PING BRUCE HAGEN
Ray
I saw this post after a disastrous crash but did not see the response to it.
This happened after I installed IE8.
>> I'm fairly sure that at some point in the past I could click on the
>> message 'identifier' (shown in blue) and the full, original, message
>> would appear in a new OE6 window. That no longer happens - in fact,
>> nothing happens at all!
>>
>> You know about these things. Please, can you tell me why?
--
Ray
_________________________________________________
Bruce Hagen
for sure what that poster was asking about. Define your version of: message
'identifier' (shown in blue).
Regarding: PING BRUCE HAGEN, I'm not the only one around here.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
"Ray" <rba...@nwi.net> wrote in message
news:OaSNEp%23CKH...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
it was ~BD~'s post and was mostly ignored, so this poster found no
answer.
IIRC ~BD~'s problem was remedied at next automatic update. His was the
news://
one specifically.
You may have been the only one to reply to ~BD~ in that thread, so this
poster has no other name to cry out for help to.
~BD~ doesn't help anyone by flitting around dragging entangled threads
with him.
"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23e6%23JH$CKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Bruce Hagen
<QP>
it was ~BD~'s post
</QP>
That explain it all. I replied? Nope I don't do drugs. <eg>
~Bruce
"FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
"FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:O5WyRf$CKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
BoaterDave
wrote:
> Hyperlinks in OE.
>
> it was ~BD~'s post and was mostly ignored, so this poster found no
> answer.
>
> IIRC ~BD~'s problem was remedied at next automatic update. His was the
> news://
> one specifically.
>
> You may have been the only one to reply to ~BD~ in that thread, so this
> poster has no other name to cry out for help to.
>
> ~BD~ doesn't help anyone by flitting around dragging entangled threads
> with him.
>
> "Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:%23e6%23JH$CKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> > Please state in your own words what your issue is. I don't recall
> > knowing for sure what that poster was asking about. Define your
> > version of: message 'identifier' (shown in blue).
>
> > Regarding: PING BRUCE HAGEN, I'm not the only one around here.
> > --
>
> > Bruce Hagen
> > MS-MVP [Mail]
> > Imperial Beach, CA
>
> >news:OaSNEp%23CKH...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>I am using WindowsXP Pro SP3 and Outlook Express 6
>
> >> I saw this post after a disastrous crash but did not see the response
> >> to it.
> >> This happened after I installed IE8.
>
> >>>> I'm fairly sure that at some point in the past I could click on the
> >>>> message 'identifier' (shown in blue) and the full, original,
> >>>> message
> >>>> would appear in a new OE6 window. That no longer happens - in fact,
> >>>> nothing happens at all!
>
> >>>> You know about these things. Please, can you tell me why?
>
> >> --
> >> Ray
> >> _________________________________________________
@ FTR
You have a good memory! ;>)
Did *you* see the reply by Robert Aldwinckle?
--
Dave
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
news:ed850b05-ef8c-4eb4...@h21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
You have a good memory! ;>)
Did *you* see the reply by Robert Aldwinckle?
***
Yes, but you never indicated that it was of any help to you. Robert
always seems to me to be knowledgeable. What I remembered was your post
about it being fixed and your not knowing how that happened. I expected
to see again, PA's canned response that includes a link to someone elses
excellent procedure for correcting the problem (if still no joy then...)
which never came.
***
~BD~
Thanks for that, FTR
You'll note, I'm sure, my post to Robert in 'microsoft.public.security'
earlier today.
Two new friends in another group tell me that PA Bear always posts from
Google Groups. Do you agree with that?
--
Dave
Tom Willett
"~BD~" <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
:
: Two new friends in another group tell me that PA Bear always posts from
:
:
:
:
~BD~
"Tom Willett" <t...@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
news:eyYCQ2FD...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Your obsession with PA Bear is quite disturbing.
*You* may look up details about him here if you wish, Tom
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?lc=1033
I'm only concerned about possible malpractice and/or impersonation.
Why are *you* 'here'? (and why have you dropped 'Pepper' from your
moniker?)
--
Dave
Ray
post, the blue highlighted line, which would open the post and show the
content in a new window. With IE8 nothing happens when I click on the blue
line.
--
Ray
_________________________________________________
"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
a Right Clock | Open. Do either of these ways work? If you enable the
Preview Pane, does the message body show there?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
"Ray" <rba...@nwi.net> wrote in message
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N. Miller
> Two new friends in another group tell me that PA Bear always posts from
> Google Groups. Do you agree with that?
I have never seen a genuine PA Bear post come through Google Groups. While
he uses a 'gmail.com' email address, I have not seen a PA Bear post from
Google Groups. Not unless he is prone to using proxies, so his
"NNTP-Posting-Host:" looks different. Something which could not be proven
(that a proxy user is the same as somebody else, not that he is, or isn't
using a proxy to access Google Groups).
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
N. Miller
>>> I'm fairly sure that at some point in the past I could click on the
>>> message 'identifier' (shown in blue) and the full, original, message
>>> would appear in a new OE6 window. That no longer happens - in fact,
>>> nothing happens at all!
>>>
>>> You know about these things. Please, can you tell me why?
> I am using WindowsXP Pro SP3 and Outlook Express 6
>
> I saw this post after a disastrous crash but did not see the response to it.
> This happened after I installed IE8.
If, by "message identifier" you mean something like this:
news:MPG.24d38672a...@us.news.astraweb.com
I think that is the wrong format to open anything. Without the "news:", it
would want to open my default email client. MSOE definitely doesn't open a
"Message-ID:" string for me. But it doesn't show MID$ as a hot link in the
message properties view. Try a real newsreader instead.
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
news:xkts984ucu58$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...
Yet it works if I paste the string into the Run box.
Right click the dead hyperlink, copy shortcut, bring up the run box,
paste the shortcut, enter.
ISTR single click functionality before - but I may be thinking Win9x and
IE6.
![PA Bear [MS MVP]'s profile photo](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/a-/ALV-UjXsf05hH-R8XChS3fXPPzfoO8FYYxAKhT86KfPnIELr3QJ9tQ=s40-c)
PA Bear [MS MVP]
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:46:54 +0100, 嚙踝蕭BD嚙踝蕭 wrote:
>> Two new friends in another group tell me that PA Bear always posts from
>> Google Groups. Do you agree with that?
>
> I have never seen a genuine PA Bear post come through Google Groups. While
> he uses a 'gmail.com' email address, I have not seen a PA Bear post from
> Google Groups. Not unless he is prone to using proxies, so his
> "NNTP-Posting-Host:" looks different. Something which could not be proven
> (that a proxy user is the same as somebody else, not that he is, or isn't
> using a proxy to access Google Groups).
I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other than my own
but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via Google Groups as well
as via the MS web-interface.
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
...and no more bottom posting in the MS newsgroups you naughty bear.
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e83fN1KD...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> N. Miller wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP]
FromTheRafters wrote:
> Well, cut it out!
>
> ...and no more bottom posting in the MS newsgroups you naughty bear.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e83fN1KD...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> N. Miller wrote:
Twayne
>> my own but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via Google
>> matter that would imply that you are writing only for you to read not
>> anyone else if it was no one else's busines it explains a lot in fact
>> you are only posting to see yourself in print then not to help people
>> so it makes sense all of a sudden some of your posts actually i think
>> thats a good idea and ill start doing that myself too i think thanks
>> for the idea maybe next time ill top pose and use all caps is that ok
>> with you
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
Go learn how to properly attribute posts to posters.
"Twayne" <nob...@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:OGvzLjTD...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
PA Bear [MS MVP]
FromTheRafters wrote:
> PA Bear didn't say all that.
>
> Go learn how to properly attribute posts to posters.
>
> <snip>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>> I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other
>>>> than
>>>> my own but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via Google
>>>> Groups as well as via the MS web-interface.
>>>>
Somebody else [BD?] wrote:
>>> ...ok so since it doesnt
~BD~
> [Quoting corrected below]
>
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> PA Bear didn't say all that.
>>
>> Go learn how to properly attribute posts to posters.
>>
>> <snip>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>>> I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other
>>>>> than
>>>>> my own but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via Google
>>>>> Groups as well as via the MS web-interface.
>>>>>
> Somebody else [BD?] wrote:
>>>> ...ok so since it doesnt
>>>> matter that would imply that you are writing only for you to read
>>>> not anyone else if it was no one else's busines it explains a lot
>>>> in fact you are only posting to see yourself in print then not to
>>>> help people so it makes sense all of a sudden some of your posts
>>>> actually i think thats a good idea and ill start doing that myself
>>>> too i think thanks for the idea maybe next time ill top pose and
>>>> use all caps is that ok with you
FYI
BoaterDave did *not* do so. No-one has ever seen any post of mine
written in such a poor manner!
Over time, I have established that, on Usenet, anyone can masquerade as
someone else (should they chose to do so) and that message headers can
be easily forged (by those who have studied such matters).
There is, though, no way that the average man-in-the-street computer
user would know that, consequently being easy prey for the bad guys.
--
Dave
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
news:uPgglubD...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> [Quoting corrected below]
>>
>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> PA Bear didn't say all that.
>>>
>>> Go learn how to properly attribute posts to posters.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>> I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> my own but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via
>>>>>> Groups as well as via the MS web-interface.
>>>>>>
>> Somebody else [BD?] wrote:
>>>>> ...ok so since it doesnt
>>>>> matter that would imply that you are writing only for you to read
>>>>> not anyone else if it was no one else's busines it explains a lot
>>>>> in fact you are only posting to see yourself in print then not to
>>>>> help people so it makes sense all of a sudden some of your posts
>>>>> actually i think thats a good idea and ill start doing that myself
>>>>> too i think thanks for the idea maybe next time ill top pose and
>>>>> use all caps is that ok with you
>
> FYI
>
> BoaterDave did *not* do so. No-one has ever seen any post of mine
> written in such a poor manner!
Indeed! That was Twayne - PA Bear probably only knew it was somebody in
his killfile.
It looked like Twayne's babble merged seemlessly with PA Bear's post.
Very bad form for usenet posting.
N. Miller
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e83fN1KD...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other than
>>> my own but yes, there are occasions when I post to a NG via Google
>>> Groups as well as via the MS web-interface.
So much, yes, he did write, but ...
>>> ... ok so since it doesnt matter that would imply that you are writing
>>> only for you to read not anyone else if it was no one else's busines it
>>> explains a lot in fact you are only posting to see yourself in print then
>>> not to help people so it makes sense all of a sudden some of your posts
>>> actually i think thats a good idea and ill start doing that myself too i
>>> think thanks for the idea maybe next time ill top pose and use all caps
>>> is that ok with you ...
Are not his words. Wow. Use a broken newsreader, and write a broken article.
My I recommend "OE-Quotefix"? It might not repair your writing style, but it
will fix your broken attributions; unless you are being intentionally
stupid.
~BD~
I'm now using Quotefix as you recommended - I trust things appear better
at your end. :)
As you are well aware, I'm really naive about the technicalities but the
header I'll add below doesn't (to me) appear to have been posted through
the web interface or through Google Groups.
I'd be grateful if you'd tell me how I've misunderstood matters if I've
got it wrong. Thank you.
___________________________________
Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>
From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com>
References: <2ce31$4a6bb0fe$c4db920$18...@DIALUPUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Ethernet VS USB broadband?
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:35:13 -0400
Lines: 15
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed;
charset="Windows-1252";
reply-type=response
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
Message-ID: <uhtR2vaD...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.152.248.232.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.152.248.232
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general:62242
____________________________
--
Dave
N. Miller
> I'm now using Quotefix as you recommended - I trust things appear better
> at your end. :)
>
> As you are well aware, I'm really naive about the technicalities but the
> header I'll add below doesn't (to me) appear to have been posted through
> the web interface or through Google Groups.
>
> I'd be grateful if you'd tell me how I've misunderstood matters if I've
> got it wrong. Thank you.
It was not. The posting agent is MS Outlook Express, which can't be used
with either the Microsoft communities web interface, or Google Groups. The
posting agent for each appears as:S
| User-Agent: G2/1.0 (for Google Groups)
... or:
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
... for the Microsoft Communities web interface.
The "Path:" and "Message-ID:" header lines are the clue. Along with knowing
that MS Outlook Express does not send a "Message-ID:" header line, so the
server adds one instead. The 'phx.gbl' domain is used by
'msnews.microsoft.com' for posts coming through that server via any NNTP
posting agent, such as MS Outlook Express, which does not allow the user to
set a domain for the MID$. Some NNTP posting agents, such as the Opera
client (which I've tested elsewhere) and 40tude Dialog (which I am using for
this article) do allow a custom domain to be set for the MID$.
~BD~
Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
'microsof.public.test.here'.
So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you tell?
TIA
Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>
From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com>
References: <OaSNEp#CKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<#e6#JH$CKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<O5WyRf$CKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<ed850b05-ef8c-4eb4...@h21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
<Oxgb5#EDKHA...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<eXkNuRFD...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<1l43c6mjgmj6q$.d...@msnews.aosake.net>
Subject: Re: PING BRUCE HAGEN
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:09:46 -0400
Lines: 16
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format=flowed;
charset="big5";
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X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
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Message-ID: <e83fN1KD...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.152.248.232.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.152.248.232
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general:62203
N. Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:46:54 +0100, ��BD�� wrote:
>> Two new friends in another group tell me that PA Bear always posts
>> from
>> Google Groups. Do you agree with that?
>
> I have never seen a genuine PA Bear post come through Google Groups.
> While
> he uses a 'gmail.com' email address, I have not seen a PA Bear post
> from
> Google Groups. Not unless he is prone to using proxies, so his
> "NNTP-Posting-Host:" looks different. Something which could not be
> proven
> (that a proxy user is the same as somebody else, not that he is, or
> isn't
> using a proxy to access Google Groups).
I have no idea why how I post to NGs is anybody's business other than my
N. Miller
> Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
> have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
> 'microsof.public.test.here'.
>
> So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you tell?
Most likely not a forgery. Posted through 'msnews.microsoft.com', using MS
Outlook Express, and through an ISP known to be used by ...
What does it matter, anyway? Forge posting isn't common, or uncommon. I've
been forged, myself. I've also set up assorted "nyms" for posting, depending
on which group I post to; though I try to keep a common "nym" on the MS help
groups. Your interest in a specific poster verges on obsession.
--
Norman
~deep in the night
~far off the light
~missing my headache
~BD~
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:34:12 +0100, ��BD�� wrote:
>
>> Thank you Norman. I appreciate the time and trouble you have taken. I
>> have noted the test posts you have made as examples in
>> 'microsof.public.test.here'.
>>
>> So ........... is the following detail a forgery - or cannot you
>> tell?
>
> Most likely not a forgery. Posted through 'msnews.microsoft.com',
> using MS Outlook Express, and through an ISP known to be used by ...
OK - it's probably not important at all - although not in accordance
with the statement made by PA Bear.
> What does it matter, anyway? Forge posting isn't common, or uncommon.
> I've been forged, myself. I've also set up assorted "nyms" for
> posting, depending on which group I post to; though I try to keep a
> common "nym" on the MS help groups. Your interest in a specific
> poster verges on obsession.
It matters only because PA Bear has lied. I know that, he knows that and
God knows too. There's no way that *you* can really know the truth. More
is the shame! :>(
I picked up this ...........
How come I must know
where obsession needs to go?
How come I must know
the direction of relieving?
On my younger son's grave it says "Like the sun in the night". He was a
computer guru, btw!
I tell you the truth, Norman.
--
Dave
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
>Your interest in a specific poster verges on obsession.
I think he passed "verge" some time back. :o\
PA Bear [MS MVP]
crossposting to OE General. Thanx
N. Miller
> Please stop feeding that troll. If you can't resist, at least stop
> crossposting to OE General.
I'll do what seems right at the time. But, just for you this time ...
:P
N. Miller
> It matters only because PA Bear has lied ...
Which I can't prove, one way, or the other. So it doesn't matter to me waht
you say about him. Other than continuing to rattle on looks says more about
you than him.
> I picked up this ...........
>
> How come I must know
> where obsession needs to go?
> How come I must know
> the direction of relieving?
Performed by a group called, "See Saw". Composed by Kajiura Yuki for the
/.HACK//sign/ animated TV series from Japan. She has also composed for the
/Noir/ anime TV series, and the new anime series, /Pandora Hearts/, since
April, 2009.
Seemed appropriate, though.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
N. Miller
> [At the very least, please stop crossposting his drivel to OE General]
No one holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read his drivel. Is there?
PA Bear [MS MVP]
~BD~
Oh dear! Now you've done it, Norman!
This is PA Bear's space and you have challenged his position!
He gave me a <plonk> some years ago (without reason IMO) - I'll bet you
he wishes now that he'd never done so!
My advice ......... Do not trust him.
--
Dave
Twayne
Cross posted to several invisible newsgroups so paw won't have to do it.