Keyboard keys

[la .lindar.]

So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made within the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use the phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets the point across in a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbotten, please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names contains some of the keys, but not all of them. So, the ones I specifically need and on which I would like a quick consensus are:

space bar

escape

up

down

left

right

left shift

right shift

left control

right control

left alt

right alt

tab

enter

backspace

insert

delete

page up

page down

home

end

/ (keypad)

* (keypad)

- (keypad)

+ (keypad)

. (keypad)

enter (keypad)

num lock

capslock

scroll lock

pause

1 (keypad)

2 (keypad)

3 (keypad)

4 (keypad)

5 (keypad)

6 (keypad)

7 (keypad)

8 (keypad)

9 (keypad)

0 (keypad)

"gamepad"

joystick right

joystick left

Help is muchly appreciated and I will try to compensate you in some manner for your assistance.

As a random side-bit, I found this in my search and thought it was interesting. Anybody try it? I'm going to once I force myself to take a break from translating.

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Evolved+Lojban+Keyboard 

[la .lindar.]

Already settled on {tersei bu} for "space" because I really like that word. {tersei}... awesome word...

Again, if verbotten will do else I use.

Ta!

[la gleki]

On Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:36:09 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:

So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made within the next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use the phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets the point across in a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbotten, please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names contains some of the keys, but not all of them. So, the ones I specifically need and on which I would like a quick consensus are:

space bar

canlubu

 

escape

cliva bu

 

up

down

left

right

left, right, up, down buttons - zunle, pritu....bu ?

 

left shift

right shift

tarmi bu???

 

left control

right control

sazri bu...

 

left alt

right alt

Alt + left = stika bu joi/jo'u zunlebu ?

 

tab

enter

cfari bu

 

backspace

trixyvimcu bu

 

insert

definitely {setca bu}, although will probably be a conflict with "paste" function which is also {setca} in computer sense.

 

delete

vimcu bu

 

page up

This is not "page up" but rather "large space up". However, as we haven't decided on how to say "page" in general (no matter if it's made of paper or displayed on your screen, I'd rather stick with {te tcidu} and {se tcidu} depending on situation) let it be {galtu zei ckupau bu}

 

page down

{dizlo zei ckupau bu}

 

home

krasi bu. {zdani bu} is kinda metaphor.

end

{fanmo bu} if {fanmo} = {to'e krasi}

/ (keypad)

* (keypad)

- (keypad)

+ (keypad)

. (keypad)

enter (keypad)

not a clue.

 

num lock

Numlock - number switch, na'uvra bu?

 

capslock

Should use the same gismu as for "shift". tarmi vraga???

scroll lock

lacpu bu

 

pause

.ii {denpa bu} has already another meaning!

sisti bu?

1 (keypad)

2 (keypad)

3 (keypad)

4 (keypad)

5 (keypad)

6 (keypad)

7 (keypad)

8 (keypad)

9 (keypad)

0 (keypad)

again not a clue. Something like {nonckiku bu} etc....?

 

"gamepad"

joystick right

joystick left

Sorry. No ideas.

[la gleki]

I intentionally didnt open  http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names  before translating.

Now I see some better solutions there.

Evolved Lojban Keyboard is awesome. Better than Dvorak. How can I use it?

[Sebastian Fröjd]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but anything postfixed with .bu refer to the character, not to the actual button on the keyboard, right?
So for example denpa bu refer to the character "," not the button. The button for "," is "denpa bu batke", right?
And "ni'obu" would be some kind of character (like that one in wordprocessors) symbolizing the action performed by pressing the "Return"-button?

Otherwise I think it's a good idea to translate all kind of characters and keyboard-buttons into lojban. Preferably a systematic translation of all Unicode-characters.

space bar

I prefer tersai button, rather than canlubu (a typographic space isn't a threedimensional space)

mu'omi'e jongausib

2012/9/15 la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>

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[Sebastian Fröjd]

left shift

right shift

zunle tau bu
pritu tau bu

capslock

ga'e bu



mu'omi'e jongausib

2012/9/15 Sebastian Fröjd <so.co...@gmail.com>

[Pierre Abbat]

On Saturday, September 15, 2012 01:36:09 la .lindar. wrote:
> So, I very quickly (as in an arbitrary decision needs to be made within the
> next 36 hours) need names for all of the keys. I've elected to use the
> phrasing {la'e .a bu batke fi lo nu co'e} because it's short and gets the
> point across in a character-limited space. If this is absolutely verbotten,
> please let me know, but otherwise don't nitpick. I see
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Keyboard+key+names contains some of the keys,
> but not all of them. So, the ones I specifically need and on which I would
> like a quick consensus are:
>
> space bar

lo me'o kunti bu clabatke. I'm going to omit "batke" usually.

> escape
> up

ga'u bu

> down

ni'a bu

> left

zu'a bu

> right

ri'u bu

> left shift

lo zunle ke me me'o tau bu batke
This doesn't quite make sense, as shift is not a character, but "me'o tau"
without a following BY or BU is ungrammatical.

> right shift
> left control
> right control
> left alt
> right alt
> tab
> enter

I'd use "carcyxru bu" for carriage return and "linji bu" for line feed, or
something like that. The enter key produces a carriage return, but it's
translated to a line feed by termcap (or something). Take your pick on which
to call the enter key.

> backspace
> insert

lo setca batke

> delete

lo vimcu batke

> page up
> page down
> home
> end
> / (keypad)
> * (keypad)
> - (keypad)
> + (keypad)
> . (keypad)
> enter (keypad)
> num lock
> capslock
> scroll lock
> pause
> 1 (keypad)

me'o pa pe lo nacybatkygri

> 2 (keypad)
> 3 (keypad)
> 4 (keypad)
> 5 (keypad)
> 6 (keypad)
> 7 (keypad)
> 8 (keypad)
> 9 (keypad)
> 0 (keypad)
> "gamepad"
> joystick right
> joystick left

I suggest "teibu" for the compose key, subject to the same concern as "taubu".

Pierre
--
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[Sebastian Fröjd]

>
> space bar

lo me'o kunti bu clabatke. I'm going to omit "batke" usually.

ok I like kunti more than tersai and canlu for the space character.
What about variable-width/constant-width (hairspace, thin space) , breakable/non-breakable space?

> escape
> up

ga'u bu

> down

ni'a bu

> left

zu'a bu

> right

ri'u bu

I interpret "ri'u bu" as a character like a right arrow. But the "right-key" doesn't leave any trail in the wordprocessor in the form of an arrow or some other character, you just move your cursor with the button, right?
 


mu'omi'e jongausib

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[la gleki]

My last request before Lindar takes some action. Please choose names as {broda bu} whenever possible or "SE-prefixed gismu + bu"

Don't use lujvo. The names of buttons are metaphors anyway.
bridi bu for ";" and kuntibu for "space" are fine.