Discussion thread for Specification Push vs Pull Vote

[John Clingan]

Please do NOT comment AT ALL on the voting thread. Place voting process questions or voting text comments here.

Thanks.

[Emily Jiang]

Hi John,

There are 56 committers, but the spreadsheet you created has 51. There are 5 missing from the list including myself. Can you please double check?

Emily

[John Clingan]

This was brought up on thee call and I found the missing entries. Thanks for pointing it out. Always open to another once-over!

Thanks.

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[Mark Little]

Oops ;)

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[Michael Edgar]

My name is misspelled in the spreadsheet. Will that impact my vote?

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[John Clingan]

No, LOL. I fixed it. The spreadsheet has caused me more grief .... :-)

Thanks for the heads up.

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:47:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Edgar wrote:

My name is misspelled in the spreadsheet. Will that impact my vote?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:39 AM Mark Little <mli...@redhat.com> wrote:

Oops ;)

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[Bruno Borges]

Once the voting is complete, can we vote a rebrand from Eclipse MicroProfile to Eclipse MicroSpecs?

:-)

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-7, John Clingan wrote:

No, LOL. I fixed it. The spreadsheet has caused me more grief .... :-)

Thanks for the heads up.

On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 4:47:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Edgar wrote:

My name is misspelled in the spreadsheet. Will that impact my vote?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:39 AM Mark Little <mli...@redhat.com> wrote:

Oops ;)

On 10 Mar 2020, at 21:27, John Clingan <jcli...@redhat.com> wrote:

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[John Clingan]

You are a troublemaker, LOL.

Technically, if MicroProfile becomes a working group, it will no longer require the Eclipse prefix (eg There is no "Eclipse Jakarta EE"). It will just be MicroProfile :-)

So the trademark search, which I am assuming you will donate to, would be "MicroSpecs" :-)

[Amelia Eiras]

I am actually pretty excited to see the naming evolution of Eclipse MicroProfile into just MicroProfile! 

Pretty exciting times ahead :) 

[Alasdair Nottingham]

So I wasn't on the call where this was discussed and since I abstained I wanted to explain why since it wasn't because I wasn't on the call.

As far as I can tell irrespective of whether a push or pull approach were adopted a pull model could always be used by other spec orgs.

In the context of Jakarta EE given the high level of people who are engaged in both MicroProfile and Jakarta EE if an MP item were to be pulled into Jakarta EE I would expect it would be done with the involvement of at least a subset of the people working on MicroProfile which makes the push vs pull distinction rather arbitrary. Likewise once it gets pulled I suspect a desire to continue development of the standard in both places will naturally wain.

Since I don't really see there being any practical difference between the two models I've abstained since there isn't a neither option.

Alasdair

[John Clingan]

Just a note for the record - there are Live Hangout meeting minutes and the calls are recorded.

[John Clingan]

This is a friendly reminder to vote on the push vs pull thread. Voting ends at the start of the Live Hangout tomorrow, leaving roughly 25 hours to go.

[Ondro Mihályi]

I very much agree with Alasdair here. The distinction between pull and push is not very big. However, the pull statement is much easier to understand and follow in the future, therefore I voted for pull. I believe that MicroProfile will be able to progress on its own to create a good starting point for Jakarta EE specs and later MicroProfile will adopt some more Jakarta EE specs.

Ondro

[Steve Millidge]

Voted abstain as the arguments have been reduced to a single useful option artificially

[Laird Nelson]

Oracle's statement:

Oracle would prefer that the MicroProfile effort align more closely with the work that is being undertaken in Jakarta EE. We see tremendous alignment and opportunity in these technologies operating collectively and seamlessly together. To the extent that these efforts can be more closely coordinated, we think that is a positive outcome for both the development and the user communities.

We would prefer that these two organizations continue to evolve their processes toward a common goal in an effort to provide as much community leverage and acceptance as possible. Otherwise, we foresee challenges ahead as dependency relationships force projects to be cleaved off as divergent forks that would require multiple, disparate maintenance efforts. This would be a challenge to our precious development community resources as well as compatibility challenges to our users.

With this in mind, we are casting our vote for the Push model so that we can work to make this process work for both efforts.