My name is Carlos and im the chief librarian at the Sao Paulo State Archives (Brazil). Using Atom sience first release. Great stuff and staff.
Using now version 2.4.1 and found something odd.
By disabling automatic insertion of producers as name (subject), all non-producers and non-subject names were excluded from main isad form, ending up hidden in the sidebar at the right.
Was this an option or we have a bug? Looks like a bug to me because, on the contrary, dates for all actors-resources relationship are, as expected, included in dates field with its proper qualifiers.
If it is a bug, my suggestion is the following:
1) automatically insert all names at access point in isad form, with its proper qualifiers, as it was before. Remove only the auto-generaton of subjects for producers, as done recently. By removing this feature, it seems that something more was lost.
2) insert all names (but producers and repositories) in the names box-filter. Otherwise all non-producers, non-repositories and non-subject names, i.e., all names involved in other actors-resources relationship, would remanin invisible in filters option as well.
Best wishes!
From Brazil,
Carlos Henrique Menegozzo
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Hello Dan.
Thank you very much for
your answer. And I apologize for my english. Let me try to clarify the issue.
DAN: “I think that the feedback we got from our community about this (mainly, that there are many cases where the Creator is not the subject of the records being described, and this shouldn't be automatically added) was valid, and I don't think we'd want to change this back. ”
-- I totally support this modification. God bless you guys.
DAN: “However, I think we could potentially implement your suggestions without undoing the change in 2.4.1.”
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Exacltly. And it does not runs against ISAD. According to the rules “access
points are based upon the elements of description” (ISAD 1.14), and no standards are prescribed other than ISAAR-CPF for authority records. I may add
mentions of responsability other than accumulation/production/creation in many
fields of description. If the event is presented in the description, the name
and its proper qualifier are allowed as access points. If I am not mistaken, an earlier version of Atom worked that way (names implicated in Events endding up as
access points with qualifiers). Now I realize that this was a possible case
of a bug that a loved.
DAN: “I understand what you are suggesting with 1), but can you clarify what you mean by 2) please? Do you mean the names facet on the search/browse page?”
-- I think I do. I was talking about those drop boxes that appear on the left side while browsing archival records. One of them is “Names”. For names there are also “Archival institution” and “Creator”. All names are there? Seems to, but they are not. Subjects are, accumulators/producers/creators too. What about names implicated in Events other than these? My suggestion is to add them there, with the subject names all together.
In sum, my suggestions are:
1) First, add all names implicated in Events (other than accumulation/creation/production) as access point in ISAD description template. The rules allow it, since the Event information is presented in the body of the description (rule 1.14).
2) The second is a consequence of that: add every name (excepct accumulators/creators/producers) as a browse option in the "Names" drop box (wich in present version includes only names as subjects).
I have some other observations about “access point” and “keywords” in Atom that this discussion brings, but I you leave them for that other and specific thread you mentioned recently.
Regards,
Carlos
DAN: "This is interesting, because I believe you are describing behaviors that you can only see if you are using multiple edit templates for data entry - for example, creating data using the RAD template (so you can add other actor relations, such as manufacturer, broadcaster, etc), but then changing the template to ISAD for display. Is this correct?"
-- Yes and no. This result can be achived either by RAD CSV import, later converted into ISAD ; or by adding an actor-resource relationship to a ISAD description via user interface. Until auto-generation of subject names for creator was disabled in 2.4.1, these relations were ending up as access points in ISAD descriptions. I thought it was a fature designed inentionally,because it is consistent with ISAD rules. Now i realize that maybe that was the bug. It vanished when the auto-generation of subject names for creator was disabled.
If that was a bug unintentionally corrected, then here is a third suggestion. ISAD csv template for information object could support events, like RAD template. But the its display in ISAD description template would be restricted to access points area. This possibility would be perfect, specially for professionals that, like me, work rigth on the frontiers between archives and libraries.
Regards,
Carlos
1-- Via RAD CSV import with later conversion to ISAD;
2-- Manually via user interface;
3-- via Event CSV import combined with ISAD CSV template.
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One last clarification. Seems to me that one aspect can be done in a rather simple way.
By "qualification" i dont mean anything but the event itself. For exemple: Oxford University Press (Publication), General Motors (Manufecturing) etc. That is something that **Atom was already doing in earlier versions**.
For me, Event csv import combined with ISAD csv import will be fine. The core issue: just reestablish behavior of access points in isad descption **as it was in earlier versions, except the auto-subject for creators**. Although not elegant, this feature would do the trick.
Great team you guys have there!
Cheers,
Carlos
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