CLL: Art help: make us a cover please!

[Robin Lee Powell]

https://www1.lightningsource.com/digital_cover_creation.aspx

I don't understand all the cover options, nor do I know which we
should pick, nor can I do anything remotely artistic to save my
life. Please help?

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[Matt Arnold]

Oh, OK. Cool. Hmm... let me give this some thought. What's the timetable?

-Matt

[Robin Lee Powell]

Days or weeks, but not months. We're close to running out of CLLs
and I'm close to having a publishable version to send to Lightning
Source.

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[Gleki Arxokuna]

may be not related to the cover but the first page after the title usually shows the date of publication, revisions, ISBN etc.

[Gleki Arxokuna]

and as for pictures what happened to them? is this all we have? looks like someone scanned them with low dpi.

Do we have the original source of them? if not someone needs to redraw them.

[Robin Lee Powell]

Have you *looked* at the pictures in the red book? They were always
this bad.

[Robin Lee Powell]

So to clarify: we're currently discussing case laminate vs. cloth
bound vs. cloth bound + dust jacket.

Your input to this process is obivously relevant. :D If no-one
comes up with something shiny and pretty, we'll just go with
straight cloth bound (which will still need a cover but a much less
fancy one, I imagine, maybe just the spine?).

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:09:22PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:

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[Matt Arnold]

I assume the images in the online version are identical to the ones in the book, right? I'll update them. This will stall for time and give me food for thought, until some inspiration for the cover design arrives. 

I still kind of like the idea of Earth's water and continents mapped onto an icosahedron. That will probably intrigue the sort of person who is likely to enjoy Lojban. 

For a cloth-bound book, I assume you will need an image that will be reproduced in only one color, just like on the big red book. (Gold printing on red cloth.) Correct? I can present some options suitable for multiple printing methods, and we can base our decision on that.

By the way, just out of curiosity, will this edition mention xorlo or the dot side? 

-Eppcott 

 

[Robin Lee Powell]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:43:19PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> I assume the images in the online version are identical to the
> ones in the book, right? I'll update them. This will stall for
> time and give me food for thought, until some inspiration for the
> cover design arrives.
>
> I still kind of like the idea of Earth's water and continents
> mapped onto an icosahedron. That will probably intrigue the sort
> of person who is likely to enjoy Lojban.

Oh, I like that.

> For a cloth-bound book, I assume you will need an image that will
> be reproduced in only one color, just like on the big red book.
> (Gold printing on red cloth.) Correct?

I'm actually not sure if LS can put anything on the *cover* of a
cloth bound book, or just the spine, or what that looks like.
mukti?

> I can present some options suitable for multiple printing methods,
> and we can base our decision on that.

Cool.

> By the way, just out of curiosity, will this edition mention xorlo
> or the dot side?

So my plan is to get a content-complete duplicate of the current
edition before making any changes, but ideally that edition would
never actually reach customers; it would be test prints only for
people who want to review it. The next edition to actually be
available I would like to have those sections in it, but I'm not
offering to write them.

[Jonathan Jones]

I think something involving Bridi Man would be pretty cool.

[Matt Arnold]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B067XOwv6HW7QVZzWXFESG5mbTA/edit?usp=sharing

[Robin Lee Powell]

0__o

*Wow*.

[selpa'i]

la'o me. Matt Arnold .me cusku
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B067XOwv6HW7QVZzWXFESG5mbTA/edit?usp=sharing

Ah, that's the picture for chapter 2. Nice! At first I thought it was
the cover image :)

Just a minor thing: I would abbreviate the cardinal directions as B D N
V (after their FAhA tags) to avoid the three S.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

[Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG]

On 9/22/2014 1:41 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>
> https://www1.lightningsource.com/digital_cover_creation.aspx
>
> I don't understand all the cover options, nor do I know which we
> should pick, nor can I do anything remotely artistic to save my
> life. Please help?

I should still have the old cover master, if we want to reuse it.

[Matt Arnold]

Chapter 1 illustration:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B067XOwv6HW7WERONC16QUtKQUk/view?usp=sharing

New, updated Chapter 2 illustration:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B067XOwv6HW7QVZzWXFESG5mbTA/view?usp=sharing

[Robin Lee Powell]

Since people seem to want cloth bound no dust jacket, if you could
send that along it should be useful, yes.

[Robin Lee Powell]

Done; see
http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_coverage/cll_prince.pdf

Would someone like to suggest appropriate CSS for the new
information please?

[Robin Lee Powell]

Looks good to me!

[mukti]

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:45:50 PM UTC-3, Robin Powell wrote:

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:43:19PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> For a cloth-bound book, I assume you will need an image that will
> be reproduced in only one color, just like on the big red book.
> (Gold printing on red cloth.) Correct?
I'm actually not sure if LS can put anything on the *cover* of a
cloth bound book, or just the spine, or what that looks like.
mukti?

Google turned up this document which includes a specification of the cover options for hardbound books:

 (1) printed four-color laminated cover (gloss or matte laminate), or (2) 100% cotton fabric with (acrylic-filled coating cover) a gold foil stamped spine (optional). The stamping is completed in 18pt. Cheltenham Bold font (for books with 80 pages or more). Cloth covered books are available in Indigo Blue Linen or Dove Gray. Foil stamping on the front of the book is not available.  

Additional detail is provided about foil stamping on the spine:

If text copy on spine is desired on cloth-style casebound titles (either with or without a jacket), up to 42 characters (including spaces) may be used to stamp the title, author, and/or other text the publisher designates onto the spine. The book must have a minimum of 80 pages. Characters available include the 26 upper letters, numerals 0-9, space, period, comma, hyphen, quote, apostrophe, colon, semi-colon hash/pound sign, question mark, exclamation mark, dollar sign, ampersand, quotation marks, asterisk and the two parentheses. Text is positioned on the spine of the book as the publisher designates during the title setup process.

mi'e la mukti mu'o

[Matt Arnold]

coi rodo Hey everybody. I just want to assure you I have not forgotten about this. I'm continuing to make illustrations. You'll see more soon. 

- .epkat.

[Robin Lee Powell]

*poke*

I'm printing a test copy today; it's not ready yet, I just want to
make sure that the letters look OK and so on.

On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 03:48:50PM -0700, Matt Arnold wrote:
> coi rodo Hey everybody. I just want to assure you I have not forgotten
> about this. I'm continuing to make illustrations. You'll see more soon.
>
> - .epkat.
>
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:09:31 AM UTC-4, mukti wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:45:50 PM UTC-3, Robin Powell wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:43:19PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> >> > For a cloth-bound book, I assume you will need an image that will
> >> > be reproduced in only one color, just like on the big red book.
> >> > (Gold printing on red cloth.) Correct?
> >> I'm actually not sure if LS can put anything on the *cover* of a
> >> cloth bound book, or just the spine, or what that looks like.
> >> mukti?
> >>
> >
> > Google turned up this document

> > <https://www1.lightningsource.com/ops/files/pod/uspodopsmanual.pdf> which

> > includes a specification of the cover options for hardbound books:
> >

> > * (1) printed four-color laminated cover (gloss or matte laminate), or
> > (2) **100% cotton fabric with (acrylic-filled coating cover) a gold foil
> > stamped spine (optional). The stamping is **completed in 18pt. Cheltenham
> > Bold font (for books with 80 pages or more). Cloth covered books are **available

> > in Indigo Blue Linen or Dove Gray. Foil stamping on the front of the book

> > is not available. *

> >
> >
> > Additional detail is provided about foil stamping on the spine:
> >

> > *If text copy on spine is desired on cloth-style casebound titles (either

> > with or without a jacket), up to 42 characters (including spaces) may be
> > used to stamp the title, author, and/or other text the publisher designates
> > onto the spine. The book must have a minimum of 80 pages. Characters
> > available include the 26 upper letters, numerals 0-9, space, period, comma,
> > hyphen, quote, apostrophe, colon, semi-colon hash/pound sign, question
> > mark, exclamation mark, dollar sign, ampersand, quotation marks, asterisk
> > and the two parentheses. Text is positioned on the spine of the book as the

> > publisher designates during the title setup process.*

> >
> >
> > mi'e la mukti mu'o
> >
>

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[Matt Arnold]

I'm a little bit embarrassed that I switched my focus to replacing all the interior illustrations. I'll go back to working on the front cover as the first priority.

[Robin Lee Powell]

No no, please work on the interior!

The reason is that the community consensus seems to be a preference
for hardbound with no dust jacket (i.e. like the current red book),
and with lightning source the *only* thing we can do with such a
book is print words on the spine.

[Robin Lee Powell]

We're getting closer to a release! How are the internal pictures
going?