MS June, 2016/06 Orchidaceae for ID

[M Sawmliana]

Location : Sairep, Mizoram
Date : 08-06-2016
Habit : Epiphytic orchid
Habitat : Wild



With regards,
M.Sawmliana

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Please check Eria

[Dr Pankaj Kumar]

I would say this is Coelogyne prolifera.

Thanks a lot for sharing.

Pankaj

[Khyanjeet Gogoi]

It may be Coelogyne schultesii S.K.Jain & S.Das. Please send me a
close up photo of flower.................

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[J.M. Garg]

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:39 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise  please.

Some earlier relevant  feedback:

I would say this is Coelogyne prolifera. Thanks a lot for sharing. Pankaj

It may be Coelogyne schultesii S.K.Jain & S.Das. Please send me a close up photo of flower................. - from Khyanjeet ji

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Durgesh ji.

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From: Durgesh Verma
Date: 4 July 2016 at 14:50
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:245872] Re: MS June, 2016/06 Orchidaceae for ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

It is undoubtedly Coelogyne longipes Lindl.

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Durgesh Verma
Botanical Survey of India, 

NRC, Dehradun (Uttarakhand) India.

[J.M. Garg]

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Date: 4 July 2016 at 17:00
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To: "J. M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thank a lot Durgesh ji

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
Date: 4 July 2016 at 20:40
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:246483] Re: MS June, 2016/06 Orchidaceae for ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Prolifera is highly variable and even Seidenfaden gave a collection of illustrations for this species.

Undoubtedly confusing.....so I can understand so many views.....

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:

:) prolifera.... writing just to you....

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Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.

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[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

I guess Coelogyne longipes is the correct ID !

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orchidspecies.com%2Forphotdir%2Fcoellongipes.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orchidspecies.com%2Fcoellongipes.htm&docid=u590j9UM8UjqVM&tbnid=Mb5h91G_44DjdM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwi91fS4y7rcAhXZXisKHe_XBS4QMwgzKAEwAQ..i&w=484&h=321&bih=388&biw=911&q=Coelogyne%20longipes&ved=0ahUKEwi91fS4y7rcAhXZXisKHe_XBS4QMwgzKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_pYrjy7rcAhWYaCsKHYT-DzsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orchidspecies.com%2Fcoellongipes.htm&psig=AOvVaw3YBOZAvMZThxxkC7XoTqS2&ust=1532619702944597

Thank you 

Saroj Kasaju 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji 

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[Pankaj Kumar]

This plant had been very tricky since I saw it first.

It has confused many.

Seidenfaden treated Coelogyne flavida separately, but then it was merged with C. prolifera. Then few images of C. flavida of his were not flavida = prolifera but C. schultesii and even some of his images of prolifera were schultesii.

Schultesii and longipes both were published in Journal of Indian Academy of Sciences, Bombay B. I could never get this journal for 1978. So I cant confirm.

Now, if i follow the key in monograph of Coelogyne by Clayton, 

Schultesii and prolifera has ovoid or ellipsoid pseudobulbs; schultesii has 2 keels near base of the lip, elevated and prominent on the mid-lobe; flowers white to brown, side-lobes of lip with brown; lip midlobe orbicular or subquadrate. Prolifera has 2 keels terminating two thirds onto the mid-lobe; flowers yellow to yellowish-green; lip midlobe orbicular or subquadrate. Longipes has cylindric or narrowly ovoid pseudobulbs; 2 keels terminating at the mid-lobe, prominent on mid-lobe only; flower yellow; lip mid-lobe cordate, distinctly bi-lobed and mucronate tip.

I will need a proper spreadup of labellum to confirm if possible.

In my opinion, to solve this issue taxonomically, schultesii and prolifera should be merged. They are highly variable and all variations fit well under each  other. I agree that longipes should stay the way it is.

Thanks and regards

Pankaj

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:30 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Saroj ji 

On Wed 25 Jul, 2018, 9:15 PM Saroj Kumar Kasaju, <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess Coelogyne longipes is the correct ID !

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orchidspecies.com%2Forphotdir%2Fcoellongipes.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orchidspecies.com%2Fcoellongipes.htm&docid=u590j9UM8UjqVM&tbnid=Mb5h91G_44DjdM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwi91fS4y7rcAhXZXisKHe_XBS4QMwgzKAEwAQ..i&w=484&h=321&bih=388&biw=911&q=Coelogyne%20longipes&ved=0ahUKEwi91fS4y7rcAhXZXisKHe_XBS4QMwgzKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_pYrjy7rcAhWYaCsKHYT-DzsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orchidspecies.com%2Fcoellongipes.htm&psig=AOvVaw3YBOZAvMZThxxkC7XoTqS2&ust=1532619702944597

Thank you 

Saroj Kasaju 

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 9:05:57 PM UTC+5:45, M Sawmliana wrote:

Location : Sairep, Mizoram
Date : 08-06-2016
Habit : Epiphytic orchid
Habitat : Wild



With regards,
M.Sawmliana

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[J.M. Garg]

So I take it as Coelogyne LONGIPES. Am I right? 

Thanks, Saroj ji 

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[Pankaj Kumar]

good to keep it as prolifera.

Thanks, Saroj ji 

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Thanks, Pankaj ji 

Thanks, Saroj ji 

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