Can there be a way to have one article belong to multiple categories? As have add article to any nested category, it already belongs to multiple categories but under same root? But can we have one article under different roots?
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Hassan, take a look at flexicontent component (flexicontent.org) for
categories multi-mapping options. They made an alpha version for
Joomla 1.6 too..
On 29 Mar, 17:32, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are at multiple possible approaches to this issue. One would be to
> simply expand the featured (frontpage) concept to allow multiple featured
> menu items (for example, Cats, Pets, Animals). The UI for this could be
> similar to the existing frontpage, except that instead of a yes/no checkbox
> you would have a drop-down list of available featured menu items and assign
> an article to one or more of these. Then you could create a blog or list
> based on the articles tagged for that menu item.
>
> A second approach would be to do something like I do with keywords in my
> extension and allow the creation of blog or list layouts based on matching
> keywords.
>
> I'm sure there are other approaches as well. Not sure which approach people
> would prefer. The multiple featured approach is perhaps the most similar to
> what we have now and might be the most natural way to extend the
> functionality. Mark
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Matt Thomas <m...@betweenbrain.com> wrote:
> > You've got my vote for inclusion to 1.7.
>
> > Matt
>
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Hi Hassan. No, an article can only belong to one category. Perhaps the
> >> best solution to this is using a tagging system. For example, in 1.5, I
> >> wrote an extension called FJ Related Component that lets you create blog and
> >> list layouts using keywords as tags. I think there are plans for adding
> >> tagging to the core, perhaps for 1.7. Mark
>
> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Hassan Nasir <hassanmir...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Can there be a way to have one article belong to multiple categories? As
> >>> have add article to any nested category, it already belongs to multiple
> >>> categories but under same root? But can we have one article under different
> >>> roots?
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This theme of multiple categories is very important, joomla thought I
would take this into consideration in 1.6, I think we still have time
and add this function to joomla, it is really very important and would
solve many problems for developers who create large website.
one of the great problems of joomla 1.5 in security, are third-party
extensions to this should not be needed an extension, this is
something that should be part of the core joomla.
Regards
On 29 mar, 10:22, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hola Hassan. No, un artículo sólo puede pertenecer a una categoría. Tal vez la mejor
> solución a esto es usando un sistema de etiquetado. Por ejemplo, en el 1,5, escribí un
> extensión llamada FJ relacionadas componente que le permite crear un blog y la lista de
> diseños utilizando palabras clave como etiquetas. Creo que hay planes para añadir etiquetas
> hasta la médula, tal vez por 1,7. Mark
>
> El Lun, 29 de marzo 2010 a las 3:48 AM, Hassan <hassanmir Nasir...gmail.com>escribió:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ¿Puede haber una manera de tener un artículo pertenecen a varias categorías? Ya que
> > Han añadir el artículo a una categoría anidados, que ya pertenece a múltiples
> Categorías> pero en la misma raíz? Pero, ¿podemos tener un artículo en diferentes
> Raíces>?
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Sorry if I sound bad.
On 30 mar, 09:53, Ian MacLennan <ian.maclen...@joomla.org> wrote:
> Sí, sin duda hay todavía tiempo para añadir esta característica en 1.7 o posterior.
>
> Recuerdos
>
> 2010/3/30 Luis M @ ster <luismas...iwebdevelope.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi!
>
> > Este tema de varias categorías es muy importante, pensé que joomla
> > Lo tomaría en consideración en 1,6, creo que todavía estamos a tiempo
> > Y añadir esta función a Joomla, es realmente muy importante y
> > Resolver los muchos problemas a los desarrolladores que crean gran sitio web.
>
> > Uno de los grandes problemas de Joomla 1.5 en la seguridad, son de terceros
> > Extensiones a esto no debería ser necesaria una ampliación, esto es
> > Algo que debería ser parte de la comunidad de Joomla básico.
>
> > Regards
>
> > El 29 de marzo, 10:22, Mark <dextercow Dexter...gmail.com>escribió:
> >> Hola Hassan. No, sólo un articulo Puede Pertenecer A UNA categoría. Tal
> > Vez la mejor
> >> Solución a esto es usando un sistema de etiquetado. Por ejemplo, en el
> > 1,5, escribí un
> >> Extensión llamada FJ relacionadas componente que le Permite Crear un blog
> > Y la lista de
> >> Diseños Utilizando palabras clave como etiquetas. Creo que hay aviones
> Añadir etiquetas> para
> >> Hasta la médula, tal vez por 1,7. Mark
>
> >> El Lun, 29 de marzo 2010 a las 3:48 AM, Hassan <Nasir hassanmir ...
> > Gmail.com> escribió:
>
> >>> ¿Puede haber una Manera de Tener un artículo pertenecen uno varias
> > Categorías? Que Ya
> >>> Han añadir el artículo A UNA Anidados categoría, que ya Pertenece a
> > Múltiples
> >> Categorías> pero en la misma Raíz? Pero, ¿podemos Tener un artículo en
> > Diferentes
> >> Raíces>?
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Cheers,
Sam Moffatt
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2010/3/31 Luis M@ster <luism...@iwebdevelope.com>:
He is absolutely right in what he says, I hope that in future this
function is taken into consideration as it is very important.
if you can send the access, thanks you very much.
Regards
Author: | darb [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Replace Section/Category with Tagging (Draft) |
I dont think this is a good idea at all. To take away the section/category structure of Joomla. As I understand Delicious is non-hierarchical structure using tags for mapping social bookmarks? What Joomla must preserve is to be m o r e and better hierarchical structured than today working with attributes/topics and terms (Drupal word), nodes and t a x o n o m y. How you do when you want to map many to many attributes? Tags is useful when you have a couple of hundreds relations but what happens later when you got 1000 and 10000 of them? And how do you map them accurately and how will I find them? only by searching? I think its important not to miss the browsing too. Tagging is good for SEO and making an extra way of finding your content but not in my opinion to replace Joomlas core structure... But using taxonomy system is a powerful way to categorize and structure the content of a site and to specify how different categories are semantically related to each other; that is how their meaning is related. Using Taxonomy you can build trees (known as vocabularies) of topics (known as terms) to define the conceptual and semantic structure of your site. The tree can illustrate the purpose, meaning and relationship of one node to another. This is how it works with Drupal and I hope Joomla will following this instead... |
However, for any of this to happen, we need people willing to step up
and work on code.
It's really a shame that this is the kind of response Nils gets. He was simply asking for feedback on the concept of the feature. Instead of some sort encouragement or general feedback, that might result in some code, this is what he gets, which will likely further discourage any possible contribution. I know it discourages me even more from bothering to code a new feature for consideration.
Best,
Matt Thomas
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On Oct 20, 2012 9:33 PM, "elin" <elin....@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think we need to make it simple.
leave the category as is, and we should build general tagging system that can be integrated with multiple components (just like categories). In addition, as Elin mentioned, we also should integrated this with smart search.
In the future we could extend it to multi category with cross reference, but first let's build simple tagging, cause tagging feature is very valuable feature for CMS.
just my shnekel :)
Ofer
On a simple system with limited content I can see victors system working adequately but my worry is that such a system will get very complicated when you have lots of content. It would be ok when you are displaying single level categories but I can see it getting into a real mess when you have nested categories.
Having said that it's only a guess and the only way to really tell would be to have some code that can be tested in real world environments.
Marc's tagging solution seems a better option in the long run as it sits outside of the category structure but I don't like the idea of it relying on smart search to display it as that still has many issues on sites that fully use the ACL.
On a simple system with limited content I can see victors system working adequately but my worry is that such a system will get very complicated when you have lots of content. It would be ok when you are displaying single level categories but I can see it getting into a real mess when you have nested categories.
Having said that it's only a guess and the only way to really tell would be to have some code that can be tested in real world environments.
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Recently i worked on an ecommerce system for joomla where exactly this problem appears. My solution was to have a main category, which is used for the canonical url and so on, and the ability to add the item to more categories. The layout params for example comes from the current displayed category. Maybe it's not the best solution, but it worked for me.
The only thing we need is the assumption that by default it's denied and loop through the categories until he gets the permission (if he gets it). And the best: If he uses only one category per article, ut's the same behavior like now.
So if the ACL isn't a problem i see two others: sef-urls and access.
I don't like our sef-urls generally. But a short soultion could be to use an extra slide/accordion/fieldset for seo related stuff with an option to to use a category for sef-urls. The alias and the meta options could also belongs to that slide/accordion/fieldset.
About the access i want to ask first if there's any approach of changes. Wasn't there something about adding something like "privacy" to differentiate between access to an item and view the item (-intro) ?
Are there more problem which i may overlooked ?
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Lately i was thinking about the ACL problem with multi-categories and came more and more to the decision that there isn't really a problem. Today we are using only "create", "delete" and "edit":
- If i create an article the ACL is only used by getting possbile categories, so nothing will changed.
- If i want to delete an article i have to check if its in a category where i be able to delte something. So instead of getting the permission of one category we will loop through assigned categories.
- If i want to edit an article it's the same thing like to delete.
The only thing we need is the assumption that by default it's denied and loop through the categories until he gets the permission (if he gets it). And the best: If he uses only one category per article, ut's the same behavior like now.
So if the ACL isn't a problem i see two others: sef-urls and access.
I don't like our sef-urls generally. But a short soultion could be to use an extra slide/accordion/fieldset for seo related stuff with an option to to use a category for sef-urls. The alias and the meta options could also belongs to that slide/accordion/fieldset.
About the access i want to ask first if there's any approach of changes. Wasn't there something about adding something like "privacy" to differentiate between access to an item and view the item (-intro) ?
Are there more problem which i may overlooked ?
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But we can inherit the access permission and other parameters from the categories.
My idea is to use the current/active category to inherit such things. That will allow us for example to have different alternative layouts for the same article. Or even different altenative intro layouts in the same blog view.
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Also check the table class.
Elin
Brilliant! This will be at least as big a step ahead for Joomla as was dropping the strict section/category setup or the ACL. Joomla will become yet so much more suitable for huge sites. I'm getting excited, thinking of the possibilities. The ease of connecting products with articles in a shop. Or connecting images in galleries with articles, news items, users etc. Phantastic.