ti

[MorphemeAddict]

I found this at wavelessonscontinued (thanks to a previous link):

ti “this” – a close thing or event nearby which can be pointed to by the speaker. 

Can "ti" be used for events? My dictionaries (from jbovlaste et al.) say it's only pointable things and places. I assume "ta" and "tu" will have the same restrictions as "ti". 

stevo

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis]

Events are understood to occupy space-time (space boundaries being usually
more blurry than time ones), so it is fair enough to call them pointable things.

In fact, you may be surprised at how similar events can be to objects
like bananas.

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[tijlan]

What is the pointability of, say, "2012 U.S. presidential election"?
Can a Californian refer to it by "ti"? Would that make as much sense
as a Mexican's "ta" or a Kazakh's "tu"?

mu'o

[Robert Slaughter]

I've always taken 'ti' to mean in its event-form things like "the voting
here today". And for me 'ta' and 'tu' are always spacial displacement,
never temporal.

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[Pierre Abbat]

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 17:33:41 Robert Slaughter wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 22:10 +0100, tijlan wrote:
> > What is the pointability of, say, "2012 U.S. presidential election"?
> > Can a Californian refer to it by "ti"? Would that make as much sense
> > as a Mexican's "ta" or a Kazakh's "tu"?
> >
> > mu'o
>
> I've always taken 'ti' to mean in its event-form things like "the voting
> here today". And for me 'ta' and 'tu' are always spacial displacement,
> never temporal.

I think "ta" and "tu" can indicate temporal displacement. We have "vi, va, vu"
for spatial displacement and "zi, za, zu" for temporal displacement as tense
markers, but there's no temporal counterpart to "ti, ta, tu".

As to elections, I'd refer to one this year in the US as "ti", one in Mexico
and one a few years away (in either direction) in the US both as "ta", and one
in Kazakhstan and one a century ago both as "tu". If, though, I were speaking
to a Kazakh about a current election in Kazakhstan, I'd call it "ta".

Pierre
--
I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.

[Lindar]

Pointable. I can accept {ta zgike} for some distant thing or {ti nu gletu} if you happen to be doing / viewing such a thing at the moment. Outside of the present you can't point at it or immediately demonstrate it, so past or future events are not demonstratable by such words. I can easily see an exchange of two people in an apartment being interrupted by loud noises coming from a roommate's bedroom going like this:

sei unf unf oooooohhh yeah baby
ko'a: .yyyy ta mo
ko'e: .i ta nu le zdakansa ku gletu kei .oi

For past events {lo pu zgike} or {lo purci ku nu gletu} would be more appropriate.