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Vinyasi

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May 10, 2019, 7:00:38 PM5/10/19
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I've done three years of simulating a project I have in mind, but since I have no soldering skills, and not much cash, I spent all I could to get the bare minimum of stuff to practice soldering skills.

I used to give my research away for free, but inspired enough people to have my stuff removed. So, for now on, I charge a modest fee for anyone who cares to learn what I am studying self-published on Amazon under my name.

Essentially, it involves taking advantage of a shorted motor.

Roger S

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May 10, 2019, 7:13:14 PM5/10/19
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I don't understand.

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Vinyasi

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May 10, 2019, 7:34:30 PM5/10/19
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Well, I found a fab lab close by.

I studied the Joseph Newman device by simulating its descriptive analysis given by Dr. Hastings in chapter six of Newman's book. I discovered that Newman left out an important secret of his claim for overunity was a canister of helium wrapped with an open ended coil replaces Newman's claim that he used a permanent magnet rotating in the center of his massive coil. This is why anyone attempting to replicate the Newman device achieves rotation of their motor, but without ever achieving overunity. My simulation supports the use of helium and its theorized result of a slight current traveling back to recharge the battery pack. It is impossible for the mere rotations, alone, of a permanent magnet to give sufficient frequency of a rotating sine wave to achieve overunity regardless of the additional fact that this second voltage source is a very low voltage of around a few micro volts. Yet, the frequency must be up around a minimum of 100k Hz to be effective as a potential energy source.

Upon further examination, by way of simplifying the simulated schematic, I discovered that a short exists between both sides of the main motor coils and the starter coils since the starter coils are not self-looped, but are connected to the motor's main coil.

There are other modifications. But, all in all, a relatively simple-to-implement retrofit of standard A/C induction motors. I used a motor removed from an ice cream churning kitchen appliance to model my enhanced simulations.

The Newman simulations were performed in LTSpice while the enhancements were done in Micro-Cap.

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 4:13:14 PM UTC-7, Skaterdude wrote:
I don't understand.

On Fri, May 10, 2019, 7:00 PM Vinyasi <viny...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've done three years of simulating a project I have in mind, but since I have no soldering skills, and not much cash, I spent all I could to get the bare minimum of stuff to practice soldering skills.

I used to give my research away for free, but inspired enough people to have my stuff removed. So, for now on, I charge a modest fee for anyone who cares to learn what I am studying self-published on Amazon under my name.

Essentially, it involves taking advantage of a shorted motor.

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R Burns

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May 10, 2019, 7:53:22 PM5/10/19
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So you’re looking to sell your research on a perpetual motion device?

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Nathaniel Bezanson

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May 10, 2019, 8:10:17 PM5/10/19
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Scams are off-topic here and scammers are not welcome to take advantage of i3's internet presence in any form.

I had a hunch about this one from the first message but decided to give it the benefit of the doubt. Sorry about that, everyone.

-Nate B-

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-4, Robert A. Burns wrote:
So you’re looking to sell your research on a perpetual motion device?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 10, 2019, at 7:34 PM, Vinyasi <viny...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I found a fab lab close by.

I studied the Joseph Newman device by simulating its descriptive analysis given by Dr. Hastings in chapter six of Newman's book. I discovered that Newman left out an important secret of his claim for overunity was a canister of helium wrapped with an open ended coil replaces Newman's claim that he used a permanent magnet rotating in the center of his massive coil. This is why anyone attempting to replicate the Newman device achieves rotation of their motor, but without ever achieving overunity. My simulation supports the use of helium and its theorized result of a slight current traveling back to recharge the battery pack. It is impossible for the mere rotations, alone, of a permanent magnet to give sufficient frequency of a rotating sine wave to achieve overunity regardless of the additional fact that this second voltage source is a very low voltage of around a few micro volts. Yet, the frequency must be up around a minimum of 100k Hz to be effective as a potential energy source.

Upon further examination, by way of simplifying the simulated schematic, I discovered that a short exists between both sides of the main motor coils and the starter coils since the starter coils are not self-looped, but are connected to the motor's main coil.

There are other modifications. But, all in all, a relatively simple-to-implement retrofit of standard A/C induction motors. I used a motor removed from an ice cream churning kitchen appliance to model my enhanced simulations.

The Newman simulations were performed in LTSpice while the enhancements were done in Micro-Cap.

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 4:13:14 PM UTC-7, Skaterdude wrote:
I don't understand.

On Fri, May 10, 2019, 7:00 PM Vinyasi <viny...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've done three years of simulating a project I have in mind, but since I have no soldering skills, and not much cash, I spent all I could to get the bare minimum of stuff to practice soldering skills.

I used to give my research away for free, but inspired enough people to have my stuff removed. So, for now on, I charge a modest fee for anyone who cares to learn what I am studying self-published on Amazon under my name.

Essentially, it involves taking advantage of a shorted motor.

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Andrew Arnold

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May 12, 2019, 3:27:21 PM5/12/19
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Didn't there used to be a sign at I3 that said things like "No, we
don't want those CRT monitors" and "Don't talk to us about your
perpetual motion device"?
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Eric Orszag

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May 12, 2019, 3:32:57 PM5/12/19
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Might it be more effective to say failing prepetual motion devices will be "sacrificed to the Gods of science"

I like kinetic methods of sacrifice personally :)

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R. Burns

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May 12, 2019, 3:33:52 PM5/12/19
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Wait, so this is a thing? 😂 People emailing i3 about “free-energy” and perpetual motion devices?

Raiford, Jody

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May 12, 2019, 3:45:45 PM5/12/19
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People trying to get other people to make whatever they've dreamed up, from perpetual motion/free energy to whatever hot app that will make us all  millionaires if we'd just make and market it for them.

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Nathaniel Bezanson

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May 12, 2019, 4:12:43 PM5/12/19
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On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 3:27:21 PM UTC-4, Andrew Arnold wrote:
Didn't there used to be a sign at I3 that said things like "No, we
don't want those CRT monitors" and "Don't talk to us about your
perpetual motion device"?


Someone else remembered that! Yes, there was!


Of course perpetual motion kooks don't usually self-identify as perpetual motion kooks, leading to the precious off-list email I got friday night. If nothing else, they're a perpetual reminder that emotions are always capable of pushing logic aside.


On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 3:33:52 PM UTC-4, Robert A. Burns wrote:
Wait, so this is a thing? 😂 People emailing i3 about “free-energy” and perpetual motion devices?


Oh, yeah. Several over the years, but one sticks in my mind like it was yesterday:

I think it was back in 2011 or '12 that a guy dropped in on a Friday night and asked if we had "anyone here who knows a lot about Magnets". I swear he pronounced it capitalized -- there was this special significance he assigned to the word that that immediately signaled what he was about, but Ted had answered the door and was talking with him, so I just listened from the next room and let the setting unfold.

Ted figured out pretty quickly that this middle-aged gentleman wanted to build the classic motor-generator perpetual motion machine, and promptly told him that wouldn't work, and explained why. But of course the guy had heard all that before, many times, and had inoculated himself against seeing the flaws in his logic. After all, the emotional need to believe in one's own ideas despite external dissuasion is a powerful and important part of our history. It just tends to work better when it's right...

They went a few rounds, long enough for an observer to infer exactly where the conceptual disconnect lay. He had missed the little detail that to get more electrical energy out of a generator, you have to put more mechanical energy in.

So I asked him to join me in the electronics lab, and pulled some motors off the shelf. One was out of a power drill and still had the gearbox attached, so it was easy to hand-spin to reasonable RPMs.

Piece by piece, we hooked a motor to a meter, and spun it to act as a generator, and watched the meter needle move. Cool, yeah, that validates part of his theory! Then we hooked the generator to another motor, so twisting the first would make the second spin. I think this might've been the first time the guy had actually seen this linkage work directly, and he was really getting excited now. Finally, so close to the concept that he'd been sitting on for years -- his ticket out of his lot in life -- the pieces at long last coming together!

Then I had him spin the generator while I pinched the motor shaft, putting just the faintest bit of load on it. The generator immediately became nearly impossible to turn. Un-pinch, spin spin. Pinch, grinds to a halt. I think we did this 3 or 4 times as a puzzled look came across his face, then a little point-and-think-with-gestures, then he just sat there in silence. 

Teachers sometimes talk about the "a-ha!" moment, when the pieces come together, a student finally gets it, and how magical that is. I agree, it's great when someone learns it in school, before constructing decades of dreams on a flawed foundation. I got to watch the proverbial lightbulb pop on over this fellow's head, accompanied by the shattering of half a lifetime's hope and conviction.

"Oh. Okay.... thanks. I guess I'll go now."

Better late than never?

-Nate B-

Aaron Dubin

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May 12, 2019, 7:40:52 PM5/12/19
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They've largely moved on to Kickstarter lately, haven't they?
It's quite amusing to see just how many "ideas people" pop up on there just looking for funding so they can hire an engineer to make their "non working" prototype work.
It's actually kind of interesting to see attempts to reframe them so they don't look like over unity devices, like the "energy efficient heater" analyzed below. The number of times I've seen similar themes in a short span of time is rather remarkable...

To quote Homer Simpson - "In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!'

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James Folden

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May 13, 2019, 1:02:37 PM5/13/19
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Personally i think your all bit obtuse, there is a such as free energy. I have been working on gyroscope motor and I am sure that if you add magnets you will find that it = closed loop energy that you can even heat your house with. 


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Raiford, Jody

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May 13, 2019, 1:59:23 PM5/13/19
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That music is just priceless in context.

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Randal Bradakis

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May 13, 2019, 3:24:19 PM5/13/19
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To be pedantic, that should read "You're all a bit obtuse"" - and I'm being pedantic as a point. Math and Physics are far more "pedantic", and make it clear that inside of our physical universe, they don't work that way.

You'll note that none of those videos or projects have made a Free Energy Billionaire out of the "designer" - and that's because none of them work.


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Garry Stahl

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May 13, 2019, 4:19:06 PM5/13/19
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On 5/13/19 1:22 PM, Randal Bradakis wrote:
> To be pedantic, that should read "You're all a bit obtuse"" - and I'm
> being pedantic as a point. Math and Physics are far more "pedantic",
> and make it clear that inside of our physical universe, they don't
> work that way.
>
> You'll note that none of those videos or projects have made a Free
> Energy Billionaire out of the "designer" - and that's because none of
> them work.

Dang it all.  I'm never getting funding for my Buttered Cat Array,


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Nathaniel Bezanson

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May 13, 2019, 5:42:08 PM5/13/19
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There are plenty of free-energy billionaires. I'll name Aloys Wobben, Xiao Peng, Frank Asbeck, Shi Zhengrong, Zhu Gongshan...

Not a buttered-cat mogul among 'em, sad to say.

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