Catholic Charities' urgent appeal

[J]

This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical liberal
knee-jerk reaction to the long standing practice of Catholic Charities
placing the welfare of children above political correctness. It seems
these same liberals always place their own agenda above anything that
may actually help a child grow-up to be a normal, functional adult. If
they aren't advocating killing these children in the womb, they are
pushing for these same kids to become homos, or at least teaching them
that being a homo is normal and acceptable.


Catholic Charities has always been a standard bearer of decency and
should not be punished for setting high standards for adoption and
foster care. Once again, Catholic-bashing rears its' ugly face.










http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1446812







Catholic Charities says it will continue battling the state of Illinois
over its adoption and foster care contracts, as the organization plans
to appeal the most recent court decision that favors the state's bid to
punish the agency for not allowing homosexuals to adopt.


Thomas More Society attorney Peter Breen says the state could allow an
appeals process to proceed without disrupting the children's lives.
However, he suspects an ulterior motive.


"The state of Illinois is moving rapidly to try to take the children
away from Catholic Charities. The only reason we can see [for] why ...
Illinois is trying to take these kids away quickly is ... in an attempt
to scuttle the Catholic Charities legal case," Breen suggests.


His organization is urgently appealing to the Fourth District Appellate
Court for a stay, because time is running out on preventing the
consequences that Catholic Charities is on track to facing, particularly
the transition of moving the children to other foster-care providers.


"If a stay is unable to be obtained, then Catholic Charities will be
driven out of foster care and adoption. This is an egg that you can't
unbreak," the attorney warns.


Earlier this month, state contracts were not renewed with Catholic
Charities after the agency argued that its religious principles do not
allow it to place children with unmarried or same-sex couples under
Illinois' new civil union act.











--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com

[Andre Lieven]

On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.

[W.T.S.]

In article <51vhbv....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@liar.com says...

>
> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical liberal

> -snipped at first lie, no need to continue-

>
> Catholic Charities has always been a standard bearer of decency

> -snipped at first lie, no need to continue-
>
We should give money and tax dollars to support the Vatican, why again?
>
> http://www.OneLiesNow.com/Lies/Disinformation/Propaganda/
>
<snip> Usual Catholic bull shit, why repost? </snip>
>
Summary: The Catholic Church wants an exemption from the law, plus
taxpayer money. End of story.
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch

[kni...@nevermind.com]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:35:05 -0700, J <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:


>Catholic Charities has always been a standard bearer of decency and
>should not be punished for setting high standards for adoption and
>foster care. Once again, Catholic-bashing rears its' ugly face.

No condoms for AIDS infested countries.
A Pope that protects pedophiles.
A Nun that takes stolen money and doesn't return it.
Systemic child abuse.

The last one is...

Having the balls to say you're the standard bearer of decency.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[The_Echo_Chamber]

On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:

> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical liberal
> knee-jerk reaction to the long standing practice of Catholic Charities
> placing the welfare of children above political correctness.

Equal rights aren't a matter of political correctness, bigot.

[Bill Graham]

I fail to see the connection between Catholic charities taking care of the
disadvantaged, and not accepting a woman's right to abortion and the general
acceptance of homosexuality as a viable life style. I personally contribute
to a Catholic charity that takes care of down's syndrome people who were
abandoned by their families, but I accept the Roe vs. Wade decision, and
have encougaged Gays in their bid to get their right to marry through their
state legislators. There is no conflict between these two positions.
Believing that life, with full constitutional rights, begins at the instant
of conception is an exterme position, just as believing that anyone can kill
anyone else at any time for no reason wold be the other extreme. Roe v. Wade
represents a viable middle ground, and that's why it has lasted so long.
Allowing gays to marry hurts no one, and therefor should be allowed just an
anything that affects no one else should be a constitutional right. I could
care less if the cople living next door to me are married or not,
reguardless of their sex. As a matter of fact, I don't even know their sex.
Neither of them has come over to my place and stripped down for my
inspection. The very idea that same sex coples shouldn't marry is
ridiculous. How are you going to know what their sex is? And, if you don't
know, how can it affect you in any way? So, a law against such a thing is
unenforceable on the face of it. That's just what we need.... More
unenforceable laws.... NOT!

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <MPG.28eebd035...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
m1...@earthlink.net wrote:

>In article <51vhbv....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@liar.com says...
>>
>> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical liberal
>> -snipped at first lie, no need to continue-
>>
>> Catholic Charities has always been a standard bearer of decency
>> -snipped at first lie, no need to continue-
>>
>We should give money and tax dollars to support the Vatican, why again?
>>

** because they need money to pay off the altar-boy settlements.

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[duke]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
>Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.

We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
speaking with satan's tongue.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[MarkA]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:35:05 -0700, J wrote:

>
>
> Earlier this month, state contracts were not renewed with Catholic
> Charities after the agency argued that its religious principles do not
> allow it to place children with unmarried or same-sex couples under
> Illinois' new civil union act.

If I am interpreting "Catholicspeak" correctly, Illinois has recognized
civil unions as a valid living arrangement, and discrimination against
them in placement of foster children is illegal. Catholic Charities
intends to continue to discriminate against them, due to their religious
beliefs.

So, CC has stated their intent to violate the law WRT placing orphans in
foster homes. It sounds like CC has to change their policy, or get out of
the foster care business.

Why is this a problem?

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[Patrick]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote...

It isn't a problem for the Catholic Church.
It is a problem for the children being forced into fag families.

[Dakota]

They can stay in the business but they lose their government contracts.
To the Catholic Church, the cash is more important than their desire to
care for kids.

[W.T.S.]

In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>

> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
> >
> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>
> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
> speaking with satan's tongue.

You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
money. It's called a con game known as the "God myth". You and your
Pope speak with your rectums.
P.S. Both "God" and "Satan" are lies.
>
> The pukester, American-Ass Hole.
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of excrement."
> Pope Stools VI
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch

[MarkA]

It's a problem for Catholic Charities if they expect the government to pay
them to break the law.

[Conan the bacterium]

On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>

> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>

<>

> We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
> speaking with satan's tongue.

I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
contributions to Catholic Relief Services.

How much do you send, Duke?


conan

[W.T.S.]

In article <a9f8f325-694c-42e8-83f6-
28b3f4...@k34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
deinococcus...@gmail.com says...

> On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
> >
> > We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
> > speaking with satan's tongue.
>
> I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
> contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>
> How much do you send, Duke?
>
> conan
>

You'd have better luck with the American Red Cross. Their "overhead" is
a lot lower and a lot more reaches the people in need.
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch

[Dakota]

On 9/30/2011 10:52 AM, Conan the bacterium wrote:
> On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven<andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J<Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>
>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
> I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
> contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>

Why not switch to the American Red Cross. They provide disaster services
without the baggage of religion and without taking a cut.

I also recommend Feeding America during these tough economic times.

http://www.redcross.org/

http://feedingamerica.org/

[Patrick]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2011.09.30....@nowhere.com...

They expect nothing of the kind.
If Illinois lawmakers wish to allow children to be groomed by fags, so be
it.

[Patrick]

"Dakota" <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:j64mbg$igt$2...@dont-email.me...

If they were, they would allow the fags to take those kids.

[Conan the bacterium]

On Sep 30, 10:32 am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/30/2011 10:52 AM, Conan the bacterium wrote:> On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net>  wrote:
> >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven<andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J<Jvisi...@live.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>
> >> We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
> >> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
> > I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
> > contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>

<>

> Why not switch to the American Red Cross. They provide disaster services
> without the baggage of religion and without taking a cut.

My impression is that Catholic Relief Services is well
established in many countries, and thus has the advantage
of already being on the ground when a sudden disaster
occurs -- knowing the territory, how to deal with the local
authorities, familiar with the people, all like that.

I may be wrong, but this is the reason I tend to
donate to them, rather than to an outside agency
which has to feel its way in.

(of course, I have donated to the Red Cross, too.
many a time)

conan

[Conan the bacterium]

Gee, these fags[sic] must not be very adept at "grooming",
since studies show that adopted children raised by
homosexual couples are no more likely to be gay
than are children raised by hets.

conan

[Bill Graham]

This is not true. I , (an atheist), send $20 every month to a Catholic
charity in SF that provides a home for downs syndrome people who have been
abandoned by their families virtually all of the money goes to the people
living there. The only way you could tell its a Catholic charity is because
the person in charge is a nun. The president of the American Red Cross, gets
hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salery.

[Budikka666]

On Sep 29, 5:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical liberal
> knee-jerk reaction to the long standing practice of Catholic Charities
> placing the welfare of children above political correctness. It seems
> these same liberals always place their own agenda above anything that
> may actually help a child grow-up to be a normal, functional adult.

Which would definitely not be the Catholic church, authoritarian,
based in mythology, and rife with child rapists as it is.

But the real issue here is where is your god? Why isn't he stepping
up? Wasn't it your fictional Jesus who said "Suffer little children
to come unto me"? So why is it more like "Little Children suffer"?
Once again your god is absent.

And once again you floored your mouth without turning on the ignition
first.

But what's really intriguing is why you're posting this to
alt.abortion since this has nothing to do with abortion. Are you now
openly admitting that these children would have been *better off
aborted*, J Young? That's quite a turn-around. Or is it just that
you're a worthless, attention-seeking spam artist? If you have your
god to rely on, why are you so desperate for attention that you're
willing to post any crap to Usenet? Or are you admitting there is no
god and that's precisely why you come running to us when you get
lonely and have those naughty thoughts?

Budikka

[Bill Graham]

If asking the question, "Where is your God when he is most needed?" is
flooring ones mouth without turning on the ignition, then please count me in
too. I have been asking this question all of my life and I am 76 years old.
A typewriter, tossed from the roof oa a 100 story office building, has as
much chance of hitting a child on the sidewalk below as it does the nearby
trash can. Only the percentage of the sidewalks surface occluded by both
these items enters into the equation. Tell me. Just where the Hell is your
god anyway? He sure hasn't ever done anything at all during my lifetime.
Nothing good. Nothing bad. IOW, he might as well not exist at all. And
that's exactly the conclusion I have drawn. He doesn't exist. Why the hell
do you believe in something that doesn't exist? This is the thinking of a
maniac, and not any reasonable person. Do you also believe in Santa Claus
and the tooth fairy?

[Father Haskell]

I'll bet if either Santa or the Tooth Fairy used threats of
Hell, he would.

[Dakota]

The nun, prayers several times per day, and a crucifix in every room.

Hundreds of thousands. Wow. I wonder what it costs to support the
lifestyle of a Catholic Bishop these days and how much more for a
Cardinal. When the Pope's bored with living in his palaces in Vatican
City he heads to Castle Gandolfo for a change of pace.

[Bill Graham]

Yes. His heaven is full of sheep who say they, "love" their god because they
are scared to death of him. They love him like the Soviets loved Stalin.
Liked raped women "love" their attackers. They confuse abject terror with
love. And the funny part is, they believe he can't be fooled. That he knows
whether you really love him or not. So they go to church and keep repeating
over and over, "We love you, God." Like that's going to change anything.
And, through it all, the world keeps churning along, with millions of
helpless creatures freezing and starving to death every Winter, and
earthquakes and tornados killing the innocent right along with everybody
else, while these idiots are crawling and mumbling their prayers on the
floors of their churches and synagogs and temples all to no avail.
You'd think that they would just go out in the field and feed some
starving animal next Sunday instead of going to church. That would make
about 1000 times more sense....

[Bill Graham]

You are still mistaken. The best charities are the small "mom & pop" types,
where most or all of the money goes directly to the disadvantaged. The
biggies, like the Red Cross, and the ACS, manage to give an increasingly
smwller percentage of their intake to those in need, and a rather large
percentage to the pockets of their leaders and employees. Also, you can see
the books and check up yourself if the charity is small and local. I also
gave to the Haiti earthquake fund through the Jewish Fund for the same
reason. A large percentage of those funds goes to the needy. After all, what
else are these churches good for? Their mumblings to their "Gods" must
necessarily fall on dead (and therefore deaf) ears......:^)

[Patrick]

"Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:09501f09-6b0e-470d...@i23g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

<>

+ What studies?
+ Those done by gay/lesbian groups?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Catholic charities gives charitable assistance to individuals
regardless of religious preference. I admire and have given financial
contributions to this fine charity and will do the same in the future.
I am a Deist.

[Greegor]

> Why not switch to the American Red Cross. They provide disaster services
> without the baggage of religion and without taking a cut.

What makes you think that Red Cross doesn't take a cut??

You must not remember how they got in trouble after
9-11-01 when they hoarded HUGE amounts of
cash and didn't pass any out to the needy until
Congress had to actually start investigating them.

THEN they started handing out money.

Non-Profits can be huge and have upper
managers who get paid MILLIONS per
year, which sorta makes the whole
non-profit status kind of a charade.

[Dakota]

Got a cite?

[duke]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>@cox.net says...
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>
>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
>> speaking with satan's tongue.

>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>money.

According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.

That leaves you as the one living in the sewer.

The dukester, American-American
*****

[duke]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT), Conan the bacterium
<deinococcus...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.

>> We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
>I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
>contributions to Catholic Relief Services.

Good, you're going to make a good Christian and Roman Catholic..

>How much do you send, Duke?

I give time, talent, and treasure which God asks of us.

[duke]

Is that why they were investigated for non-help after 911?

[duke]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:52:55 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

>> This is not true. I , (an atheist), send $20 every month to a Catholic
>> charity in SF that provides a home for downs syndrome people who have
>> been abandoned by their families virtually all of the money goes to the
>> people living there. The only way you could tell its a Catholic charity
>> is because the person in charge is a nun. The president of the American
>> Red Cross, gets hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salery.

>The nun, prayers several times per day, and a crucifix in every room.

>Hundreds of thousands. Wow. I wonder what it costs to support the
>lifestyle of a Catholic Bishop these days

Next to nothing. If you had looked, you would have seen that.

> and how much more for a
>Cardinal. When the Pope's bored with living in his palaces in Vatican
>City he heads to Castle Gandolfo for a change of pace.

It's nice to pray all day in a new locale. The only thing the Pope owns are
some Prada shoes given to him - by Prada.

Heeheehee.

[duke]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:32:16 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/30/2011 10:52 AM, Conan the bacterium wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven<andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J<Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>
>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>
>> I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
>> contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>>
>Why not switch to the American Red Cross. They provide disaster services
>without the baggage of religion and without taking a cut.

If you get burned out of your home, they put you in a motel for 1 night.

[duke]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:51:04 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:35:05 -0700, J wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Earlier this month, state contracts were not renewed with Catholic
>> Charities after the agency argued that its religious principles do not
>> allow it to place children with unmarried or same-sex couples under
>> Illinois' new civil union act.
>
>If I am interpreting "Catholicspeak" correctly, Illinois has recognized
>civil unions as a valid living arrangement, and discrimination against
>them in placement of foster children is illegal. Catholic Charities
>intends to continue to discriminate against them, due to their religious
>beliefs.

Why does a 2-queer family monthly income need Catholic Charities support?

[duke]

Something tells me that d-boy is upset because they wouldn't give him the kid of
his choice.

[Joe Dixon]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:16:31 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

> > Non-Profits can be huge and have upper
> > managers who get paid MILLIONS per
> > year, which sorta makes the whole
> > non-profit status kind of a charade.
>
> Got a cite?

Well he is wrong about them being paid millions of dollars in salary. But
one thing that the board members and executives like to do is stir
business from relatives to non-profits and also buy land or real estate
then have the non-profit buy that land for higher then market value.

[Dakota]

Got a cite?

[W.T.S.]

In article <64ud87tpg3jf2sf0f...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32

@cox.net says...
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >@cox.net says...
> >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
> >>
> >> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
> >> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
> >You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
> >money.
>
> According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
>
> That leaves you as the one living in the sewer.
>

The bulk of "Charity" money the "Church" collects goes to salaries,
upkeep, and most of the rest is sent to the Vatican to support a very
fine lifestyle.
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <t0vd87ts6fc2gknmg...@4ax.com>, duke

АА Guffaw!

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[Dakota]

They're threatening to abandon the kids unless they get the cash.

>
>> Something tells me that d-boy is upset because they wouldn't give him the
> kid of
>> his choice.
>

You should seek help about those voices in your head.
>
> €€ Guffaw!
>

[richard]

don't know about the money hand out angle, but the director of red cross
gets paid $400,000 a year. Now where do you suppose that money comes from
if red cross is a charity?

Take a close look at "Special Olympics". 70% of what you donate goes to the
people who run it.
SO has assets worth over $40 million.

[Kent Wills]

Greg offer a cite? Only if it will PROVE him the pathological
liar he is.
Sadly, I'm not joking.

[Cue Greg posting information he admitted isn't about me as if it is
about me]


"I am Bob Larson."
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson offering more proof that he is
as mentally ill as he presents.
Message-ID:
<df610804-da3b-4aa8...@cu4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>

A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Wiggly" Hanson (They are so accurate, Greg compared them the comment
that water is wet):

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by
attacking my first wife (deceased).
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:
"Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child
abuser

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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Newsgroups:
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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.) After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end. I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water. Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms. I brought her up and she
gasped for air. When she'd caught her breath, I asked her, "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo? Pokemon? Rhianna?"
She shook her head. "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded. She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story

As of Wednesday, August 31, 2011:

SMALL CLAIMS ORIGINAL NOTICE
Comments: OPA $2805.04
COPIES TO PA
VERIFICATION OF ACCOUNT

JUDGEMENT DEFAULT
Comments: JUDGMENT AGAINST GREGORY HANSON FOR $2805.04
+ INTEREST AT 7.271% FROM 8/6/98 & $45.00 COSTS.

Comments: NOTE OF GARN/NOTE TO DEFT SERV 9/24/98 BY WCSD
TO SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (ED POLKERS) FOR GREG HANSON
FEES $35.60

Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson has a Garnishment order against
him. There is nothing to even suggest any of the money legally owed
has been paid. The SoL on the order has likely expired, but Greg still
can't risk getting a job due to it.

[Ray Fischer]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>@cox.net says...
>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>
>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>>money.
>
>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.

Lack of cite noted.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal

[Ray Fischer]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:03:59 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <a9f8f325-694c-42e8-83f6-
>>28b3f4...@k34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>>deinococcus...@gmail.com says...
>>> On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>> >
>>> > We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
>>> > speaking with satan's tongue.
>>>
>>> I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
>>> contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>>>
>>> How much do you send, Duke?
>>>
>>> conan
>>>
>>You'd have better luck with the American Red Cross. Their "overhead" is
>>a lot lower and a lot more reaches the people in need.
>
>Is that why they were investigated for non-help after 911?

[Ray Fischer]

richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:16:31 -0500, Dakota wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2011 5:23 AM, Greegor wrote:
>>>> Why not switch to the American Red Cross. They provide disaster services
>>>> without the baggage of religion and without taking a cut.
>>>
>>> What makes you think that Red Cross doesn't take a cut??
>>>
>>> You must not remember how they got in trouble after
>>> 9-11-01 when they hoarded HUGE amounts of
>>> cash and didn't pass any out to the needy until
>>> Congress had to actually start investigating them.
>>>
>>> THEN they started handing out money.
>>>
>>> Non-Profits can be huge and have upper
>>> managers who get paid MILLIONS per
>>> year, which sorta makes the whole
>>> non-profit status kind of a charade.
>>
>> Got a cite?
>
>don't know about the money hand out angle, but the director of red cross
>gets paid $400,000 a year. Now where do you suppose that money comes from
>if red cross is a charity?

The American Red Cross employs 30,000 people and manages more than a
million volunteers. $400k/year is way below the going rate for a CEO
of such a large organization.

>Take a close look at "Special Olympics". 70% of what you donate goes to the

98% of rightards' claims are lies.

[Kent Wills]

At one time, not so long ago, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>>> Non-Profits can be huge and have upper
>>> managers who get paid MILLIONS per
>>> year, which sorta makes the whole
>>> non-profit status kind of a charade.
>>
>> Got a cite?
>
>don't know about the money hand out angle, but the director of red cross
>gets paid $400,000 a year.

Seems a bit shy of the MILLIONS you claimed.

>Now where do you suppose that money comes from
>if red cross is a charity?
>
>Take a close look at "Special Olympics". 70% of what you donate goes to the
>people who run it.
>SO has assets worth over $40 million.

And?

--
Sanza speme vivemo in disio.

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4e876315$0$1661$742e...@news.sonic.net...

Special Olympics of New York:
Income Statement (FYE 12/2009)
Revenue
Primary Revenue $7,103,415
Other Revenue $84,991
Total Revenue $7,188,406

Expenses
Program Expenses $4,437,809
Administrative Expenses $705,237
Fundraising Expenses $1,981,322
Total Functional Expenses $7,124,368

Payments to Affiliates $172,848
Excess (or Deficit) for the year $64,038




http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6075

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

news:4e87625f$0$1661$742e...@news.sonic.net...

> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>>@cox.net says...
>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven
>>>> <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>>
>>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You
>>>> yourself are
>>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>
>>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>>>money.
>>
>>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
>
> Lack of cite noted.

Name Overall Score Overall Rating
Catholic Charities USA - VA 60.36
Catholic Charities of Spokane - WA 65.62
Catholic Charities of Fort Worth - TX 63.38
Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston - TX 65.93
Catholic Charities of Buffalo - NY

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10656
61.22

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

news:4e876279$0$1661$742e...@news.sonic.net...

Since its founding in 1881 by visionary leader Clara Barton, the American
Red Cross has been the nation's premier emergency response organization. As
part of a worldwide movement that offers neutral humanitarian care to the
victims of war, the American Red Cross distinguishes itself by also aiding
victims of devastating natural disasters. Over the years, the organization
has expanded its services, always with the aim of preventing and relieving
suffering. Today, in addition to domestic disaster relief, the American Red
Cross offers compassionate services in five other areas: community services
that help the needy; support and comfort for military members and their
families; the collection, processing and distribution of lifesaving blood
and blood products; educational programs that promote health and safety; and
international relief and development programs.



Charities performing similar type work and comparisons......

Charity Name Overall Score Overall Rating
American Red Cross - DC 62.24
City Year - MA 66.92
Civic Ventures - CA 61.06
Habitat for Humanity International - GA 55.51
Points of Light Institute - GA 57.62

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277

[richard]

Yeah and that all can be faked.
NPO's by their very nature, must spend every dime they take in.
So why are they showing an excess of $64,038?

Hey! They can give it to me.

[Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)]

On Sep 30, 7:49 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus0radiodur...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:09501f09-6b0e-470d...@i23g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 30, 12:23 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:pan.2011.09.30....@nowhere.com...
>
> > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:54:36 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
> > >> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote...

> > >>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:35:05 -0700, J wrote:
> > >>>> Earlier this month, state contracts were not renewed with Catholic
> > >>>> Charities after the agency argued that its religious principles do
> > >>>> not
> > >>>> allow it to place children with unmarried or same-sex couples under
> > >>>> Illinois' new civil union act.
>
> > >>> If I am interpreting "Catholicspeak" correctly, Illinois has
> > >>> recognized
> > >>> civil unions as a valid living arrangement, and discrimination against
> > >>> them in placement of foster children is illegal. Catholic Charities
> > >>> intends to continue to discriminate against them, due to their
> > >>> religious
> > >>> beliefs.
>
> > >>> So, CC has stated their intent to violate the law WRT placing orphans
> > >>> in
> > >>> foster homes. It sounds like CC has to change their policy, or get out
> > >>> of the foster care business.
> > >>> Why is this a problem?
>

> > >> It isn't a problem for the Catholic Church. It is a problem for the
> > >> children being forced into fag families.
>
> > > It's a problem for Catholic Charities if they expect the government to
> > > pay
> > > them to break the law.
>
> <>
>
> > They expect nothing of the kind.
> > If Illinois lawmakers wish to allow children to be groomed by fags, so be
> > it.
>
> Gee, these fags[sic] must not be very adept at "grooming",
> since studies show that adopted children raised by
> homosexual couples are no more likely to be gay
> than are children raised by hets.
>
Not that they should be ALLOWED to do so...

Paul

[Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)]

On Oct 1, 7:36 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:52:55 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >> This is not true. I , (an atheist), send $20 every month to a Catholic
> >> charity in SF that provides a home for downs syndrome people who have
> >> been abandoned by their families virtually all of the money goes to the
> >> people living there. The only way you could tell its a Catholic charity
> >> is because the person in charge is a nun. The president of the American
> >> Red Cross, gets hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salery.
> >The nun, prayers several times per day, and a crucifix in every room.
> >Hundreds of thousands. Wow. I wonder what it costs to support the
> >lifestyle of a Catholic Bishop these days
>
> Next to nothing.  If you had looked, you would have seen that.
>
> > and how much more for a
> >Cardinal. When the Pope's bored with living in his palaces in Vatican
> >City he heads to Castle Gandolfo for a change of pace.
>
> It's nice to pray all day in a new locale.  The only thing the Pope owns are
> some Prada shoes given to him - by Prada.
>

Thus giving Prada a free pass to Heaven?


Paul

[Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)]

On Sep 30, 6:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>
> We help too many of the needy.  

So you admit Catholics should be more restrictive of whom they help?


Paul

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 30, 5:59 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Father Haskell wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 5:12 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Budikka666 wrote:
> >>> On Sep 29, 5:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical
> >>>> liberal knee-jerk reaction to the long standing practice of
> >>>> Catholic Charities placing the welfare of children above political
> >>>> correctness. It seems these same liberals always place their own
> >>>> agenda above anything that may actually help a child grow-up to be
> >>>> a normal, functional adult.
>
> >>> Which would definitely not be the Catholic church, authoritarian,
> >>> based in mythology, and rife with child rapists as it is.
>
> >>> But the real issue here is where is your god? Why isn't he stepping
> >>> up? Wasn't it your fictional Jesus who said "Suffer little children
> >>> to come unto me"? So why is it more like "Little Children suffer"?
> >>> Once again your god is absent.
>
> >>> And once again you floored your mouth without turning on the
> >>> ignition first.
>
> >>> But what's really intriguing is why you're posting this to
> >>> alt.abortion since this has nothing to do with abortion. Are you now
> >>> openly admitting that these children would have been *better off
> >>> aborted*, J Young? That's quite a turn-around. Or is it just that
> >>> you're a worthless, attention-seeking spam artist? If you have your
> >>> god to rely on, why are you so desperate for attention that you're
> >>> willing to post any crap to Usenet? Or are you admitting there is no
> >>> god and that's precisely why you come running to us when you get
> >>> lonely and have those naughty thoughts?
>
> >>> Budikka
>
> >> If asking the question, "Where is your God when he is most needed?"
> >> is flooring ones mouth without turning on the ignition, then please
> >> count me in too. I have been asking this question all of my life and
> >> I am 76 years old. A typewriter, tossed from the roof oa a 100 story
> >> office building, has as much chance of hitting a child on the
> >> sidewalk below as it does the nearby trash can. Only the percentage
> >> of the sidewalks surface occluded by both these items enters into
> >> the equation. Tell me. Just where the Hell is your god anyway? He
> >> sure hasn't ever done anything at all during my lifetime. Nothing
> >> good. Nothing bad. IOW, he might as well not exist at all. And
> >> that's exactly the conclusion I have drawn. He doesn't exist. Why
> >> the hell do you believe in something that doesn't exist? This is the
> >> thinking of a maniac, and not any reasonable person. Do you also
> >> believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy?
>
> > I'll bet if either Santa or the Tooth Fairy used threats of
> > Hell, he would.
>
> Yes. His heaven is full of sheep who say they, "love" their god because they
> are scared to death of him. They love him like the Soviets loved Stalin.
> Liked raped women "love" their attackers. They confuse abject terror with
> love. And the funny part is, they believe he can't be fooled. That he knows
> whether you really love him or not. So they go to church and keep repeating
> over and over, "We love you, God." Like that's going to change anything.
> And, through it all, the world keeps churning along, with millions of
> helpless creatures freezing and starving to death every Winter, and
> earthquakes and tornados killing the innocent right along with everybody
> else, while these idiots are crawling and mumbling their prayers on the
> floors of their churches and synagogs and temples all to no avail.
>     You'd think that they would just go out in the field and feed some
> starving animal next Sunday instead of going to church. That would make
> about 1000 times more sense....

No wonder god behaves like a miserable old prick.

[Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)]

On Oct 1, 7:31 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT), Conan the bacterium
>

> <deinococcus0radiodur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
> >> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
> >> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
> >I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
> >contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>
> Good, you're going to make a good Christian and Roman Catholic..

Useless as that may be...

>
> >How much do you send, Duke?
>
> I give time, talent, and treasure which God asks of us.
>

In other words, no cash...that's just for the Tea Party.

Paul

{

[Patrick]

"Paul Duca (tomser...@comcast.net)" <paul....@gmail.com> wrote in
message
news:95bf9760-c97f-4069...@j1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

-------------------

Many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged
to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a homosexual
identity and lifestyle. Gay activists dismiss such concerns -- in part, by
strenuously insisting that there is no connection between homosexuality and
the sexual abuse of children.

However, despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay
lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the
two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted
to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners,
the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek
adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. In this paper we will consider
the following evidence linking homosexuality to pedophilia:

Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are
committed by men.

http://njiat.com/media/Homosexuality%20and%20Child%20Sexual%20Abuse.pdf

[Bill Graham]

Yes. The big charity biz is just that.....A business. You can live like a
king, with a huge expense account, and pay yourself and all your buddies a
huge salery. But as long as you distribute whatever peanuts that are left
over the the poor, you are home free.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <R9KdnUt7rteAPxrT...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

>Pedophiles are invariably males: ...

** In my family we had one who was female. She was molested by her
alcoholic father when she was 2-3 years old. Her father died of ethanol
poisoning.

[Ray Fischer]

Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>>>@cox.net says...
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven
>>>>> <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You
>>>>> yourself are
>>>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>>
>>>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>>>>money.
>>>
>>>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
>>
>> Lack of cite noted.
>
> Name Overall Score Overall Rating
> Catholic Charities USA - VA 60.36

That's not from the IRS.

It's also not as good as the American Red Cross and it's not the
Catholic Church. They spend more of people's money on themselves than
does the Red Cross, with "Administrative Expenses" more than double
that of the Red Cross.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10656

[deadrat]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:

>
> "Paul Duca (tomser...@comcast.net)" <paul....@gmail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:95bf9760-c97f-4069...@j1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 30, 7:49 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> "Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus0radiodur...@gmail.com> wrote in

>> messagenews:09501f09-6b0e-470d-889e-
cd4038...@i23g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

"Many"? Could we have a cite to back this up? Besides "many" people believe
many foolish things.

> Gay activists dismiss such concerns -- in part, by
> strenuously insisting that there is no connection between homosexuality and
> the sexual abuse of children.

> However, despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay
> lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the
> two.

Would that connection be in your imagination? Because that doesn't count.

> This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted
> to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners,
> the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek
> adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.

What evidence?

> In this paper we will consider
> the following evidence linking homosexuality to pedophilia:
>
> Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are
> committed by men.
>
> http://njiat.com/media/Homosexuality%20and%20Child%20Sexual%20Abuse.pdf

Most pedophiles are males, but most males are not homosexual.

[Alan Ferris]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:35:43 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.)
wrote:

What do you expect from a New Jersey group trying to push their "lies"
as truth....reality?

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <ucag879ihtfjlafrr...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris

** Jersey/Joyesee groups are different ?

[Patrick]

". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
news:rL-011011...@10.0.1.4...

Obviously not soon enough.

[Patrick]

"richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:1r7mmd6okmqkk.1...@40tude.net...

How about if they save it in savings to start the next year....
Like most other organizations....

[Dakota]

The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy literally
lives like a king.

[duke]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:25:34 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>In article <64ud87tpg3jf2sf0f...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>@cox.net says...

>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>> >@cox.net says...
>> >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>> >>
>> >> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
>> >> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>
>> >You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>> >money.
>>
>> According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
>>

>> That leaves you as the one living in the sewer.
>>
>The bulk of "Charity" money the "Church" collects goes to salaries,
>upkeep, and most of the rest is sent to the Vatican to support a very
>fine lifestyle.

Haahaahaa!!! What salaries? I know you are an idiot, but I didn't think you
were that big an idiot.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[duke]

On 01 Oct 2011 18:56:31 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>>@cox.net says...
>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>>
>>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You yourself are
>>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>
>>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>>>money.
>>
>>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.

>Lack of cite noted.

If it doesn't, the Church priests must eat it.

[duke]

On 02 Oct 2011 02:29:31 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>>>>@cox.net says...
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven
>>>>>> <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You
>>>>>> yourself are
>>>>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>>>
>>>>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>>>>>money.
>>>>
>>>>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
>>>
>>> Lack of cite noted.
>>
>> Name Overall Score Overall Rating
>> Catholic Charities USA - VA 60.36
>
>That's not from the IRS.

Well, write the IRS and ask them for their own copy.

>It's also not as good as the American Red Cross and it's not the
>Catholic Church. They spend more of people's money on themselves than
>does the Red Cross, with "Administrative Expenses" more than double
>that of the Red Cross.

It's better than the ARC and United Way.

> http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277
> http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10656

[duke]

On 01 Oct 2011 18:56:57 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:03:59 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <a9f8f325-694c-42e8-83f6-
>>>28b3f4...@k34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>>>deinococcus...@gmail.com says...

>>>> On Sep 30, 3:55 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>>>> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>

>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>> >
>>>> > We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
>>>> > speaking with satan's tongue.
>>>>

>>>> I, an atheist, most often send my disaster relief
>>>> contributions to Catholic Relief Services.
>>>>

>>>> How much do you send, Duke?
>>>>

>>>> conan
>>>>
>>>You'd have better luck with the American Red Cross. Their "overhead" is
>>>a lot lower and a lot more reaches the people in need.
>>
>>Is that why they were investigated for non-help after 911?
>
>Lack of cite noted.

Your daddy doesn't let you watch the news yet?

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Investigation_finds_Red_Cross_agreed_to_withhold_New_Orleans_aid_operates_in_tandem_with_Home_0913.html
Investigation finds Red Cross agreed to withhold Orleans aid, operates in tandem
with Homeland Security
Jennifer Van Bergen
Top Red Cross official Bush appointee, donor
New information surrounding relief efforts by the American Red Cross in New
Orleans raises questions about whether the organization provided adequate relief
and whether funds are actually being directed to Katrina victims, RAW STORY has
found.
Previous investigations have shown that the Red Cross mishandled its 9/11 fund,
attempting to divert more than half into a "war fund" before Congress
intervened, and moved $20 million from a fund in 1989 for earthquake victims
towards other uses.

[deadrat]

J <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:

>
>
> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois

This isn't a new policy. It's called insisting on compliance with state
law.

> is a typical liberal
> knee-jerk reaction to the long standing practice of Catholic Charities
> placing the welfare of children above political correctness.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! The "long standing practice" of the Catholic
Church in protecting "the welfare of children"!

Meh.

> It seems
> these same liberals always place their own agenda above anything that
> may actually help a child grow-up to be a normal, functional adult.

Children raised by homosexual parents routinely grow up to be "normal,
functional adults."

> If they aren't advocating killing these children in the womb,

There are no children in wombs. Children, by definition, have passed though
the birth canal. There are no people who "advocate" abortion; just those
who want to leave to women the decision to carry a child to term.

> they are
> pushing for these same kids to become homos, or at least teaching them
> that being a homo is normal and acceptable.

Children do not catch homosexuality from adults. I've known many
homosexuals, all of them perfectly acceptable human beings. Doesn't your god
have something to say about judging others? Why aren't you listening?

> Catholic Charities has always been a standard bearer of decency and
> should not be punished for setting high standards for adoption and
> foster care.

Catholic Charities must comply with state law like everybody else.

> Once again, Catholic-bashing rears its' ugly face.

Once again, religious nuts demand special treatment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1446812
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Catholic Charities says it will continue battling the state of Illinois
> over its adoption and foster care contracts, as the organization plans
> to appeal the most recent court decision that favors the state's bid to
> punish the agency for not allowing homosexuals to adopt.
>
>
> Thomas More Society attorney Peter Breen says the state could allow an
> appeals process to proceed without disrupting the children's lives.
> However, he suspects an ulterior motive.
>
>
> "The state of Illinois is moving rapidly to try to take the children
> away from Catholic Charities. The only reason we can see [for] why ...
> Illinois is trying to take these kids away quickly is ... in an attempt
> to scuttle the Catholic Charities legal case," Breen suggests.
>
>
> His organization is urgently appealing to the Fourth District Appellate
> Court for a stay, because time is running out on preventing the
> consequences that Catholic Charities is on track to facing, particularly
> the transition of moving the children to other foster-care providers.
>
>
> "If a stay is unable to be obtained, then Catholic Charities will be
> driven out of foster care and adoption. This is an egg that you can't
> unbreak," the attorney warns.

[Patrick]

"Dakota" <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote ...

> The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
> head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy literally
> lives like a king.

Like what king?
He lives in an apartment.
He performs work like a mayor of a small city.

[Bill Graham]

Ichimusai wrote:

> richard <mem...@newsguy.com> writes:
>
>> don't know about the money hand out angle, but the director of red
>> cross gets paid $400,000 a year. Now where do you suppose that money
>> comes from if red cross is a charity?
>

> Still far from "millions". Well paid perhaps but maybe this director
> actually does a very good job?

Perhaps, but it doesn't speak much for his assistant directors and
secretaries and etc, and etc. The fact remains that a significant portion of
the money they take in goes to expenses, and only a small portion actually
gets into the hands of the people who need it. This is not the case with
many smaller, "mom & pop" charities that exist all over this country. While
it is true that the churches are sometimes very kind to their leaders, they
do not, as a general rule, insist that all their charities pay for
themselves. They support many charities with the money they take in from
other places. The helpers homes for the mentally retarded in San Francisco
is such a charity. None of the people who work there are paid a salery. -
They are all volunteers. And, there are many such charities all over this
country. You should find one that you sympathize with, and support it.

[Bill Graham]

That may be, but I know many Catholics who don't pay much attention to the
Pope. Especially in this country. The American Catholic church is in many
ways, divorced from the Roman Catholic Church, and their charities do good
things and operate very efficiently. - As do the Jewish charities that
helped the people in Sri Lanka after their earthquake, and those in Haiti
also.

[Ray Fischer]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On 02 Oct 2011 02:29:31 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>>>>>@cox.net says...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven
>>>>>>> <andre...@yahoo.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk...@liar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We help too many of the needy. It's a call of love from God. You
>>>>>>> yourself are
>>>>>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>>>>>
>>>>>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
>>>>>>money.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
>>>>
>>>> Lack of cite noted.
>>>
>>> Name Overall Score Overall Rating
>>> Catholic Charities USA - VA 60.36
>>
>>That's not from the IRS.
>
>Well, write the IRS and ask them for their own copy.

Don't need to since it doesn't exist. As usual, almost everything you
write is a complete lie.

[Ray Fischer]

Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>"Dakota" <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote ...
>
>> The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
>> head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy literally
>> lives like a king.
>
>Like what king?
>He lives in an apartment.

Try not to be such a pathetic toady.

>He performs work like a mayor of a small city.

You shouldn't lie so obviously.

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

news:4e88b28b$0$1707$742e...@news.sonic.net...

> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>"Dakota" <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote ...
>>
>>> The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
>>> head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy literally
>>> lives like a king.
>>
>>Like what king?
>>He lives in an apartment.
>
> Try not to be such a pathetic toady.
>
>>He performs work like a mayor of a small city.
>
> You shouldn't lie so obviously.

Prove me wrong, ass-wipe.

[Ray Fischer]

1) He's the head of state. A national leader. Mayors don't routinely
visit other heads of state.
2) He's a dictator not subject to votes from citizens. Mayors are
elected.
3) He's the head of a church which has a billion members.
4) The church assets are vastly greater than any small city's.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <89udnR8P2Pv7yxXT...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

** indeed. the good die young.

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

news:4e88dbbd$0$1719$742e...@news.sonic.net...

> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

>>>>> The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
>>>>> head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy
>>>>> literally
>>>>> lives like a king.
>>>>
>>>>Like what king?
>>>>He lives in an apartment.
>>>
>>> Try not to be such a pathetic toady.
>>>
>>>>He performs work like a mayor of a small city.
>>>
>>> You shouldn't lie so obviously.
>>
>>Prove me wrong, ass-wipe.
>
> 1) He's the head of state. A national leader. Mayors don't routinely
> visit other heads of state.
> 2) He's a dictator not subject to votes from citizens. Mayors are
> elected.
> 3) He's the head of a church which has a billion members.
> 4) The church assets are vastly greater than any small city's.

Many misconceptions surround the pope and what exactly his duties are. The
pope is the head of the Catholic Church, and also acts as a political figure
as the head of state of the Vatican city. He is meant to act as the main
spokesperson of the Catholic Church, and maintain relations with the rest of
the world, both religious and political. He also has many other duties that
must be attended to on a day to day basis
The pope himself is the leader not only of the Catholic Church, but of the
Vatican. The Vatican is the home of the highest rulers in the papacy, and is
the smallest independent nation in the world. It handles many foreign affair
issues, and in the past it has done its best to provide peace and aid to the
rest of the world. The pope acts as the diplomat for this small nation, and
he does everything he can to promote the ideals of the Catholic Church on a
worldwide basis.

(1) As the supreme teacher of the Church, whose it is to prescribe what is
to be believed by all the faithful, and to take measures for the
preservation and the propagation of the faith, the following are the rights
which pertain to the pope:

a.. it is his to set forth creeds, and to determine when and by whom an
explicit profession of faith shall be made (cf. Council of Trent, Sess. 24,
cc. 1 and 12);
b.. it is his to prescribe and to command books for the religious
instruction of the faithful; thus, for example, Clement XIII has recommended
the Roman Catechism to all the bishops.
c.. The pope alone can establish a university, possessing the status and
privileges of a canonically erected Catholic university;
d.. to him also belongs the direction of Catholic missions throughout the
world; this charge is fulfilled through the Congregation of the Propaganda.
e.. It is his to prohibit the reading of such books as are injurious to
faith or morals, and to determine the conditions on which certain classes of
books may be issued by Catholics;
f.. his is the condemnation of given propositions as being either
heretical or deserving of some minor degree of censure, and lastly
g.. he has the right to interpret authentically the natural law. Thus, it
is his to say what is lawful or unlawful in regard to social and family
life, in regard to the practice of usury, etc.
(2) With the pope's office of supreme teacher are closely connected his
rights in regard to the worship of God: for it is the law of prayer that
fixes the law of belief. In this sphere very much has been reserved to the
sole regulation of the Holy See. Thus

a.. the pope alone can prescribe the liturgical services employed in the
Church. If a doubt should occur in regard to the ceremonial of the liturgy,
a bishop may not settle the point on his own authority, but must have
recourse to Rome. The Holy See likewise prescribes rules in regard to the
devotions used by the faithful, and in this way checks the growth of what is
novel and unauthorized.
b.. At the present day the institution and abrogation of festivals which
was till a comparatively recent time free to all bishops as regards their
own dioceses, is reserved to Rome.
c.. The solemn canonization of a saint is proper to the pope. Indeed it is
commonly held that this is an exercise of the papal infallibility.
Beatification and every permission for the public veneration of any of the
servants of God is likewise reserved to his decision.
d.. He alone gives to anyone the privilege of a private chapel where Mass
may be said.
e.. He dispenses the treasury of the Church, and the grant of plenary
indulgences is reserved to him. While he has no authority in regard to the
substantial rites of the sacraments, and is bound to preserve them as they
were given to the Church by Christ and His Apostles, certain powers in their
regard belong to him;
f.. he can give to simple priests the power to confirm, and to bless the
oil of the sick and the oil of catechumens, and
g.. he can establish diriment and impedient impediments to matrimony.
(3) The legislative power of the pope carries with it the following rights:

a.. he can legislate for the whole Church, with or without the assistance
of a general council;
b.. if he legislates with the aid of a council it is his to convoke it, to
preside, to direct its deliberations, to confirm its acts.
c.. He has full authority to interpret, alter, and abrogate both his own
laws and those established by his predecessors. He has the same plenitude of
power as they enjoyed, and stands in the same relation to their laws as to
those which he himself has decreed;
d.. he can dispense individuals from the obligation of all purely
ecclesiastical laws, and can grant privileges and exemptions in their
regard.
e.. In this connection may be mentioned his power to dispense from vows
where the greater glory of God renders it desirable. Considerable powers of
dispensation are granted to bishops, and, in a restricted measure, also to
priests; but there are some vows reserved altogether to the Holy See.
(4) In virtue of his supreme judicial authority

a.. causae majores are reserved to him. By this term are signified cases
dealing with matters of great moment, or those in which personages of
eminent dignity are concerned.
b.. His appellate jurisdiction has been discussed in the previous section.
It should, however, be noted
c.. that the pope has full right, should he see fit, to deal even with
causae minores in the first instance, and not merely by reason of an appeal
(Trent, Sess. XXIV; cap. 20). In what concerns punishment,
d.. he can inflict censures either by judicial sentence or by general laws
which operate without need of such sentence.
e.. He further reserves certain cases to his own tribunal. All cases of
heresy come before the Congregation of the Inquisition. A similar
reservation covers the cases in which a bishop or a reigning prince is the
accused party.
(5) As the supreme governor of the Church the pope has authority over all
appointments to its public offices. Thus

a.. it is his to nominate to bishoprics, or, where the nomination has been
conceded to others, to give confirmation. Further, he alone can translate
bishops from one see to another, can accept their resignation, and can,
where grave cause exists, sentence to deprivation.
b.. He can establish dioceses, and can annul a previously existing
arrangement in favour of a new one. Similarly, he alone can erect cathedral
and collegiate chapters.
c.. He can approve new religious orders, and can, if he sees fit, exempt
them from the authority of local ordinaries.
d.. Since his office of supreme ruler imposes on him the duty of enforcing
the canons, it is requisite that he should be kept informed as to the state
of the various dioceses. He may obtain this information by legates or by
summoning the bishops to Rome. At the present day this jus relationum is
exercised through the triennial visit ad limina required of all bishops.
This system was introduced by Sixtus V in 1585 (Constitution, "Rom.
Pontifex"), and confirmed by Benedict XIV in 1740 (Constitution, "Quod
Sancta") .
e.. It is to be further observed that the pope's office of chief ruler of
the Church carries with it jure divino the right to free intercourse with
the pastors and the faithful. The placitum regium, by which this intercourse
was limited and impeded, was therefore an infringement of a sacred right,
and as such was solemnly condemned by the Vatican Council (Constitution,
"Pastor Aeternus", cap. iii). To the pope likewise belongs the supreme
administration of the goods of the Church.
f.. He alone can, where there is just cause, alienate any considerable
quantity of such property. Thus, e.g., Julius III, at the time of the
restoration of religion in England under Queen Mary validated the title of
those laymen who had acquired Church lands during the spoliations of the
previous reigns.
g.. The pope has further the right to impose taxes on the clergy and the
faithful for ecclesiastical purposes (cf. Trent, Sess. XXI, cap. iv de
Ref.).

[Dakota]

On 10/2/2011 4:46 PM, Ray Fischer wrote:
> Patrick<bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> "Ray Fischer"<rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> news:4e88b28b$0$1707$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>>> Patrick<bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>> "Dakota"<ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote ...
>>>>
>>>>> The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
>>>>> head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy literally
>>>>> lives like a king.
>>>>
>>>> Like what king?
>>>> He lives in an apartment.
>

An apartment? The Pope has two palaces to call home, you moron.

The Apostolic Palace is the official residence of the Pope, which is
located in Vatican City. It is also known as the Sacred Palace, the
Papal Palace and the Palace of the Vatican. The Vatican itself refers to
the building as the Palace of Sixtus V in honor of Pope Sixtus V.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Palace

The Apostolic Palace of Castel Gandolfo (Palazzo Apostolico di Castel
Gandolfo in Italian), the Pope's summer residence, is a 17th century
building designed by Carlo Maderno for Pope Urban VIII. The papal
palace, and the adjoining Villa Barberini that was added to the complex
by Pius XI have enjoyed extraterritorial rights since the signature of
the 1929 treaty with Italy; the little piazza directly in front was
renamed Piazza della Libertà in the first flush of Italian unity after
1870. The Papal Palace remained unused from 1870 until 1929. Popes Pius
XII (1958) and Paul VI (1978) died at Castel Gandolfo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castel_Gandolfo

>
>>> Try not to be such a pathetic toady.
>>>
>>>> He performs work like a mayor of a small city.
>>>
>>> You shouldn't lie so obviously.
>>
>> Prove me wrong, ass-wipe.
>

Spoken like a True® Catholic.

[Greegor]

On Oct 1, 6:16 am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/1/2011 5:23 AM, Greegor wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Why not switch to the American Red Cross. They provide disaster services
> >> without the baggage of religion and without taking a cut.
>
> > What makes you think that Red Cross doesn't take a cut??
>
> > You must not remember how they got in trouble after
> > 9-11-01 when they hoarded HUGE amounts of
> > cash and didn't pass any out to the needy until
> > Congress had to actually start investigating them.
>
> > THEN they started handing out money.
>
> > Non-Profits can be huge and have upper
> > managers who get paid MILLIONS per
> > year, which sorta makes the whole
> > non-profit status kind of a charade.
>
> Got a cite?

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-11-06/us/rec.charity.hearing_1_liberty-fund-red-cross-relief-agency?_s=PM:US

Red Cross defends handling of Sept. 11 donations
WORLD TRADE CENTER November 06, 2001
Charities swung into action after the September 11 terrorist attacks,
raising more than $1 billion. But questions are being raised about
where and how and how much of that money is being distributed.

Bearing the brunt Tuesday during a hearing of the House Energy and
Commerce Committee's oversight panel was outgoing Red Cross President
Dr. Bernadine Healy.

The Red Cross has raised more than $564 million for the Liberty Fund,
which was set up in response to the attacks on the World Trade Center
and the Pentagon.

While the agency states on its Web site that it is spending more than
any other relief agency responding to the terrorist attacks, it has
distributed only $154 million.

Healy was hammered by one New York official for the Red Cross'
decision to put aside nearly half of the money raised for future needs
that may include terrorist attacks.

"I see the Red Cross, which has raised hundreds of millions of dollars
that was intended by the donating public to be used for the victims of
September 11 -- I see those funds being sequestered into long-term
plans for an organization," testified New York Attorney General Eliot
Spitzer.

Healy later told CNN the Red Cross was a service organization and that
previous donations had prepared the agency to deal with September 11.

"We had planned for a weapon of mass destruction attack," she said.
"We knew our obligations under the congressional charter. We knew it
involved victim assistance and sheltering. We knew that it involved
with dealing with rescue workers. We knew that it involved blood."

She also noted that some of the new funding went toward helping
communities learn how to deal with other threats such as anthrax.

The hearing was contentious, with panel members trying to get at the
issue of donor intent and whether the Red Cross misled donors.

"What's at issue here is that a special fund was established for these
families. It was specially funded for this event, September 11," said
Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-Louisiana.

"And it is being closed now because we are told enough money's been
raised in it, but we're also being told, by the way, we're going to
give two-thirds of it away to other Red Cross needs."

The subcommittee asked Healy and her agency to provide the exact
language of all of its television and newspaper appeals for donations.

Healy said what the agency has learned is it needs to explain to the
public the mission of the Red Cross.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Investigation_finds_Red_Cross_agreed_to_withhold_New_Orleans_aid_operates_in_tandem_with_Home_0913.html

Investigation finds Red Cross agreed to withhold Orleans aid, operates
in tandem with Homeland Security
Jennifer Van Bergen


Top Red Cross official Bush appointee, donor

New information surrounding relief efforts by the American Red Cross
in New Orleans raises questions about whether the organization
provided adequate relief and whether funds are actually being directed
to Katrina victims, RAW STORY has found.

Previous investigations have shown that the Red Cross mishandled its
9/11 fund, attempting to divert more than half into a "war fund"
before Congress intervened, and moved $20 million from a fund in 1989

for earthquake victims towards other uses. Allegations of similar
holdbacks following the Oklahoma City bombing and several later
disasters, coupled with the discovery that the Red Cross, mandated by
its Code of Conduct to remain independent of government, is officially
part of the Bush Administration's national security apparatus, led RAW
STORY to dig deeply into the Red Cross and its recent disaster relief
efforts.

Why did the Red Cross not enter New Orleans?

While many were outraged that the Red Cross failed to enter New
Orleans, unsafe conditions and reports of shootings and lootings may
have informed the decision. The Red Cross is not chartered to conduct
search and rescue operations.

We "will not put [our] own workers in harm's way," Red Cross
spokesperson Renita Hosler told RAW STORY.

Hosler explained that the Red Cross was "at the table" with "Emergency
Management" numerous times while conditions deteriorated in New
Orleans and that a decision was reached that if the group set up shop
within the city, it might encourage others to come back, creating a
secondary crisis.

Hosler confirmed that authorities turned down repeated offers by the
Red Cross to enter New Orleans with supplies. New Orleans, she
asserted, was considered too unsafe for the Red Cross to enter.

The Emergency Management Team, Hosler says, was comprised of city,
state, and federal officials.

The Associated Press reported Sept. 8 that Col. Jay Mayeaux, deputy
director of the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security asked the Red
Cross not to enter the city at least for the first 24 hours after the
storm in order to have to time to "set up a feeding station to feed a
large number of people." By Saturday, there was a large-scale
evacuation under way.

New Orleans artist Daniel Finnigan told RAW STORY there were
helicopters everywhere, mostly military.

"That's what confused us," Finnigan said, "there was such a huge
presence of military in the air but nothing on the ground."

Amid reports that thousands were trapped in the Superdome and the
Convention Center, the Red Cross did not distribute or drop supplies
to either location. The group's explanation that its presence would
keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city
mirrors a National Guard decision not to drop food supplies, saying
they did not want to spark riots.

The Red Cross is still not distributing supplies in the city.

Hosler says that although the city is now fully occupied by the
National Guard, the Red Cross remains outside the city and is not
distributing supplies, largely because of the decision to forcibly
evacuate those who remain.

Some residents have been forced to travel at least 17 miles for water.

"Goods that the government personnel are bringing in are for their own
forces," one eyewitness report states. "They are not distributing
provisions to people who desperately need them� Thousands of troops
are in New Orleans but water is premium and still not available."

New Orleans resident and construction worker Mark Klar confirmed this
account.

Klar managed to stay in his Garden District home in until Sept. 7,
when he was handcuffed and forcibly removed by police. Klar's home is
above flooded areas and he was able to gather water and distribute to
those in need, in the absence of relief from officials.

Humanitarian imperatives first?

The Code of Conduct for the International Red Cross and Red Crescent
Movement declares that humanitarian imperatives come first, that "the
prime motivation of our response to disaster is to alleviate human
suffering" and that "the need for unimpeded access to affected
populations is of fundamental importance in exercising that
responsibility."

The Red Cross was incorporated by Congressional Charter in 1905 in
order to "provide volunteer aid in time of war to the sick and wounded
of the armed forces" in accordance with the spirit and conditions of
various treaties, among which were the Geneva Conventions.

Unknown to most Red Cross donors, Congress incorporated the Red Cross
to act "under government supervision" and eight of the fifty members
of the Board Governors are to be appointed by the President, seven of
whom are federal officials.

Though not a government agency, the Red Cross may purchase supplies
from the armed forces and use government buildings for its offices and
storage. Its employees may in some cases be provided meals and housing
while serving with the Army. Commissioned officers of the Army, Navy
and Air Force may be detailed for duty with the Red Cross.

While courts have considered the Red Cross a "government
instrumentality" immune from state taxation, they have not viewed it
as such for purposes of religious discrimination or Freedom of
Information Act claims. In other words, the Red Cross obtains the tax
benefits of being a "government instrumentality," but is exempt from
the obligations that government carries.

One federal court noted that, "Close cooperation with government is
essential to the work of the Red Cross. A perception that the
organization is independent and neutral is equally vital."

The Supreme Court has found that "time and time again, both the
President and the Congress have recognized and acted in reliance upon
the Red Cross' status virtually as an arm of the Government."

Questionable affiliations

In recent years, affiliations between the Red Cross and federal
agencies have grown. Prior to 9/11, the Red Cross was a key
organization in what is known as the Federal Response Plan, enacted in
2000.

The Federal Response Plan could only be triggered by a request for
support by a governor and a declaration of emergency by the President.
In providing relief and assistance under the Act, the President was
given authorization to utilize the personnel and facilities of the Red
Cross and to enter into agreements with it to coordinate disaster
relief efforts.

In 2002, the Federal Response Plan was superseded by the similarly-
named National Response Plan. This Plan was created under the 2002
Homeland Security Act. FEMA and the Red Cross were brought under the
Department of Homeland Security.

The Red Cross again became a signatory.

The National Response Plan "establishes multi-agency coordinating
structures at the field, regional and headquarters levels" which
"execute the responsibilities of the President."

Under the Plan, the Red Cross "provides relief at the local level and
also coordinates the mass care element" to include mass care, disaster
housing, and human services. It is obligated to timely deliver these
resources.

The Red Cross is an active participant and works closely with federal
agencies to formulate disaster responses.

Who runs the Red Cross?

The day-to-day activities of the Red Cross are run independently of
the government. The Board of Governors is, by the Congressional
Charter, the governing body. President Bush has appointed six persons
to the Board.

The Red Cross' leading officers are Bonnie McElveen-Hunter, Chair of
the Board, and Marsha J. Evans, the President and CEO.

McElveen-Hunter was appointed by Bush in June 2004. Her Red Cross bio
says she is the "former U.S. Ambassador to Finland (2001-2003) and the
CEO and owner of Pace Communications, Inc., the largest private custom
publishing company in the United States. The company's clients include
such Fortune 500 companies as United Airlines, Delta Air Lines, AT&T,
Carlson Hotels, and Toyota."

McElveen-Hunter donated more than $230,000 to the Republican Party
since 2000, RAW STORY has found. Her largest donations were $25,000 to
the Republican National Committee in April 2004 and $200,000 in July
2000. In May 2000, she gave $2000 to "Bush for President, Inc."

Marsha J. Evans, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Red
Cross, is a Rear Admiral in the Navy and the Director of Lehman
Brothers Holdings, Inc., a global investment bank serving the
financial needs of corporations, institutions, governments and high-
net-worth investors worldwide, according to the corporation's web
site. Evans also sits on the boards of the May Department Stores
Company and Weight Watchers International and was recently elected to
the board of the Huntsman Corporation, a large chemical and plastics
manufacturer. She is also a presidential appointee to the Board of
Visitors of the U.S. Military Academy.

Evans donated $500 to the Republican National Committee in 2004.

Red Cross mishandling donations?

As of Sept. 11, 2005, the American Red Cross estimated that it had
received $578 million in gifts and pledges for the Hurricane Katrina
relief effort.

During previous disaster relief efforts, however, the Red Cross has
withheld funds intended for victims and placed them into a reserve
fund for future use, including for what one Red Cross president
described as a �war fund."

The Red Cross has repeatedly been cited for poor handling of donations
for disaster victims. Some have even referred accused them of "bait-
and-switch fund raising."

An investigation by the House Energy and Commerce Committee's
oversight panel after 9/11 revealed that while pledging that 9/11
donations (minus overhead) would all go to victims, the Red Cross held
back more than half of the $543 million it had raised.

The Red Cross says they funneled these monies to prepare for terrorist
attacks.

"We had planned for a weapon of mass destruction attack," former Red
Cross President Dr. Bernadine Healy said, saying funds were diverted
to a "Liberty Fund."

"The Liberty Fund is a war fund," Healy added.

During the oversight panel's hearings, Representative Bill Tauzin (R-
LA), declared: "What's at issue here is that a special fund was
established for these families. It was specially funded for this
event, September 11. And it is being closed now because we are told
enough money's been raised in it, but we're also told, by the way,
we're going to give two-thirds of it away to other Red Cross needs."

The subcommittee asked the Red Cross to provide the exact language of
its television and newspapers appeals for donations to determine
whether it had intentionally deceived the public. The Red Cross
responded by refocusing the Liberty Fund back to meeting the needs of
9/11 relief.

Red Cross holdbacks were also evident after the 1989 earthquake in San
Francisco, where it was alleged that the Red Cross turned over to
victims only $20 million of the $50 million raised, keeping the
difference for future disasters and organizational expansion.
According to one researcher, critics also protested holdbacks
following the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, Red River flooding in
1997 and a San Diego fire in 2001.

Red Cross spokesperson Janine Moss says the organization has always
had two ways to contribute. People may contribute to a specific relief
fund (such as the Katrina Relief Fund) or to a general Disaster Relief
Fund.

Moss told RAW STORY that the Red Cross has always had these options
but that the 9/11 hearings brought the issue out into the open more.
According to Moss, all Katrina-designated donations to the Red Cross
will be used only for Katrina victims.

Moss said she was uncertain how funds obtained through supermarkets
and other local donation boxes would be used.

[Olrik]

Looks like a club a child would invent, with "rules" just slightly more
complicated than a DVD rental store.

[Ray Fischer]

Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>
>>>>>> The fact that some charities are scams does not mean all are. The only
>>>>>> head of a charity who lives like a king is the Pope. That guy
>>>>>> literally
>>>>>> lives like a king.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like what king?
>>>>>He lives in an apartment.
>>>>
>>>> Try not to be such a pathetic toady.
>>>>
>>>>>He performs work like a mayor of a small city.
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't lie so obviously.
>>>
>>>Prove me wrong, ass-wipe.
>>
>> 1) He's the head of state. A national leader. Mayors don't routinely
>> visit other heads of state.
>> 2) He's a dictator not subject to votes from citizens. Mayors are
>> elected.
>> 3) He's the head of a church which has a billion members.
>> 4) The church assets are vastly greater than any small city's.
>
>Many misconceptions surround the pope and what exactly his duties are.

Many lies come from fanatical religibots.

> The
>pope is the head of the Catholic Church,

How many members?

> and also acts as a political figure
>as the head of state of the Vatican city.

"head of state"

Q.E.D.

[Mike Lovell]

On 2011-10-03, Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
> Many misconceptions surround the pope and what exactly his duties are.

> [...]

I feel I must point out, again, that you are posting this to
alt.atheism. Ergo we don't care what the popes duties are, about the
pope in general or the religion he pushes.

Many misconceptions surround the amount of tentacles (noodles) the
spaghetti monster has, it has been proposed that he has an infinite
amount of them, and can generate unlimited pasta sauce to keep them
moist.

--
Jews, Christians & Muslims
The content of your posts will show how much you
really believe God is looking over your shoulder

[Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)]

On Oct 2, 9:44 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 01 Oct 2011 18:56:31 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>
> >duke  <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:00 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>In article <eu7b87li7m0nklqh37mdsakbc1eoqs4...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >>>@cox.net says...
> >>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT), Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
> >>>> wrote:

>
> >>>> >On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jerk-L...@liar.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> >Nothing sane. Get help. You're nuts.
>
> >>>> We help too many of the needy.  It's a call of love from God.  You yourself are
> >>>> speaking with satan's tongue.
>
> >>>You and your sewer of a church help only yourselves to other people's
> >>>money.
>
> >>According to the IRS, the money goes to help the needy.
> >Lack of cite noted.
>

> If it doesn't, the Church priests must eat it...although it's not as tasty as boy weenie.

[duke]

So you have no basis then for the comment you made.

[Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)]

On Oct 1, 7:28 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Paul Duca (tomservo56...@comcast.net)" <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:95bf9760-c97f-4069...@j1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are
> committed by men.
>


I'm glad I'm not a pathetic old man obsessed with child sex....


Paul

[Gordon Burditt]

[ quote "slightly" edited ]

> Many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged

> to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a heterosexual
> identity and lifestyle. Breeder activists dismiss such concerns -- in part, by
> strenuously insisting that there is no connection between heterosexuality and

> the sexual abuse of children.
>

> However, despite efforts by heterosexual activists to distance the breeder

> lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the

> two. This is because, by definition, male heterosexuals are sexually attracted
> to women. While many heterosexuals may not seek young sexual partners,
> the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of breeder men seek
> adolescent females or girls as sexual partners. In this paper we will consider
> the following evidence linking heterosexuality to pedophilia:

>
> Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are
> committed by men.

The obvious conclusion from this is that children should be raised
by lesbians. There won't be men around. One problem: there aren't
enough lesbians.

Additional evidence from that well-known and well-respected scientific
documentary, "South Park", indicates that the people most likely to abduct
children are their own parents.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <0tidnXdsnKOIfxbT...@posted.internetamerica>,

gordon...@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:

>[ quote "slightly" edited ]
>> Many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged
>> to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a heterosexual
>> identity and lifestyle. Breeder activists dismiss such concerns -- in
part, by
>> strenuously insisting that there is no connection between
heterosexuality and
>> the sexual abuse of children.
>>
>> However, despite efforts by heterosexual activists to distance the breeder
>> lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the
>> two. This is because, by definition, male heterosexuals are sexually
attracted
>> to women. While many heterosexuals may not seek young sexual partners,
>> the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of breeder men seek
>> adolescent females or girls as sexual partners. In this paper we will
consider
>> the following evidence linking heterosexuality to pedophilia:
>>
>> Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are
>> committed by men.
>
>The obvious conclusion from this is that children should be raised
>by lesbians. There won't be men around. One problem: there aren't
>enough lesbians.

• In my family we had a lesbian aunt who diddled boys.

>
>Additional evidence from that well-known and well-respected scientific
>documentary, "South Park", indicates that the people most likely to abduct
>children are their own parents.

• and in second place we have the Lolitas of the world.

[Bounder]

On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> This new policy instituted by the state of Illinois is a typical liberal

> knee-jerk reaction to the long standing practice of Catholic Charities
> placing the welfare of children above political correctness.

The above is religious propaganda.

The Catholic Church had its 30 million in charitable funding yanked by
the State of Illinois because the Church failed to RESPECT the state's
civil code in the matter of unwed couples. Instead the Church held
it's own moral views above state law and acted in it's own interest,
with the public's money. The charitable funding should rightly go to
an organization capable of respecting the law. There will be no
shortage of charitable funding and caring for the needy. The money
should go to an organization that can be trusted to operate in the
pubic interest, and not in the interest of some religious claptrap
imported from Italy.

<snip>

[Patrick]

"Paul Duca (tomser...@comcast.net)"

I'm glad I'm not a pathetic old man obsessed with child sex....

+ So are my kids and grandkids.

[Bill Graham]

Nonsense! I amfree to give my money to whomever I want. If they don't use
it to do my bidding, then I will stop giving it. - Unlike taxes, which I
have to give in spite of the fact that my government blows it into space
and/or spends it on things that I have no use for. No. I will continue to
support whatever charity I like, and the government can just butt out!

[deadrat]

Dontcha just hate it when the gummint spends money on the CDC, the NIH, the
Coast Guard, the Interstate Highway System, the Patent Office, ....

> No. I will continue to
> support whatever charity I like, and the government can just butt out!

Relax, the government has no interest in what charities you support. If the
charities don't meet IRS guidelines, then you can't take a tax deduction for
your contributions. But you can support whatever benighted causes you want.

[Bounder]

I'm sure no one cares what you do with your money. Please pay
attention to the LEGAL reason why the state yanked 30 million in
public funding for charity traditionally administered by the Catholic
Church, and turned to non religious organization instead. Catholic
morals (doctrine) is incompatible with the state's civil code.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/11/illinois-catholic-chariti_0_n_957461.html

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:33:24 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>"Paul Duca (tomser...@comcast.net)"
>
>I'm glad I'm not a pathetic old man obsessed with child sex....
>
>+ So are my kids and grandkids.
>

But who fathered your kids and grandkids?

http://www.facebook.com/melanie.berkmen (Nee Barker)

"I've been seeing this woman from Ohio named Melanie Barker for a
couple of months. She's been acting funny lately, like she's hiding
something. A friend of mine told me she was married to a guy named
Randall Ball. Does anybody know her? Can anybody tell me if she's
married, or is my friend just giving me sh!t for fun? I love her and I
really need to know."
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oneida-tn/THNMJD50TE657AMMM

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:52:19 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
wrote:

You are thick. Nobody is stopping the charity having funds from
private sources. However if it wants funds from the government then
it has to follow the laws and rules accompanying that money. The
charity decided it preferred its beliefs and so the money was
withdrawn, NOBODY has stopped it receiving donations. But obviously
none of you give it enough to survive without government help.

--
Ferrit

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