pink okra ID from Hooghly 05-05-12 SK-3

[surajit koley]

Sir / Madam,

The Bengali name for Hibiscus mutabilis is STHALPADMA and i have seen it shrub occasionally. But does it have okra like fruit? The attached pictures are of a herb, much smaller than STHALPADMA

Species : Hibiscus mutabilis L. ???

Habit & Habitat : wild herb, about 2 ft., uncultivated land

Date : 17-03-12, 9.54 a.m.

Place : Gobra (Hooghly), WB

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

[Mahadeswara]

Negative.

[surajit koley]

Thank you Sir for confirming that it cannot be STHALPADMA.

It would be a prize catch if it is a mutant Hibiscus esculentus :)

Regards,

surajit

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Negative.” from Mahadeswara ji.             

           
"Thank you Sir for confirming that it cannot be STHALPADMA.

It would be a prize catch if it is a mutant Hibiscus esculentus :)

Regards,
surajit"

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[surajit koley]

Thank you very much, Garg Sir, for taking care of this species too.

Regards,

Surajit koley

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again forId confirmation orotherwise please.

Some earlierrelevant feedback:

“Negative.” from Mahadeswara ji.       

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From: surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com>
Date: 5 May 2012 23:31
Subject: [efloraofindia:115676] pink okra ID from Hooghly 05-05-12 SK-3
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[Chitra Shanker]

This looks like Kasturi bhendi an ayurvedic herb Abelmoschus moschatus

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[surajit koley]

Respected Dr. Chitra Ji,

Thank you very much for the ID of this plant. Taking cue from you i have found description and images at - http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?uid=Abelmoschus_moschatus. Also learned that these flowers can be yellow also.

Later in order to take more photographs i visited that particular place a number of times but the plant seemed to be vanished. I also searched the surrounding area, there was no trace of a second individual.

Thank you once again.

Regards,

Surajit Koley

[ushadi Micromini]

besh bhalo argument and link...

but look at the leaves ... your leaves do not at all match the leaves in toptropical's pictures... shape, venation and colors of vein are all different...

usha di

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Usha di
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[Chitra Shanker]

Check out this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abelmoschus_moschatus
Actually the yellow flowers when drying look pink. The flowers I have seen were not red like in toptropicals site

[surajit koley]

Good morning Usha Di

I have noticed the differences, last night, but then i thought it might be had been resulted from -

• changes due to varieties
• change due to plant age
• change of habitat
• change due to migration from cultivation to wild propagation
• change in soil quality, say, available macro & micro nutrients, temp., humidity etc

Many a times i have noticed marked differences in leaf shapes & surface textures of Ipomoea aquatica and I. marginata.

But, then it might also be some other Abelmoschus sp. At least we have some clue now. Please also check -

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/incredibleayurveda/5612535917/
  
• http://www.tropilab.com/yorkaokro.html
  
• http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/research/projects/homeopathy/database/

However, attaching two uncropped images of the same plant for your perusal.

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

Good morning Madam

Thank you once again for the link and more information on the plant. I fail to find much data/images from Indian subcontinent so that i could compare the varieties, if available.

Regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

Chitra Ji & Usha Di,

Today i visited the place once again. Found three saplings, 6 to 8 inches high, that i think of the same species. But, before i proceed please let me give a bit more details of those saplings. Those three saplings were planted in line with a gap of about 2 ft each. It is as if they were planted by someone, but only three?!

Attaching the images of leaves from those plants/saplings. Please note :-

• leaves blades are "very variable" in Abelmoschus moschatus - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013669
• leaves are "extremely variable in shape and size" in A. moschatus - http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Musk%20Mallow.html
• picture of the leaves - http://www.flickr.com/photos/incredibleayurveda/5612535917/
• Abelmoschus moschatus Medik. = Abelmoschus sagittifolius (Kurz) Merr. - http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?623#syn
• if we move to A. sagittifolius we find "corolla mostly white or pale yellow to dark pink" - http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013671
• same has been noted for Hibiscus abelmoschus in - http://www.memidex.com/hibiscus-abelmoschus
• even another text describing corolla colour - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Hibiscus+abelmoschus

One seller is selling a plant named "Hibiscus abelmoschus sagittifolius" - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hibiscus-abelmoschus-sagittifolius-Salmon-Pink-Flowers-Caudiciform-10-seeds-/170843422874 !!! Well, it was for science only, in no way for promoting the seller :)

Thank you once again and Regards,

Surajit Koley

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:21 AM, ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[surajit koley]

Usha Di & Chitra Ji,

I am very sorry to say that those saplings, pictures attached here, are not Abelmoschus moschatus. I visited those saplings again and noticed that they have grown to blooming Hibiscus vitifolius L. as in - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Yk4fhIxo8eQ. ... :((

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

Dear All Respected Members,

Though the second set of pictures of the saplings turned out to be another species, the plant featuring in the original post is surely Abelmoschus moschatus Medik., as have been identified by Chitra Ji.

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

I think closer to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.

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I think closer to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.

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Thank you Sir for the updated ID.

Regards

Surajit Koley

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