slant.
Oddly this article was quite unslanted.
> I think that we are starting to suffer a crisis of trust here, Jarbidge.
I think you are inherently dishonest.
>>
>> >> Really?
>> >>
>> >> Got some proof there sport?
>> >
>> >
>> > How about 99% of all the national reporting about Arizona for the
>> > past ten years or so - aside from the recent mass shooting in Tucson?
>>
>> How'd all that trash get out there in the desert?
>>
>> Did "racists" put it there?
> Can you prove that they didn't?
Yes, I can.
> Truth is, you can't prove anything, but
> you like to run your mouth. You're really Einstinian ( a waste of time
> and space).
You have offered nothing more than ludicrous denials and obfuscations,
you are nuts.
I have no need to refute that which does not exist.
> Maybe some prune juice would help.
Plonk.
Jarbidge
> you are a mean
> spirited, sad, little person.
Plonk.
Jarbidge
> we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany,
Godwins law.
Plonk.
Jarbidge
Godwins law.
Plonk.
Jarbidge
Yes.
> It is a water bourn disease.
Yes, Mexico is known for poor sanitation.
> How
> about control of hanta virus, and swine flu? Are these people competent?
Non sequitor.
> Citation, please.
Plonk.
Plonk.
Billy
Barack Hussein Bohica <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> Seems like bear traps and land mines might be a deterrent. Or at
> least give the local wildlife some fresh meat to gnaw on.
Shouldn't you be watching the Sunday morning cartoons, instead of
bothering the adults?
Billy
Do you carry your papers with you, citizen?? Das ist ein guter Burger.
Phxbrd
"Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
Racist filth are not welcome here. Here's your *PLONK*
Jarbidge
Plonk.
Billy
wrote:
You dodged this one, because you know that temporary is subjective.
> >>
> >> Cattle don't bring in TB and cholera, do they?
> > Cholera? In the middle of a desert???
>
> Yes.
>
> > It is a water bourn disease.
>
> Yes, Mexico is known for poor sanitation.
Still gotta have water and a vector.
>
> > How
> > about control of hanta virus, and swine flu? Are these people competent?
>
> Non sequitor.
So you only obsess about TB and cholera, but not hanta, and swine flu.
Why is that, since you have a better chance of contracting them.
>
> > Citation, please.
>
> Plonk.
You should have your head examined. It's making noises.
>
> >>
> >> > why are you not concerned about more permanent damage done by
> >> > rancher's cattle?
> >>
> >> 2. Define "more permanent"
> >>
> >> A thing is either "permanent or it isn't.
Till the end of time? With that definition, the Earth is temporary.
> >>
> >> Which is it?
> > You ask it, and you define it? Are we talking the orbital time of a
> > hydrogen electron around the nucleus, or geological time?
> >>
> >> In "your" mind anyway...
> >
> > At least he has a place to go.
> >
> >
> >> > You're coming across here as a one-trick pony, sport.
> >>
> >> This was your claim, I just responded,"sport".
> >
> > Pretty lame response, sport.
Your the one who made the assertion, but now you say you have no proof?
Pretty lame, sport.
> >>
> >> So pony up with some facts in rebuttal, or keep flailing.
> >>
> >> > Your racist agenda is glaringly obvious.
> >>
> >> It is?
> > Well, if a perfect stranger says that your a racist, that's good enough
> > for me. Your sort always pisses me off (pre-Cambrian).
> >>
> >> Which race did I mention or blame?
> >>
> >> Cite?
You seem to think that Mexicans are uniquely litterers.
> > Cute :O)
> >>
> >> > We've seen your kind here by the hundreds over the years.
> >>
> >> 3. Who is "we"?
> > Decent people.
> >>
> >> 4.How many years have YOU been trolling here?
> > It just seems like years, I'm sure.
>
> Plonk.
Really should get your head checked.
Billy
wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:17:36 -0800, Billy wrote:
>
> > In article <4d44faa3$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:40:48 +1100, FarmI wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
> >> >> On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The Arizona government is "racist"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Really?
> >> >>
> >> >> Worse. They pander to racists.
> >> >>
> >> >>>Got some proof there sport?
> >> >>
> >> >> Senate Bill 1070.
> >> >
> >> > I've just been reading about that and it's simply appalling. Any
> >> > tourist with a dusky hued skin should steer well clear of Arizona or
> >> > they could end up in deep manure.
> >>
> >> Unless they had say, a drivers license or passport with them...
You take your drivers license and passport with you everywhere citizen?
> >>
> >> >>>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
> >> >> Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
> >> >> what that has done in the past.
> >> >
> >> > Well It's not just fundies who are givng the US a poor reputation
> >> > worldwide. All you have to do is to talk to any international tourist
> >> > who has been through a major US airport in the past few years.
> >>
> >> Yes, our TSA searches suck.
> >>
> >> Then again so do exploding subways in London and trains in Spain.
> > Do you carry your papers with you, citizen?? Das ist ein guter Bürger.
>
> Godwins law.
Oh, I see you're use to being called a Nazi. Why would that be?
>
> Plonk.
Check out that noise in your head before your nose falls off.
Billy
wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:11:12 -0800, Billy wrote:
>
> > we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany,
>
> Godwins law.
New toy?
>
> Plonk.
That sound is happening more often. You really need to have it looked at.
Billy
wrote:
You provided cite? That would be a first. Are they all as good as the
one below?
>
> >>
> >> >> "Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm not familiar with that particular fishwrap so I can't say.
> >>
> >> But you were scared enough of the facts to snip their article.
> >>
> >> Hint - like any big city weekly they're pretty far left.
So, you're saying that they don't support your position, which was
previously, that they did. . . . . . . uh-huh.
>
> No, I simply described their editorial slant.
They didn't support you either.
>
> Oddly this article was quite unslanted.
>
> > I think that we are starting to suffer a crisis of trust here, Jarbidge.
>
> I think you are inherently dishonest.
You say you offer proof, when in fact you don't.
>
> >>
> >> >> Really?
> >> >>
> >> >> Got some proof there sport?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How about 99% of all the national reporting about Arizona for the
> >> > past ten years or so - aside from the recent mass shooting in Tucson?
> >>
> >> How'd all that trash get out there in the desert?
> >>
> >> Did "racists" put it there?
> > Can you prove that they didn't?
>
> Yes, I can.
Well, do it then.
>
> > Truth is, you can't prove anything, but
> > you like to run your mouth. You're really Einstinian ( a waste of time
> > and space).
>
> You have offered nothing more than ludicrous denials and obfuscations,
> you are nuts.
Because I'm trying to get you to offer collaborative proof for your
rascist statements, when all you seem to be able to type is Godwin's
Law, and PLONK? Really, get that looked at.
>
> >>
> >> >> Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Why would anyone be afraid or upset by a few pieces of trash on the
> >> > border? I can show you as much all over desert Arizona.
> >>
> >> No you cant.
> >>
> >> Back to the "raw" numbers:
> >>
> >> http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/trashing-arizona/Content?oid=1168857
Article written by Leo Banks who seems to have made a career out of
sensationalizing the border, with little proof to show, just like you.
This doesn't show that it is, or is only Mexicans who are littering in
the desert.
(Cue up "Alice's Restaurant")
> >>
> >> Trashing Arizona
> >> Illegal immigrants dump tons of waste in the wilderness every day—and
> >> it's devastating the environment
And the proof is . . . . . ?
> >>
> >> In 2005, sector agents made an average of 1,205 arrests a day. Last
> >> year, the number was down to 870 daily—which translates to 7,000 pounds
> >> of trash.
Figures that you would be good with trash. Do they have wild life
cameras to record who is dumping the trash?
> >>
> >> But remember: Those who get through outnumber arrests by at least
> >> 3-to-1. So the real figure is probably closer to 21,000 pounds dropped
> >> ... every 24 hours.
Probably? You do realize, don't you, that a qualified statement is
worthless?
> >>
> >> >>> http://wild
Cite is up to your normal standards. (Crap)
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> Back at ya, coward.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah right.
> >> >
> >> > How many of my cites did you even bother to read
> >>
> >> I looked at them, but they're sort of irrelevant as the cattle business
> >> is legal, and "illgeals" are not.
> >>
> >> > since they didn't fit your obvious agenda?
> >>
> >> "Agenda"?
> >>
> >> Well you made a weird statement and I refuted it.
> >>
> >> That's MY "agenda".
> >
> > For a refutation, that was pretty lame.
>
> I have no need to refute that which does not exist.
So you didn't refute the weird statement that you say yo refuted?
>
Maybe a lot of prune juice would help.
>
> Plonk.
You may have broken a brain mount. You're not making any sense.
Billy
wrote:
Don't go on night patrols. That sound will give you away.
Jarbidge
How many humans are able to pas Hantavirus through communication.
Swine flue, or any flu, is vaccine treatable.
> Why is that, since you have a better chance of contracting them.
Non sequitor.
I also have a better chance of being hit by lightning, you dolt.
>>
>> > Citation, please.
>>
>> Plonk.
> You should have your head examined. It's making noises.
You're a consummate moron.
>>
>>
>> >> > why are you not concerned about more permanent damage done by
>> >> > rancher's cattle?
>> >>
>> >> 2. Define "more permanent"
>> >>
>> >> A thing is either "permanent or it isn't.
> Till the end of time? With that definition, the Earth is temporary.
>> >>
>> >> Which is it?
>> > You ask it, and you define it? Are we talking the orbital time of a
>> > hydrogen electron around the nucleus, or geological time?
>> >>
>> >> In "your" mind anyway...
>> >
>> > At least he has a place to go.
>> >
>> >
>> >> > You're coming across here as a one-trick pony, sport.
>> >>
>> >> This was your claim, I just responded,"sport".
>> >
>> > Pretty lame response, sport.
> Your the one who made the assertion, but now you say you have no proof?
> Pretty lame, sport.
You're in a loop, dolt.
>> >>
>> >> So pony up with some facts in rebuttal, or keep flailing.
>> >>
>> >> > Your racist agenda is glaringly obvious.
>> >>
>> >> It is?
>> > Well, if a perfect stranger says that your a racist, that's good
>> > enough for me. Your sort always pisses me off (pre-Cambrian).
>> >>
>> >> Which race did I mention or blame?
>> >>
>> >> Cite?
> You seem to think that Mexicans are uniquely litterers.
>> > Cute :O)
>> >>
>> >> > We've seen your kind here by the hundreds over the years.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Who is "we"?
>> > Decent people.
>> >>
>> >> 4.How many years have YOU been trolling here?
>> > It just seems like years, I'm sure.
>>
>> Plonk.
> Really should get your head checked.
Take your own advice, nutcase.
Jarbidge
No, you're far too deluded to see a thing.
Re-Plonk.
Jarbidge
> In article <4d45a4b1$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:11:12 -0800, Billy wrote:
>>
>> > we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany,
>>
>> Godwins law.
> New toy?
>>
>> Plonk.
> That sound is happening more often. You really need to have it looked
> at.
RePlonk.
Jarbidge
Plonk.
Jarbidge
Drop dead.
FarmI
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote:
>> Well It's not just fundies who are givng the US a poor reputation
>> worldwide.
>> All you have to do is to talk to any international tourist who has been
>> through a major US airport in the past few years.
>
> Uh, Fran, wait a minute would you? Look at all those destinations under
> Newsgroups. Hmmmmm.
;-))) Yeah I noticed. But this post did not appear in the one group where
crossposts are never answered by the psoters there and no-one there
recognises any of the names of the posters. IOW, the crossposters are
trolling that group.
FarmI
<ask@itshall be given> wrote:
>> > I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
>> > Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
>> > what that has done in the past.
>>
>> Well It's not just fundies who are givng the US a poor reputation
>> worldwide.
>> All you have to do is to talk to any international tourist who has been
>> through a major US airport in the past few years.
>
> Unfortunately, we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany, filled
> with nice people who pay for a killing machine.
Well I case it's acase of fear winning out over common sense. You, me and
most others here are far more likely to be killed in a vehicular accident
than by any terrorist. Unfortunatley there is always some dopy soul around
who will get all hysterical terrorists without engaging their brains to do
even the most basic form of analysis.
FarmI
news:23nak6l93ii2urb4u...@4ax.com...
There is an obvious response about various forms of trash and where they
might locate themselves, but I'll refrain.
Jarbidge
Have you ever been down TO the border to see what things kook like?
FarmI
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:34:26 -0800, Billy wrote:
> Plonk.
You've plonked Billy 6 times. What sort of software are you running to need
to do it 6 times to make it stick?
Jarbidge
Consider it a figurative plonking, something to demonstrate precisely how
useless he is in a discussion. And useless he is, in spades.
I do reserve the option to bounce a few soccer balls off his flat and
empty head as the spirit moves me.
You a friend of his then?
FarmI
You've supposedly plonked Billy and plonked him 6 times. Just what is that
non-functional software you're running?
Jarbidge
Software has nothing to do with it, troll, go clip your toenails.
Billy
"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote:
It's really the fault of our rote-memory education(?) system. People
aren't taught to think critically. As long as you can remember that the
Battle of Hastings (1066), Boston Massacre (March 5, 1770), United
States Declaration of Independence (1776), Battle of Gettysburg (July
1�3, 1863), Dec. 7, 1941, A^2 X B^2 = C^2, ionizing radiation, and an
adverb modifies a verb you'll have a chance at getting the hell out of
school. What we do is beat the curiosity out of our kids, and when they
get out of school, they rarely pick up another book.
This modest little person, has much to be modest about. But his lack of
education is squarely the fault of our educational system. I'm sorry,
man.
Billy
WE attack people everyday, with our wars and without. People have died
today for the profits to feed our military-industrial complex, which
goes to pay their investors, which includes the top 1%. We don't know
that our food comes from killing cute little animals, or that we use a
meat grinder to make profits for American(?) companies.
There are an exceedingly small, approaching non-existent, number of
terrorist actions that have taken place in California, unless you
include wire-tapping of everyone by the FBI, threats against liberal
politicians, arrests of demonstration organizers (Pro-Palestinian), or
shootings of unarmed black men.
The prisons are already built for us.
<http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-homeland-security
-contracts-kbr-to-build-detention-centers-in-the-us/>
14. Homeland Security Contracts KBR to Build Detention Centers in the US
IN TOP 25 CENSORED STORIES FOR 2007
So, anyway, it won't be a herky-jerk affair when they come for us.
I bet it's set off by an assassination. We are big on spectacle here.
Remember "Mission Accomplished", or "Jessica Lynch", or the Big one, the
"Twin Towers"? We'll definitively will need a narrative.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didnąt speak up because I was a Protestant.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Pastor Martin Niemöller (18921984), January 6, 1946 speech before
representatives of the Confessing Church in Frankfurt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niemöller
Billy
wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:34:34 -0800, Billy wrote:
>
> > In article <4d45a4b1$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:11:12 -0800, Billy wrote:
> >>
> >> > we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany,
> >>
> >> Godwins law.
> > New toy?
> >>
> >> Plonk.
> > That sound is happening more often. You really need to have it looked
> > at.
>
> RePlonk.
So no question of addressing the question about the garbage in the
desert. This is Arizona desert, right? Is your brain still working?
Hellloooooo.
Billy
wrote:
<whack>
> >> >> Yes, our TSA searches suck.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then again so do exploding subways in London and trains in Spain.
> >> > Do you carry your papers with you, citizen?? Das ist ein guter
> >> > Bürger.
> >>
> >> Godwins law.
> > Oh, I see
>
> No, you're far too deluded to see a thing.
>
> Re-Plonk.
Ah, that noise in your head is getting louder. People are starting to
stare.
Billy
wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:28:42 -0800, Billy wrote:
> >> >> 1. Define temporary.
> > You dodged this one, because you know that temporary is subjective.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cattle don't bring in TB and cholera, do they?
> >> > Cholera? In the middle of a desert???
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> > It is a water bourn disease.
> >>
> >> Yes, Mexico is known for poor sanitation.
> > Still gotta have water and a vector.
> >>
> >> > How
> >> > about control of hanta virus, and swine flu? Are these people
> >> > competent?
> >>
> >> Non sequitor.
> > So you only obsess about TB and cholera, but not hanta, and swine flu.
>
> How many humans are able to pas Hantavirus through communication.
No one knows the source of trasmission, but your rats have it.
>
> Swine flue, or any flu, is vaccine treatable.
You vaccinated? Do you know that the problem with viruses is that they
mutate, and find a way around your defenses.
>
> > Why is that, since you have a better chance of contracting them.
>
> Non sequitor.
>
> I also have a better chance of being hit by lightning, you dolt.
Which is better than catching cholera from shaking hands with a cholera
patient.
>
> >>
<whack>
Billy
He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I
know.
Billy
wrote:
Farm1, I think we have hit a dry hole. There is nothing of interest in
this loud mouth. Ignorant and rude, a regrettable combination.
Phxbrd
"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
news:4d461e2d$0$13393$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
It's the same poor white trash response that we saw so much in the civil
rights struggles of the 60's. It's the ones on the lowest rungs of our
social ladder who most fear persons they see as competition - mostly for
government welfare assistance.
Jarbidge
> So, anyway, it won't be a herky-jerk affair when they come for us. I
> bet it's set off by an assassination.
I've always wondered, how is it being a paranoid k00k?
Do you sleep well?
Jarbidge
> In article <4d46...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:34:34 -0800, Billy wrote:
>>
>> > In article <4d45a4b1$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge
>> > <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:11:12 -0800, Billy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany,
>> >>
>> >> Godwins law.
>> > New toy?
>> >>
>> >> Plonk.
>> > That sound is happening more often. You really need to have it looked
>> > at.
>>
>> RePlonk.
>
> So no question of addressing the question about the garbage in the
> desert.
No, you never did, k00k.
Replonk.
Jarbidge
> In article <4d460dc2$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:28:42 -0800, Billy wrote:
>> >> >> 1. Define temporary.
>> > You dodged this one, because you know that temporary is subjective.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cattle don't bring in TB and cholera, do they?
>> >> > Cholera? In the middle of a desert???
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >>
>> >> > It is a water bourn disease.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, Mexico is known for poor sanitation.
>> > Still gotta have water and a vector.
>> >>
>> >> > How
>> >> > about control of hanta virus, and swine flu? Are these people
>> >> > competent?
>> >>
>> >> Non sequitor.
>> > So you only obsess about TB and cholera, but not hanta, and swine
>> > flu.
>>
>> How many humans are able to pas Hantavirus through communication.
> No one knows the source of trasmission, but your rats have it.
Mice too actually, but why try for total accuracy at this stage of your
k00kery...
And, oddly enough, they are natural legal denizens of the southwest,
unlike illegal immigrants.
>>
>> Swine flue, or any flu, is vaccine treatable.
> You vaccinated? Do you know that the problem with viruses is that they
> mutate, and find a way around your defenses.
Non sequitor.
Is there a US cholera vaccine widely avialble?
No.
Ta.
Jarbidge
I am certain that one of you has the astroglide to cope with that....
Jarbidge
Do educate us please, how DID all that garbage get out in the remote ares
of our southwestern deserts?
Billy
wrote:
It is interesting that you are ready to put up gun towers to stop
littering, cheap agricultural labor, inexpensive house keeping and baby
sitting, or gardening, but you show no curiosity as to why people would
risk their lives to come to the U.S. You don't look at the causes of the
migration, and specifically what you may have done to cause it.
Our elected representatives voted for NAFTA in 1994, today more than 50
million Mexicans, or 47.4% of the entire Mexican population, are
drowning in poverty. Honest, hard working, Mexican farmers have to
compete with American, tax-payer subsidize grains and cotton, which are
sold for less than the cost of production.
Apparently, you are pissed-off, because Mexicans don't just stay home
and watch their families starve to death.
Neo-liberal economics is the enemy of 90% of the population of the world.
Billy
wrote:
> Ta -
Dumb
What is the treatment for cholera?
Cholera can be simply and successfully treated by immediate replacement
of the fluid and salts lost through diarrhea. Patients can be treated
with oral rehydration solution, a prepackaged mixture of sugar and salts
to be mixed with water and drunk in large amounts. This solution is used
throughout the world to treat diarrhea. Severe cases also require
intravenous fluid replacement. With prompt rehydration, fewer than 1% of
cholera patients die.
Antibiotics shorten the course and diminish the severity of the illness,
but they are not as important as receiving rehydration. Persons who
develop severe diarrhea and vomiting in countries where cholera occurs
should seek medical attention promptly.
Billy
wrote:
People have migrated back and forth through this area for centuries,
long before we placed our arbitrary border there, following the theft of
half of Mexico.
>
> >>
> >> Swine flue, or any flu, is vaccine treatable.
> > You vaccinated? Do you know that the problem with viruses is that they
> > mutate, and find a way around your defenses.
>
> Non sequitor.
>
> Is there a US cholera vaccine widely avialble?
>
> No.
>
> Ta - dumb
Billy
wrote:
> I've always wondered, how is it being a paranoid k00k?
And now you know ;O)
FarmI
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:30:03 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4d45a519$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:34:26 -0800, Billy wrote:
>> (snip)
>>
>>> Plonk.
>>
>> You've plonked Billy 6 times. What sort of software are you running to
>> need to do it 6 times to make it stick?
>
> Consider it a figurative plonking,
Now that is first, even for usenet..........................
FarmI
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>>> The problem is that the more-than-a-few pieces of trash keep moving
>>> north after crossing the border.
>>
>> There is an obvious response about various forms of trash and where they
>> might locate themselves, but I'll refrain.
>>
>
> It's the same poor white trash response that we saw so much in the civil
> rights struggles of the 60's. It's the ones on the lowest rungs of our
> social ladder who most fear persons they see as competition - mostly for
> government welfare assistance.
Well not knowing what your nation puts in that class, I couldn't comment,
but we have a similar phenomenon here and I wouldn't call those people
trash. I'd just say they were manipulated/brainwashed/blinkered of a few
other expressions to imply they didnt' bother thinking or even wondering.
When you get in a conversation with them about lack of opportunities and
survival and ask what they'd do to protect and nurture their own families,
they admit they'd be doing the exact same thing.
And in fact because there have now been a number of boat disasters and mass
drownings in order to get here, it doesn't take quite as much effort to get
these people to use their heads as it once did.
Jarbidge
> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:30:03 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>>> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:4d45a519$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:34:26 -0800, Billy wrote:
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>> Plonk.
>>>
>>> You've plonked Billy 6 times. What sort of software are you running
>>> to need to do it 6 times to make it stick?
>>
>> Consider it a figurative plonking,
>
> Now that is first, even for usenet..........................
I know, I know....generally folks nominally "plonk" here, with some
ferocious emotive force, then come skulking back and use a sock to run
the thread string out.
Does this mean I get the honor of being the first adjectival plonker?
The Chief Instigator
What can you expect from some anonymous coward who could be a bit more
truthful if he'd revise his chosen identity to "Garbidge"?
--
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(http://www.io.com/~patrick) AA #2237
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The Chief Instigator
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:14:12 -0700, Phxbrd wrote:
>
>> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:42:33 -0800, Billy wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <4d44effb$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:32:14 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 30 Jan 2011 00:52:56 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> Racist babbling deleted in the name of honesty and good taste.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>The Arizona government is "racist"?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>"Tucson Weekly" is "racist"?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Really?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Worse. They pander to racists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> The residents of Tucson are "racists"?
>>>>>
>>>>> >>Got some proof there sport?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Senate Bill 1070.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Or are you just scared to death of the facts.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am pretty scared of these facts. Around the world,
>>>>> > Fundamentalists are spreading the message of hatred. We've seen
>>>>> > what that has done in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok...that has precious what to do with illegal alien generated trash
>>>>> in the border state deserts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Help me out here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Plonk.
>>
>> Racist filth
>
> Plonk.
Why don't you just plonk everyone, Garbidge?
The Chief Instigator
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:11:12 -0800, Billy wrote:
>
>> we are the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany,
>
> Godwins law.
>
...and you're still full of your swill to promote it, Garbidge.
The Chief Instigator
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:27:54 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>
>> "Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:34:58 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why would anyone be afraid or upset by a few pieces of trash on the
>>>>border?
>>>>I can show you as much all over desert Arizona.
>>>
>>> north after crossing the border.
>>
>> There is an obvious response about various forms of trash and where they
>> might locate themselves, but I'll refrain.
>
Well, Garbidge, stay well clear of Texas...and no visits on April 21st.
Jarbidge
> On 31 Jan 2011 03:30:06 +0100, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:27:54 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>>
>>> "Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in
>>> message news:23nak6l93ii2urb4u...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:34:58 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>>>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Why would anyone be afraid or upset by a few pieces of trash on the
>>>>>border?
>>>>>I can show you as much all over desert Arizona.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that the more-than-a-few pieces of trash keep moving
>>>> north after crossing the border.
>>>
>>> There is an obvious response about various forms of trash and where
>>> they might locate themselves, but I'll refrain.
>>
>> Have you ever been down TO the border to see what things kook like?
>
> Well, Garbidge, stay well clear of Texas...and no visits on April 21st.
A clue for you.
I will go where and when I please.
Cope.
Billy
wrote:
Learn the language, nitwit. The way you use "plonk", that would be
"adverbial" plonker. On the other hand, if you were a glass of wine, you
would be plonk. The way that I use plonk, would refer to the noise that
comes from your head. You can go to recess now.
Jarbidge
> In article <4d47a163$1...@news.x-privat.org>, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:47:25 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>>
>> > "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:30:03 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>> >>> "Jarbidge" <c...@neva.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>> news:4d45a519$1...@news.x-privat.org...
>> >>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:34:26 -0800, Billy wrote:
>> >>> (snip)
>> >>>
>> >>>> Plonk.
>> >>>
>> >>> You've plonked Billy 6 times. What sort of software are you
>> >>> running to need to do it 6 times to make it stick?
>> >>
>> >> Consider it a figurative plonking,
>> >
>> > Now that is first, even for usenet..........................
>>
>> I know, I know....generally folks nominally "plonk" here, with some
>> ferocious emotive force, then come skulking back and use a sock to run
>> the thread string out.
>>
>> Does this mean I get the honor of being the first adjectival plonker?
>
> Learn the language, nitwit. The way you use "plonk", that would be
> "adverbial" plonker.
No...an adverbial plonker would be something that modifies the plonking,
itself as in "swiftly plonked".
So, it's some other virtuality I'm aiming for here.
> On the other hand, if you were a glass of wine, you
> would be plonk.
Plonk as a noun, yes.
> The way that I use plonk, would refer to the noise that
> comes from your head.
But how YOU use it is not under consideration here.
> You can go to recess now.
I think I grasp why your act is so juvenile now.
Billy
wrote:
That Jarb, he can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any
man I know.
Jarbidge
Just keeping it on your level, sport.
Billy
wrote:
Let's see if you can get that high. Why can't the United States change
its abusive agricultural policies that drive Mexican farmers off the
land? How do you know that it is immigrants that are doing all the
littering, except for one dubious reporter? Why are you worked up over
nickel and dime crimes when the entire country has be ripped of for
trillion$, and your share of the national debt is $36,676? The defense
(LOL) budget was $623 billion in 2008, the next closest was China with a
budget of $65 billion. How about budget that is only 5 times as large
as China's instead of 10 times as large?
Jarbidge
No thanks, I prefer sobriety.
> Why can't the United States change
> its abusive agricultural policies that drive Mexican farmers off the
> land?
Huh?
> How do you know that it is immigrants that are doing all the
> littering,
READ THE DAMNED CITES, MORON!
PLONK.
Billy
wrote:
I read the damn cites, moron! Do you have a picture of immigrants
dumping trash. Why do they only pick a few places? No Anglos dumps
trash? Don't you have better things to get worked up over? You know,
Germany didn't send their jobs overseas, and they have the 4th largest
economy in the world. Why can't your government be that smart?
So that's your response, nuthin'. I should have guessed.
Jarbidge
Oh good, you intellectually mordant MORON!
> Do you have a picture of immigrants
> dumping trash.
OMG...are you for real????
> Why do they only pick a few places?
They pick convenient travel routes that are geographically isolated
because they do not want to be apprehended, duh!
> No Anglos dumps trash?
Water jug bottles, diapers, and clothing, no, generally not.
There are places however where you can find them dumping old washers,
driers, and cars.
> Don't you have better things to get worked up over?
Don't you have other lies to peddle?
> You know, Germany didn't send their jobs overseas,
Oh snap, the non sequitor launch....
> and they have the 4th largest economy in the world.
And a massive Muslim immigration problem to go with it...
> Why can't your government be that smart?
Why can't you admit we DO have an illegal immigration problem?
> So that's your response, nuthin'. I should have guessed.
It is my unvarnished opinion that you are one of the stupidest and most
mendacious trolls in this medium.
Oddly, you seem completely at ease with making a laughing stock of
yourself in the process.
The explanation of mental illness comes to mind, for now.
Billy
wrote:
So what is your proof then?
>
> > Why do they only pick a few places?
>
> They pick convenient travel routes that are geographically isolated
> because they do not want to be apprehended, duh!
You would think that the entire trail would be littered then, not just a
few favored dumps.
>
> > No Anglos dumps trash?
>
> Water jug bottles, diapers, and clothing, no, generally not.
Anglos don't drink water in the desert? Anglos carry dirty diapers with
them?
>
> There are places however where you can find them dumping old washers,
> driers, and cars.
Maybe water jug bottles, diapers, and clothing is just "gateway" trash
that leads to "hard" trash ;O)
>
> > Don't you have better things to get worked up over?
>
> Don't you have other lies to peddle?
Pointing out that dividing the slaves against each other is an old
"masters" trick. The more time worried about the bread crumb sins of
illegal immigration the less time is spent on the neo-liberals who
caused the economic disaster than we are in by deregulating investment
banking, and who refuse any interference with "free-market" capitalism,
even from democracy. You refuse to accept that the U.S. is complicit in
making these people jobless. The undocumented MAY cause us a few
$billion, but when placed next to the trillion$ in damage done by
Paulson, Summers, and Bernanke that is chump change.
>
> > You know, Germany didn't send their jobs overseas,
>
> Oh snap, the non sequitor launch....
Except people, like you, say that besides littering, the undocumented
take our jobs. If we still had good factory jobs, we wouldn't care where
our gardener, or field worker came from.
>
> > and they have the 4th largest economy in the world.
>
> And a massive Muslim immigration problem to go with it...
They are too far from Mexico for braceros, so they settled for gäst
arbeiters from Turkey. The Spanish get their guest workers from North
Africa. In all these instances the money moved North as the WTO, IMF,
and the World Bank have imposed Structural Adjustment Programs leaving
the previous colony even more impoverished. The workers are just
following the money.
>
> > Why can't your government be that smart?
>
> Why can't you admit we DO have an illegal immigration problem?
I admit we have an immigration problem, BUT it is a minor problem
compared to the voracious menace of Wall St., the military-industrial
complex, and the top 1%ers.
Why are you worked up over nickel and dime crimes when the entire
country has be ripped of for trillion$, and your share of the national
debt is $36,676? The defense (LOL) budget was $623 billion in 2008, the
next closest was China with a budget of $65 billion. How about budget
that is only 5 times as large as China's instead of 10 times as large?
>
> > So that's your response, nuthin'. I should have guessed.
>
> It is my unvarnished opinion that you are one of the stupidest and most
> mendacious trolls in this medium.
Varnished or not, your opinion seems to be of little value.
>
> Oddly, you seem completely at ease with making a laughing stock of
> yourself in the process.
>
> The explanation of mental illness comes to mind, for now.
Hold on to that thought, self-knowledge is a wonderful thing. I wish you
luck with that.
Jarbidge
READ THE CITES, moron.
The Chief Instigator
No problem...April 21st will be the 175th anniversary of the battle that
produced the Republic of Texas, and the neighborhood's changed quite a bit
since then. (I was at San Jacinto on the 1986 sesquicentennial.)
Jarbidge
Why do I need to know this?