Contractors in Cork, Ireland, were expected to each listen to more than 1,000 recordings from Siri every shift - without Apple users' knowledge.

[A. G. Holder]

FACTS:
o Contractors in Cork, Ireland, were expected to each listen to more than 1,000 recordings from Siri every shift - without Apple users' knowledge.
<https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/apple-contractors-listened-to-1000-siri-recordings-per-shift-says-former-employee-945575.html>

Verbatim:
"Human third-party contractors worldwide were carrying out the work
on behalf of the tech-giant *without Apple usersó knowledge*"

"*We were not allowed to say we worked for Apple*"

"I could see why people would feel it was a breach of privacy
because *they [i.e., Apple] werenót telling people*"

"I think *the lack of consent was the issue*"

"My colleagues are mostly young people from Cork who now have no job"

"There are fears that more than 300 contractors in Cork working on
transcription and grading projects for Apple were let go this week;
However, Globetech and *Apple have _refused_ to comment* on how many staff
members are affected or on the nature of their work."

Verbatim:

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-24 9:10 p.m., A. G. Holder wrote:
> FACTS: o Contractors in Cork, Ireland, were expected to each listen
> to more than 1,000 recordings from Siri every shift - without Apple
> users' knowledge.
> <https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/apple-contractors-listened-to-1000-siri-recordings-per-shift-says-former-employee-945575.html>
>
> Verbatim: "Human third-party contractors worldwide were carrying out

> the work on behalf of the tech-giant *without Apple users¢

> knowledge*"
>
> "*We were not allowed to say we worked for Apple*"
>
> "I could see why people would feel it was a breach of privacy because

> *they [i.e., Apple] weren¢t telling people*"

>
> "I think *the lack of consent was the issue*"
>
> "My colleagues are mostly young people from Cork who now have no
> job"
>
> "There are fears that more than 300 contractors in Cork working on
> transcription and grading projects for Apple were let go this week;
> However, Globetech and *Apple have _refused_ to comment* on how many
> staff members are affected or on the nature of their work."
>
> Verbatim:
>

And?

[Rod Speed]

"A. G. Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message
news:qjt1mo$if3$1...@news.mixmin.net...

> FACTS:
> o Contractors in Cork, Ireland, were expected to each listen to more than
> 1,000 recordings from Siri every shift - without Apple users' knowledge.
> <https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/apple-contractors-listened-to-1000-siri-recordings-per-shift-says-former-employee-945575.html>

But with siri there is no way to identify the individual, so that’s no big
deal.

[A. H. Trolder]

They starved my mouth and they rattled my brain
Too much hunger drives a troll insane
You fed me well, oh that is swell
Goodness gracious, great balls of fire!

I used to care 'cause I could not relate
You came along and you swallowed my bait
I've changed my mind, this trolling's fine
Goodness gracious, great balls of fire!

[A. H. Trolder]

They starved my mouth and they rattled my brain
Too much hunger drives a troll insane
You fed me well, oh that is swell
Goodness gracious, great balls of fire!

I used to care 'cause I could not relate
You came along and you swallowed my bait
I've changed my mind, this trolling's fine
Goodness gracious, great balls of fire!

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 14:39:33 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> But with siri there is no way to identify the individual, so that┬ no big
> deal.

Hi Rod Speed,

FACTS:
Assuming you wish to converse as an adult, let's point out actual
documented facts before you jump to that wholly unwarranted imnaginary
conclusion based on either a lack of facts or based on Apple MARKETING
(same thing).

To discuss this like adults, you have to understand adult topics, e.g.,
o Apple Marketing "says" what you said; but the facts prove otherwise...

Notice - it's a wholly imaginary belief that you can't be identified.
o Apple MARKETING wants you to _think_ that; but the facts prove otherwise.

FACTS:
o They saved the PRECISE GEOLOCATION & TIME stamps with EVERY recording.

So, yet again, Apple lied.
o Apple, the facts show, is not only no more private than anyone else,
o And, Apple, the facts show, lied on their written privacy policy, but,
o The facts clearly show Apple brazenly lied about precise identification!

The facts clearly show Apple lied.

However, lots of companies lie (in fact, they all lie).
o The problem is that Apple advertises they're the ONLY one you can trust.

For example, read the closing arguments in this post from today:
o Apple Just Gave 1.4 Billion iPad, iPhone Users A Reason To Leave
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/24/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-siri-recordings-ios-upgrade-iphone-xs-max-xr-update/#744adfa9345a>

The main problem isn't so much that Apple isn't any better on privacy than
any other company - but that Apple (yet again) _lied_ about this to
everyone since PRECISE geolocation & time stamps were saved with EVERY
recorded Siri conversation, even if all you did was lift up your arm.

I'm sorry if I destroyed your imaginary belief system with facts
o Facts are something that adults simply need to learn to live with.

[AG Holder]

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 21:22:18 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> And?

Hi Alan Baker,

FACTS:

Children own completely imaginary belief systems...
o But adults care about facts.

FACTS:

300,000 private recordings - with precise time stamps & geolocation
o Every single day (from just _one_ location) (in Ireland) (of all places)

Remember - Apple advertises that they're the only one you can trust.
o So the fact Apple was yet again caught in brazen lies - matters to adults

The main problem for adults, isn't so much that Apple isn't any better on

privacy than any other company - but that Apple (yet again) _lied_ about
this to everyone since PRECISE geolocation & time stamps were saved with
EVERY recorded Siri conversation, even if all you did was lift up your arm

wearing the Apple Watch.

The facts show that any adult must reasonably & logically conclude:
o Yet again, Apple lied to everyone on three things

Adults care about facts, Alan:
a. Apple's privacy policy did NOT state that humans were listening
b. Apple lied about identification since precise time & location is saved
c. 300 non-Apple humans were listening to 1,000 recordings per day,
etc.

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 07:50:09 -0000 (UTC), AG Holder wrote:

> Apple lied about identification since precise time & location is saved

Since my credibility is 100% stellar ... I care to correct the facts.
o I own a belief system which is _bolstered_ by facts (not afraid of them)

Actually, the Guardian, whose initial breaking report has been shown to be
accurate by later events, didn't mention "time" but did mention the precise
geolocation & other identifying details such as your contacts and app data
were provided to the non-apple contractors with every recording they
listened to.

And yet, Apple says:
"Siri data 惺s not linked to other data that Apple may have from your
use of other Apple services"

Which means, yet again, Apple lied.
"These recordings are accompanied by user data showing location,
contact details, and app data"
<https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings>

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 07:42:50 -0000 (UTC), AG Holder wrote:

> They saved the PRECISE GEOLOCATION & TIME stamps with EVERY recording.

Hi Rod Speed,

We go way back - where you know I've never been wrong on material facts
o Where - if I need to - I change my belief system _based_ on the facts.

Since my credibility is 100% stellar ... I care to correct the facts.
o I own a belief system which is _bolstered_ by facts (not afraid of them)

FACTS:

The Guardian, whose initial breaking report has been shown to be accurate

by later events, didn't mention "time" but did mention the precise
geolocation & other identifying details such as your contacts and app data
were provided to the non-apple contractors with every recording they
listened to.

And yet, Apple says:
"Siri data 惺s not linked to other data that Apple may have from your
use of other Apple services"

Which means, yet again, Apple lied.
"These recordings are accompanied by user data showing location,
contact details, and app data"
<https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings>

FACTS:
o The belief system of an adult - is _supposed_ to be based on facts.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 12:42 a.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 14:39:33 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>

>> But with siri there is no way to identify the individual, so that¢s no big

>> deal.
>
> Hi Rod Speed,
>
> FACTS:
> Assuming you wish to converse as an adult, let's point out actual
> documented facts before you jump to that wholly unwarranted imnaginary
> conclusion based on either a lack of facts or based on Apple MARKETING
> (same thing).
>
> To discuss this like adults, you have to understand adult topics, e.g.,
> o Apple Marketing "says" what you said; but the facts prove otherwise...
>
> Notice - it's a wholly imaginary belief that you can't be identified.
> o Apple MARKETING wants you to _think_ that; but the facts prove otherwise.
>
> FACTS:
> o They saved the PRECISE GEOLOCATION & TIME stamps with EVERY recording.

Which is not the same thing as knowing WHO is speaking, is it?

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 12:50 a.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 21:22:18 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> And?
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> FACTS:
>
> Children own completely imaginary belief systems...
> o But adults care about facts.
>
> FACTS:
>
> 300,000 private recordings - with precise time stamps & geolocation
> o Every single day (from just _one_ location) (in Ireland) (of all places)

OK. So?

>
> Remember - Apple advertises that they're the only one you can trust.
> o So the fact Apple was yet again caught in brazen lies - matters to adults
>
> The main problem for adults, isn't so much that Apple isn't any better on
> privacy than any other company - but that Apple (yet again) _lied_ about
> this to everyone since PRECISE geolocation & time stamps were saved with
> EVERY recorded Siri conversation, even if all you did was lift up your arm
> wearing the Apple Watch.

That is utterly false, and how does knowing the "PRECISE geolocation &
time stamps" let Apple know WHO is speaking?

>
> The facts show that any adult must reasonably & logically conclude:
> o Yet again, Apple lied to everyone on three things
>
> Adults care about facts, Alan:
> a. Apple's privacy policy did NOT state that humans were listening
> b. Apple lied about identification since precise time & location is saved

Where was this lie?

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 1:05 a.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 07:50:09 -0000 (UTC), AG Holder wrote:
>
>> Apple lied about identification since precise time & location is saved
>
> Since my credibility is 100% stellar ... I care to correct the facts.
> o I own a belief system which is _bolstered_ by facts (not afraid of them)

Yet you've gone on and one about "PRECISE geolocation & time stamps",
haven't you?

>
> Actually, the Guardian, whose initial breaking report has been shown to be
> accurate by later events, didn't mention "time" but did mention the precise
> geolocation & other identifying details such as your contacts and app data
> were provided to the non-apple contractors with every recording they
> listened to.
>
> And yet, Apple says:

> "Siri data ´is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your

> use of other Apple services"
>
> Which means, yet again, Apple lied.
> "These recordings are accompanied by user data showing location,
> contact details, and app data"
> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings>
>

Or the Guardian is wrong...

[nospam]

In article <qjudnf$1c5b$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nu...@ness.biz>
wrote:

meanwhile, microsoft not only listens to skype calls, forcing them to
update their privacy policy, but they have also stated they *will*
*continue* *to* *do* *so*.

<https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/15/microsoft-tweaks-privacy-policy-to-ad
mit-humans-can-listen-to-skype-translator-and-cortana-audio/>
Microsoft is the latest tech giant to amend its privacy policy after
media reports revealed it uses human contractors to review audio
recordings of Skype and Cortana users.
...
Microsoft told Motherboard it is not suspending human reviews at
this stage.

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:00:59 -0400, nospam wrote:

> Microsoft told Motherboard it is not suspending human reviews at
> this stage.

Hi nospam,

I love when you apologists prove my point for me.

Given Apple highly advertises the mere _illusion_ of privacy...
o Even you admit Apple is no different overall than all the rest

FACTS:
o Privacy is not just one cherry-picked item that you can dig up, nospam.

You can play all the silly cherry picking games you want, but the facts are
o Apple didn't tell anyone anywhere in any way that HUMANS were listening
o They weren't even employees hired by Apple (they were transients)
o Much of this private data was accidentally recorded (just raise your arm)
o Apple _refuses_ to delete any of the accidentally recorded data
o Apple _lied_ about the identifiable information (gps is often
identifiable as are your contacts and other app data)

FACTS:
o The weakness of Apple apologists is that you don't comprehend facts.

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 09:42:56 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> Where was this lie?

Hi Alan Baker,

FACTS: Facts are the weakness of all you Apple Apologists.

We already reported that the BBC scoured the Apple public information and
found that in absolutely _zero_ places was there any mention of humans.

Worse, there wasn't any mention that these were non-Apple humans, and worse
than that, they were transients (according to the Guardian's report).

Worse than even that, Apple _lied_ that identifiable information wasn't
saved along with the recording since the Guardian clearly reported that
geolocation, contact information, and app information was stored along with
the recordings.

Worse than all that, the Guardian reported that many of the recordings were
accidents, citing zippers and anything that sounded like Siri, and even
just raising your arm with an Apple watch attached.

We already reported, side by side, Apple's statement, which was a clear
lie, albeit extremely cleverly worded - such that it fooled Rod Speed hook
line and sinker. Given Rod Speed is about as average as they get, this
indicates that most average Apple users will be just as easily fooled as
Rod Speed (and Lewis) were.

Face it: Facts aren't the forte of the Apple Apologists, Alan Baker.

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 09:44:06 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> Or the Guardian is wrong...

Hi Alan Baker,

FACTS:
o Facts are the weakness of all you Apple Apologists.

Notice you attempt to refute the Guardian's facts
o And yet - you provide exactly _zero_ facts to back up your claims.

Fancy that... you always fail the simplest of tests of imaginary beliefs
o Name just one

FACTS:

The facts which are well reported in the media _clearly_ show:
a. EVERYTHING the Guardian said has turned out to be correct, and,
b. NOTHING the Guardian said has Apple even attempted to refute.

And yet, you apologists always prove to be utterly immune to facts
o You _hate_ facts so much that you hate the messenger of those facts.

FACTS:
o The weakness of the Apple Apologists is that they're immune to facts.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 11:27 a.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 09:42:56 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Where was this lie?
>

> Hi Al...

We discussed this, "Arlen".

Put back the context. Reply to my post again, but this time leave in the
text to which I was addressing my question.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 11:27 a.m., AG Holder wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:00:59 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> Microsoft told Motherboard it is not suspending human reviews at
>> this stage.
>
> Hi nospam,
>
> I love when you apologists prove my point for me.
>
> Given Apple highly advertises the mere _illusion_ of privacy...
> o Even you admit Apple is no different overall than all the rest
>
> FACTS:
> o Privacy is not just one cherry-picked item that you can dig up, nospam.

Yet that is literally all you do.

>
> You can play all the silly cherry picking games you want, but the facts are
> o Apple didn't tell anyone anywhere in any way that HUMANS were listening

Wrong.

> o They weren't even employees hired by Apple (they were transients)

They were contractors. Stop trying to imply they were hobos.

> o Much of this private data was accidentally recorded (just raise your arm)

Wrong.

> o Apple _refuses_ to delete any of the accidentally recorded data

Because even Apple cannot determine to which person any of the recorded
audio was connected.

> o Apple _lied_ about the identifiable information (gps is often
> identifiable as are your contacts and other app data)

How does GPS data identify THE PERSON?

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 11:27 a.m., AG Holder wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 09:44:06 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Or the Guardian is wrong...
>

> Hi A...

We've discussed this, "Arlen":

ut back the context. Reply to my post again, but this time leave in the

text to which I was addressing my remarks.

[Rod Speed]

"AG Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message
news:qjte5p$76l$1...@news.mixmin.net...

> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 14:39:33 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 05:22:54 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

Hi Rod Speed,

Hehheh... I love how you apologists _always_ prove my point for me.

FACTS.

Instantly - you turn into vitriolic children in the face of facts.
o You apologists have no absolutely zero defense to adult facts.

FACTS:

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 11:42:37 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> How does GPS data identify THE PERSON?

Hi Alan Baker,

FACTS - and then _adult_ logical assessment of those facts.

Are you that immune to facts to think that a geolocation to YOUR HOUSE
isn't damn personally identifying information, particularly when combined
with your very own voice and your very own words and other information such
as contact and app data?

IMHO, if Apple really _cared_ about privacy - they'd instantly delete this
saved accidentally recorded data en masse.

But that would show that Apple actually _cared_ about privacy...
o Instead of simply advertising the mere _illusion_ of privacy.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 3:16 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 05:22:54 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.
>
> Hi Rod Speed,
>
>

Hi, "Arlen".

I snipped it, but I clearly recall you admitting you were full of shit.

:-)

[nospam]

In article <qjv1bn$18c$2...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder

<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

>
> > How does GPS data identify THE PERSON?
>

>

> Are you that immune to facts to think that a geolocation to YOUR HOUSE
> isn't damn personally identifying information, particularly when combined
> with your very own voice and your very own words and other information such
> as contact and app data?

it's a mobile device which can be used anywhere.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-25 3:16 p.m., AG Holder wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 11:42:37 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> How does GPS data identify THE PERSON?
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> FACTS - and then _adult_ logical assessment of those facts.

Not an answer.

>
> Are you that immune to facts to think that a geolocation to YOUR HOUSE
> isn't damn personally identifying information, particularly when combined
> with your very own voice and your very own words and other information such
> as contact and app data?

What is the accuracy of an Apple device, "Arlen". I just looked at my
Apple Maps app, and it shows my position to be anywhere within half a
city block of my location.

>
> IMHO, if Apple really _cared_ about privacy - they'd instantly delete this
> saved accidentally recorded data en masse.

You've yet to show there is any accidentally recorded data, "Arlen".

Apple devices don't send any audio of the device until after they have
heard and processed "Hey Siri".

[Rod Speed]

"AG Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message

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[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:25:54 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

Hi Rod Speed,

You prove my point that you apologists have zero defense to facts.
o All you apologists can do is react with vitriolic hatred of facts.

Why are you apologists so deathly afraid of mere facts?
o I think it's because facts instantly _destroy_ your imaginary beliefs

It's like me telling you that Santa Claus doesn't exist.
o You _always_ react to facts with vitriolic hatred of those facts.

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 15:30:35 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> You've yet to show there is any accidentally recorded data, "Arlen".
>
> Apple devices don't send any audio of the device until after they have
> heard and processed "Hey Siri".

Hi Alan Baker,

Thank you for yet again proving you apologists are utterly immune to facts.

There are so many references already provided showing those facts...
o That your statements prove my point that you're utterly immune to facts

[AG Holder]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 18:30:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

> it's a mobile device which can be used anywhere.

Hi nospam,

Thank you for again proving my point about you apologists...
o You apologists prove my point you apologize for _anything_ Apple does.

FACTS:

The _accidental_ recordings contain...
o Your exact geolocation
o Your exact voice (and often that of your wife)
o Your exact words (and often that of your wife)
o Your contact details
o And other app information

FACTS:

You apologists can dance all you want around those facts.
o But the fact you don't like facts doesn't change the fact they're facts.

FACTS:

[Rod Speed]

"AG Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message

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[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:18:26 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

Hi Rod Speed,

FACTS:
o Facts are your weakness.

Just like with Jolly Roger, Lewis, & BK, I appreciate that you continue
proving my point about you Apple Apologists with every post... that...

a. You have absolutely no defense to facts,
b. And that you act exactly like a child when exposed to facts.

[nospam]

In article <qk0htp$prv$1...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder
<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

> a. I have absolutely no defense to facts,
> b. And that I act exactly like a child when exposed to facts.

ftfy

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:31:01 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ftfy

Hi nospam,

What's interesting is you apologists always prove my point for me that:

a. You own completely imaginary belief systems about Apple products
b. Which are based purely on your interpretation of Apple Marketing
c. Where Apple Marketing (brilliantly) plays you like a child's fiddle

Such that...
A. You always prove to own completely imaginary belief systems
B. Which are instantly _DESTROYED_ in seconds, by mere facts
C. Where none of the apologists have _any_ defense to actual facts

With the end result that...
1. You act exactly like the Flat Earthers do when confronted with facts
@. Reacting with pure vitriol since that's your _only_ defense to facts
3. And, playing 5th grade games - which is literally how your mind works.

Thank you for proving my point with every post from you apologists.

[nospam]

In article <qk0olc$5nh$1...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder
<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

>
> > ftfy

>


>
> With the end result that...

> 1. I act exactly like the Flat Earthers do when confronted with facts
> @. Reacting with pure vitriol since that's my _only_ defense to facts
> 3. And, playing 5th grade games - which is literally how my mind works.

ftfy

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:07:21 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ftfy

Hi nospam,

The FACTS remain:
A. Many Siri recordings are captured accidentally (quite easily)
B. Apple paid HUMANS (who didn't even work for Apple) to LISTEN to them
C. Those humans said that they contained geolocation & contact info

And, most importantly for the company that claims it's the only one you can
trust, just as what happened many times before (e.g., secret throttling),
Apple did not tell anyone any of this - until they were forced to.

FACTS + reasonable adult assessment of those facts:
o So much for the only company you can trust with your privacy.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-26 12:08 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:07:21 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> ftfy
>
> Hi nospam,
>
> The FACTS remain:
> A. Many Siri recordings are captured accidentally (quite easily)

No citation.

Fact: until you say "Hey Siri" (which is processed locally), Siri isn't
sending anything anywhere.

> B. Apple paid HUMANS (who didn't even work for Apple) to LISTEN to them

Which is relevant... ...how?

> C. Those humans said that they contained geolocation & contact info

How many "humans" actually said that?

>
> And, most importantly for the company that claims it's the only one you can
> trust, just as what happened many times before (e.g., secret throttling),
> Apple did not tell anyone any of this - until they were forced to.



>
> FACTS + reasonable adult assessment of those facts:
> o So much for the only company you can trust with your privacy.

Again: you conflate not being perfect with not being the most
trustworthy of the available options.

Google is in the business of selling its "customers" to advertisers.

[Rod Speed]

"AG Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message

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[AG Holder]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:18:23 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

All your posts prove is...
o You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.

Your reaction to facts is purely childish retorts.

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:18:17 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> No citation.
>
> Fact: until you say "Hey Siri" (which is processed locally), Siri isn't
> sending anything anywhere.

Hi Alan Baker,

You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.

You apologists brazenly deny even well established facts that even Apple
doesn't deny - and yet - you provide exactly _zero_ cites to back up your
claims.

The Guardian report _clearly_ stated how the recordings are accidentally
triggered, e.g., a zipper, or simply raising your arm wearing the watch.

Even Apple hasn't refuted a _single_ statement from that Guardian report.

In fact,
o EVERYTHING Apple subsequently did _bolsters_ the veracity of the report.

>> B. Apple paid HUMANS (who didn't even work for Apple) to LISTEN to them
>
> Which is relevant... ...how?

Alan - if you don't understand the PRIVACY implication of humans listening
to your most private conversations from your own bedroom in the middle of
the night, or your discussions with your doctor for heaven's sake ...

Then you apologists are not only unfathomably immune to even basic facts
o You're completely incapable of forming logical assessments of those facts

You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.

>> C. Those humans said that they contained geolocation & contact info
>
> How many "humans" actually said that?

You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.

What silly games you apologists play when even Apple hasn't denied a
_single_ statement out of that Guardian report - and - in fact - Apple's
subsequent moves _bolsters_ the veracity of everything said in that
Guardian report.

> Again: you conflate not being perfect with not being the most
> trustworthy of the available options.

You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.

> Google is in the business of selling its "customers" to advertisers.

It's not worth my time & effort to dig up the cites since you refute all
facts out of hand anyway - even ones that are already well cited in this
thread - but the fact is that Apple sells customer data also.

They just don't advertise that they do what they do
o But they do it (they all do it) where Apple is not different

Where Apple _is_ different is that they are BRILLIANT in marketing
o People like you, Alan Baker, literally GRAVITATE to Apple's messaging!

[Rod Speed]

"AG Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message

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[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-26 12:35 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:18:17 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> No citation.
>>
>> Fact: until you say "Hey Siri" (which is processed locally), Siri isn't
>> sending anything anywhere.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.

I notice you cannot refute this fact.

>
> You apologists brazenly deny even well established facts that even Apple
> doesn't deny - and yet - you provide exactly _zero_ cites to back up your
> claims.
>
> The Guardian report _clearly_ stated how the recordings are accidentally
> triggered, e.g., a zipper, or simply raising your arm wearing the watch.

That zipper bit was reported by a "contractor"...

...who wouldn't have heard the trigger phrase, now would he?

As for raising your arm, you have to explicitly turn on that feature.

>
> Even Apple hasn't refuted a _single_ statement from that Guardian report.

And no one else has corroborated it either.

>
> In fact,
> o EVERYTHING Apple subsequently did _bolsters_ the veracity of the report.
>
>>> B. Apple paid HUMANS (who didn't even work for Apple) to LISTEN to them
>>
>> Which is relevant... ...how?
>
> Alan - if you don't understand the PRIVACY implication of humans listening
> to your most private conversations from your own bedroom in the middle of
> the night, or your discussions with your doctor for heaven's sake ...

They don't know WHOSE conversations they are, "Arlen". That's the point.

>
> Then you apologists are not only unfathomably immune to even basic facts
> o You're completely incapable of forming logical assessments of those facts
>
> You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.
>
>>> C. Those humans said that they contained geolocation & contact info
>>
>> How many "humans" actually said that?
>
> You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.
>
> What silly games you apologists play when even Apple hasn't denied a
> _single_ statement out of that Guardian report - and - in fact - Apple's
> subsequent moves _bolsters_ the veracity of everything said in that
> Guardian report.

And no other source has corroborated the Guardian story.

Apple never denied that humans occasionally listen to recordings from
the Siri system in order to improve it.

But they're not tied to any individual AppleID.

>
>> Again: you conflate not being perfect with not being the most
>> trustworthy of the available options.
>
> You apologists don't own a rational mechanism for forming belief systems.
>
>> Google is in the business of selling its "customers" to advertisers.
>
> It's not worth my time & effort to dig up the cites since you refute all
> facts out of hand anyway - even ones that are already well cited in this
> thread - but the fact is that Apple sells customer data also.

You're a liar.

Is it worth your while now?

>
> They just don't advertise that they do what they do
> o But they do it (they all do it) where Apple is not different
>
> Where Apple _is_ different is that they are BRILLIANT in marketing
> o People like you, Alan Baker, literally GRAVITATE to Apple's messaging!

And they regularly get rated as the best choice for user privacy.

Your own sources have said so, "Arlen".

:-)

[nospam]

In article <qk1ca0$bfi$1...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder

<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

> >> B. Apple paid HUMANS (who didn't even work for Apple) to LISTEN to them
> >
> > Which is relevant... ...how?
>
> Alan - if you don't understand the PRIVACY implication of humans listening
> to your most private conversations from your own bedroom in the middle of
> the night, or your discussions with your doctor for heaven's sake ...

something which is impossible with siri, which must be *intentionally*
triggered, either by pressing the home button or sleep/wake button
(depending on phone), or if enabled, with 'hey siri'.

meanwhile, microsoft continues to listens to skype calls, something
which they have stated they have *no* intentions of stopping, and which
is *far* more intimate than anything siri will ever hear.

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:03:14 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> They don't know WHOSE conversations they are, "Arlen". That's the point.

Hi Alan,

I'm going to attempt to converse with you as if you are an adult, ok?
o Bear in mind that my credibility on facts is 100% over decades, Alan.

That's because I own an adult brain, Alan Baker.

An adult brain is supposed to be able to do two very basic tasks:
a. Comprehend basic facts, and,
b. Process those basic facts to form logical assessments of those facts.

Here's a fact, Alan Baker - for an adult brain to comprehend & process:
o Apple responds to report that workers hear recordings
<https://www.kulr8.com/news/national/is-siri-always-listening-apple-responds-to-report-that-workers/article_3f9e2f50-b23c-11e9-bb43-079e4a5cc1d9.html>
"*Apple hasn't denied the allegations*"

Do you comprehend the fact that not only did the Guardian report that not
only was your exact words and voice recorded and listened to by transient
workers who did not work for Apple, but also that your precise geolocation
was provided, and also contact and app data?

Those are well reported facts, are they not?

OK. Assuming you are an adult ... you comprehend those well reported facts.
o Now let's look at Apple's response to those public facts, shall we?

Do you comprehend the fact that Apple has responded to the Guardian report,
in a variety of ways, both directly (e.g., written responses) and
indirectly (e.g., closing down the Cork facility).

Assuming you comprehend that, do you also comprehend that Apple has not
refuted a _single_ fact that was reported in that Guardian article, Alan?

Think about that fact, Alan Baker.
o Think like an adult would think about that fact.

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0400, nospam wrote:

> something which is impossible with siri, which must be *intentionally*
> triggered, either by pressing the home button or sleep/wake button
> (depending on phone), or if enabled, with 'hey siri'.

Hi nospam,

I'm going to try to treat you as if you own an adult brain, ok?
o That means I'll provide well cited facts, nospam, OK?

It's your job, if you're an adult, to _process_ those facts, nospam.

Adults own two things which are important for adult brains to own:
a. A brain that can comprehend even the most basic of facts, and,
b. A brain that can process those facts to form logical assessments.

The facts remain that NOTHING in the Guardian report was refuted by Apple.
o In fact, Apple's subsequent actions _bolster_ what the Guardian reported!

Rest assured I read every RESPONSE from Apple that I could find
o Since Apple often responds with brazen lies when they get caught

For example, July 26th, 9to5Mac:
o Apple responds to Guardian report about contractors hearing private conversations
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/26/siri-privacy-concerns-report/>

Notice clearly Apple did not refute a single statement by the Guardian.
o It's you Apple Apologists who refute facts Apple doesn't even deny

Notice Apple didn't even deny this Guardian report, and, in fact, Apple's
response clearly proves the veracity of this Guardian statement:
"There have been countless instances of recordings featuring private
discussions between doctors and patients, business deals, seemingly
criminal dealings, sexual encounters and so on. These recordings are
accompanied by user data showing location, contact details, and app data."

Notice Apple did NOT deny this - they simply said some of it could be avoid
by individual manual actions by each of it more than 1.4 billion users.

In short, Apple themselves did not refute a SINGLE FACT in the Guardian
expose, and, in fact, Apple's subsequent actions proved the veracity of
that Guardian report.

Your response will show whether you own a rational mechanism for forming
belief systems.

> meanwhile, microsoft continues to listens to skype calls, something
> which they have stated they have *no* intentions of stopping, and which
> is *far* more intimate than anything siri will ever hear.

You always blame everyone else but Apple for Apple's privacy flaws, nospam.

I love how you apologists unwittingly always prove my point that Apple is
no different on security or privacy than even the worst out there (e.g.,
Amazon, Google, & Microsoft).

The only thing different about Apple is their MARKETGING is brilliant.
o This is yet more proof Apple markets the mere _illusion_ of privacy

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-26 2:33 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:03:14 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> They don't know WHOSE conversations they are, "Arlen". That's the point.
>

> Hi Alan...

I've told you, "Arlen":

Don't snip the context.

[nospam]

In article <qk1j6s$on2$2...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder

<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

>
> > something which is impossible with siri, which must be *intentionally*
> > triggered, either by pressing the home button or sleep/wake button
> > (depending on phone), or if enabled, with 'hey siri'.
>
>

> I'm going to try to treat you as if you own an adult brain, ok?

since you have the mind of a child, you will fail yet again.

> o That means I'll provide well cited facts, nospam, OK?

if only that were true.

> It's your job, if you're an adult, to _process_ those facts, nospam.
>
> Adults own two things which are important for adult brains to own:
> a. A brain that can comprehend even the most basic of facts, and,
> b. A brain that can process those facts to form logical assessments.

by that definition, you do not own nor operate an adult brain.

also, an adult brain would not use a buggy script to post to usenet,
especially one which is fucking up and posting the exact same garbage
multiple times in multiple groups.

[nospam]

In article <qk1j6r$on2$1...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder

<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

> I'm going to attempt to converse with you as if you are an adult, ok?

since you have the mind of a child, you will fail yet again.

> o Bear in mind that my credibility on facts is 100% over decades, Alan.

100% incorrect 'facts', you mean.

> That's because I own an adult brain, Alan Baker.
>
> An adult brain is supposed to be able to do two very basic tasks:
> a. Comprehend basic facts, and,
> b. Process those basic facts to form logical assessments of those facts.

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:50:36 -0400, nospam wrote:

> by that definition, you do not own nor operate an adult brain.

An adult brain can do two things, nospam, that you don't seem to do:
a. Process facts
b. Form logical assessments.

For example...
A. Apple _saves_ identifying information with every recording, and,
B. Apple only removes that "identifying information" after six months!

The adults on this newsgroup will note that I tried to converse with nospam
as an adult would, by citing facts - and - like an adult - by providing the
source of those facts.

The facts clearly show:
a. The Guardian report has, so far, been shown to be entirely accurate,
b. Apple has responded - by not refuting a _single_ fact in that report.

What's amazing is Apple Apologist often refute that which even Apple admits!

In addition, not the FACT that Apple has not said whether it will stop
recording your most private of accidentally recorded conversations!
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/2/20751270/apple-stops-contractors-siri-voice-recordings-privacy-opt-out>
"Currently the company [i.e., Apple] says it keeps recordings for six
months *before removing identifying information* from a copy that it could
keep for two years or more."

Note what Apple does only well AFTER Apple saves your data for six months!
"removing identifying information"

Who knows the full extent of that "identifying information" but certainly
it has been well publicized and Apple has not refuted that each accidental
recording contains:
a. Your own voice (and that of people around you)
b. Your actual words (and those of people around you)
c. Your precise geolocation (and contact and app data)

Notice Apple only removes "identifying information" after six months!

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:50:35 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> o That means I'll provide well cited facts, nospam, OK?
>
> if only that were true.

The adults on this newsgroup will note I _tried_ to converse with nospam as
an adult, citing facts and providing the sources for those facts:
1. The Guardian reported a series of astounding facts about Siri privacy,
2. Which Apple responded to - importantly - & which Apple did NOT refute.

Specifically, this cited quote is relevant for adults to logically process:

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-26 3:59 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:50:35 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>> o That means I'll provide well cited facts, nospam, OK?
>>
>> if only that were true.
>
> The adults on this newsgroup will note I _tried_ to converse with nospam as
> an adult, citing facts and providing the sources for those facts:
> 1. The Guardian reported a series of astounding facts about Siri privacy,

Which remains uncorroborated.

> 2. Which Apple responded to - importantly - & which Apple did NOT refute.

But Apple pointed out things you don't want to deal with:

'Apple hasn't denied the allegations, but emphasizes Siri recordings are
anonymized and says "only a very small random subset, less than one
percent of daily Siri utterances, are used" for analysis. '

So while Apple has less than one percent of Siri recordings analysed...

...even those are anonymous.

>
> Specifically, this cited quote is relevant for adults to logically process:
>
> o Apple responds to report that workers hear recordings
> <https://www.kulr8.com/news/national/is-siri-always-listening-apple-responds-to-report-that-workers/article_3f9e2f50-b23c-11e9-bb43-079e4a5cc1d9.html>
> "*Apple hasn't denied the allegations*"

'Apple hasn't denied the allegations, but emphasizes Siri recordings are
anonymized and says "only a very small random subset, less than one
percent of daily Siri utterances, are used" for analysis. '

[AG Holder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:04:13 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> But Apple pointed out things you don't want to deal with:
>
> 'Apple hasn't denied the allegations, but emphasizes Siri recordings are
> anonymized and says "only a very small random subset, less than one
> percent of daily Siri utterances, are used" for analysis. '

An adult brain can do two things, Alan Baker, that you don't seem to do:
a. Comprehend facts
b. Form logical assessments

For example...
A. Apple _saves_ identifying information with every recording, and,
B. Apple only removes that "identifying information" after six months!

The adults on this newsgroup will note that I tried to converse with Alan
Baker as an adult would, by citing facts - and - like an adult - by

providing the source of those facts.

The facts clearly show:
a. The Guardian report has, so far, been shown to be entirely accurate,
b. Apple has responded - by not refuting a _single_ fact in that report.

Look at the obvious FACT that Apple has not said whether it will stop

recording your most private of accidentally recorded conversations!
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/2/20751270/apple-stops-contractors-siri-voice-recordings-privacy-opt-out>
"Currently the company [i.e., Apple] says it keeps recordings for six
months *before removing identifying information* from a copy that it could
keep for two years or more."

Note what Apple does only well AFTER Apple saves your data for six months!
"removing identifying information"

Who knows the full extent of that "identifying information" but certainly
it has been well publicized and Apple has not refuted that each accidental
recording contains:
a. Your own voice (and that of people around you)
b. Your actual words (and those of people around you)
c. Your precise geolocation (and contact and app data)

Notice Apple only removes "identifying information" after six months!

"But the company┬ terms of service was less than clear about the reality
that humans outside Apple are listening in on Siri, only noting that
certain information such as your name, contacts, music you listen to, and
searches is sent to Apple servers using encrypted protocols"

[nospam]

In article <qk1o96$1u5$1...@news.mixmin.net>, AG Holder

<a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote:

>
> An adult brain can do two things

much more than that

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-26 4:10 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:04:13 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> But Apple pointed out things you don't want to deal with:
>>
>> 'Apple hasn't denied the allegations, but emphasizes Siri recordings are
>> anonymized and says "only a very small random subset, less than one
>> percent of daily Siri utterances, are used" for analysis. '
>

> An adult...

...can reply without snipping all context?

I agree.

[Lewis]

Troll shit-for-brains has never once posted a fact and has no idea what
a fact is. He seems to have some pretty serious brain damage, in fact.


--
A: You're wrong
Q: I've never found that to be true
A: Because it make following messages more difficult
Q: Why is top-posting evil?

[AG Holder]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 01:18:58 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> Troll shit-for-brains has never once posted a fact and has no idea what
> a fact is. He seems to have some pretty serious brain damage, in fact.

Hi Lewis,

Adults can do at least two simple things...
a. Comprehend facts
b. Assess those facts

I love when you and Jolly Roger & BK post, since you're all fantastic at
proving my point for me that you apologists are wholly immune to facts.

For example, did you see in MacRumors the FACT that the entire time that
the 300 or so Globaltech non-Apple contractors in Cork Ireland were
listening to your most private of accidentally recorded recordings - that
they were ALLOWED to bring their cellphones with them to work?

No?

Well then, take a look:
o Non-Apple contractors were allowed to have cellphones with them while
listening to your most private of conversations
<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/23/apple-siri-contractors-quality-control/>

That's a fact.
o Now let's see how well you assess that fact, shall we Lewis?

ASSEMSSMENT QUESTION:
o How hard do you think it would have been for those transient non-Apple
employees to take your most private of conversations home with them on
their own cellphone, Lewis?

[AG Holder]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:54:11 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

Hi Rod Speed,

FACTS:

MacRumors reports that the number of accidental Siri recordings is...
.... "incredibly high" ....

Verbatim quote:
"the regularity of accidental triggers on the watch is incredibly high"
<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/26/siri-human-analysis-voice-recordings/>

FACTS:

[Rod Speed]

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[AG Holder]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 13:27:16 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

Hi Rod Speed,

Adults can do two things that you can't do:
a. Adults can comprehend facts, and,
b. Adults can process facts to form logical assessments.

For example:
o Apple caught in Siri privacy scandal, issues a statement trying to downplay its severity
<https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-caught-in-Siri-privacy-scandal-issues-a-statement-trying-to-downplay-its-severity.428254.0.html>

VERBATIM QUOTES:
"Once again AppleĄŚs PR machine looks to be downplaying the seriousness of
the issue at hand with its favorite adjective. Also not addressed in the
statement from Apple is the fact that a high number of the recordings heard
by its contractors were accidentally triggered meaning that users were both
completely unaware that Siri was listening in on them and that people could
be then played the recordings. Seems like a pretty clear cut breach of user
trust, no?"

"Most egregiously perhaps, there is nothing in AppleĄŚs public privacy
documentation that indicates that Apple has been engaging in this practice.
In fact, even Google and Amazon allow users to opt out the use of their
personal recordings in some instances ĄV no such option for Apple users.
Further, when the stories about Google and Amazon engaging in similar
practices, Apple failed to come clean that it too did this until The
Guardian was made aware of the practice by the whistleblower."

Adults can do two things you can't do, Rod Speed:
a. Adults comprehend facts, and,
b. Adults form logical conclusions based on those facts.

You, Rod Speed, have no defense to facts other than childish responses.

[Rod Speed]

"AG Holder" <a.g.h...@holder.net> wrote in message

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[AG Trolder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:03:14 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> I notice you cannot refute this fact.

> That zipper bit was reported by a "contractor"...
> ...who wouldn't have heard the trigger phrase, now would he?
> As for raising your arm, you have to explicitly turn on that feature.

> And no one else has corroborated it either.

> They don't know WHOSE conversations they are, "Arlen". That's the point.

> And no other source has corroborated the Guardian story.
> Apple never denied that humans occasionally listen to recordings from
> the Siri system in order to improve it.
> But they're not tied to any individual AppleID.

> You're a liar.
> Is it worth your while now?

> And they regularly get rated as the best choice for user privacy.
> Your own sources have said so, "Arlen".

Lovely lines of...

Food, glorious food!
What is there more handsome?
Gulped, swallowed or chewed --
Still worth a king's ransom!

Food, glorious food!
Don't care what it looks like --
Burned!
Underdone!
Crude!
Don't care what the cook's like.

[AG Trolder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:04:13 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> But Apple pointed out things you don't want to deal with:
> 'Apple hasn't denied the allegations, but emphasizes Siri recordings are
> anonymized and says "only a very small random subset, less than one
> percent of daily Siri utterances, are used" for analysis. '
> So while Apple has less than one percent of Siri recordings analysed...
> ...even those are anonymous.
> 'Apple hasn't denied the allegations, but emphasizes Siri recordings are
> anonymized and says "only a very small random subset, less than one
> percent of daily Siri utterances, are used" for analysis. '

Lovely lines of...

Food, glorious food!

Don't care what it looks like --
Burned!
Underdone!
Crude!
Don't care what the cook's like.

Food, glorious food!
Eat right through the menu.
Just loosen your belt
Two inches and then you
Work up a new appetite.
In this interlude --
The food,
Once again, food
Fabulous food,
Glorious food.

[AG Trolder]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0400, nospam wrote:

> something which is impossible with siri, which must be *intentionally*
> triggered, either by pressing the home button or sleep/wake button
> (depending on phone), or if enabled, with 'hey siri'.
> meanwhile, microsoft continues to listens to skype calls, something
> which they have stated they have *no* intentions of stopping, and which
> is *far* more intimate than anything siri will ever hear.

Lovely lines of...

Food, glorious food!

What is there more handsome?
Gulped, swallowed or chewed --
Still worth a king's ransom!

[AG Holder]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:12:22 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> All your shit flushed where it belongs, as always.

Hi Rod Speed,

Adults do two things you have proven you can't do:
a. Adults comprehend basic facts
b. Adults form logical assessments based on those facts.

The difference between you and me, Rod Spped, is I comprehend facts
o And, unlike you I form logical reasonable assessments of those facts.

For example, today Apple issued a written apology for secretly violating
users privacy -
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/08/improving-siris-privacy-protections/>
"we realize we haven't been fully living up to our high ideals,
and for that we apologize"

In that apology, Apple admits what everyone but you already knew, which was
that precise geospecific location data _was_ included with Siri records,
despite the fact that Apologists are clueless about facts.

1. Apple will stop recording audio of every accidental Siri interaction by default
2. But Apple will still _save_ those tender transcript of your most private moments
3. Users will be able to "opt in" to having their private moments recorded
4. Apple will stop employing non-Apple transients to listen to those recordings.

What's good about _this_ apology (in contrast to the secret throttling
so-called apology), was that Apple at least had the balls to _sign_ this
apology!
o Cat Franklin, an actual Apple employee, cfran...@apple.com(669) 276-1209

See also:
o Apple apologizes for Siri audio recordings, announces privacy changes going forward
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20836760/apple-apology-siri-audio-recordings-privacy-changes-contractors>

FACTS.

[Rod Speed]

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