In London in Britain - the shortest way to say that ?
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gleki
Mar 18, 2012, 4:02:53 AM3/18/12
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How should I say
"This place is in London that is in Britain".
I start translating as
{lo ti stuzi ne'i la .landyn.} ... and I stop here.
I can imagine
{lo ti stuzi ne'i lo me la .lyndyn. be ne'i la .britain.} of course. But it's too bulky.
ianek
Mar 18, 2012, 4:31:51 AM3/18/12
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First, {lo ti stuzi} is a place associated with the near thing I'm
pointing. I think {lo vi stuzi} would be better.
You can attach tags to {pe} or {ne} (dependent on whether you want to
clarify which London you're talking about): {la landyn ne ne'i la
britain} (another strange thing, do you really pronounce it
"britain"?)
But I don't think {ne'i} is the best here. For me it's good for things
that have well-defined inside and outside, like a box or a building.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I think that {bu'u} would be better.
mu'o mi'e ianek
pointing. I think {lo vi stuzi} would be better.
You can attach tags to {pe} or {ne} (dependent on whether you want to
clarify which London you're talking about): {la landyn ne ne'i la
britain} (another strange thing, do you really pronounce it
"britain"?)
But I don't think {ne'i} is the best here. For me it's good for things
that have well-defined inside and outside, like a box or a building.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I think that {bu'u} would be better.
mu'o mi'e ianek
Jonathan Jones
Mar 18, 2012, 5:49:09 AM3/18/12
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lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi.
I'd go with:
lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
I'd go with:
lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
gleki
Mar 18, 2012, 6:45:24 AM3/18/12
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On Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:49:09 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi.
I'd go with:
lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.
Did you mean {pe la.brityn.} ? Otherwise it won't parse.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:02 AM, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
How should I say"This place is in London that is in Britain".I start translating as{lo ti stuzi ne'i la .landyn.} ... and I stop here.I can imagine{lo ti stuzi ne'i lo me la .lyndyn. be ne'i la .britain.} of course. But it's too bulky.--
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Pierre Abbat
Mar 18, 2012, 6:58:14 AM3/18/12
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On Sunday, March 18, 2012 05:49:09 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi.
>
> I'd go with:
>
> lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.
> lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi.
>
> I'd go with:
>
> lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.
Not grammatical; "poi la brityn mo?". The correct translation depends on at
least two things:
1. Is this place something that the speaker is pointing to, or is he referring
to something he previously said? (ti/di'u)
2. Is "that is in Britain" distinguishing London, England, from another city
named London, or just saying where London is?
la'e di'u zvati la .london. noi selstu la .ritygug.
.i ti zvati la .london. poi selstu la .ritygug.
mu'omi'e .pier.
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Jonathan Jones
Mar 18, 2012, 9:06:15 AM3/18/12
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 05:49:09 Jonathan Jones wrote:Not grammatical; "poi la brityn mo?". The correct translation depends on at
> lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi.
>
> I'd go with:
>
> lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.
least two things:
1. Is this place something that the speaker is pointing to, or is he referring
to something he previously said? (ti/di'u)
2. Is "that is in Britain" distinguishing London, England, from another city
named London, or just saying where London is?
It could be either. I'm sure there are other cities named London, after all. I'm not exactly sure which way the OP means, so I can't really give a definitive answer. Also, thanks for reminding me that you can't poi a sumti.
la'e di'u zvati la .london. noi selstu la .ritygug.
.i ti zvati la .london. poi selstu la .ritygug.
mu'omi'e .pier.
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
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