Question of the day:

[Tom Gralewicz]

Does the space need a player piano?

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/zip/3411914170.html

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Tom Gralewicz
Miller Electronics Recycling
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www.deadcomputers.com

[Jason Hilleshiem]

Yes.

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[Joseph Bozarth]

Yes. I may be biased because I have not gotten to play a piano in 7 months and I just really want a piano so...

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Tom Gralewicz <m...@ieee.org> wrote:

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Joseph Bozarth

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[Jim Rawson]

Yes, we can cut it up for the wood.

[jason gessner]

jim, shut your mouth!

We need it so we can make it make crazy music!

-jason

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Jim Rawson <taxi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, we can cut it up for the wood.

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[Joseph Bozarth]

Does anyone know how to tune a piano? If we get it and move it it is going to need to be tuned again even if it is in tune now.

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[Pete Prodoehl]

Only if we hack the living shit out of it...  add an Arduino, Raspberry Pi, some 3D prints, laser-cut accessories, etc.

(But then, that's going to be my answer to almost any question.)


Pete

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[Pete Prodoehl]

And I haven't played pool in a few years:

    http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/zip/3409550989.html


Pete

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[Royce Pipkins]

Animatronic pumpkins can sing along with the music.

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[Joseph Bozarth]

@Royce: +1

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[Pete Prodoehl]

I can tuna fish, but I can't tune a piano.


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[Jim Rawson]

A REO Speedwagon reference! But can pumpkins shoot pool?

[Joe Buck]

and MIDI, of course!

-jb

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[Vishal Rana]

And lightning...somehow, somewhere

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[Pete Prodoehl]

But seriously folks...

We should just have a screen on the wall at Lenox that rotates through the most recent/interesting stuff from the craigs list free category...

We could use a Raspberry Pi, because everything needs a Raspberry Pi in it...


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[Joseph Bozarth]

Somehow I feel that that would end with the space overflowing with half broken things.

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[jason gessner]

how is that different than what the space looks like now?

ZING!

:)

-jason

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[Joseph Bozarth]

This is true

[Kevin Bastyr]

Back to the point - yes - lets get that piano!

is Toms lift Gate truck available, or will a van suffice?

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[Kevin Bastyr]

I just left a message on her machine.

[Tom Gralewicz]

Its a 3 or 4 person job to get it out of a house.  If its under 4' tall it will fit in the van.

We would need to pick it up in the evening to use the box truck.

Mainly I wanted to see if people thought this would be a good thing to have at the space, or just an oddity taking up room

Quick voting system:  First 6 votes for or against decide, let the voting being!

Tom

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[Kevin Bastyr]

For.

Sent from my mobile telephone device.

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[Joseph Bozarth]

for

[Matt Wittmann]

I say yes. . I will help load.

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[Jim Rawson]

Yes. I will help also.

[Matt Wittmann]

Jim your such a gentlemen.

On Nov 15, 2012 4:20 PM, "Jim Rawson" <taxi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. I will help also.

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[jason gessner]

for and i will help load if i am available.

-jason

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[Joseph Bozarth]

I can help too if needed.

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[Jim Rawson]

By the way Matt,  I have a Temperature Sensor - Waterproof (DS18B20) that I want to donate to your oil case.  I will bring it tonight.

 
 

[Shane]

For. I'll volunteer to load if'n I'm not too busy huntin' wabbits or
something....

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[David Buggs]

As much as I like nostalgia, old pianos simply do not stay in tune.  Over time they loose so much moisture the joints loosen up.  That is why so many pianos (even those that were once very expensive) like Steinway Grand pianos end up in the junkyard rather than being refurbished/repaired.

I understand the possible desire to hack the hell out of it, perhaps so one could watch the inner workings.  But I see the novelty of that wearing off rather quickly.

Question, for these type of items who owns them?  I seem to recall the space doesn't own things for liability reasons.

I think the board should develop some sort of policy for this type of thing or the new space will resemble a junkyard much sooner than anyone can imagine.

I vote no.

[Shane]

Additionally, I have one request...it must NOT play "The Entertainer"
at any point. Ever.

[Kevin Crowley]

I can tune a piano or a harp(I have 2) and make minor adjustments to the action of the piano.

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[Pete Prodoehl]

Player piano, right? I assume we can create our own rolls, and program it to play the theme to Mario Bros or Tetris or something.

Maybe it should be incorporated into the doorbell system.


Pete

[Vishal Rana]

It would be great if it would also be triggered at the top of the hour...like a clock tower.

Vishal

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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:15:29 -0600

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[Kevin Crowley]

Rolls are easy to program.  laser cutter almost Ideal for it.

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[David Buggs]

Ok, I will say yes if it acts as a doorbell.  I also like Pete's idea of creating custom music rolls, we can cut them on the 40W laser, although we'll need to figure out how to handle a long roll or tape short pieces together...

[Joe Buck]

As for the liability issues and the lack of a lease for the player
piano, I, for one, am willing to sign a waiver that in the event that
i get sucked into the player piano or, worse, somehow generate,
goodness gracious, great balls of fire with the thing, that i will
release and forever hold harmless the Milwaukee Makerspace, the
trustees of the Milwaukee Makerspace, and/or its members, groups or
members, affiliates, landlords, employees, officers, agents or
insurers. By the way, this release is strictly limited to the
aforementioned events.

sincerely,
Joe Buck

[Shane]

And I, for one, am willing to sign a release that states,
"In the event that the Milwaukee Makerspace gets sued for any damned
thing, the suing party agrees to take the piano on the condition that
it is permanently set to play the Mario Brothers theme at every
quarter hour."
Sincerely,
-Shane T.

[Joe Buck]

Right. That too. I was too busy thinking about getting sucked into a player piano to put my cause/effect hat on.

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[Kevin Crowley]

Someone buy it for a buck and then lease it back.

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[David Buggs]

I had a great uncle who was missing an eye because he was playing with the insides of a piano and a string broke slicing him across the face.  I'd be in favor of a black hole, what better way to get rid of junk lying around.

Buggs

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Joe Buck <jtb...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Brent Bublitz]

Automate the piano and use it as the doorbell for the new space. Make it pound out "Hells Bells" or something. Nice part is that it really does not need to be in tune for that.

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[Shane]

No, "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" ala The Simpsons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PyBWLALFLQ

On Nov 16, 9:15 am, Brent Bublitz <phot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Automate the piano and use it as the doorbell for the new space. Make it
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> > I had a great uncle who was missing an eye because he was playing with the
> > insides of a piano and a string broke slicing him across the face.  I'd be
> > in favor of a black hole, what better way to get rid of junk lying around.
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> >> player piano to put my cause/effect hat on.

[Kevin Bastyr]

" old pianos simply do not stay in tune. Over time they loose so much moisture the joints loosen up."

This just can't be the reason old pianos don't stay in tune.  Piano strings are stretched on a metal frame, so moisture plays no role. 

Harpsichord strings are stretched on a wooden frame (the soundboard) - which is susceptible to humidity and temperature changes.  That's why pianos stay in tune much longer than harpsichords do.

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[Dan Felix]

Hmmmmm ....
http://hackaday.com/2012/02/05/self-tuning-piano-can-tune-itself-cant-tuna-fish/

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[Kevin Crowley]

Interesting system.  Ingenious even.  I see 2 flaws. One is that the piano must be tuned slightly sharp for the system to work properly.  The second is if a string goes flat you still have to manually tune it

Kevin, The metal strings under tension do stretch, if unplayed the metal string can crystallize over time, and the pins holding the strings can loosen.  The holes holding the pins can elongate and deform so that sufficient tension can not be applied to the string.  If any of these conditions are minor they can be fixed or compensated for.

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[Jim Rawson]

I rest my case.  We should cut it up for the wood so it can't hurt anybody.