Artima.com

[Vince O'Sullivan]

Artima.com appears to be more or less dead, these days.

 

Where do people go these days for discussion of software development (with a bias towards Java)?  (Or is all the interesting stuff taking place outside Java?)

[Moandji Ezana]

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Vince O'Sullivan <vjosu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Artima.com appears to be more or less dead, these days.

 

Where do people go these days for discussion of software development (with a bias towards Java)?  (Or is all the interesting stuff taking place outside Java?)

InfoQ

Unsupported Operation podcast for quick news/updates on frameworks, languages, etc.

Moandji 

[Ricky Clarkson]

Um, here in this mailing list/newsgroup?  Besides that, Twitter to some extent, or the office.  It's quite pleasant having people around at work who know their stuff although they tend to read from Spanish language sources meaning they're a few days behind me or some topics just don't make it through at all and I get blank looks.

I wish IRC were useful for that, but there be topic nazis.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Vince O'Sullivan <vjosu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Artima.com appears to be more or less dead, these days.

 

Where do people go these days for discussion of software development (with a bias towards Java)?  (Or is all the interesting stuff taking place outside Java?)

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[blake]

I might suggest that you turn your attention to Android. There are
amazing possibilities for someone with a lot of experience with Java,
in the Android community. There are a lot of people over there,
coming from little or no experience with the kind of community, tools
and frameworks with which we are so familiar. The Android community
could very much, benefit from our experience.

On the other hand, Android is substantially different from Java. The
devices are different, the environment is different, and the
constraints are different. At the same time that we have a lot to
bring to the Android community, I, at least, find, that many of the
things I know are wrong there. It is a wonderful chance to get shaken
out of your comfort zone, a bit, and take a hike on a new learning
curve.

Android: the new desktop Java. FTW!

-blake

On Apr 26, 7:29 pm, Ricky Clarkson <ricky.clark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Um, here in this mailing list/newsgroup?  Besides that, Twitter to some
> extent, or the office.  It's quite pleasant having people around at work
> who know their stuff although they tend to read from Spanish language
> sources meaning they're a few days behind me or some topics just don't make
> it through at all and I get blank looks.
>
> I wish IRC were useful for that, but there be topic nazis.
>

[Cédric Beust ♔]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:26 AM, blake <blake...@gmail.com> wrote:

On the other hand, Android is substantially different from Java.

Mmmh... in what ways exactly?

It's 100% of Java "the language", most of the libraries (no AWT nor Swing), perfectly integrated with IDEA and Eclipse (to the point where you can use the debugger and put break points in your application while it's running on the device).

It has its own graphic library with, admittedly, a statically typed resource system that will look a bit unusual to newcomers, but again, that's nothing more than a framework doing things slightly differently, like a lot of libraries in the Java ecosystem.

I think one of the reasons for Android's success is precisely because Java developers can get up to speed very, very quickly.

-- 

Cédric

[Vince O'Sullivan]

I've added both Unsupported Operation and Illegal Argument to my podcast lists.  They sound interesting.  Less dynamic than the Java Posse but more focussed.  We'll see how it goes.

On Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:51:00 UTC+1, Mwanji Ezana wrote:

[Mark Derricutt]

On 27/04/12 2:29 PM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:

I wish IRC were useful for that, but there be topic nazis.

Amusingly, I spot several people in this thread who are those same IRC topic nazis ;-)

Or have been in the past :)

[Mark Derricutt]

On 29/04/12 12:41 AM, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:

I've added both Unsupported Operation and Illegal Argument to my podcast lists.  They sound interesting.  Less dynamic than the Java Posse but more focussed.  We'll see how it goes.

We're more focussed?  Uh oh ;-)  Now we're in trouble.

[Vince O'Sullivan]

Well, I've only listened to about five minutes of each, so far.  Perhaps the sample was unrepresentative.  ;)  Won't know for sure until tomorrow and I'm get a proper listen while commuting.

[Mark Derricutt]

On 29/04/12 11:12 PM, Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
> Well, I've only listened to about five minutes of each, so far.
> Perhaps the sample was unrepresentative. ;) Won't know for sure
> until tomorrow and I'm get a proper listen while commuting.

Maybe it just means my editing skills have improved ;-) We are a lot
more focussed now than the earlier episodes ( altho the magic of editing
hides a lot of that as I'm sure Dick can attest to ).

[blake]

I think we agree completely: the main thing that is actually identical
is the syntax of the language in which you program the system. That
is an important similarity, and it makes it easy for Java devs to join
the Android community. J2EE devs will find even further
similarities. As you point out, JDWP works too.

On the other hand, Android runs on a completely different VM with very
different rules for JIT optimization. The GC is very different and
the concurrency rules are pretty different. Even from 50K feet, there
are obvious differences (AWT, Intents, etc). When you get close
enough to do actual development, the differences are substantial.

-blake



On Apr 27, 8:05 am, Cédric Beust ♔ <ced...@beust.com> wrote:

[Vince O'Sullivan]

On the way in to work yesterday I listened to my first Unsup.  Episode 70.  It was surprising, then amazing, then simply unbelievable!

 

Perhaps starting with the 1st of April issue wasn't the best of ideas.  Certainly entertaining though.  ;)

[Mark Derricutt]

*bows* Ironically, a few of the things we joked about actually seem to
have come to pass, only in a somewhat slightly different fashion.

They don't say us Kiwis are in the future for nothing :)