selbri separation grammar

[djandus]

coi rodo

I need some help clearing up how I view Lojban grammar. What words can replace VALSI in the following to let them be bridi?

{lo broda VALSI brode}

{lo nu broda VALSI brode}

Up until recently, I did not realize that NA are acceptable for both, and PU are only acceptable in the first. (Tested via jboski.)

Part of my issue is I have no way to figure this out right now other than randomly trying things in a parser, as I don't know where in the CLL or online to look.

mu'o mi'e djos

[Jorge Llambías]

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM, djandus <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> coi rodo
>
> I need some help clearing up how I view Lojban grammar. What words can
> replace VALSI in the following to let them be bridi?
> {lo broda VALSI brode}
> {lo nu broda VALSI brode}

With the current grammar, CU, KU, or NA.

> Up until recently, I did not realize that NA are acceptable for both, and PU
> are only acceptable in the first. (Tested via jboski.)

Yes, that's becasue PU (or any other tag) will be taken as a tag [ku]
term of the broda bridi, and then "nu broda pu [ku] [vau] [kei]" will
form a tanru with "brode". This is something that has been proposed to
be changed, so that selbri tcita have priority over sumti tcita. Then
any tag could be used there and be understood as a selbri tcita, as
usually intended.

> Part of my issue is I have no way to figure this out right now other than
> randomly trying things in a parser, as I don't know where in the CLL or
> online to look.

You have to look into the formal grammars to figure it out.

mu'o mi'e xorxes