Property Search

[Cody Daig]

I realized as I was calling around this morning that there should be some communication between us so that we don't call the same brokers twice by different people. So I have created a spreadsheet to keep track of that. But I cannot share this document outside of my domain unless I specifically add each user. So, if you want access to the spreadsheet to stay up to date on property leads and broker information, please reply here with your google drive email and I will add you!! (Or you can email me at co...@daig.me) Thanks!

Btw: as of this morning, I am just waiting on a couple brokers to call or email me back with some listings that are within our needs at a reasonable price.

Thanks!!

[Scott Converse]

Good idea on coordination.

I hadn't thought of this before but twin peaks mall might work for a short term space.

http://www.timescall.com/business/business-data/ci_23438699/twin-peaks-mall-owners-welcome-new-pop-up

A pop- up hackerspace.... :)

S

[Jeff Cragg]

I spoke with Kory Cash from The Campus at Longmont (former Susan Pratt properties, and landlord for my company).  In our discussion I advanced the idea of our organization eventually being a 501(c)3 organization and the potential of a charitable deduction for the property owner.  He said there is a common misconception with regard the the taxable deduction, and that "contribution" of leased space has no tax benefit to the property owner.  I confirmed this in IRS Publication 526 (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p526.pdf, page 8 under "Partial Interest in Property").  Essentially, the only way the property owner can get a tax deduction is by donating all or part of the property ownership to a qualified (ie, 501(c)3) charity.

I don't think this will derail our chances of getting a space, but it does shed light on why property owners aren't as "charitable" with donating free or reduced space to non-profits.

j.

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[Cody Daig]

I spoke with the Twin Peaks Mall. They will be sending me more information over later today. But they are interested and I think they can meet our budget. Their only concern is power usage. So, can I get clarification about how much power we will be using in this shorter termed space? Thanks!

(I'll post more details when I receive them)

[Cody Daig]

Here is the application. This needs to be submitted for them to go any further. So, I'm not sure how/who wants to tackle this one. 

[Jeff Cragg]

So, that certainly wouldn't be available 24/7, but it'd be a start.  Any idea on sqft cost?

j.

[Scott Converse]

Did they quote you any prices?  None in this document.

This is a weird commercial application.  They want ALOT of personal info that I'm not forking over, but maybe it's worth a discussion with them to see what they're looking for.  Do you have a name and number?

s

[Scott Converse]

More stuff from Mike Schnatzmeyer:

Went the traditional route of seeing what is out there, and called
Prudential, one the leading commercial brokers. Find their response,
attached. Of the properties listed, the Kimbark space, 2400 sq ft at
$3.95/sf NNN might be do-able.  Have leads on a couple of other non-listed
options, and drove around for an hour to get some more. Have some calls in
to the owners.  

[Doug Hines]

This space might be an option. It is at the corner of 2nd and Coffman (kitty corner to the Post Office, across from a welding shop). A few pics attached. The number on the for lease sign is (303)322-4793. I thought I would let someone in the real estate committee give a ring. It looks to be about 1,600 sq.ft., 4 garage doors, loading dock and office entrance.

Doug

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

Update re Joanna / The Flour Mill/Silo space.  

Joanna and family are still very interested.  Disappointed to have missed the Tue meeting, are planning on being out of town till July .  The family is involved in development/ construction, and are working up preliminary cost numbers.  The space is larger than originally discussed - standing now at about 4,000 sq. ft. for the main concrete shell, (plus the lean-to sheds).   I've suggested that they meet with us again before getting to far, to discuss our space needs relative to timing, staging, use requirements & program,  funding, etc..

Joanna would like to do that the first week in July.  I've offered to meet for free to share architectural/construction/land use concepts.  If we go this route, I'd also like to reach out to a specific locally based sustainable design firm to request their pro-bono assistance with preparing an energy-value/ cost-benefit analysis of building improvements.  Scott and I should contact Joanna in two weeks to schedule the next meeting.

FYI Have previously met with the owner of Twin Peaks, Allen Ginsborg, with reference to the St. Vrain River Corridor initiative.  He has publicly offered space to non-profit/local groups, as I recall, for free + NNN.   If traditional channels don't work for the best deal, let me know and I might be able to pursue this more directly, although I'm sure Allen is quite busy.

Mike

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

I just called re 2nd & Coffman.  Space has just been committed- he will contact me if the deal falls through.   FYI  It was 2,400 sq. ft, $1,650/ month - w/ owner paid expenses.

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

I will call re the 2nd and Coffman space. - Saw this site also, and and although rough, the location is steps from the Mill space, could work great in that regard.  FYI...both  the Mill and this site are in the 100-year floodplain.  Both sites should be suitable, though with respect to their raised 1st floors.  Others, such as next to the Corvette shop on Boston might be compromised by this fact.  Flood insurance.   .... , incidentally should not be overlooked as a budget item if required for our needs.  - M

[Cody Daig]

For the Mall: They didn't give me any specifics at all about the space. He really wanted that application to be submitted before he went any further. Which, I agree, it really ridiculous. The contact info is: Twin Peaks Mall Ross Carpenter (970) 377-1135 rcarp...@newmarkmerrill.com. Also, scott if you send me your email I can add you to the spreadsheet where we have all this contact info bundled together so we don't call the same place twice by different people (I already ran into that issue this morning.)

I also and pursuing a lead with KING Automotive Group to potentially use some space in their old buildings off 119 (right next to Old Chicago). I am going to meet with him tomorrow morning. However, I do also like the 1241 Kimbark space as well. From what I gathered about the space is that we can lease a space as small as 1,000 sq. ft. and go up to 18,881. I think this space will give us the most flexibility getting off the ground. 

[Cody Daig]

I will go ahead and schedule a showing of the Kimbark property too see if it fits our needs. I would like other people to come with. Let me know if your interested!!

Cody

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

150 Coffman is back on the market.  2400 sq. ft.  OH doors, loading dock, Details posted on spreadsheet.

Have a showing tentatively scheduled for 5:15 Tue the 18th before our next meeting. Let me know if anyone else is interested.

A little pricier than our desired budget, at $1650/mo, but the BIG plus is that it is only steps away from the FlourMill Silos, and would help with an easy transition, assuming the Mill works out.  Also would give a chance to get to know (and be known in) the area, with little services disruption during the move.

The Boston Ave space (posted on the spreadsheet) would share a building with an excavator/owner.  An old time friend, sympathetic to the cause, might offer some synergy with equipment use and negotiated rent.   

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

Cody, I can join you to see Kimbark if scheduled on Tuesday after the 5:15 showing of the 2nd and Coffman space, just before Meetup.

Mike

[Scott Converse]

Cody and Mike,

If you'll email me directly (scott.c...@gmail.com) I'll come along on any property showings you set up.

s

[Scott Converse]

I though I was on this list to see the property searches, but It's not showing up in my Gdrive folders.  ??

Can you resubscribe me?

Thx

s

[Cody Daig]

https://docs.google.com/a/daig.me/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Avr-M8aUWzwPdGJqWjBJYVR1UDlBOEM0VTRIakdCTmc&usp=sharing

Does that link work? Otherwise my visibility options are only within my domain. 

I also tried readding you. Sorry for the delay. I haven't been able to get on my email all day. Google blocked my ip address because It thought I was a robot today. 

Cody

[Cody Daig]

Mike: I will be there for the property showing today!! (may be a few minutes late depending on traffic tho)

I haven't been able to get a showing scheduled of the Kimbark property yet. Looks like I will finally get one Thursday, but I will let you guys know as soon as they call me back with a time. Also, the $3.95 NNN is only if you rent out the entire building. It goes up to about $8 NNN for about 3500sq.ft. Also, they said they will send me information on a couple of other properties they have that has a nice "reception" area and some offices in front and a warehouse style section in the back with an overhead door that will run about $1500/month. That's the latest of where I stand today.

Cody

[Cody Daig]

8a tomorrow is the property showing of 1241 Kimbark St. Let me know if you want to join or not. Thanks!

Cody

[Cody Daig]

Correction: The property showing was changed to about 5:15pm today.

970-682-5346 is my number if you want to call or text me.

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

Unlikely to be able to attend the Twin Peaks showing on Tue.  Good luck with that.  Will be out of town for a bit, returning after the 1st.  Let's stay in the loop with Joanna re the Mill site.

[Steve Briggs]

Hey all - we need your feedback on the logo concepts so we can finalize a design. Here are quick links:

http://www.wowpages.com/tinkermill/logos1.pdf

http://www.wowpages.com/tinkermill/logos2.pdf

Please refer to concepts using the numbers or letters to the right of each design.

Thanks!

 -- Steve

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Wow Pages

Portland, Maine

Boulder, Colorado

207-761-2450

888-325-5907

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[Scott Converse]

S

[Mike Harris]

I like S as well.

Mike

[Chandler Norris]

I like S as well as 6.  Perhaps the gearing on S and the font on six smashed together?  I like how tinkermill is half bold on 6.  I think it looks slightly better than the meshing on the M in the S.

These are all good, however!

On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:32:39 AM UTC-6, Steve Briggs wrote:

[Cody Daig]

S

[Lindsay Levkoff]

I like the design of 'S' but it may be hard to shrink well in its odd shape. I do like the inline design of 6. Perhaps we can combine them into one design?

On Monday, June 24, 2013, Cody Daig wrote:

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[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

Hi all. - FYI..... please see the LOGO thread regarding that discussion.  This is the Property Search thread.

[Michael Schnatzmeyer]

Regarding properties seen to date, (not including the Mall), I would have to say I like the Boston Ave / (Nixcavating) site best.  It has a private entry, two finished, insulated heated rooms in the front (for meetings, classes, outreach education etc (especially in winter)).  Clean bathroom, couple of closets, wired for net. Carpet can be pulled from one or both offices as needed (per the owner).  It has a large shop space in the rear with OH (overhead) doors.  Plenty of power.  A rough, unfinished storage or overflow space above the finished spaces.  Secured, fenced rear yard.  The building/site is owned/shared by an excavator with lots of his own heavy equipment as well as tools, welders, winches, etc. etc.  Owner is a "creative" and interested in the Makerspace concept.  Could have some synergy with his businesses. Exactly what space is available is a bit unclear as it was shown by an employee after hours, and the space was previously divided in different ways for previous tenants.  Actual space available, yard space use/access, parking, lease rate, etc. and a bit more would need to be discussed in greater detail if there is any interest in this space.    - Am out of town for a week - see you in July.

[Scott Converse]

Michael,

The mall visit was great.  3000 SF for $500 mo, total.  Good until they tear down the mall (targeted for October).

BUT.. that's a temporary solution.  Two questions about Nix:

What's the full size of the available space.

What's the actual (negotiated to lowest possible number) rent?

If it low enough, like, in the under $1000 a mo range, and it's big enough, like, 1500-2000SF, that might be a better long term option.

s

[Scott Converse]

UPDATE on space.  THREE choices:  The mall,  The city,  Private commercial.

THE MALL:

I visited the Mall yesterday and was shown three spaces.  

1200SF

1500SF

3000SF

$250 mo for the two smaller ones.

$500 mo for the big one (which also has a back door giving us 24/7 access).

All have a private bathroom.  None have a kitchen.

The upside:  Cheap, HUGE easy to use space, one big room, ability to pilfer abandoned tables, chairs, etc. from around the mall.  We can effectively destroy the space with no consequence (they told me to 'go ahead and rip up the rugs if you want').  NO lease.

The downside:  Short time frame.  If they get the OK to shut down and tear down the mall starting in October, they'll start kicking people out in Sept.

THE CITY

The asst. city manager is actively looking for space for us.  

They will find something we can use.  May not be perfect, but it'll work.

I doubt we'll have anything from them in the next week or two, maybe longer, though (it's a city, they work slow).

The upside:  It'll be FREE.  No cost.  (possibly utilities, but even that's unlikely).  It links us with the city (we'll get quick access to services like Gigabit Fiber, grants, businesses, donations, etc.).  No lease.

The Downside:  Not much, other than it'll take awhile and it'll be limited in it's use (likely not 24/7 access.  Likely not a space we can get too messy in, but not sure on that).

PRIVATE COMMERCIAL

The NIX excavating spot looks promising and the Kimbark property does as well.  Both are likely to be around $1000+ plus utilities (figure, best case $1400 a month total).

Both are designed for this kind of thing (cement floors, bay doors, 220 power (likely), etc.).

The upside:  No time limits, no functional limits (we can do anything we want in either space, including really messy stuff like welding).  

The downside:  Expensive rent and utilities.  Long term (at least 1 year) lease.

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My personal inclination, and the group that attended the meeting last night (about 15 of us) is the following:

- Say yes to the Mall space.  (big one).  $500 is cheap.  Do it now and get started on collecting gear and making the TinkerMill entity real (on paper and in the real world)

- Say yes to the City and, when they come through, move from the mall space (could be 3 weeks from now, could be 3 months, either way, no lease on the mall space, no downside other than having to move).

- Hold off on commercial space until 1) we see what the city offers and 2) we see what happens with the Old Mill property.

Thoughts?  Input? Agreement? Rebellion?

s

[Cody Daig]

I agree!!!! 

I did email Jason again and he is going to speak to the landlord one more time to see what he can get him down too in price. The landlord seems interested as he wanted more information into what we would be doing.

Cody

[Steve Briggs]

agreement!

My personal inclination, and the group that attended the meeting last night (about 15 of us) is the following:

- Say yes to the Mall space.  (big one).  $500 is cheap.  Do it now and get started on collecting gear and making the TinkerMill entity real (on paper and in the real world)

- Say yes to the City and, when they come through, move from the mall space (could be 3 weeks from now, could be 3 months, either way, no lease on the mall space, no downside other than having to move).

- Hold off on commercial space until 1) we see what the city offers and 2) we see what happens with the Old Mill property.

Thoughts?  Input? Agreement? Rebellion?

[Doug Hines]

These spaces might already have been reviewed, but I wanted to point them out in case they were not (one is fairly recently open). There is one at 1507 Nelson Rd. (pic attached) that has 3,600 sq.ft., 1,800 sq.ft., and 900 sq.ft. available. The sign reads $6 - $9 and the phone is 303.931.9658. There is also a space that just opened up. It is on South Main (great visibility) and in the same building as the Goodyear Tire shop. Not sure of the address, but it would be about the 200 or 300 block of South Main. It is 5,000 sq.ft. some finished retail in the front and garage type space in the rear. It was a thrift shop recently, so might not be too expensive. Sorry I haven't gotten a pic or contact info.

[Scott Converse]

Swung by the one pictured...it would work well. Not sure on cost though.   I'll call them later today.

The one on Main Street is a Tebo property.  Had him as a landlord in Boulder many years ago.  Not a pleasant experience, but, still, worth a look.  Age sometimes mellows people.  :)

S

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