Hooghly Today : finally KAKROL / GOL-KAKRA

[surajit koley]

My colleague, Mr. M. M. Quasem collected a fruit from local market and a sapling from his neighbour.

A little while ago my mother has planted the sapling in our homeyard, but the plant may not survive, thanks to crowded public transport.

Thank you

Regards

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks a lot Surajit ji

Finally we have Momordica cochinchinensis in our database.

Three cheers For Surajit ji.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

And we have also learnt that Kakrol (and not Gol-kakrol-M. cochinchinensis), which is such a common vegetable in India mostly remained burried under M. dioica (and somewhat under M. cochinchinensis because of name kakrol) in FBI (which lists both M. renigera Wall. and M. subangulata as synonyms of M. dioica) and subsequent Indian books. Useful Plants of India (CSIR) does not list M. renigera, but uses both names kakrol and gol-kakrol for M. cochinchinensis. The all important book on vegetable crops by Gopalakrishnan gives long list of differences between M. dioica and M. cochinchinensis (Kakrol) but totally silent about M. renigera.

    We are not alone in this confusion. M. dioica does not grown in China but has been reported in most Chinese Floras as misidentification of M renigera (now M. subangulata subsp. renigera).

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250096515

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

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[surajit koley]

Sir,

My colleague says one or two of his neighbors have this plant, The plants grow on their own. My colleague collected this sapling growing under such a climber which occupies the canopy of a 30 ft tree.

Usually village kids collect these fruits from wildly growing plants and sell those at Rs. 3/- to 5/- each.

I have information of another one, growing in a graveyard. People collect fruits from such places.

If time & monsoon permit i will try to visit the majestic vine.

Thank you very much for elaborate account and misconception over KAKROL.

Regards,

surajit

[Giby Kuriakose]

Dear Surjithji,

Very nice depiction and good pictures.

Thanks for the pictures and information

Regards

Giby

[surajitkoley]

Thank you very much Giby Sir.

Sorry for late reply, didn't receive email.

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

I went to FURFURA (Sheakhala, Hooghly) today to record this one. But I was too late.... flowering time is over.

Thank you

Regards

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[Gurcharan Singh]

You missed red fruits.

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[surajit koley]

Good morning Sir

There was no fully ripe red fruit. The fruits are eaten while they remain green, the owner gifted me two (the last pic).

Thank you

Regards

[Ushadi Micromini]

wonderful case study

usha di

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Ushadi

It was a very good upload because M. cochinchinensis (Gac fruit, Gol Kakra) , M. acutangula Particularly M. subangulata subsp. renigera-Kakrol-commonly sold in Indian markets) subsp. acutangula with smooth fruits and popular in Thailand, , and M. dioica (Kantola, bhat karela, kaksa, fruits half the size of kakrol with sharper spines), although so distinct are terribly confused in literature, more so on reputed websites, even Flora of China had earlier confused M. renigera as M. dioica.

http://www.plantsystematics.org/imgs/dws/r/Cucurbitaceae_Momordica_subangulata_17585.html      this is actually M. cochinchinensis, twice the size of M. subangulata

http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/value_addition/Vegetables/073.html this is real M. subangulata subsp. subangulata

In fact I had purchased photograph of fully mature M. cochinenchinensis royalty free online before Surajit uploaded in this mail, both are in my book  "Know your Fruits and Vegetables: Cucurbits"

http://www.infibeam.com/Books/book/9789383271658.html?trackId=bookmandi

I am uploading photographs of  M. dioca and M. subangulata subsp. renigera to complete the series.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
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[surajit koley]

Thank you very much Didi. Only for Gurcharan Sir it was possible. The study will be finished as and when I record its flower.

Regards

[surajit koley]

Good morning Sir.

Thank you very very much. It was wonderful experience. I would very much like too have another such book by you on Solanaceae.

Regards

[Gurcharan Singh]

Surely Surajit

Currently I am working on Leaf and root vegetables. Solanaceae may be be one of the future ones.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[Promila Chaturvedi]

It resembles the veg. kakora.

Promila

[surajit koley]

Thank you Sir, will look forward to the new title.

Regards

[surajit koley]

Yes Madam, thank you very much.

Regards

[Ushadi Micromini]

Thanks Gurcharanji

bought the book today. wait to get delivery.

Your two pictures today help make sense why the "same" kakrol vegetable from the local markets often look a little different shaped...  i will try to dissect and later taste the cooked vegetable to see if i can find any difference.

ANd Surajit... in urban areas where local rare veg are not available I have never seen that gol-kakarol.  thanks for this case.

and when you do get flowers next spring , may be you will add it to this thread... i am saving it.

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[surajit koley]

Yes, Didi, surely I will post the flowers in this thread when I get them.

Thank you

Regards

[surajit koley]

I went to FURFURA SHARIF today. My colleague M.M.Quasem had information that one plant in his village was in flowering and fruiting stage now. I went there at around 3 pm. The owner took us to the roof of his single-storied house. There were few flowers! But we needed one more storey to reach those flowers. However, we could access one!

Attached here a new set, recorded today.

Thank you

Regards

surajit koley

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[surajit koley]

Two more photographs to show a partly mature fruit and bract of a flower (around 15ft above our head).

Thank you

Regards

surajit koley

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