zoi gy. Plato is a friend, but the truth is a greater friend. gy. se fanva fu ma

[gleki]

or to be more specific how would you solve the problem in this ad hoc sentence

"I love Plato but i love jetnu more".

[Jacob Errington]

{.i la plat se zmadu lo jetnu lo ni mi [whatever selbri is actually
appropriate: pendo, xendo, prami, something] ce'u}
or, with (slightly) less contrived syntax: {.i mi [that selbri] jai te
zmadu la plat lo jetnu}

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[ianek]

This doesn't say that I love Plato at all, because I can love truth
more than something which I don't love. And I would use {la platon}
since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin).
So I'd rather say {mi broda la platon i ku'i mi zmadu broda lo ka
jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du'u)]

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 13 Lip, 18:34, Jacob Errington <nicty...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jacob Errington]

On 13 July 2012 15:52, ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This doesn't say that I love Plato at all, because I can love truth
> more than something which I don't love. And I would use {la platon}
> since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin).

You're right. We need to assert {broda} for Plato. I also wasn't aware
of his Greek name. Certainly, it's more appropriate.

> So I'd rather say {mi broda la platon i ku'i mi zmadu broda lo ka
> jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du'u)]
>

That isn't a correct use of {ka} according to current usage, but was
more widely accepted in the past IIRC. Anyway, this is that same
problem that we encounter when trying to translate stuff like "love"
as a noun. What is love if not the event of someone loving someone
else? By that logic: what is the truth if not something being true?
Personally, I disapprove of the tanru {zmadu broda} but there's no
objective way to say that it's no good, not to mention that I don't
really feel like getting in to which reasons I have for disliking it.

Considering all that:
.i mi broda la. platon .e ku'i mau bo lo nu jetnu

mu'o mi'e la tsani

[Michael Turniansky]

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 13 July 2012 15:52, ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This doesn't say that I love Plato at all, because I can love truth
> more than something which I don't love. And I would use {la platon}
> since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin).

You're right. We need to assert {broda} for Plato. I also wasn't aware
of his Greek name. Certainly, it's more appropriate.

> So I'd rather say {mi broda la platon i ku'i mi zmadu broda lo ka
> jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du'u)]
>

That isn't a correct use of {ka} according to current usage, but was
more widely accepted in the past IIRC. Anyway, this is that same
problem that we encounter when trying to translate stuff like "love"
as a noun. What is love if not the event of someone loving someone
else? By that logic: what is the truth if not something being true?
Personally, I disapprove of the tanru {zmadu broda} but there's no
objective way to say that it's no good, not to mention that I don't
really feel like getting in to which reasons I have for disliking it.

Considering all that:
.i mi broda la. platon .e ku'i mau bo lo nu jetnu

 

  lo ni mi prami la platon ku no'u  li za'u no cu se zmadu lo ni mi prami loi ka jetnu

;-)

           --gejyspa

[.arpis.]

.i'e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku'i lo ni go'i ku se zmadu lo ni mi prami lo ka jetnu} li'u

.i .i'e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku'i se mau lo ni go'i ku mi prami lo ka jetnu} li'u

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[tengo]

.i la .platon. pendo mi gi'e ku'i se zmadu lo nu jetnu ku lo ka ce'u vajni ja pendo pe'a mi