Fwd: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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Date: 18 December 2016 at 12:45
Subject: Re: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yes - again!    See attached.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: chrischadwell261@btinternet.com
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016, 7:08
Subject: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra

I think you missed the attachment.

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Date: 18 December 2016 at 11:45
Subject: Megacarpaea polyandra
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Since we are looking at tall umbellifers at present incl. Angelicas, thought of sharing this.

I attach a single image scanned in from a not especially good slide taken of a plant

in cultivation by Alastair McKelvie in the UK.

Looks like a first for eFI, so this is especially useful.

I have never 'encountered' Megacarpaea polyandra in the Himalaya myself.

Flowers of Himalaya says open slopes, light forests @ 3000-4300m from Kashmir to C.Nepal.

Stewart recorded 2 species from N.Pakistan and Kashmir:

M.bifida - N.Pakistan

M.polyandra - Kashmir, where he said it was used for greens; 3000-3900m. Records from Khelanmarg

and 'W.Tibet'.

M.polyandra is not mentioned in 'Plants of Gulmarg' Naqshi, Singh & Koul.

Has it been seen in Uttarakhand in recent years?  It is given in a Supplementary List of plants collected by

Holdsworth in the 'Valley of Flowers' and Upper Garwhal within the book 'The Valley of Flowers'.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
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www.shpa.org.uk

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[D.S Rawat]

Yes it is new for eFI. Thank you for sending this.
It is not so uncommon and its absence in eFI is a bit surprising. I have seen it in a plenty in Dalisera Alpine zone where it characteristically grow under the canopy of Rhododendron campanulatum. At other places it may grow on steep subalpine and alpine meadows. I have even eaten leaves as green vegetable (it is edible) and tastes like other brassicaceae members but with a little more pungency. Root is fusiform and medicinal.

DSRawat Pantnagar

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Rawat ji. 

On 19 December 2016 at 09:47, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes it is new for eFI. Thank you for sending this.
It is not so uncommon and its absence in eFI is a bit surprising. I have seen it in a plenty in Dalisera Alpine zone where it characteristically grow under the canopy of Rhododendron campanulatum. At other places it may grow on steep subalpine and alpine meadows. I have even eaten leaves as green vegetable (it is edible) and tastes like other brassicaceae members but with a little more pungency. Root is fusiform and medicinal.

DSRawat Pantnagar

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:17:05 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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Date: 18 December 2016 at 12:45
Subject: Re: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yes - again!    See attached.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Thanks for your interesting comments Dr Rawat.

Hopefully, members can now spot and post better, digital images including quality close-ups of this plant.   I find many

Apiaceae have attractive or at least curious parts to them, well worth showing in detail - as I do when giving digital presentations

on 'Wild Flowers of Britain' to audiences in the UK.   I will check my images of UK members of this family and if any

exhibiting such characteristics belong to genera or, ideally, species found in the Himalaya, may post some.

Many people in the UK will "dismiss" or walk past plants belonging to particular families or genera viewing them of rather 'weedy

appearance' missing genuine beauty if they examined them more closely.

I have been "Hit" by the additional detail my digital images bring when examining UK plants closely in the past couple of years compared

with what I had seen with the naked eye and hand lens back in the 1980s when I worked for a couple of years a field-surveyor of plants. I

also notice the extra detail I can see compared with the books published at that time containing photographs of British Wild Flowers.  How

fortunate we are nowadays.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 7:47:05 AM UTC, JM Garg wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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Date: 18 December 2016 at 12:45
Subject: Re: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yes - again!    See attached.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
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[gurinder goraya]

Dears,

I have dug up a couple of images I clicked at altitude of about 4000 m asl in September 2014 while on a trek to a high altitude lake in Shimla district of Himachal Pradesh. I am attaching these two images I think are of Megacarpaea polyandra. 

Kindly confirm.

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

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[D.S Rawat]

Yes both are M.polyandra in fruiting state. First picture show the habitat among the R.campanulatum.
DSRawat Pantnagar

On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 9:01:26 AM UTC+5:30, gurinder goraya wrote:

Dears,

I have dug up a couple of images I clicked at altitude of about 4000 m asl in September 2014 while on a trek to a high altitude lake in Shimla district of Himachal Pradesh. I am attaching these two images I think are of Megacarpaea polyandra. 

Kindly confirm.

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Gurinder ji & Rawat ji.

On 24 December 2016 at 13:38, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes both are M.polyandra in fruiting state. First picture show the habitat among the R.campanulatum.
DSRawat Pantnagar

On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 9:01:26 AM UTC+5:30, gurinder goraya wrote:

Dears,

I have dug up a couple of images I clicked at altitude of about 4000 m asl in September 2014 while on a trek to a high altitude lake in Shimla district of Himachal Pradesh. I am attaching these two images I think are of Megacarpaea polyandra. 

Kindly confirm.

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:58 AM
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[C CHADWELL]

I enjoyed your images particularly the one showing the pods so well combined

with a distant view of the mountains.  Such 'habitat' shots are so informative - it

really is important to know and understand the conditions under which a plant grows,

rather than just its identity.  Such insights are often completely missing from pressed

specimens in herbaria (regardless of their quality) as accompanying field notes are so

often minimal to zero and even when detailed cannot match what a good photo imparts.

Field experience and knowledge is under-valued and something contributing members of

this group can contribute much valuable information towards by posting their images.

Do share more such images of a variety of species with us.  My compliments.

As to identity.  The broadly winged fruits appear quite distinctive (not that I have gone

into the Brassicaceae family in any detail yet) and as far as is thought at present, only

1 species to consider - which always comes as a relief! Of course we must always STEEL

ourselves for a future revision to recognise additional taxa.  Plus someone check that

there has not been a nomenclatural or taxonomic change as far as genus or family is

concerned....

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[gurinder goraya]

Dear Mr. Chadwell,

Thanks for the compliments. I sure will try to contribute more such images of high Himalayan plants. 

Regards,

Dr. G S Goraya, IFS

Deputy Director General (Research),

Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education,

New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006.

(Uttarakhand, India) 

Tel. (+91-941-802-5036)

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:260183] Re: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra

 

I enjoyed your images particularly the one showing the pods so well combined

with a distant view of the mountains.  Such 'habitat' shots are so informative - it

really is important to know and understand the conditions under which a plant grows,

rather than just its identity.  Such insights are often completely missing from pressed

specimens in herbaria (regardless of their quality) as accompanying field notes are so

often minimal to zero and even when detailed cannot match what a good photo imparts.

Field experience and knowledge is under-valued and something contributing members of

this group can contribute much valuable information towards by posting their images.

Do share more such images of a variety of species with us.  My compliments.

As to identity.  The broadly winged fruits appear quite distinctive (not that I have gone

into the Brassicaceae family in any detail yet) and as far as is thought at present, only

1 species to consider - which always comes as a relief! Of course we must always STEEL

ourselves for a future revision to recognise additional taxa.  Plus someone check that

there has not been a nomenclatural or taxonomic change as far as genus or family is

concerned....

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

Chris Chadwell www.shpa.org.uk Chris Chadwell - Freelance Lecturer, Botanist, Himalaya Specialist, Travel and Plant Photographer, Freelance photo-journalist

[manoj chandran]

Dear all,

I am posting my collection of Megacarpaea from 4200m altitude in Pithoragarh district of Uttarakhand. Looks different from other posts. It is locally called Rugee and is eaten as a vegetable by persons who go to collect cordyceps.

Regards...
Manoj Chandran

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:17:05 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Manoj ji

On 8 Jan 2017 9:57 p.m., "manoj chandran" <mach...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

I am posting my collection of Megacarpaea from 4200m altitude in Pithoragarh district of Uttarakhand. Looks different from other posts. It is locally called Rugee and is eaten as a vegetable by persons who go to collect cordyceps.

Regards...
Manoj Chandran
On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:17:05 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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Date: 18 December 2016 at 12:45
Subject: Re: Fwd: Megacarpaea polyandra
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yes - again!    See attached.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[C CHADWELL]

I was interested to learn of the use of Megacarpaea in the Pthoragarh district.

I first got to know about Cordyceps when working as a consultant to The Royal Government

of Bhutan.  Prior to my visit I was sent a partial list of PLANT species utilised in Bhutanese

Medicine which included Cordyceps.   I had never heard of this and could not find it is any

reference books on FLOWERING PLANTS - with very good reason I subsequently discovered

because, of course, it is not!!

Thanks for sending the image (which is a very good one) but single images are often difficult to

work with when comparing with other postings.   PLEASE ensure on future occasions you photograph

close-up the flowers (front and back), upper and lower/basal leaves (upper and lower surfaces), habit

and habitat.

In what ways do you consider the specimen you photographed to be different?

The flowers in your specimen are most in bud which makes it hard to match them and of course

the most distinctive feature of Megacarpaea is the fruits.

I have never seen the plant in the wild.

Only one species of this genus has been recorded from the Himalaya to-date.   Were you thinking

your specimen might belong to a different species to M.polyandra or not belong to the Megacarpaea

genus at all?

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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