Translation assistance for my fictional universe

[Terry Sofian]

I continue to work on the Hive, Queen and Country Universe. In this fictional universe aliens have taught humans lojban. lojban is used on Venus. I have absolutely no facility with language and can use as much assistance as anyone would be willing provide. I have a list of terms below that I would like translated. I also have a few naming conventions as well. Finally I have a "hymn" of one of the cultures. I will give full credit for translation to anyone that assists me. Please feel free to respond off list. Thanks!

 

Terry Sofian

TSo...@aol.com

 

 

How would the following be rendered in lojban?

 

Beyond the Clouds

 

Hosts

Priest

Warrior

Weapon Maker

Seafarer

Ship Builder

Craftsman

Farmer

Servant

Slave

Unholy

 

Family Names are based on a characteristic tool or practice of the caste. Birth Names is based on sex and birth order.

An English translation of the lojban would be Warrior: Bright Spears: Second Son: Slays Merchant. He would be called Slays Merchant in normal conversation between equals or by someone above him in caste.

In the most formal setting the triumphs of this person would include "Taker of the Great Northern Convoy, Robber of Many Merchants, First upon the Enemy's Deck and such like.

Cities are each dedicated to a Sea King deity. Think of this as calling a city after a Christian Saint, such as St Louis, or St Malo.

God of Destruction-Capital City

Goddess Mother of Warriors

Other Cities

Battle Lust

Lucky Ships

Death in Combat

Long Voyages

Stampeders of Foes

 

 

The Cities of the River Empire are named for the family that first settled it. Family names are based on occupations, such as Weaver, Farmer, Bannerman, Cook, Shepard, Slothherd, Birdwarden. The term for town, fortress or city is added as a prefix

Fortress Slothherd

City Riverman

Town Merchanter

 

 

Hymn of the Sea Kings

Oh God of Destruction

Grant that we be your holy tools

Give to us the strength to slay men and beasts

Fill our hearts with wrath

And our hands with weapons

Let every action we take hasten the final battle

When you shall make the sky fall

And the sea boil

And all the demons shall be forced to face our righteous hosts

And be slain upon our weapons

That day cannot come too soon

Let us help you hasten its coming

Let it come in my day

Let my weapons drink the blood of a demon

Spend my blood and my life in their defeat

Let it come tomorrow!

Let it come tomorrow!

Let it come tomorrow!

[John E. Clifford]

I presume you mean a humm of one of the cultures.

Sent from my iPad

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[Remo Dentato]

Let me try to offer a suggestion with what seems to be the easy part.

Beyond the Clouds fe'eba'o lo dilnu (cannot be used as a name!)
la fe'eba'o dilnu (could be the proper name of a place)


Hosts selvi'e (in the sense of hosting guests)
Priest jdaca'i
Warrior balsoi (in the sense of "Great fighter")
sonci (in the mere sense of solider/fighter)
Weapon Maker xa'izba
Seafarer xasli'u
Ship Builder blozba
Craftsman balzba (in the sense of "Great Maker")
Farmer cagypre
Servant selfu
Slave selbapse'u
Unholy nalcensa

While others will offer suggestions for those, I'll try to think about
your family names which sounds rather tricky to translate.

remod

P.S. with "Slays Merchant", you mean that the person is a killer of merchants?

[la .lindar.]

Lojban is really geared for mononyms.

You'd have to translate it using a bunch of noi/poi clauses.

mi'e la .lindar. poi se laznu la .grinuud. gi'e pamoi gi'e zgifi'i gi'e nelci le smela ku'o ku mu'o

[Pierre Abbat]

"la .lindar.grinuud." is valid, as are "la .kot.divuar."
and "la .misisipis.rirx.".

mu'omi'e .pier.blojben.abat.

--
La sal en el mar es más que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

[ianek]

On 3 Cze, 21:29, Remo Dentato <rdent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me try to offer a suggestion with what seems to be the easy part.
>
> Beyond the Clouds  fe'eba'o lo dilnu  (cannot be used as a name!)
>                      la fe'eba'o dilnu  (could be the proper name of a place)

What about {la bancu be lo dilnu}?

mu'o mi'e ianek

> Hosts           selvi'e (in the sense of hosting guests)
> Priest           jdaca'i
> Warrior         balsoi (in the sense of "Great fighter")
>                     sonci (in the mere sense of solider/fighter)
> Weapon Maker    xa'izba
> Seafarer        xasli'u
> Ship Builder    blozba
> Craftsman       balzba (in the sense of "Great Maker")
> Farmer          cagypre
> Servant         selfu
> Slave           selbapse'u
> Unholy          nalcensa
>
> While others will offer suggestions for those, I'll try to think about
> your family names which sounds rather tricky to translate.
>
> remod
>
> P.S. with "Slays Merchant", you mean that the person is a killer of merchants?
>

> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > I presume you mean a humm of one of the cultures.
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> > Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Terry Sofian <tsof...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I continue to work on the Hive, Queen and Country Universe. In this
> > fictional universe aliens have taught humans lojban. lojban is used on
> > Venus. I have absolutely no facility with language and can use as much
> > assistance as anyone would be willing provide. I have a list of terms below
> > that I would like translated. I also have a few naming conventions as well.
> > Finally I have a "hymn" of one of the cultures. I will give full credit for
> > translation to anyone that assists me. Please feel free to respond off list.
> > Thanks!
>
> > Terry Sofian

> > TSof...@aol.com

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis]

On 3 June 2012 16:29, Remo Dentato <rden...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me try to offer a suggestion with what seems to be the easy part.
>

> Farmer          cagypre

Why not {tercange}?

[ianek]

On 3 Cze, 21:29, Remo Dentato <rdent...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Let me try to offer a suggestion with what seems to be the easy part.
>
> Beyond the Clouds  fe'eba'o lo dilnu  (cannot be used as a name!)
>                      la fe'eba'o dilnu  (could be the proper name of a place)
>
> Hosts           selvi'e (in the sense of hosting guests)
> Priest           jdaca'i
> Warrior         balsoi (in the sense of "Great fighter")
>                     sonci (in the mere sense of solider/fighter)
> Weapon Maker    xa'izba
> Seafarer        xasli'u
> Ship Builder    blozba
> Craftsman       balzba (in the sense of "Great Maker")
> Farmer          cagypre
> Servant         selfu
> Slave           selbapse'u
> Unholy          nalcensa

I'm not sure in this context, but I think it should be {tolcensa}. I
think it's not "other than sacred", but "opposite to sacred".

mu'o mi'e ianek

>

> While others will offer suggestions for those, I'll try to think about
> your family names which sounds rather tricky to translate.
>
> remod
>
> P.S. with "Slays Merchant", you mean that the person is a killer of merchants?
>

> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I presume you mean a humm of one of the cultures.
>
> > Sent from my iPad
>

> > On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Terry Sofian <tsof...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I continue to work on the Hive, Queen and Country Universe. In this
> > fictional universe aliens have taught humans lojban. lojban is used on
> > Venus. I have absolutely no facility with language and can use as much
> > assistance as anyone would be willing provide. I have a list of terms below
> > that I would like translated. I also have a few naming conventions as well.
> > Finally I have a "hymn" of one of the cultures. I will give full credit for
> > translation to anyone that assists me. Please feel free to respond off list.
> > Thanks!
>
> > Terry Sofian

> > TSof...@aol.com