Why Derek Mannering insists on making comments on a subject (singing) about which he knows nothing is beyond me. Equally baffling is that no-one on the Rense forum makes the slightest attempt to question the validity of his statements. When it comes to studio recordings vs live singing, for example, someone should explain to him that, as Domingo and others have stated, it is more difficult to record an operatic aria on its own, or outside the full context of the work, where you have the benefit of creating a role from beginning to end with the rest of the singers and, hopefully, a competent conductor.
In Domingo’s case, he found it difficult to record even arias from operas that he had sung numerous times on the stage. Therefore, it must have been doubly difficult for Lanza since, with the exception of the Butterfly duet, he had not sung any of the roles he recorded in full.
Mannering's questioning of whether Lanza would have performed the aria with "the same warmth and intensity had he sung the entire role [of Rodolfo] on stage.” is equally absurd. There are numerous examples of outstanding live singing by Lanza, and I would venture that with more stage experience and, above all, a better conductor, Lanza would have surpassed his recording of Che Gelida Manina which, although well sung, is musically faulty due to the incompetent conducting.
While on the subject of this recording, last year I had occasion to play it for Renato Palumbo who was conducting a series of performances of Aida in Melbourne. Since he was not overly familiar with Lanza, I didn’t tell him who the tenor or the conductor was.
This was his response.
He said the singer had an important voice, but that it was obvious he hadn’t very much experience singing opera.
About the conducting he stated that whoever it was not only was an extremely poor conductor, but that he had not the slightest clue how to conduct Puccini. He added that the entire approach is wrong, that he brings nothing out of the orchestra and leaves the singer entirely to his own devices. He also asked me if it was a live performance, and when I told him it was a studio recording he was surprised that it was released and not rejected.
I chose Che Gelida Manina for the latest Lanza CD release “Mario Lanza in Hollywood” Mannering proudly tells his disciples on Rense’s forum. Fair enough - but a pity he also chose Libiamo, Make Believe, Among My Souvenirs, Lolita, Day In Day Out, A Vucchella, I Love Thee, What Is This Thing Called Love? and I’ll Never Love You, which are all badly sung!
Years ago someone asked me: “If you could ask a genie to grant you a wish what would it be? I replied: “Good health.”
But if I could now ask the genie for two further wishes they would be for Mannering to stop talking nonsense and, above all, to please never compile a Lanza CD again!
Hi Derek: The music score is an essential part in analysing a performance. It’s the only way to determine whether the reading of it is in accordance with the composer’s intentions.
By following the operatic recordings that Lanza made with Callinicos with the music score it’s evident that the man had no idea how to conduct not only Puccini, but also the more demanding music of Verdi.
Yes, you might say, but then why did Lanza keep working with Callinicos? And here we have a parallel between the Lanza- Callinicos and Pavarotti -Magiera working collaborations.
Since neither Lanza or Pavarotti could sight read, they both relied heavily on the conductor and both conductors had monetary stakes in their respective tenors which were far too high to risk antagonising them.
In Lanza’s case, Callinicos ingratiated himself with the tenor by boosting the latter ego and constantly making sure that he would retain him as a conductor. Was Callinicos aware of his own limitations? I very much doubt it.
Similarly, Magiera, who, although better than Callinicos, was himself not a great conductor, would be loath to antagonise Pavarotti.
I was present at a rehearsal which was not open the public, but to only a few members of the press. Pavarotti acted as he was the conductor instead of Magiera. He kept addressing the latter in terms that were an embarrassment to those present and Magiera said nothing, not a single word.
So, here we have two singers who felt comfortable working with a particular conductor but, as you pointed out, does this mean that Lanza, in particular, couldn’t have worked with anyone else?
Of course, not- and he did. Imagine, for example, if Parmi Veder le Lagrime , the Forza aria or Niun Mi Tema had been conducted by Ferrara. With Callinicos the tempi are too fast in all three arias. Lanza is very good in both the Forza aria and Niun mi Tema but could have been even better at a slower tempo.
In summing up, Derek, all those who think this is a case of Callinicos bashing on my part have to do is just listen to the recordings and follow them with the respective music score. On the other hand one can choose to remain blissfully ignorant and continue to claim that Callinicos was a God sent for Lanza-such is life!
Ciao
ArmandoI remember a broadcast of Sir Thomas Beecham's 1956 complete recording of "La Boheme" on BBC radio when I was in my teens & there was an extensive introduction explaining how the recording came about & I remember being impressed that what I was hearing was how Puccini would have liked it performed because Beecham was working with Puccini in 1920 in London, not actually on "La Boheme" if I remember rightly, but Beecham brought his "La Boheme" score & worked through it with Puccini marking the score with all Puccini's instructions.Here is Jussi's "Che Gelida Manina" from that 1956 complete recording with what I have always been led to believe contains as close to Puccini's vision as we can hope for...
This is fascinating...
Hi Derek: As you know, when I met Antonio I had no idea that I’d be writing a book about his son. Unfortunately, Antonio died a mere 3 years later, but had he lived I certainly would have endeavoured to conduct more extensive interviews with him. As well as being a welcoming host he was more than willing to share his memories and discuss his son’s career –albeit with a veil of sadness in his voice.
I will be forever grateful to him for his kindness and co-operation.
As far as Lanza working collaboration with Callinicos is concerned, I think that what it boils down to is that in the majority of cases, singers, particularly inexperienced or musically unschooled ones, rely almost entirely on the conductor.
Even someone with the musical background of Maria Callas put her trust in the conductor she was working with- but then again what conductors! Serafin, Votto, De Fabritis, Von Karajan and many more of equal calibre.
When Nicola Rescigno asked Callas what she thought about the tempi of a number of arias they were to record, she replied, “You conduct and I’ll sing. Your job is to conduct, mine to sing.”
Saluti
Armando
Hi Derek: In answer to your question, I think that vocally
and musically Bjorling’s Che Gelida Manina is excellent, but I do find Beecham conducting
on the slow side, so I’m surprised to hear that he marked the score according
to Puccini’s instructions. As well as being musically accurate Bjorling has an attractive voice and sings well, but I simply
do not believe in his Rodolfo. Partly it has to do with the unconvincing
Italian and partly to his lack of involvement. Bjorling may sound like Rodolfo,
but Lanza is Rodolfo, and in a
theatre I don’t doubt for an instant which of the two would bring an audience
to its feet.
Ciao
Armando
Derek:I find it simply astonishing that the best Lanza’s daughter, Lisa, can come up with when talking about her father’s beginnings is that “He started his career by singing at different parties, venues and so on…..”
How about the two years of vocal coaching with former soprano Irene Williams, the award by Serge Koussevitszky of a scholarship in Tanglewood, where he received rave reviews for his Fenton and Rodolfo, the vocal studies with Gigli’s teacher Enrico Rosati, the nearly 100 concerts he sang with the Bel Canto Trio between 1947/48, his professional debut as Pinkerton in New Orleans? And much, much, more.
Her other comments, as you pointed out in an earlier thread, are full of mistakes.
She might well be, as has been reported, both a gracious and
lovely lady, but she is an extremely poor ambassador for her father.
Ciao,
Armando
By the way, Armando, thank you for all your insights into the singer-conductor relationship, I know a lot of people are mystified by the whole process, myself included :-)
If I had only 1 "Che Gelida Manina" it would be Mario's, he's a perfect Rodolfo & I love this recording. There are moments in other recordings with more inspired changes in tempo & better orchestral detail pulled out but overall Mario lifts this recording above all others for me. Talking about orchestral detail, one of the problems I have with this recording is a lack of detail in the orchestra, it all sounds a bit mushy, for want of a better word, even giving for the mono sound...
Yes! Jussi's Italian is a bit of a mess in spots & I know that's rich coming for me, I am a master at messing it up myself, but how come he was never told he was making these mistakes? He did it constantly accross his Italian language recordings...
I was listening to Toscanini's La Boheme broadcast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848us2-68I8 & I was amazed at his singing along with the singers & orchestra, I read his podium was actually miked so you can here him clearly living every moment... I found it fascinating but it is a very strange practice...
Ciao, Vince: It is, indeed, all a bit mystifying and you’re absolutely right about the lack of orchestral detail – the sound is mushy and the orchestra dead in the water! But I do agree with you that, regardless, Mario is a splendid Rodolfo.
It’s always been a mystery to me why various coaches and conductors didn’t correct the faulty pronunciation, not only of Jussi, but also Mario, and a few others. It would have been so simple!
As for Toscanini, he was utterly up himself, loved the sound of his own (speaking) voice, couldn’t stand being contradicted, and, in my opinion, is greatly overrated. I don’t think I have ever heard a worst performance La Traviata than his 1946 recording conducted at breakneck speed. It certainly didn’t do the singers any favours, and is virtually the complete opposite of what Verdi intended. But aside from some of the more knowledgeable Italian critics, dare to criticise Toscanini and you risk being lynched- such is the myth!
Cari saluti
Armando
P.S. Will write soon about our forthcoming trip to Europe.
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