How to say 'spork'?

[iesk]

Hi,

I like sporks. As I habitually eat my food with a spork (portmanteau
of 'spoon' and 'fork'), I seriously zo'o need a word for 'spork'.

I tentatively propose:

??mucyjoifro: x1 is a spork/combined spoon and fork for use x2

The obvious disadvantage: That word is terribly long. I like sporks
and talk about them very much, and I'd prefer having a short word,
rather like 'spork' or German 'Göffel' ['gœfl̩]. So I further propose,
most tentatively:

??ucfo: x1 is a spork/combined spoon and fork for use x2 (etym.: from
'[sm]uc[i joi] fo[rca])

What do you think? Also on whether the additional places of 'smuci'
and 'forca' should better be kept in a word for spork?

-iesk

PS: Did I say I like sporks?

[ianek]

{mucfro} or {frosmuci}. The former is shorter, but has an unpleasant
consonant cluster. You don't normally need things like joi, jev or bor
inside lujvos, because you can always define them as you like.

mu'o mi'e ianek

[rden...@gmail.com]

Il giorno , iesk <pa....@gmx.de> ha scritto:

> I like sporks. As I habitually eat my food with a spork (portmanteau
> of 'spoon' and 'fork'), I seriously zo'o need a word for 'spork'.

I'd go with {mucfro}, I understand your adding {joi} but I like short words too.

> ucfo: x1 is a spork/combined spoon and fork for use x2 (etym.: from
> '[sm]uc[i joi] fo[rca])

It sounds odd to have a fu'ivla for borrowing a word from Lojban itself! :)

What about borrowing it as a cmevla? {.spork.}

{mi citka sepi'o lomela .spork.}

remod

[iesk]

ianek:

>{mucfro} or {frosmuci}. The former is shorter, but has an unpleasant
>consonant cluster. You don't normally need things like joi, jev or bor
>inside lujvos, because you can always define them as you like.

You are right, I didn’t think of that. On the other hand, I feel a
kind of psychological resistance against a lujvo which *looks* like it
said 'spoon-type of fork' (or vice versa). The fun about sporks is
that they are *both* (or at least that is my pretension). Hm…

remod:

>It sounds odd to have a fu'ivla for borrowing a word from Lojban itself! :)

Yeah. But there seem to be precedents, or at least one:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/sorpeka How accepted that is, I don'ŧ
know. It took me a little getting used to, but I think it is a nice
idea, frankly. I recall someone arguing in favour of calling those (or
all fu'ivla?) 'zi'evla' rather than 'fu'ivla'.

>What about borrowing it as a cmevla? {.spork.}

Possible, but a bit clumsy, isn't it? Also, why 'spork' (and not
'gefl' or whatever)?

Cordially,
iesk

[iesk]

> >What about borrowing it as a cmevla? {.spork.}

Also, I … think a phonetic lojbanisation of the … way *I* … pronounce
… 'spork' would be … {spok}! ;)

[ianek]

Highly illogical! zo'o u'i

[ianek]

On 14 Mar, 20:54, iesk <pa....@gmx.de> wrote:
> ianek:
>
> >{mucfro} or {frosmuci}. The former is shorter, but has an unpleasant
> >consonant cluster. You don't normally need things like joi, jev or bor
> >inside lujvos, because you can always define them as you like.
>
> You are right, I didn’t think of that. On the other hand, I feel a
> kind of psychological resistance against a lujvo which *looks* like it
> said 'spoon-type of fork' (or vice versa). The fun about sporks is
> that they are *both* (or at least that is my pretension). Hm…

I once had that resistance too. But a lujvo has little to do with
tanru. For example, a rokci prenu has to be a person, but a rokpre may
legally be a statue and not a person, if you define it so. And it
sounds much better than "prero'i" which would be more accurate for
tanru (prenu rokci, because a statue is a prenu-type-of rokci).

> remod:
>
> >It sounds odd to have a fu'ivla for borrowing a word from Lojban itself! :)
>

> Yeah. But there seem to be precedents, or at least one:http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/sorpekaHow accepted that is, I don'ŧ

[Jonathan Jones]

A fu'ivla made of Lojban words is called a zi'evla.

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