Re: [Mind's Eye] Karma
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Subject: [Mind's Eye] Karma
There is no karma; some are just born lucky, some unlucky. The belief
that our present life is because of our actions in past lives is a
fallacy. If there is great difference among individuals, whether
genetic or environmental, it is just plain luck. A cow is a cow and a
dog is a dog because that's life. I was not before birth and I will
not be after death. It is better to accept that we are mortals than to
have imaginary notions of immortality. We will not live in heaven or
hell hereafter, we will simply die and cease to be. Just as the
universe came to be and is progressing according to laws of physics ,
chemistry , etc. we came to be and progress according to laws of
biology, psychology, sociology , etc. Just as matter has properties we
beings have nature which is the result of our genetic endowments as
nurtured by the environment. It is this nature which may be called
personality which determines our actions.
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edward mason
of .5 truth .5 lie. Once formed, its foundations will sustain
religions.
Your information seems limited even of this plain of existence-Earth.
So, for me to rely upon your observation would prove faulty wisdom.
The other 9 worlds I would be unaware of. Then my existence here on
earth couldn't be so bright either, so I would imagine. How could it
be that I could love myself if I did not know myself? Simply saying
that 'you were never here before and will never be here again' , do
you think give substance to either? What if there are advantages to be
had from a knowledge of much, much more? If you feel what you said to
be true, then why are you even reaching out to any of the rest of us?
You looking for company to go nowhere? Or do you have something hide
somewhere that you don't want anyone to find? Maybe you feel that
lonely soul inside begging to be fed.
ornamentalmind
http://hhdl.dharmakara.net/hhdlquotes22.html
A fairly basic presentation by HHDL of the 4 noble truths including
simple karmic notions:
http://www.lamayeshe.com/index.php?sect=article&id=380
A more involved and lengthy presentation for those so interested:
http://www.lamayeshe.com/index.php?sect=article&id=413
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fiddler
to bow to each that might exist? This is a good example of why I see
no reason to give credence to any form of any god. Each god is a
construct of each person. It is no exaggeration to say that you do not
worship the god of your father, you do not even worship the god of
your youth (provided you spent any time reflecting and didn't merely
swallow everything the priest told you to).
The one, karma, mana, great spirits, etc., they all serve the same
purpose. And each of them has, as do thousands of gods, a person or
group to proclaim their existence and ability to do ____ for you.
As with Pascal's wager, You must live for and worship all in order to
offend none unduly, or worship none and thus offend none more than
another. It's all bollocks.
Slip Disc
Slip Disc
name perhaps. Of course you have simply come to numerous conclusions
for your self and try to pass them off as truths from the great
teacher. Still they remain as simple musings without any substance
other than opinion and imaginary notions similar to the concept of the
one. I'm sure you can develop a following.
edward mason
that rules in gravity arranging for any one of to be slammed to the
underlying surface if we leap from any height absant interveintion.
With the laws controlling in fire, water, the air, it's all the same.
When we venture into their worlds we abode by their laws. Does that
mean that we've changed gods every time we were required to give
obdience as subjects before a master. Still, we're discussing elements
common to earth and you are having some difficulty in keeping up. How
can you bring yourself to ask me about one more world much less 9?
You're concerned about me and ten gods, and I'm concerned about you
and one God.
rigsy03
patterns to life so we can make sense out of nonsense.
On Jan 12, 10:19 pm, gwilliamsn...@aol.com wrote:
Pat
On 12 Jan, 18:25, RP <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no karma; some are just born lucky, some unlucky. The belief
> that our present life is because of our actions in past lives is a
> fallacy. If there is great difference among individuals, whether
> genetic or environmental, it is just plain luck. A cow is a cow and a
> dog is a dog because that's life. I was not before birth and I will
> not be after death. It is better to accept that we are mortals than to
> have imaginary notions of immortality. We will not live in heaven or
> hell hereafter, we will simply die and cease to be.
Do you accept this as your conjecture or as proven fact? If the
latter, by what evidence? Couldn't karma just be another way of
stating Newton's third law of motion (given the proposition that a
'body in motion' could be a spiritual body as well as a physical
body)?
Chris Jenkins
There is no karma; some are just born lucky, some unlucky. The belief
that our present life is because of our actions in past lives is a
fallacy. If there is great difference among individuals, whether
genetic or environmental, it is just plain luck. A cow is a cow and a
dog is a dog because that's life. I was not before birth and I will
not be after death. It is better to accept that we are mortals than to
have imaginary notions of immortality. We will not live in heaven or
hell hereafter, we will simply die and cease to be. Just as the
universe came to be and is progressing according to laws of physics ,
chemistry , etc. we came to be and progress according to laws of
biology, psychology, sociology , etc. Just as matter has properties we
beings have nature which is the result of our genetic endowments as
nurtured by the environment. It is this nature which may be called
personality which determines our actions.
frantheman
On 13 Jan., 18:44, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no "born lucky" or "born unlucky". There is merely the randomness
> of the universe, and the series of decisions a person makes in their
> lifetime leading to different paths of causality.
>
True, Chris. That said, I feel lucky this evening not to have been
born (or live) in Haiti ...
Francis
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Slip Disc
Those souls that are imbued with favoritism of sorts, not exactly the
terminology, and others who are cursed.
Let's say that previous soul enhancements lend to current living
phenomena.
Other questions arise, such as earth being a proving ground or a trial
period, even a place for people to suffer damnation, people have lived
horrible lives and others have suffered horrible deaths.
Who knows for sure, not eye saith the blind man.
Any variations are as well valid hypothesis.
On Jan 13, 3:33 pm, gwilliamsn...@aol.com wrote:
> I am not making any statement about causation. The fact is that some people are luckier than others -- both ways. I don't know what to make of it.
>
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> Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 4:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Karma
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> Yes. And it does appear that the sun orbits our planet, rising in the east, and setting in the west.
>
> Correlation != causation.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
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> Yet it does appear as if some people, and places either have good or bad luck in greater proportions than others.
>
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> Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:40 pm
> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Karma
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> On 13 Jan., 18:44, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > There is no "born lucky" or "born unlucky". There is merely the randomness
>
> > of the universe, and the series of decisions a person makes in their
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> > lifetime leading to different paths of causality.
>
> True, Chris. That said, I feel lucky this evening not to have been
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> born (or live) in Haiti ...
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> Francis
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edward mason
experiences for ascensions and/or developments( Experience ) that
holds some special honor but can be acquired no other way. Once that
soul inters this realm of existence, becoming subject to the
controlling laws which acts kind of like a magnet to keep that soul in
the cycle of circumference until it master the Laws. This would not
imply that every soul here on earth is here as a mater of choice
either, as some are sure to assume.
Slip Disc
A matter of choice at what point and where does one make the choice.
Acquisition of experience that is causal to ascension might be and
obverse be the falling from grace. The entry into this realm seems
locked in, tied down and as you say subject to the laws, challenges
and opportunities that become the playing field of success or failure
according to and if there are actual adherents to be applied. I would
think that if there exists souls that they would all have a uniformity
as far as choice or not and if not who/what decides such things.
I believe that some people have lived past lives but not all as some
people are Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc.,
while others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily
identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the sense that
our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend the
soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not return as
a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences within our
soul and think life might be occurring simultaneously on different
planes and further that there is a level at which time itself is of no
consequence. The concept of old soul and new soul has been a
contentious subject for my wife and I as she is deeply rooted in
Catholicism and therefore won't accept it other than as a ridiculous
notion. According to her Catholic faith, death is the "complete and
final separation of the soul from the body". However the Vatican has
conceded that diagnosing death is a subject for medicine, not the
Church. Pope Pius XII questioned whether doctors might be "continuing
the resuscitation process, despite the fact that the soul may already
have left the body."
Others believe that life remains intact as long as the heart is
beating and others still contend that the mind and body are one so
being brain dead has not impact on death itself. It seems that belief
in certain aspects of death may give credence to what some know as
Heaven and the immortality of the soul. For atheists, pantheists,
materialists and rationalists there would be no question and
conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning does death
have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that life is
temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead without
paying as much attention to amassing materialistic treasures over
spiritual values. Is death just a marker between lives? Possibly
and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell us anything
about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next? I
would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties then
it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new life in the
new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to develop? I
often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty and pain
while other live wonderful lives. While both will have to commit to
death the interim of life seems to have significance in the fact that
maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would also have to
examine why it is that a person is born and dies within hours of
living if there is any significance to life between birth and death. I
believe that everyone has a soul unique to their self. To think that
souls are just random formations of different lives would imply that
upon death our soul becomes part of a huge soul pool or becomes part
of the zero point field. How could we retain soul integrity if we die
and our soul is dispersed into a pool? I would rather think my life
reflects all the lives I have lived before, not that my life is
fractions of Attila the Hun and King Herod etc. What determines who
gets what from the soul pool? People are all so different and there
is no uniformity, obviously I didn't get any Philo Farnsworth. What
would govern the outcome of future lives? Is there a relation to the
gene pool in how a person returns to live again? Possibly so. If a
person has the same genetic makeup as the great grandfather, is that
person partially living the life of the great grandfather, in thought
and action?
Is there a correlation?
ornamentalmind
likely, no one has ever come back to tell us anything about it.” – SD
This is not quite the case unless one is merely saying that they
haven’t heard of such reports…many of which do exist.
“Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next? I would
think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties then it
might also retain the aspects of retribution.” – SD
Many hold that some aspect does carry over. In fact, Karma alone is
often seen as the actual cause of rebirth. See: http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell07.htm
“Upon new life in the new physical frame is there a clean slate with
which to develop? I often wonder why some people are born into
extreme poverty and pain while other live wonderful lives.” – SD
While the western notion of tabula rasa does exist, it is accurate in
that it applies to “…the epistemological thesis that individuals are
born without built-in mental content and that their knowledge comes
from experience and perception.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa
Is there “…any significance to life between birth and death.”? Many
would say in the current context, everything therein is
‘significant’.
“I believe that everyone has a soul unique to their self. To think
that souls are just random formations of different lives would imply
that upon death our soul becomes part of a huge soul pool or becomes
part of the zero point field.” – SD
Again, looking to those who claim to know, and in particular to
Gautama’s last words, “Now, monks, I declare to you: all elements of
personality are subject to decay. Strive on untiringly!” -
http://orias.berkeley.edu/visuals/buddha/life.html
“How could we retain soul integrity if we die and our soul is
dispersed into a pool?” – SD
The same way we retain individuation ‘integrity’ while living within
the pool of humanity.
“What determines who gets what from the soul pool?” – SD
Again, ‘we all’ have access to it all all of the time. Whether we can
remove the necessary obfuscations or not in order to apprehend this or
not is the issue here.
Slip Disc
> “Is death just a marker between lives? Possibly and for me most
> likely, no one has ever come back to tell us anything about it.” – SD
>
> This is not quite the case unless one is merely saying that they
Stories are only that, testimonials without any possibility of
verification eg: extraterrestrial abductions. <SD
>
> “Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next? I would
> think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties then it
> might also retain the aspects of retribution.” – SD
>
> Many hold that some aspect does carry over. In fact, Karma alone is
> often seen as the actual cause of rebirth. See:http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell07.htm -OM
Could be, the karma leaving a destiny or duty unfulfilled and
requiring a rebirth. <SD
>
> “Upon new life in the new physical frame is there a clean slate with
> which to develop? I often wonder why some people are born into
> extreme poverty and pain while other live wonderful lives.” – SD
>
> While the western notion of tabula rasa does exist, it is accurate in
> that it applies to “…the epistemological thesis that individuals are
> born without built-in mental content and that their knowledge comes
> from experience and perception.” -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa -OM
I should clarify the clean slate portion, basically my intent is
pointing out that within the rebirth process the clean slate is for
the projections forward while retention of all previous experiences
are in somewhat of an underlying state. Possibly emerging in dream
states and deja vu moments. <SD
>
> Is there “…any significance to life between birth and death.”? Many
> would say in the current context, everything therein is
> ‘significant’. “I believe that everyone has a soul unique to their self. To think
> that souls are just random formations of different lives would imply
> that upon death our soul becomes part of a huge soul pool or becomes
> part of the zero point field.” – SD
>
> Again, looking to those who claim to know, and in particular to
> Gautama’s last words, “Now, monks, I declare to you: all elements of
> personality are subject to decay. Strive on untiringly!” -http://orias.berkeley.edu/visuals/buddha/life.html -OM
Key word being "Claim" to know. -<SD
>
> “How could we retain soul integrity if we die and our soul is
> dispersed into a pool?” – SD
>
> The same way we retain individuation ‘integrity’ while living within
> the pool of humanity. -OM
I don't view humanity as a pool, humans are not completely integrated
as pool. Humans can be segregated by many aspects whereas a pool of
water would not have that aspect, an ability to separate and establish
identities. -<SD
>
> “What determines who gets what from the soul pool?” – SD
>
> Again, ‘we all’ have access to it all all of the time. Whether we can
> remove the necessary obfuscations or not in order to apprehend this or
> not is the issue here. -OM
Well that is a matter of opinion without actual basis, life is our
reality not our theories. -<SD
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frantheman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqP3wT5lpa4
Francis
ornamentalmind
verification eg: extraterrestrial abductions. <SD
Yes, that is the case for most all of us now Slip. And, I still feel
strongly that my response was accurate and appropriate to your
unsubstantiated claim that “…no one has ever come back to tell us
anything about it.”
Key word being "Claim" to know. -<SD
Yes, I chose that term quite carefully Slip knowing full well that
there are countless other skeptics reading these postings. Personally,
I have no doubt at all that Gautama knew the truth of his last words
nor do I doubt them either. Of course, in context I/we were possibly
referring to other lives here. In one sense, I ‘know’ the full
eternity of the now including any apparent beginnings/origins as well
as the telos…so in this way know the truth of the bardo and beyond.
Also, much of my personal practice does include rituals, meditations
and contemplations on such things so the act of dying even though not
experienced directly this time is not an entire stranger.
I don't view humanity as a pool, humans are not completely integrated
as pool. Humans can be segregated by many aspects whereas a pool of
water would not have that aspect, an ability to separate and
establish
identities. -<SD
Lack of view noted Slip. Yet, in one sense, since *everyone* (let
alone everything etc.) is but a part of one’s consciousness, the water
analogy that is appropriate. It is often used for mind stuff as well
as an analogy for spirit. One scientific Socratic question is: If one
takes a cup of water and pours it into the ocean and waits for the
water to be evenly dispersed, and then takes another cup of water from
the ocean, how much of the original one is present? Of course, this
has been calculated by scientists however, the analogy may be
instructive.
> “What determines who gets what from the soul pool?” – SD
> Again, ‘we all’ have access to it all all of the time. Whether we can
> remove the necessary obfuscations or not in order to apprehend this or
> not is the issue here. -OM
Well that is a matter of opinion without actual basis, life is our
reality not our theories. -<SD
While I do understand and agree with your intention here Slip…that
what we think is reality IS our reality/life…I would further agree
that theories are but mind stuff too, the term ‘opinion’ in this
context appears to be a little harsh to me. I say this in that when
analyzed, ‘we’ are in direct contact with all ‘souls/pools’ at all
times whether such unity is consciously apprehended or not. One need
not take this on faith either so don’t worry about mustering a defense…
I’m not evangelical other than to suggest an expansion of view…perhaps
a glance at my newer topic ‘Knowledge’ will point some of the way
here.
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Don Johnson
anyway. I hated this band in high school but whistled the tune
anyway. Very catchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhXcEpajN0
-Don
edward mason
impressions made upon it during its existences, as a computer
processes the programs it encounters, just as there are impressions on
the face of the soul. Where the soul comes here from I can't say what
I think presently with certainty. I do accept that there other plains
of existences. I've had the experience. Wherefore, I trust the source
that led me to the knowledge that was instrumental to that benefit,
saying that there are 10 heavens, including earth. All in the state
of manifestation. Then, the God Head being in etheric state. Any of
those places could be your soul-pool I suppose if God or the One
chose so. Was it Jesus that said that the soul returns to God.
Slip Disc
about it." IS substantiated because mere testimony or any verbally
relayed experiences are not conclusive without the ability to
Reproduce or Duplicate the experience(s), ie; provision of a road map,
instruction sheet, guidebook or methodology precisely leading others
to the same. Scientifically we can have such substantiation, ie; one
takes LSD and experiences Hallucinations and relays that experience
and others can now do the same. OBE's, alien abductions and other
such experiences are not "users guides" to recreating the experience
and so remain allusive. _SD
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Pat
This is, almost word for word, a quote from the Qur'an. Allah states
in the Qur'an that life is a test and temporary and that we should,
indeed, pay more attention to the life hereafter, as THAT is eternal.
Of course, any amount of time spent outside of space-time would SEEM
eternal, as one is outside of time, therefore, eternal/timeless. That
is, a 'soul' would experience any time spent outside of space-time as
eternal, even if they were gone for only a second (of time with
respect to time WITHIN space-time). Therefore, all rewards and
punishments in the hereafter would SEEM eternal, even though there may
have only been a few seconds between incarnations. That is, if re-
incarnation DOES exist. It's certainly not outside the scope of my
physics, as in my physics, consciousness isn't actually IN space-time
(it's in the Calabi-Yau space), but being incarnated binds one TO
time. Once an iinterface to space-time has been set-up, i.e.,
incarnated (or invegatated if one happens to be a plant--you see, I
can't be specieist!!), it is bound to time, but, at death, they return
to their natural, eternal state in the Calabi-Yau. And, of course,
there could well be parts of the Calabi-Yau that are apportioned as
places of reward (Heaven) or punishment (Hell). String theory allows
for this, but no OTHER paradigm does.
Vamadevananda
Actually, it is to be bound to ' idea ' of time which, with our
conditioning to the idea, becomes concrete, so to say, and remains as
something primordially definite and real as Time !
This indeed is the classical meaning of ' attachment ' ( and
detachment ).
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edward mason
of this vicious cycle of return. Narrow is the way, and straight is
the gate. When you ask about a point in time, understand what you are
referring to in this case, science my be a handy tool. At what point
do we choose? At what point in the evolutionary process were we given
free will? That will seemingly be the point at which we were held
responsible for the effects of the choices we've made. Reading your
message to me here, I cannot find much of , what I consider error in
what you are saying. As to who/what decides, know that once the soul
enter into any of the worlds of manifestation it becomes subject to
the Laws and the Rules therein whether aware of them or not. The soul
primitive to either will be taught through trial and error. As far as
trying to unify souls, I think of them more in terms of parts of a
body that equals a whole. Here again, look to science to provide the
uniform structural make-up of the different parts of the body, then
apply it to the analysis. Imagine the power to be acquired by an
enlighten soul giving forewarning to a primitive soul once it sees the
accuracy of the enlightened. Now picture the enlightened soul being
corrupt and joining forces with other corrupt enlightened souls. Now
give those corrupt souls a 20,000 years revolution in the Earth plain.
So then h ever or whatever places these Laws into effect, that is who
or what decides. Those factors which enforces are those which we term
by different titles and names; angels and demons; spirits good and
evil; etc.
ornamentalmind
verbally
relayed experiences are not conclusive without the ability to
Reproduce or Duplicate the experience(s), ie; provision of a road
map,
instruction sheet, guidebook or methodology precisely leading others
A. It is reproducible and maps exist along with methodology and
guidebooks….
B. Should I reject your claim because it is verbally relayed only?
Slip Disc
back to tell us anything about it" is NOT an "Experience" relayed
verbally.
Its like someone claiming they saw the Yeti which begs the question
"where do we go so we can see it?"
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having that insight. I'll have to explore more after reading your
analysis of my post, there must be more to it, something else to grasp
in this examination of soul properties and soups. I'll have to pay
more attention to the Calabi Yau pertinence and the binding of one to
time, here in this world.
Slip Disc
all previous experiences which I expressed earlier and you view the
return as a generalized vicious cycle when it doesn't seem to need
such a negative connotation. Science may be a handy tool and I'm sure
Pat can find numerous correlations in this regard. Free will and the
assumption that it is a "given" aspect of humanity throws a wrench
into the works and to conflate that with evolutionary process is a
stretch. Also culpability for actions/choices leaves us dithering for
something to stick a label on, the who or what remains unanswered. We
agree on much here with little in the gray area which is
understandable and I wouldn't surmise that we are or would reach some
concrete conclusion to all this pondering. The scientific aspect for
me, for now holds the most weight. I don't really pay much attention
to out of the air beliefs and have an aversion to dogma.
I'm wondering what you are implying with ".......subject to Laws and
Rules therein.......". Are you referring to physics or societal
laws? Personally, I sometimes and many times feel freedom beyond any
and all mundane laws and rules. We need to expound on this issue of
laws and rules for incarnate spiritual beings/souls.
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fiddler
1st time: infant, no evidence due to lack of memory. Period was around
7 mins according to doctors and to correspond to lack of oxygen vs.
brain acuity/ability standards.
2nd time: young, around 7 years old. I drowned in a very forgiving
undertow. I say very forgiving because my dog (terribly afraid of
water) was able to pull me out. Period was around 6 minutes. Yes there
is a light...mostly because a lack of oxygen causes a "light" inside
the mind, which is one of the definitive methods of pointing to a
direct correlation between brain and mind. One can neither step toward
nor away from such a basic biologic fact. No angels, no demons, and no
gods awaited me. No oneness made itself available. Yes, Yes, I
know...one must accept such concepts before one receives proof of such
concepts...
3rd time: Most interesting of each by far. A wooden baseball bat was
broken across the back of my head with enough force to break my skull
and didn't (dispense with the jokes, I've told them all and I tell
them better). It did slightly dislocate my spine, and caused a few
other problems, some of which I still deal with 15 years later. Period
lasted around 6 mins, still no angels, although I did have great
dreams afterwards. Resuscitation was less difficult than the medic
expected but then again...
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the Earth journey may do so in order to gain some benefit for
completion of the task, does not suggest any lost of impressions, to
me. The generalized vicious cycle is assumed because of my experience
here in this life, and because of the fact that in the tree of life
Earth is at the bottom of the heavenly presentation, representing the
feet of that body. Remember that after the fall of Adam & Eve, God
clothed them to protect them.
Free will? You have free will to place your hand in an open flame.
Your decision to refrain after the first few tries, would it be a
product of free will? Evolve, isn't it something that we do every day?
If you can agree that we evolve daily, then to deny evolution as a
process to our present development, you will have to go back to the
point at which we Begin to evolve in order to show that evolution was
not involved. And wherever there is cause/effect there is Law. Your
state of being will be determined by how well you harmonize with them.
When you are cold you ajust, you avoid jumping out of 5 story windows,
you don't keep your body submerged in water too long, etc.
Molly
Karma Yoga is the dedication of the fruits of one's actions to the
divine - deepak chopra
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On 16 Jan, 00:24, Slip Disc <bug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gee Pat, word for word, that is something to say, I mean about me
> having that insight. I'll have to explore more after reading your
> analysis of my post, there must be more to it, something else to grasp
> in this examination of soul properties and soups. I'll have to pay
> more attention to the Calabi Yau pertinence and the binding of one to
> time, here in this world.
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You know you're on the right track when you, unknowingly, quote
scripture. That is TRUE inspiration. The REAL quote was: He who
created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed;
and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving". [Qur’an 67:2]
The phrase, 'Exalted in Might' is translated differently in various
translations, but holds the concept that God is ABLE to do that which
will be done and that He WILL DO that which will be done, i.e., He
will do that which He is able to do; and, in my theory, it is
incumbent upon The One to do all that which is possible, as that is
the only way of retaining and maintaining omnipotence. Arabic can say
all that with one word, though. Note that the trial regards our
deeds. To me, this would imply that, whilst one may have the odd
naughty thought, it's our deeds that speak louder to God than our
passing thoughts. And, of course, the fact that God is 'Oft-
Forgiving' lends a bit of credence to that, in that He is willing to
overlook certain things in light of other things.
On another note, the Qur'an says nothing about reincarnation. It
seems to be of the opinion(!?) that we have to view this life as a
'one and only chance to get it right'. Anything less than that, and
we will allow ourselves a 'chance' to get it wrong. Perhaps it's a
corrolary of Pascal's Wager in that, if we assume this is our only
chance to get it right, we'll try harder to do so, whereas, if we view
life as one in a series where we may, eventually, get it right, we may
doom ourselves by being too lax in THIS life and blow the one chance
we get. Just a thought.
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> Pat writes:
> > This is, almost word for word, a quote from the Qur'an. Allah states
> > in the Qur'an that life is a test and temporary and that we should,
> > indeed, pay more attention to the life hereafter, as THAT is eternal.
> > Of course, any amount of time spent outside of space-time would SEEM
> > eternal, as one is outside of time, therefore, eternal/timeless. That
> > is, a 'soul' would experience any time spent outside of space-time as
> > eternal, even if they were gone for only a second (of time with
> > respect to time WITHIN space-time). Therefore, all rewards and
> > punishments in the hereafter would SEEM eternal, even though there may
> > have only been a few seconds between incarnations. That is, if re-
> > incarnation DOES exist. It's certainly not outside the scope of my
> > physics, as in my physics, consciousness isn't actually IN space-time
> > (it's in the Calabi-Yau space), but being incarnated binds one TO
> > time. Once an iinterface to space-time has been set-up, i.e.,
> > incarnated (or invegatated if one happens to be a plant--you see, I
> > can't be specieist!!), it is bound to time, but, at death, they return
> > to their natural, eternal state in the Calabi-Yau. And, of course,
> > there could well be parts of the Calabi-Yau that are apportioned as
> > places of reward (Heaven) or punishment (Hell). String theory allows
> > for this, but no OTHER paradigm does.- Hide quoted text -
Molly
linear. If we are living all lives simultaneously, every deed effects
all other lives and moments for us, and we are thus compelled to get
it right all the time, or at least self correct as much as possible
(which is infinitely.)
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edward mason
interest to some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMvJE3T-gis
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM, edward mason <masoned...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One of the most powerful techniques in misdirection is to form a beast
> of .5 truth .5 lie. Once formed, its foundations will sustain
> religions.
> Your information seems limited even of this plain of existence-Earth.
> So, for me to rely upon your observation would prove faulty wisdom.
> The other 9 worlds I would be unaware of. Then my existence here on
> earth couldn't be so bright either, so I would imagine. How could it
> be that I could love myself if I did not know myself? Simply saying
> that 'you were never here before and will never be here again' , do
> you think give substance to either? What if there are advantages to be
> had from a knowledge of much, much more? If you feel what you said to
> be true, then why are you even reaching out to any of the rest of us?
> You looking for company to go nowhere? Or do you have something hide
> somewhere that you don't want anyone to find? Maybe you feel that
> lonely soul inside begging to be fed.
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:25 PM, RP <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There is no karma; some are just born lucky, some unlucky. The belief
>> that our present life is because of our actions in past lives is a
>> fallacy. If there is great difference among individuals, whether
>> genetic or environmental, it is just plain luck. A cow is a cow and a
>> dog is a dog because that's life. I was not before birth and I will
>> not be after death. It is better to accept that we are mortals than to
>> have imaginary notions of immortality. We will not live in heaven or
>> hell hereafter, we will simply die and cease to be. Just as the
>> universe came to be and is progressing according to laws of physics ,
>> chemistry , etc. we came to be and progress according to laws of
>> biology, psychology, sociology , etc. Just as matter has properties we
>> beings have nature which is the result of our genetic endowments as
>> nurtured by the environment. It is this nature which may be called
>> personality which determines our actions.
edward mason
search The Luciferian Doctrine History.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:50 AM, edward mason <masoned...@gmail.com> wrote:
> More on the religion and choice treads, that I thought may be of
> interest to some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMvJE3T-gis
edward mason
> interest to some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMvJE3T-gis