Limited Knowledge PERHAPS in BEACON, NY USA TOO!!!!.....A thorough update of facts would eliminate lots of negative thinking....An Israeli and a Palestinian scathed by South Africa apartheid rhetoric

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Steven Fodor

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May 6, 2012, 12:46:29 AM5/6/12
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Haaretz - Saturday, 05 May 2012

Published 10:55 04.05.12Latest update 10:55 04.05.12

An Israeli and a Palestinian scathed by South Africa apartheid rhetoric

Despite their limited knowledge of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,
South Africans have many prejudices that are being fueled by anti-Israel
groups

By Benjamin Pogrund and Bassem Eid

http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/an-israeli-and-a-palestinian-scathed-by-south-africa-apartheid-rhetoric-1.428234

The two of us, an Israeli and a Palestinian, went to South Africa
recently to speak about the Middle East. For understandable reasons,
South Africa is a major source for the "Israel is apartheid" accusation;
it stems from the fact that many South Africans, especially blacks,
relate Israel's treatment of Palestinians to their own history of racial
discrimination.

And indeed, in the several dozen meetings we addressed, we repeatedly
heard the apartheid accusation. No, we replied: Apartheid does not exist
inside Israel; there's discrimination against Arabs but it's not South
African apartheid. On the West Bank, there is military occupation and
repression, but it is not apartheid. The apartheid comparison is false
and confuses the real problems.

As we traveled around the country, it became clear to us that South
Africans generally have limited knowledge about the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict. But they hold many prejudices and these are fed and
manipulated by organizations that are vehemently anti-Israel - to the
extent of calling for destruction of the Jewish state, as the
Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, the Muslim Judicial Council and the
Russell Tribunal have done. Black trade unions join in the attacks and
so do some people of Jewish origin.

Our host was the South African Jewish Board of Deputies. During 10 days
we spoke on five university campuses, at several public meetings and to
journalists, and were on radio programs, including one aired by a Muslim
station.

We were shown an e-mail calling for protests against our visit: It
seemed that the anti-Israel hard-liners were upset by an Israeli and a
Palestinian speaking on the same platform and promoting peace. But there
were no protests: The worst we experienced was a knot of about six
people standing quietly outside one meeting. We were also warned to
expect "tough questions," but we didn't hear any. Instead, the large
audiences - people of all colors, and mainly non-Jews - were attentive
and wanted information about the current state of play in the conflict.

There were some hostile comments such as the silly sneer that Israel is
"terrified of a few suicide bombers" and that it is "hogwash" to call
Hamas a terrorist organization. In a more serious vein were repeated
references to the Palestinian "right of return." It cannot be said
whether those who spoke were genuinely responding to the plight of the
refugees, or were cynically using it as a reasonable-sounding slogan
although it in effect calls for elimination of the Jewish state.

Nelson Mandela's words in support of Palestinian freedom were flung at
us (and also appear in propaganda leaflets issued by
Palestinian-supporting organizations ). He was quoted as saying: "But we
know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the
Palestinians." Mandela did indeed say that, on December 9, 1997, on the
occasion of Palestinian Solidarity Day, and it still resonates strongly
among South Africans. But it's actually half of what he said in the
context of a call for freedom for all people. He also explained the
greater context and the dishonesty of the propagandists in singling out
Israel: "... without the resolution of conflicts in East Timor, the
Sudan and other parts of the world."

Other falsities we heard were that only Jews are allowed to own or rent
93 percent of the land in Israel, and that Israel's restrictions on
marriage (which in actuality derive from Jewish, Muslim and Christian
religious authorities ) are the same as apartheid South Africa's
prohibition of marriage - or sex - across color lines.

There was also an earlier statement by the South African Council of
Churches in support of Israel Apartheid Week in which it claimed that
"Israel remained the single supporter of apartheid when the rest of the
world implemented economic sanctions, boycotts and divestment to force
change in South Africa." That, of course, is nonsense: Israel did trade
with apartheid South Africa - but so did the entire world, starting with
oil sales by Arab states, and including the United States, United
Kingdom, France, Belgium, the Soviet Union and many in Africa.

BDS, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, is noisily vocal
and gets publicity in South African media. While we were there it ran
Israel Apartheid Week programs on several university campuses. But the
movement did not garner wide support; some scheduled speakers did not
even turn up. Its boast that more than 100 universities worldwide took
part in the week doesn't amount to much: Apartheid weeks have been going
on for eight years and out of the 100 this year, 60 were held on
American campuses (out of 4,000 universities and colleges in that
country ). Not much progress there.

We did not pre-plan what we were going to say. But a consensus emerged:
First, we both spoke in bleak terms about peace prospects in the near
future; second, we each castigated our own leaderships for double-talk
and pretense, and for their lack of boldness and vision, and we pointed
to the growth of Jewish settlements on the West Bank as undermining the
chances for an agreement.

We stressed that we welcomed interest in our part of the world - but
warned that some members of Palestinian solidarity movements have never
visited the occupied territories, and they damage the Palestinian cause
abroad because they act out of ignorance, and foster division and hatred between Arabs and Jews.

They do not help to bring peace.

Our strangest meeting was with scores of Congolese who asked us to
explain why their conflict - ongoing since 1960 with a toll of perhaps
more than 7 million people dead - receives less attention in South
African and other media than does the Israeli-Palestinian struggle. It
was painful listening to their recital of mass rapes and murders. But it
was difficult to empathize with them when one speaker blamed the Jews,
whom he said controlled the world and the media, and when a former army
officer asked us for money to go and fight the Congolese government.

Bassem Eid is director of the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group
and a former researcher for B'Tselem. Benjamin Pogrund, South
African-born, was founder of Yakar's Center for Social Concern in Jerusalem

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Lillian Rosengarten

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May 6, 2012, 12:54:53 AM5/6/12
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This is so dishonest. As long as there is an occupation where Palestinians are not recognized as equal citizens there is apartheid in Israel. 
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