death of Microsoft´s Windows Mobile
Chris De Herrera
PC, SmartPhone or Tablet PC. I have been covering both the Pocket PC and
Tablet PC since before Microsoft announced them.
Microsoft continues to focus on all of them separately because they have
different features and capabilities. This is especially true for the
battery capabilities, alarms, and size. There is no device that runs the
Tablet PC OS that is very small. The lightest is 2 lbs and it's from NEC.
Yes there are small Windows XP machines such as the OQO however it does not
even have 8 hours battery life. Further it has no cell phone capabilies and
it's about $2,000.
At the same time, the Pocket PC allows for high speed data input, long
battery life and instant on. Also, the small Pocket PCs such as the 4150
which weighs about 4 ounces is much smaller than any Windows XP machine.
Also, the instant on is a huge deal for users - that's how you get your
alarms for appointments, ability to call someone without a 2 minute boot
time, etc.
The SmartPhone is all about being a phone first. So it focuses on the
ability to place and recieve calls and integrate it with the PIM. It does
add additional features such as Windows Media Player. The units do not have
a touch screen so data input takes more keystrokes just like it does on
other cell phones. Also, the standby time is over 100 hours and talk time
is over 2 hours and instant on for alarms like the Pocket PC.
Overall, I have written previously on my thoughts on these issues at "What
is in The Future of Windows Mobile Pocket PCs?"
http://www.cewindows.net/commentary/future-wm.htm
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"www.msmobile.com" <nos...@msmobile.com> wrote in message
news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
>
> pocket pc is a handicapped tablet pc
>
> Windows Mobile has no bright future.
>
> simple cellphone in combination with tablet pc have future.
>
> bill gates doesn´t take seriously the whole Windows Mobile for a reason
> and
> this reason is that simple cellphone in combination with tablet pc (both
> with bluetoooth) willl be the winnners.
>
> so stop wettting your pants about Windows Mobile because it gonna die....
>
>
>
ACE!!!
And quit posting the drawings of your 2 year old
in this non-binary group.
~S.
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in
news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
>
> pocket pc is a handicapped tablet pc
>
> Windows Mobile has no bright future.
>
> simple cellphone in combination with tablet pc have future.
>
> bill gates doesn´t take seriously the whole Windows Mobile for a reason
> and this reason is that simple cellphone in combination with tablet pc
> (both with bluetoooth) willl be the winnners.
>
> so stop wettting your pants about Windows Mobile because it gonna
> die....
>
>
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ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
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John Smith
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
>
> pocket pc is a handicapped tablet pc
a tablet pc is a handicapped notebook
a notebook is a handicapped notebook desktop replacement
a notebook desktop replacement is a handicapped desktop
a desktop is a handicapped entry level server
an entry level server is a handicapped mid-range server
a mid-range server is a handicapped mainframe
the prime directive of a flip-flop is to replace all carbon based life-forms
on planet Earth (but you knew that)
Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices
If your stated objective is to promote the SmartPhone platform, I would
think you would be aware of OS it runs. Whether OEMs continue to produce
devices that support the PPC or PPCPE flavor of Windows Mobile 2003 would
seem to be a business decision. Currently I am happy to use a PPC in
conjunction with a cell phone (non-Smartphone, data and BT capable). That
is not an unusual combination. Currently I find the PPCPE too expensive
and a bit large to use as a single device if I require phone features. The
Smartphone is a bit under-capable, browser, Office support, to be useful to
me as a single device. I am also not keen on the lack of touch screen
input, though that is key to the 'phone' concept. That is just me. It
certainly doesn't imply that is the gospel. There are different people out
there with different needs and scenarios. That's why there are options.
Kind of sad you feel the need to denigrate other options rather than just
extolling the virtues of yours. Kind of reminds me of American politics.
The key seems to be to make yourself look better by telling how bad the
others are.
As far as Tablets go, when did they become any more mobile than laptops.
They have some unique and desirable formats and input options, but they are
essentially the next logical step in laptops. The Army seems to understand
the difference in transportable and mobile. Transportable you can move.
Mobile you can use while you are moving. Laptops and Tablets are more
Transportable than Mobile, IMHO. I'm unlikely to pop out my Laptop or Tablet
at the airport gate to check flight times, while that is a typical use for
my PPC. Yea I could pull out a Smartphone to do that, but then if I needed
to e-mail, IM or SMS a friend about the delay I'd much rather do that via
Calligrapher than T9.
So the platforms co-exist. If there were only Smartphones, I don't think all
the PPC and PPCPE users, and potential users would naturally gravitate and
buy one. There are a lot of non-MS options out there. Good ones too. Henry
Ford got away with only selling black only until there were other options.
--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
>
> pocket pc is a handicapped tablet pc
>
Barry Dorrans
www.msmobiles.com typed:
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
Please do not feed the troll.
Maverick
participation in this Newsgroup.
After all, why should u waste ur time talking about something thats gonna
die. I am sure u have better things to do.
Ms Mobiles, We wish you all the best in your future endevours.
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
>
www.msmobiles.com
http://msmobiles.com - from name of the website. I didn't expect such rude
and boorish behavior on your part!!!! Boor!!
"Chris De Herrera" <ch...@cewindows.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:e4iBA$MJEHA...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
www.msmobiles.com
"John Smith" <djf...@nospambell.south.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:JAlgc.57711$oj6....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
> news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
> >
> > pocket pc is a handicapped tablet pc
>
> a tablet pc is a handicapped notebook
>
no!! mine has super fast centrino processor, display as in other regular
notebooks and a lot of memory.
tablet pc is a notebook. POINT. nothing more, nohting less.
www.msmobiles.com
"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejoh...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:uIXE%23vOJE...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> So the platforms co-exist. If there were only Smartphones, I don't think
all
> the PPC and PPCPE users, and potential users would naturally gravitate and
> buy one. There are a lot of non-MS options out there. Good ones too. Henry
> Ford got away with only selling black only until there were other options.
>
power of processors grows and soon very small tablet pc-s will make pocket
pc obsolete.
www.msmobiles.com
"Barry Dorrans" <use...@idunno.org.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:%23KaZIyP...@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
not troll you imbecile! I am just trying to discuss LONG TERM future. you
imbecile are complete ignorant (with narrow world views) so shut up.
www.msmobiles.com
"Maverick" <sha...@nospam.india.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:O1BwI0QJ...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hope that we all can take this as an indication of the end of your
> participation in this Newsgroup.
>
> After all, why should u waste ur time talking about something thats gonna
> die. I am sure u have better things to do.
>
> Ms Mobiles, We wish you all the best in your future endevours.
no!
http://msmobiles.com news items will be extended soon with new category
"Tablet PC" and Windows Mobile will stay - that's why Chris De Herrera hates
me because it will be direct competition to his website.
in mid-term WINDOWS MOBILE IS NOT DEAD
but in long-term yes.
Todd Allcock
> power of processors grows and soon very small tablet pc-s will make pocket
> pc obsolete.
Man, you are an idiot.
Pocket PC/WM is as much a form factor as it is an operating system.
Of course the OS we know as WM 2003 or whatever will "die" as
technology advances. Are you still running CP/M or even DOS on any
desktop? Does that mean desktop PCs are "dead"?
No, as desktops became more powerful, the processors improved and the
OSes improved to match.
"Pocket PC" as a form factor, like "desktop PC" will not die, it'll
improve. "Tablet PC" is also a form factor- a PC roughly the size and
shape a writing tablet.
So you think "soon very small tablet pc-s will make pocket pc
obsolete", huh? If they make a "tablet" PC that fits in your pocket,
it won't be a "tablet" PC, get it? It'll be a new generation of
Pocket or Mobile PC by definition!
What's your next revelation? The motorcycle is obsolete because it
will eventually be replaced by very small automobiles with two wheels
and no outer body?
Pocket-sized PCs will always be restrained in function compared to a
"full sized" device. Do you expect the same performance from a
Walkman that you expect from your home theater stereo system?
> in mid-term WINDOWS MOBILE IS NOT DEAD but in long-term yes.
I'll bet Mr. Gates et al are soiling their collective undergarments
hearing you say that. WM will continue to EVOLVE, just as it's
evolved from Palm-sized PC to PPC to 2002 to WM '03.
ACE!!!
are we comparing apples with pears?
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in news:udstCUSJEHA.644
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> no!! mine has super fast centrino processor, display as in other regular
> notebooks and a lot of memory.
>
> tablet pc is a notebook. POINT. nothing more, nohting less.
>
>
>
Chris De Herrera
other than here.
--
Chris De Herrera
http://www.cewindows.net
http://www.tabletpctalk.com
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
news:e6xicWS...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
ACE!!!
Not every user wants a 3 pound boot-time-dependant mechanically
fragile computer to lug around when they can have something the
size of a wallet that can do the same tasks, faster, and more mobile.
Who are you to dictate the future of mobile computing?
~S.
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in
news:uau0nUSJ...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
> power of processors grows and soon very small tablet pc-s will make
> pocket pc obsolete.
>
>
>
--
ACE!!!
you lack some social skills and objectivity.
All you're doing here is flaming around your personal
opinion. You'd do good to keep your trap shut till
you have learned to be less opinionated.
~S.
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in
news:e6xicWS...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>> Ms Mobiles, We wish you all the best in your future endevours.
>
> no!
>
> http://msmobiles.com news items will be extended soon with new category
> "Tablet PC" and Windows Mobile will stay - that's why Chris De Herrera
> hates me because it will be direct competition to his website.
>
> in mid-term WINDOWS MOBILE IS NOT DEAD
> but in long-term yes.
>
www.msmobiles.com
"ACE!!!" <ace_ru...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Xns94CFDD19096D8F...@207.46.248.16...
> Disagree - Because Tablet pc's will NEVER fit in your pocket.
> Not every user wants a 3 pound boot-time-dependant mechanically
> fragile computer to lug around when they can have something the
> size of a wallet that can do the same tasks, faster, and more mobile.
yes, they will, it is only a question of time.
pocket pc now have power of former ibm pc desktop computers.
tablet pc are available also in smaller (not full-size) editions and in 2-3
years
you will see tablet pc-s so small as some current pocket pc-s...
it is unavoidable due to technological progress.
www.msmobiles.com
> I think you're not much competition for Chris since
> you lack some social skills and objectivity.
readers need interesting news and some unique content not found elsewhere,
readers don't care much for social skills of writers.
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really arent worth arguing about..
Mitch
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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Tero Lehto
> like it does on other cell phones. Also, the standby time is over
> 100 hours and talk time is over 2 hours and instant on for alarms
> like the Pocket PC.
That's a nice theory about standby times. Have you used some device that
actually offers that? All the ones I've tried have lasted only for about a
day or two when the SmartPhone is not used for anything else but waiting
standby.
--
Tero Lehto
http://lehto.net/tero/
Chris De Herrera
Every weekend I leave it in standby all weekend without charging and it's
not dead at the end of the weekend when I go back to work.
The same thing is true for my PPCPE.
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http://www.cewindows.net
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"Tero Lehto" <tero-...@lehto.net> wrote in message
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Leigh Geary (MVP)
I always try and act professional and help out in here as much as possible.
But I have to say.. Jacek, you're a chuffing maniac at times.
--
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MS-MVP/Mobile Devices - Smartphone
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
news:eC$bxsMJE...@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> ms smartphone is a handicapped pocket pc
>
> pocket pc is a handicapped tablet pc
>
www.msmobiles.com
>I always try and act professional and help out in here
as much as possible.
>But I have to say.. Jacek, you're a chuffing maniac at
times.
it is a fact that cheap tablet pc-s are reaching price
range of top notch pocket pc-s and once having tablet pc
one really doesn't need ms smartphone. so you must
understand that it is not something maniacalish, but
simply a matter of technological progress.
if you have tablet pc, then does it really make sense to
have MS Smartphone? why? wouldn't some simple bluetooth
enable phone from sony ericsson be much better in this
combo ?
what should I tell people who ask me: "what to buy:
tablet pc with simple non-smartphone non-pda-phone
cellphone, or regular notebook with pocket pc or
smartphone?"
times are changing and I am sure that more MS employees
use tablet PC computers than MS powered cellphonez. I am
SURE OF THIS. And trends are going in such direction that
I really don't know whether in 5 years there will be
windows mobile powered cellphones... PROVE me that I am
wrong with some argumentation instead of labeling
me "maniac"!
P Green
forgot to take today.
get a life.
The PocketTV Team
>
> I really don't know whether in 5 years there will be
> windows mobile powered cellphones...
If I want to carry just a cellphone (but nothing larger), mostly for use as
a phone, but still would like to be able to check my email and occasionally
(VERY occasionally) access the web, then something like a Smartphone makes
sense.
Hummm... I mean, it would make sense it it was a good cellphone to start
with (not always the case with current models, e.g. poor battery life and
caller-id not always working) and if the other advanced features like email
sync were really working well (i had very bad experiences, with 30 min to
sync my imap folders). So if Smartphone was doing well what is advertized,
I might trade my old Nokia for one of them.
But right now I just don't trust Smartphone enough, and I'm not ready to
risk a dreadful hard-reset and loose all my contacts. On my Nokia, I know
my contacts are safely in the SIM card :)
Now it's true that Tablet PC can be made small and can look somehow like
Pocket PCs. But still, they will require more memory, more storage, because
they run full-fledge Windows XP, and they also require a Pentium-compatible
processor, which probably uses more power the Xscale.
So I think Pocket PC's can be cheaper, much cheaper, than Tablet PCs. So
they can have a market, because they bring useful features with lower price
and better battery life.
Even if technology improves, it will improve for both platforms, so if
Tablet PCs get cheaper and better, so will Pocket PCs.
Evidently the decision makers at Microsoft just don't know which market will
become more profitable, so thay play on every number and hope that one will
win the jackpot, or at least that they will not miss an opportunity to make
some profit.
Sometimes, a Platform ends-up in the dusty closets of computer history, like
the WinCE-based H/PC's... even though B-square keeps a couple of models
under life support.
si
Do you think that in 500 years time destop pc will be as big as they are
now?
You'd think the answer would be no but its a yes.
The reason is that as soon as you start to shrink the size and increase the
power of computers, people will want more powerful computers, so when it
becomes possible for the current speeds to become have the size, people will
want double the power - so the size doubles too so it stays the same size.
Well, see if I'm right in the next 20 years, but bear in mind that current
PC's aren't any smaller than the 286's and the 386's of yesteryear.
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"Chris De Herrera" <ch...@cewindows.net> wrote in message
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Todd Allcock
> range of top notch pocket pc-s and once having tablet pc
> one really doesn't need ms smartphone. so you must
> understand that it is not something maniacalish, but
> simply a matter of technological progress.
Hmm, didn't you recently crucify Ed Hansberry in your "review" of MS
MVPs for offering this same advice- (except in Ed's case he was
pairing a PPC to a non-MS bluetooth phone.)
Now you make essentially the same suggestion (better computing device
than Smartphone + bluetooth phone beats Smartphone.) When Ed did it
he was "anti-Microsoft." What does this make YOU?
> if you have tablet pc, then does it really make sense to
> have MS Smartphone?
If I have a bluetooth PPC does it make sense?
> why? wouldn't some simple bluetooth
> enable phone from sony ericsson be much better in this
> combo ?
I dunno. Ask Ed. When he said this you called him every name in the
book...
> what should I tell people who ask me: "what to buy:
> tablet pc with simple non-smartphone non-pda-phone
> cellphone, or regular notebook with pocket pc or
> smartphone?"
You should tell them you need to know more about their particular
requirements rather than tell them what works for you.
> times are changing and I am sure that more MS employees
> use tablet PC computers than MS powered cellphonez. I am
> SURE OF THIS. And trends are going in such direction that
> I really don't know whether in 5 years there will be
> windows mobile powered cellphones... PROVE me that I am
> wrong with some argumentation...
In 5 years, Smartphones will do vastly more than they do today. As
will tablets, notebooks and desktops. And in 5 years there will still
be computing power vs. size/weight vs. battery life compromises to me
made leaving room for all platforms, just like today.
> ...instead of labeling
> me "maniac"!
Considering you're now on Ed's side, I'd add "schizophrenic" to
maniac, myself...
Marc Zimmermann [MVP]
>risk a dreadful hard-reset and loose all my contacts. On my Nokia, I know
>my contacts are safely in the SIM card :)
You do know that you can use SIM contacts on a Smartphone as well, right?
I've never had a commercial-quality Smartphone (i.e. not the Red-E) hard
reset on me all of a sudden, anyway.
--
Marc Zimmermann
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices
Pocket PC User Groups http://www.clubpocketpc.de
Personal Homepage http://www.zimac.de
Marc Zimmermann [MVP]
>>> 100 hours and talk time is over 2 hours and instant on for alarms
>>> like the Pocket PC.
>>
>>
>> That's a nice theory about standby times. Have you used some device that
>> actually offers that?
>
>Every weekend I leave it in standby all weekend without charging and it's
>not dead at the end of the weekend when I go back to work.
Erm, a weekend is 48 hours and not 100. The latter is definitely a fantasy
number for any Smartphone that I know.
>The same thing is true for my PPCPE.
My HTC Wallaby (xda/MDA) can do about 100 hours, that's right.
Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices
running essentially the same OS that full size devices run, is that because
the hardware sometime in the future allows it, or the OS for the small
device has evolved to allow it. I certainly don't dispute that if you could
run WinXP, or Longhorn, in a form factor similar to the 4155, that would be
preferable, assuming you still have the instant on feature, but when that
happens (not if, BTW) is that a much better Pocket PC, or a tiny Tablet?
Call it what you like. Your premise was that Windows Mobile was on it's way
out. If that is the case than Smartphones are gone with it. Might as well
start looking at Nokias.
--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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Maverick
So much for the high hopes we all had. You should
reconsider ur decision.
>-----Original Message-----
>no!
>
>http://msmobiles.com news items will be extended soon
with new category
>"Tablet PC" and Windows Mobile will stay - that's why
Chris De Herrera hates
>me because it will be direct competition to his website.
>
>in mid-term WINDOWS MOBILE IS NOT DEAD
>but in long-term yes.
>
>
>
>.
>
Rob B.
"si" <a...@a.com> wrote in message
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>
> Well, see if I'm right in the next 20 years, but bear in mind that current
> PC's aren't any smaller than the 286's and the 386's of yesteryear.
>
Not quite true. Perhaps the case is similar in size, but motherboards have
gotten smaller. Hard drives have gotten smaller. Remember the old MFM and
RLL hard drives? You could fit two current IDE hard drives inside of one of
those. Ram has shrank. I remember buying 64K and 128K chips, yes individual
chips. Now you can get 1GB on a single DIMM stick. This is all within 20 or
so years time.
Rob
The PocketTV Team
news:luk680lilbc2qqpkb...@4ax.com...
> >But right now I just don't trust Smartphone enough, and I'm not ready to
> >risk a dreadful hard-reset and loose all my contacts. On my Nokia, I
know
> >my contacts are safely in the SIM card :)
>
> You do know that you can use SIM contacts on a Smartphone as well, right?
Yes, but it's complicated and not the default. By default, when you add a
contact, it's not copied in the SIM, you have to copy it explicitely, don't
you ?
> I've never had a commercial-quality Smartphone (i.e. not the Red-E) hard
> reset on me all of a sudden, anyway.
I had bad experiences with a commercial-grade Smartphone. I hard to
hard-reset it several time, after it did corrupt/erased large parts of
registry.
Digga
No one gives a damn what you say any more. This NG is supposed to be here to
help people out with advice and problem solving, not an arena to bitch about
each other.
At the end of the day, Windows is Windows in whatever form Microsoft wish to
market it.
D
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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Barry Dorrans
The PocketTV Team typed:
> Yes, but it's complicated and not the default. By default, when you
> add a contact, it's not copied in the SIM, you have to copy it
> explicitely, don't you ?
Same with recent nokias, as SIMs don't appear to support more than one
number per entry, so if you want to have one "John Smith" entry with a
home, work and mobile number you have to store it in the phone.
Maverick
contacts, calendar entry etc. So in the event of a hard
reset, it just takes a couple of minutes restore
everything.
PS: I am not on Orange network. But it works ;-).
>.
>
si
"Rob B." <inse...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Knob?
Did I say that the components won't get any smaller? Did I?
I suggest that you learn to read properly or at least get an adult to help
you read!!!
ACE!!!
turn into pocket pc's.
~S.
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in
news:eEUaOWY...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> yes, they will, it is only a question of time.
> pocket pc now have power of former ibm pc desktop computers.
> tablet pc are available also in smaller (not full-size) editions and in
> 2-3 years
> you will see tablet pc-s so small as some current pocket pc-s...
>
> it is unavoidable due to technological progress.
>
>
--
ACE!!!
viewers.
~S.
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in
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>
> readers need interesting news and some unique content not found
> elsewhere, readers don't care much for social skills of writers.
>
>
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Jim Koornneef
Check out:
http://www.oqo.com/hardware/specs/
With a device that small/powerful, I really don't know if the PocketPC will
live in the long term.. On the other hand, the PPC will still be far
cheaper for quite some time (hey, the XP OS alone is big bucks rel. to the
price of a PocketPC.) and is more specialized than XP tablet: faster access
to contacts, calendar, etc.
Don't think I'll be getting one and putting eVC on just yet :-)
Still. the Oqo is a sweet little box.
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Specifications
1GHz Transmeta CrusoeT TM5800 series processor
20GB hard drive (shock-mounted)
256MB DDR RAM
Dimensions: 4.9" x 3.4" x .9"
Weight: 14 ounces
800 x 480 W-VGA 5" transflective display (indoor / outdoor readable)
Thumb keyboard with mouse buttons and TrackStik®
802.11b wireless
Bluetooth®
4-pin FireWire® (1394)
USB 1.1
3.5mm stereo headphone jack (supports stereo headphone or mono headset plus
optional multimedia controller)
Microphone
Digital pen
Removable lithium polymer battery
Battery life 2-6 hours, depending on usage
OQO docking cable includes
3D accelerated 1280x1024 VGA video output
Ethernet
Audio out
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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James Kendrick
embrace of VGA the Windows Mobile platform is about to take off in my
opinion.
While VGA might not make a difference to some I can relate what it's
done for me. In one word- productivity. I often leave my laptop at
home now and just take the e805. There is no way I could do that with
QVGA, it's just too hard to work with documents, spreadsheets, and web
browsing otherwise.
VGA allows me to work with original Word documents via TextMaker, and
see enough of the document on the screen at one time to be truly
useful. Editing, reviewing, and creating Word documents is just as
easy as on my laptop. Spreadsheets had been relegated to "view only"
before the e805 and VGA opened that up to put enough of a worksheet on
the screen at once to make productivity really possible. I use a lot
of spreadsheets that are both complex in formulas and also formatting
and I can bring them along with me everywhere for reference and
modification. Pocket Excel is mostly OK but with limitations but
PlanMaker is a boon to me. All formulas and formatting are maintained
so I can work with native Excel sheets on the e805.
Landscape in VGA is useful for both spreadsheets and web browsing. I
can view almost any web site with very little scrolling at all. I do
not even use mobile editions of any web sites any more as I was
relegated to in QVGA. I routinely maintain PocketPC Tools from my
e805.
I went on a two day business trip a week ago and didn't even take my
laptop. I had presentations, reports, agreements, and digital images
all with me and was able to demonstrate technical points to clients
from the e805. I even gave one presentation via the presentation pack.
This is not merely "cool" stuff nor "wow factor" stuff (although my
clients were blown away)- this is mainstream productivity tool type
stuff. The tiny controls you mention are directly addressed with SE
but frankly I prefer them. The key for me is the document that's on
the screen.
As with anything tech related YMMV but I believe that VGA is going to
permanently change the direction of the handheld technology as it
becomes apparent to a bigger audience that the PPC is not just for
reference anymore.
James Kendrick
www.pocketpctools.com
....using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs.
James Kendrick
and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000
vaccuum tubes and perhaps weigh 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, March 1949
www.msmobiles.com
"The PocketTV Team" <do-not-rep...@pockettv.com> schrieb im
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>
> Sometimes, a Platform ends-up in the dusty closets of computer history,
like
> the WinCE-based H/PC's... even though B-square keeps a couple of models
> under life support.
>
... and like pocket pc, but tablet pc will be forever.
The PocketTV Team
>
> > Sometimes, a Platform ends-up in the dusty closets of computer history,
> like
> > the WinCE-based H/PC's... even though B-square keeps a couple of models
> > under life support.
>
> ... and like pocket pc, but tablet pc will be forever.
frankly, i doubt it.
the installed base of Pocket PC is too large for the platform to disapear,
and it is not a commercial failure.
Pocket PC will evolve, but unlikely to die any time soon.
si
Did I say that the components won't get any smaller? Did I?
Jason Dunn
> you read!!!
And I suggest you calm down and realize that this group is here for people
to help each other, not get into fights. Your aggression level is completely
inappropriate.
si
"Jason Dunn" <www.smartphonethoughts.com> wrote in message
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Its match winning though...
Lorne Smith
here...
2) My 4 year old has neater handwriting than you! ;-)
3) In the English language, the word "phones" is NOT spelt with a Z at the
end.... If you want to be a journalist, try learning to spell...
"www.msmobiles.com" <nos...@msmobiles.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Maverick" <anon...@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:0c5801c425ce$d51a5560$a101...@phx.gbl...
> > Ms Mobiles... u broke our hearts :-(
> >
> > So much for the high hopes we all had. You should
> > reconsider ur decision.
> >
>
> see attachment
>
>
>
Lorne Smith
Not really.. It just makes people tar you with the same brush as Jacek...
You sure you want to be in that group?
si
"Lorne Smith" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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I don't think that will happen. He has the wit of a dead owl and looks like
a kiddy fiddler!!!