Kanji 座 stroke order

[Przemysław Nagay]

Hello.

Does anyone know the correct stroke order for kanji 座 ? The last three
strokes (8, 9, 10), should be
horizontal, vertical, horizontal
or
vertical, horizontal, horizontal?

I don't know any reliable source, don't have any dictionaries. Some
online sources have the first stroke order and some the other.

On the wiki page it is listed as incorrect.

[Alexandre Courbot]

Hi,

2012/2/11 Przemysław Nagay <cob...@gmail.com>:

> Does anyone know the correct stroke order for kanji 座 ? The last three
> strokes (8, 9, 10), should be
> horizontal, vertical, horizontal
> or
> vertical, horizontal, horizontal?
>
> I don't know any reliable source, don't have any dictionaries. Some
> online sources have the first stroke order and some the other.

Interesting. Kakijun also shows vertical, horizontal, horizontal:
http://kakijun.main.jp/page/1060200.html

Not sure if there is a single definitive, autoritative source that
could settle this. As far as the project is concerned, Ulrich is the
kanji expert, maybe he can tell us his thoughts?

Alex.

[Przemysław Nagay]

It might be that both versions are possible.

There is a character 坐 (so, 座 without the radical 广). Radical for 坐 is
土, and 土 is written horizontal, vertical, horizontal. But I don't know
if I can deduce like that.

[Ulrich Apel]

According to

Emori Kenji (2003): Kai gyō sō—hitsujun jitai jiten. Sanseido Tokyo. (page 140),

two stroke orders are possible for 座, but the version "vertical, horizontal, horizontal" is the preferred one. This version is also marked with an asterisk, meaning this should be the stroke order taught at primary school.

The character seems to be no part of the ones in

Monbushō (1958) – Hitsujun shidō no tebiki

Emori (2003) gives for all three characters with the same element 坐, 座 and 挫 "vertical, horizontal, horizontal" as the preferred stroke order for the last three strokes and "horizontal, horizontal, vertical" as the alternative version. According to Emori, there seems to be no stroke order "horizontal, vertical, horizontal".

Ulrich

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[Alexandre Courbot]

Thanks Ulrich, I will change the stroke order of these characters
accordingly then.

Alex.

[Przemysław Nagay]

Thanks for checking it, Ulrich.

It seems that Chinese write those characters using "horizontal,
vertical, horizontal" order, but Japanese have changed the order of
those last three strokes. Probably the Japanese online dictionaries I
looked at used Chinese as a reference. I didn't know there could be
such differences.

[Alexandre Courbot]

Fixed in git for 坐, 挫, 座 and 蓙 and their variants. New public release
also done. This should close the issue, thanks for bringing this up!

Alex.

[Przemysław Nagay]

Thanks!