isn't it Trewia nudiflora ? from Hooghly 02-05-12 SK

[surajit koley]

Sir,

Attaching fruit images of Trewia nudiflora L. that i recorded this morning.

But i am very confused regarding the ID. The fruits of Trewia nudiflora available in the net do not match with mine.

Even earlier efI posts by Pravin Ji (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/trewia$20nudiflora/indiantreepix/mvDKkA64exE/zqi5jokubhQJ) and Dinesh Ji (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/trewia$20nudiflora/indiantreepix/lbkwF5QPYgY/5-0xsfwX6XsJ) show different fruits.

If the fruits in these attached images are not of Trewia nudiflora then my earlier post of the very same tree (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/cl3zczbsij8) is not Trewia nudiflora.

Also attaching pictures of a red-whiskered bulbul & a white-throated kingfisher (State bird of West Bengal), perched on another Trewia tree, alongwith.

Species : Trewia nudiflora L. ???

Habit & Habitat : tree, roadside plantation

Date : 02-05-2012, 10.30 a.m.

Place : Gobra (Hooghly), WB

ID help : http://www.plantphoto.cn/tu.aspx?id=58571

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

[harithasandhya]

Dear Surajit ji and friends,

I think this are the the fruits of Trewia nudiflora. I had seen similar fruits last year in Palakkad, Kerala.
The id of the tree was confirmed  by a botanist friend of mine. Unfortunately I couldn't photograph the fruits then.
As you said the fruits in the earlier posts by Pravin ji and Dinesh ji does look different and it confuses me too.
Hopefully our experts will help to solve this confusion.

Regards,
Sandhya

[Vijayasankar]

This may be Mallotus polycarpus (= Trewia polycarpa).
Pl check this link: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pe0N9TV-N48

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[surajit koley]

Thank you Vijayasankar Ji for the ID suggestion. But this website http://www.mpbd.info/plants/trewia-polycarpa.php says T. polycarpa Benth. and T. nudiflora L. are same species!

Regards,

surajit

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“I think this are the the fruits of Trewia nudiflora. I had seen similar fruits last year in Palakkad, Kerala.

The id of the tree was confirmed  by a botanist friend of mine. Unfortunately I couldn't photograph the fruits then.
As you said the fruits in the earlier posts by Pravin ji and Dinesh ji does look different and it confuses me too.
Hopefully our experts will help to solve this confusion.

Regards,
Sandhya”

 

“This may be Mallotus polycarpus (= Trewia polycarpa).

Pl check this link: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pe0N9TV-N48

 

Regards   
Vijayasankar Raman”

 

“Thank you Vijayasankar Ji for the ID suggestion. But this website http://www.mpbd.info/plants/trewia-polycarpa.php says T. polycarpa Benth. and T. nudiflora L. are same species!

Regards,
surajit”

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[jmgarg1]

A reply:

"Yes!
This is Trewia nudiflora of Euphorbiaceae

PROF A P DAS"

 

Thanks, Dr. Das.

[surajit koley]

Sir,

Thank you very much for taking care of this common tree in Hooghly.

I humbly request you to convey my thanks and regards to Dr. Das.

Regards,

Surajit Koley

[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Have many Trewia nudiflora [Petari / Petani] trees on my property at Shahpur [the photographs of which are available in the archives of this group for comparison]. I do not agree with this diagnosis.                    With regards,                      Neil Soares. --- On Fri, 5/11/12, surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com> wrote:

[surajit koley]

Neil Sir,

I have also noticed the differences and i have mentioned it at the top of this post. Let us wait for more inputs :)

Thank you very much and Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

Sir / Madam,

Attaching more images of fruit (scale in cm) and seeds. The fruit pic seems to me to conform the description given at - http://www.forestrynepal.org/resources/trees/trewia-nudiflora. 

Though one of the attached pics shows 3 seeds the other one, cut into halves, clearly gives hint of four seeds.

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:57:27 UTC+5:30, surajit koley wrote:

[surajit koley]

Dear All,

This Trewia will give me sleepless nights! Pasting here two more relevant links :-

1) http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/euphorbs/specM/Mallotus.htm#Mallotus_nudiflorus

2) http://asianplant.net/Euphorbiaceae/Mallotus_nudiflorus.htm

One ready reckoner - http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/euphorbs/specM/MallotusRet.htm

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:57:27 UTC+5:30, surajit koley wrote:

[Pravin Kawale]

Hi,

Attaching Trewia nudiflora fruits

Regards

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Pravin

[surajit koley]

Good evening Pravin Ji.... thank you very much for the attached photo.

I humbly request you to see the following link and give me your observations relating to the document content (i failed to understand many terms given in that document) - https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/12383/Kulju_thesis_4_Cp3.pdf?sequence=12

Thank you once again and Warm Regards,

Surajit Koley

[Rajesh Sachdev]

As per the Forest Trees of Western Ghats book (authored by ex-IFS Mr S G Neginihal) Trewia nudiflora and Trewia polycarpa are two different species, where as former is found through out the country and later  (with glabrous infls. and 2 locular ovaryIis distributed only in peninsular India (Saldanha) .

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[surajit koley]

Good evening Rajesh Ji...

Thank you very much for this piece of very important (to me) information.

With Warm Regards,

Surajit

[surajit koley]

Dear All,

Please ignore this mail because i am pasting here some links (given elsewhere) for my own future reference - 

1. My 1st post (inflorescence) : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/cl3zczbsij8

......... 1.A. (synonyms) - http://culturesheet.org/euphorbiaceae:trewia:nudiflora

2. My 3rd post (blister) : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/zVIX32vdKMY

........ 2.A. (galls & blister) : http://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/bp/bp-143-w.pdf

.........2.B. (KEW record) : http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-347305

3. Trewia by Muthu Ji : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/iV_YwN_tDe8

.........3.A. Photos by Dinesh Ji : http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&w=91314344@N00&q=Mallotus+nudiflorus&m=text

..........3.A.2. meaning of nudiflorus : http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/3113052298/

..........3.A.3 do : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nudiflorous

..........3.A.4. do : http://www.nargs.org/nargswiki/tiki-index.php?page=Dictionary%20of%20Specific%20Epithets

..........3.B. herbarium : http://ww2.bgbm.org/herbarium/Access.cfm?Col=4&IsoCode=all&Fam=EUPHORBIACEAE&SubColl=Phanerogamenherbar&FullNameCache=all&Genus=Trewia

4. Trewia by Balkar Sir : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pe0N9TV-N48

Thank you and Regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

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Thank you

Regards

surajit koley

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

The original spelling is 'Trevia' which has to be followed.
Trevia nudiflora is recently transferred to Mallotus based on molecular studies and is now called Mallotus nudiflorus. For this purpose, in order to avoid a massive nomenclatural landslide, the name Mallotus has been conserved against Trevia.  However, me and Dr. Balakrishnan still consider that Trevia should be treated as a separate genus. An important morphological feature that separates Trevia from Mallotus is that the anthers of the former have no connective separating the anther thecae.  Further the ovary and fruits of Mallotus are muricate or often echinate whereas the fruits of Trevia are smooth.

Therefore we will stick to our treatment as given in Fl. India 23: 168. 2012.

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