working with teenagers

[Monika Ryan]

Hi all,

 

I am looking for a young person with a positive outlook, who might be interested in spending paid time with a teenagers.

 

For further information, or if you are interested, please call me on 0404 798 368.

 

Cheers,

 

Monika

[Karl Auer]

On Wed, 2018-05-23 at 13:20 +1000, Monika Ryan wrote:
> I am looking for a young person with a positive outlook, who might be
> interested in spending paid time with a teenagers.

You should be cautious about offering employment on discriminatory
terms.

Regards, K.

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[Dan Dakis]

Hey Monika,

I may be available to help with this or at the very least know someone who may be able to assist.

Could you please forward a few details?

Thanks,

Dan

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[Monika Ryan]

Hi Karl,
As you may have a good point there, may I ask you how you would formulate this?
For example, I was looking for people who may be able to relate well to a 14 or 16 year old. And I thought that this was much more likely with people closer to their age group. How can I express this without being discriminating?
Thank you for your time.
Regards,
Monika

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[Karl Auer]

On Thu, 2018-05-24 at 11:50 +1000, Monika Ryan wrote:
> As you may have a good point there, may I ask you how you would
> formulate this?

The usual approach is to state what skills, experience and
characteristics the position actually requires in order for the task to
be carried out.

Then via applications, interviews and referees, figure out which of the
applicants actually has the attributes you need.

"Can relate well to teenagers" is fine, but "must be a young person" is
not. There are plenty of older people who can relate well to teenagers,
and plenty of young people who can't.

Apart from the damage to society and the hurt to those affected by it,
discrimination also artificially reduces the pool of suitable
candidates, so it harms the employer too.

[Monika Ryan]

Thank you very much!

Monika

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[Dan Tarasenko]

Karl if

" discrimination also artificially reduces the pool of suitable candidates, so it harms the employer too."

Why do we need laws banning it?

[Carsten Eckelmann]

Because not every employer understands this. There are also laws for wearing seatbelts although it's obvious that one should wear one.

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[Monika Ryan]

I think that, as it was in my case, employers may not be aware that they are discriminative. I apologize to those I might have hurt. I did not mean to discriminate, and am glad to have learned something valuable. Thank you again Karl.

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Carsten Eckelmann

 

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[Dan Tarasenko]

I’ll try with a bit more detail.

 

Gary, a highly qualified, educated and experienced, older, gay, person of colour applies for a job at Rednecks r us pty ltd.

 

Gary is discarded as a candidate even though he is the best candidate for the business based on one of the above attributes.

 

The business loses Gary and ends up with a sub optimal employee called Barry who ends up stealing from the till sending the company broke.

 

Gary wins because he doesn’t end up working for people who don’t like him. He applies for a job elsewhere and gets it.

 

What is the problem? Who was harmed that shouldn’t be?

[James Hebden]

Please grind your axe elsewhere. Your contrived scenario is extremely silly.

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[Dan Tarasenko]

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