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I know the folks working on the caravan are working how to strip it out,
with the intent of scrapping the superstructure as it's not safe to
move.
The income is less than the expenditure after all this time, if this is accurate LHS is not sustainable even as it is without the lease expiring.
I really hope LHS can survive this but it's gonna take a hell of a taking to do so.
I meant it when I said at the beginning of the year that we needed to
start work right away to survive as an entity. We're seven months past
that. I personally cannot see how the LHS is going to survive. I don't
think there's enough positive will or desire from those who have the
skills to perform the tasks required for another transition. There's too
much exhaustion and bad blood. And frankly in that situation, starting
over is the healthy thing to do.
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You might be encouraged to know that the Trustees have not been sitting on their hands, and have been actively checking out the market. Apologies for not providing a running commentary.
It will probably be no surprise to anyone to hear that staying this central, and in one piece, is very unlikely, but one of our number is meeting with council officials today to look at a potential opportunity to do just that. We’ll let you know asap what becomes of that.
In the meantime, please continue this discussion, and if anyone wants to volunteer to help in any capacity feel free to step up.
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Personally for me someplace in East London with proximity to public transport would suffice, I would be willing to compromise on location in order to keep the space open and available. I wonder if I'm the odd one out though.
Am glad this thread is happening, and happy to help in any way I can.
A half mile radius from Cambridge Heath is a very small and expensive area. Does that mean that most members (regular users) live within that distance of the space? I certainly don't!
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The Google heat map in the other thread does show a small area but perhaps too small. I'm biased as I have to travel to the space anyway, but surely with a wider search area chances of getting somewhere suitable are much higher. As long as it's near public transport people would still have a good chance of getting access.
A hackspace in leytonstone (for example) is still better than no hackspace IMO.
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I think you overlooked my final point which was further separating out LHS into sub-groups.You are correct a large enough space won't be found, and frankly the membership needs to wake up to the fact that £5 a month isn't a sustainable minimum membership anymore.What I am keenly aware of however is there are a lot of Hackspace/Makerspace type organisations across London that offer the basic "light-weight" stuff that but very few that offer that heavier weight workshop, and none that I am aware of that are accessible in the way LHS offers, SMEE and Building Bloqs are two alternative examples but they both have very different models.What I am saying is sure there should probably be a new London Hackspace organisation formed with an increased membership that gets back the the roots, but perhaps there should also be another organisation formed that focuses on the other stuff, the big workshop tools.
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If that splits from the keyboardist hackspace though, there doesn't seem much to differentiate that bit from the coffee shops and makespaces. So could a de-machined space survive the competition ?
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I would strongly recommend someone local meets your local business and/or culture councillor during one of their surgeries and talk about what you want to do and what space you have in mind.
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Matthew,As you mentioned Leytonstone, I believe that the old Reuse-IT unit in The Sidings, Leyton is still vacant. I have no details but I know it's owned by the Council (LBWF). Although smaller than the current space, there is an open yard outside for parking. Who should make enquiries about this?
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 2:41:18 PM UTC+1, Matthew Haynes wrote:Thanks, I remember the thread about an alternative east London space but given the difficulty in moving the existing organisation starting an entire new one seems like wishful thinking :)The Google heat map in the other thread does show a small area but perhaps too small. I'm biased as I have to travel to the space anyway, but surely with a wider search area chances of getting somewhere suitable are much higher. As long as it's near public transport people would still have a good chance of getting access.
A hackspace in leytonstone (for example) is still better than no hackspace IMO.
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Well thats incredibly rude and unhelpful, I am here trying to help and what exactly are you doing for this community right now?
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There's much moaning about it - and it does cause problems - but one of the things that makes LHS useful IMHO is the scrap. Go to one of the other spaces and you might have the opportunity to buy some laser materials. Go to LHS and you'll very likely find a good proportion of what you need to build your project.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Tom Lynch <m...@unknowndomain.co.uk> wrote:
You are right they are the minimum requirements but what you guys offer is what makes your space attractive over the dozen other spaces near yours including Machines Room.
> On 18 Jul 2017, at 00:53, Peter Sci Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:
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> A 3D printer and a laser cutter are basic hackspace fodder now. A decent lathe and mill aren't quite, as they require more actual hands-on knowledge to use, even with all the "just CNC mod it" appeal.
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> The old rule of thumb we came up with was to have one small cheap machine for general light use (learning on) that was essentially disposable and a more professional machine for those who'd proven they could be trusted not to wreck it.
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> It's still nice in theory, though the lack of available training for bigger machines has let it down.
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> Remember that some of the people who want to mill their own engine block have never so much as assembled a Lego set before. A willing spirit needs to actually get the skills first.
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>> On 17/07/2017 17:12, Lex Robinson wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, 16:52 Adrian Godwin, <artg...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:artg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> If that splits from the keyboardist hackspace though, there doesn't
>> seem much to differentiate that bit from the coffee shops and
>> makespaces. So could a de-machined space survive the competition ?
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>>
>> With an exclusive stranglehold on club mate distribution perhaps?
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>> There's a large range of tools between lathes and laptops, a Hackspace
>> with a small laser cutter, 3d printers, basic wood/metal working
>> equipment and a soldering iron could do well.
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I'm biased (as I live there) but I'd be 100% ok with a space in docklands. if the right place was found you could have access to at least jubilee and dlr
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You're sure you don't mean the 'dropout hang-in' culture Simon? ;)
Seriously though, this is an
option but how small could we go? For example, if we halved the size for a
similar rent, would we be able to sustain the membership required to
support it?
There's also of course the nuclear option of starting membership afresh,
with new rates, rules and criteria, which has been suggested as a
possibility from various sources.
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You're sure you don't mean the 'dropout hang-in' culture Simon? ;)
Seriously though, this is an option but how small could we go? For example, if we halved the size for a similar rent, would we be able to sustain the membership required to support it?
There's also of course the nuclear option of starting membership afresh, with new rates, rules and criteria, which has been suggested as a possibility from various sources.
On 26 July 2017 10:11:27 a.m. "'Simon Howes' via London Hackspace" <london-hack-space@googlegroups.com> wrote:
a few thoughts on this:I think we could get by with a smaller cosier hackspace and still get a reasonable amount of good gear in there.I think we really should try to be as near as possible to a station - it created the drop-in hangout culture of cremer street which seemed to vanish overnight when suddenly hs was a 20 minute walk from the nearest station.I think we should really think about storage. I think we should abandon the current membership box for all for a more project based and short-lived automatic system where you get a box like you do a storage request for a couple of weeks at a time only. We just cant afford to have racks of inert and unused boxes anymore.I think I suggested this last time but it was poo-pood: have a limited, dedicated storage area inside of yellow lines. When its full its full. No items to be stored anywhere else in the hs (in exception of specific subgroups like playwood if you say wanted to store your plank in the wood rack there). This stops the conflict we have of paintcans being stored on top of machinery, or bits of crap tucked in every corner. And it makes it immediately easy to take stock of what is being stored and what is overdue. And it keeps the space tidy.I'd like to see hs survive, maybe I'm silly to think it is just the old haunting building we moved to. But maybe something about having it more central and with a cafe styled layout with a social geometric center might make geeks meet and interract more?--On 26 Jul 2017 9:33 a.m., "Michael Wheeler" <mick....@gmail.com> wrote:I'm biased (as I live there) but I'd be 100% ok with a space in docklands. if the right place was found you could have access to at least jubilee and dlr--
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Stratford would be ideal for me, but I imagine it's much harder to find suitable sites than Docklands given all of the industrial units are being knocked down to build flats. It probably also risks the same problem we have currently. However, it does indeed appear to be much cheaper.
http://www.strettons.co.uk/property-search/commercial/property/10278/marshgate-business-centre-1012-marshgate-lane-stratford-london-e15-2nh
I don't know if it's the start or end of March next year we have until
the lease ends, so 33-37 weeks remain?
I haven't heard any mention of possible new venues. I have however heard
people holding off on contributing to hackspace works in expectation
that it would be wasted effort or how to dispose of large projects &
equipment on site.
It feels that there is a general expectation that the LHS is going to be
coming to an end at the end of this lease. That there is insufficient
community will to continue it in any form.
So are we still looking for new venues or should members start making
preparations to re-accommodate their loaned tools/equipment/storage and
redistribute the community owned tools to other suitable organisations?
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It's not far off.
Rent hasn't changed, business rates have gone up by ~£500
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I'll check it out, as there are
several units going...
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I pay £5 a month as what is in effect a "solidarity" subscription (I've been in LHS half a dozen times since the move to Hackney Road), because I support the project. I couldn't afford to do that if it was £15....
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Plenty of organisations have supporters contributing without direct benefits or membership. If you include the lower tiers of Patreon accounts, it's very common indeed now.
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I pay £5 a month as what is in effect a "solidarity" subscription (I've
been in LHS half a dozen times since the move to Hackney Road), because
I support the project. I couldn't afford to do that if it was £15....
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If you’ll bear with me for a moment though…
In Trustee mode:
The vast majority of our income is from members paying small amounts and not visiting.
I thank them very dearly, not only for the financial support enabling us to provide a huge and uncrowded space, but also because it enables us to operate without administrative overhead such as officially tiered membership, means testing, weeding out the pisstakers etc etc., which would test the limits of even the most passionate and dedicated volunteer.
By all means start another thread about it but do note that it’s not the first time this has come up, and the conclusion has always been that what we have may not be perfect but works, and that the perceived problem is not worth the massive upheaval that dealing with it could cause.
I’d agree with Mark regarding what actual issue we are facing, engagement etc., and the Trustees are currently debating the available.
If members have anything to add to that discussion they are most welcome. But in another thread.
Paddy
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If you want to start a discussion about membership fees, then I suggest you start another thread. This thread is about finding a new space and carrying on LHS past the lease expiry. This is very important, so please don't go so far off topic
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I support the project. I couldn't afford to do that if it was £15....
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