What Changed?
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Geo
May 18, 2012, 12:39:45 PM5/18/12
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This is topic is primarily for Steve Berube. If anyone else would like to
participate, please wait until later.
Steve, hopefully we can both be cordial enough at this point to carry on a
reasonable dialog in public. To prove the point, I would like you to start
this discussion by asking me any question that you believe is fair and
reasonable. I will do my best to respond in kind.
participate, please wait until later.
Steve, hopefully we can both be cordial enough at this point to carry on a
reasonable dialog in public. To prove the point, I would like you to start
this discussion by asking me any question that you believe is fair and
reasonable. I will do my best to respond in kind.
spberube
May 18, 2012, 12:49:38 PM5/18/12
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Sorry, won't do it....You are using your deflecting tactics once again to try to move away from the original topic which is:
If Geo won't run for the CDD, he should cease & desist all negative activities on his blog. In other words, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
There's a bit of poetic license taken wuth the above, but the overall theme is correct.
That's the theme that has generated interest over the last few days, and I think it's valid. But, Geo really doesn't like it and wants to move away. Nope.
If Geo won't run for the CDD, he should cease & desist all negative activities on his blog. In other words, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
There's a bit of poetic license taken wuth the above, but the overall theme is correct.
That's the theme that has generated interest over the last few days, and I think it's valid. But, Geo really doesn't like it and wants to move away. Nope.
Geo
May 18, 2012, 10:39:49 PM5/18/12
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So you have no questions for me Steve. You even refuse to discuss anything
with me in a reasonable fashion like an adult, like a man. All you can do is
lecture me about how I need to be silent about what goes on here in Harmony.
Well I have a question for you Steve. What kind of a person are you?
My wife and I were at the developer's "luau" tonight. We were both invited.
My wife even registered on the developer's website informing them that we
were coming at least a week in advance.
I was happy to see you there since I wanted to talk to you face-to-face and
try to better understand why your demeanor toward me has changed to
drastically in this forum recently. So I approached you. You seemed to be
having a nice conversation with David Leeman. So I asked if you could talk
to me for a minute or so when you were done. You said that you would and I
pointed out where on the grass my wife and I would be sitting among
neighbors.
Yet you never came to visit us Steve. You never even bothered to say hello
to me or my wife.
Later we noticed from a distance that you and David Leeman both seemed to be
having a warm and friendly conversation with Shad Tome, Brock Nicholas and
Greg Golgowski (see "Harmony Cast of Characters",
http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k ). That conversation lasted for awhile before my
wife approached all of you and started asking why Shad Tome or Brock
Nicholas called the police to have me removed from Lakeshore Park (or have
me arrested).
Before she got up my wife asked me which one is Steve Berube. I pointed to
you. My wife knows Greg best so she spoke to him first. She asked Greg which
one is Shad Tome. She is sure that you and Shad and Brock all saw and heard
that she was quite distressed and wanted to talk.
So what did you do Steve? Did you say hello and ask my wife what was the
matter? Did you ask her how you could be of assistance? Did you offer any
words of comfort to a fellow resident in need?
No. You simply turned your back and walked away without saying a word.
That's exactly what Shad Tome did also. That's what Brock Nicholas did as
well.
My wife was left alone talking to Greg.
Shortly thereafter the police arrived and escorted me away from Harmony's
Lakeshore Park which until tonight we had no idea is actually owned by
Starwood / Harmony Development Company. This apparently means that the
developer can use Osceola Sheriff's Deputies at any time to strong-arm any
Harmony resident out of Lakeshore Park for any reason or for no reason
whatever. This fact was confirmed by both deputies tonight.
These brave souls invited my family to a community luau (my son arrived
later) only to have Osceola Sheriffs Deputies threaten to take me to jail in
front of my wife and my son.
Shame on you and your developer friends. How could they do such a thing to a
fellow resident in front of his family while you just stood there, watched
and did nothing?
What kind of a person are you Steve?
You have lost all credibility in the eyes of my entire family.
with me in a reasonable fashion like an adult, like a man. All you can do is
lecture me about how I need to be silent about what goes on here in Harmony.
Well I have a question for you Steve. What kind of a person are you?
My wife and I were at the developer's "luau" tonight. We were both invited.
My wife even registered on the developer's website informing them that we
were coming at least a week in advance.
I was happy to see you there since I wanted to talk to you face-to-face and
try to better understand why your demeanor toward me has changed to
drastically in this forum recently. So I approached you. You seemed to be
having a nice conversation with David Leeman. So I asked if you could talk
to me for a minute or so when you were done. You said that you would and I
pointed out where on the grass my wife and I would be sitting among
neighbors.
Yet you never came to visit us Steve. You never even bothered to say hello
to me or my wife.
Later we noticed from a distance that you and David Leeman both seemed to be
having a warm and friendly conversation with Shad Tome, Brock Nicholas and
Greg Golgowski (see "Harmony Cast of Characters",
http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k ). That conversation lasted for awhile before my
wife approached all of you and started asking why Shad Tome or Brock
Nicholas called the police to have me removed from Lakeshore Park (or have
me arrested).
Before she got up my wife asked me which one is Steve Berube. I pointed to
you. My wife knows Greg best so she spoke to him first. She asked Greg which
one is Shad Tome. She is sure that you and Shad and Brock all saw and heard
that she was quite distressed and wanted to talk.
So what did you do Steve? Did you say hello and ask my wife what was the
matter? Did you ask her how you could be of assistance? Did you offer any
words of comfort to a fellow resident in need?
No. You simply turned your back and walked away without saying a word.
That's exactly what Shad Tome did also. That's what Brock Nicholas did as
well.
My wife was left alone talking to Greg.
Shortly thereafter the police arrived and escorted me away from Harmony's
Lakeshore Park which until tonight we had no idea is actually owned by
Starwood / Harmony Development Company. This apparently means that the
developer can use Osceola Sheriff's Deputies at any time to strong-arm any
Harmony resident out of Lakeshore Park for any reason or for no reason
whatever. This fact was confirmed by both deputies tonight.
These brave souls invited my family to a community luau (my son arrived
later) only to have Osceola Sheriffs Deputies threaten to take me to jail in
front of my wife and my son.
Shame on you and your developer friends. How could they do such a thing to a
fellow resident in front of his family while you just stood there, watched
and did nothing?
What kind of a person are you Steve?
You have lost all credibility in the eyes of my entire family.
spberube
May 19, 2012, 8:15:19 AM5/19/12
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Once again you've got it wrong--ALL WRONG....See "insets" below for my responses...
-----Original Message-----
>From: Geo <IIDIMG...@spammotel.com>
>Sent: May 18, 2012 10:39 PM
>To: harm...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: What Changed?
>
>So you have no questions for me Steve. You even refuse to discuss anything
>with me in a reasonable fashion like an adult, like a man. All you can do is
>lecture me about how I need to be silent about what goes on here in Harmony.
"I have plenty of questions for you Geo, but that's not the topic of this thread.
It was you,Geo,who brought up the CDD Election and I insisted that you should run so
you could make the changes you so desire or quit complaining. You chose to use deflecting
tactics to avoid running or shutting up."
say that you have told me that the developer no longer sends you emails. If
that is so, how were you "invited"? By US Mail,perhaps? "
out that a few monutes previous, you made eye contact with me as you walked by but
turned your head in the other direction to ignore me."
You seemed to be having a nice conversation with David Leeman. "Yes indeed-which
you rudely interrupted with your request to speak to me."
I might have been having? And furthermore, why do you think that you have control
of MY TIME?"
while I was talking to that group.Later, I noticed her talking to Greg (alone)
and I simply wandered over as I wanted to talk to Greg but the topic of
made no sense to me as I had clearly missed the beginning of it."
her talking to anyone was at Greg's side--and she seemed to be making her point
just fine."
though she looked at me, she never achknowledged me. In fact, until the
deputies arrived, I wasn't even sure who she was."
I just walked up to?"
>
>My wife was left alone talking to Greg. "Yes indeed--and remember, this is
the first time I saw her talking to anyone--meaning Greg, alone."
of property ownership here better than you. And you knew full well that said
area is developer-owned. You also know the rules about no alcohol on CDD land-
and there was alcohol being served. As there's only developer land and CDD land,
who did you think owned that land?"
they can--especially after they've been served with a cease-and-desist/no trespass
letter as you have been. Such service having been memorialized right here,by you,with
color pictures."
BEFORE the deputies were called. You apparently chose not to do so instead
preferring to argue your case with those deputies. End result--you were escorted
out."
you unless absolutely necessary. And, watching your antics-including taping the
conversation-in front of those deputies, I'd say you were lucky. Most people
would have been arrested about 1 minute into such a situation."
with other residents in Harmony is more important Geo....And, a number of folks
came up to me last night and complimented me on my actions. Not a single negative
word from ANYONE-except you. As expected."
"You can argue my facts any way you want, and I know you certainly will. As always,
there's REALITY and then there's Geo's story."
Steve
-----Original Message-----
>From: Geo <IIDIMG...@spammotel.com>
>Sent: May 18, 2012 10:39 PM
>To: harm...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: What Changed?
>
>So you have no questions for me Steve. You even refuse to discuss anything
>with me in a reasonable fashion like an adult, like a man. All you can do is
>lecture me about how I need to be silent about what goes on here in Harmony.
It was you,Geo,who brought up the CDD Election and I insisted that you should run so
you could make the changes you so desire or quit complaining. You chose to use deflecting
tactics to avoid running or shutting up."
>
>Well I have a question for you Steve. What kind of a person are you?
"I have no problem living in my skin."
>Well I have a question for you Steve. What kind of a person are you?
>
>My wife and I were at the developer's "luau" tonight. We were both invited.
>My wife even registered on the developer's website informing them that we
>were coming at least a week in advance. "I can't speak to that except to
>My wife and I were at the developer's "luau" tonight. We were both invited.
>My wife even registered on the developer's website informing them that we
say that you have told me that the developer no longer sends you emails. If
that is so, how were you "invited"? By US Mail,perhaps? "
>
>I was happy to see you there since I wanted to talk to you face-to-face and
>try to better understand why your demeanor toward me has changed to
>drastically in this forum recently. So I approached you. " You conveniently leave
>I was happy to see you there since I wanted to talk to you face-to-face and
>try to better understand why your demeanor toward me has changed to
out that a few monutes previous, you made eye contact with me as you walked by but
turned your head in the other direction to ignore me."
You seemed to be having a nice conversation with David Leeman. "Yes indeed-which
you rudely interrupted with your request to speak to me."
So I asked if you could talk>to me for a minute or so when you were done.
You said that you would and I pointed out where on the grass my wife and I
would be sitting among neighbors.
>
>Yet you never came to visit us Steve. You never even bothered to say hello
>to me or my wife. "How do you know that I was finished with any conversations
You said that you would and I pointed out where on the grass my wife and I
would be sitting among neighbors.
>
>Yet you never came to visit us Steve. You never even bothered to say hello
I might have been having? And furthermore, why do you think that you have control
of MY TIME?"
>
>Later we noticed from a distance that you and David Leeman both seemed to be
>having a warm and friendly conversation with Shad Tome, Brock Nicholas and
>Greg Golgowski (see "Harmony Cast of Characters",
>http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k ). That conversation lasted for awhile before my
>wife approached all of you and started asking why Shad Tome or Brock
>Nicholas called the police to have me removed from Lakeshore Park (or have
>me arrested). " Once again, you've got it wrong. Your wife never approached
>Later we noticed from a distance that you and David Leeman both seemed to be
>having a warm and friendly conversation with Shad Tome, Brock Nicholas and
>Greg Golgowski (see "Harmony Cast of Characters",
>http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k ). That conversation lasted for awhile before my
>wife approached all of you and started asking why Shad Tome or Brock
>Nicholas called the police to have me removed from Lakeshore Park (or have
while I was talking to that group.Later, I noticed her talking to Greg (alone)
and I simply wandered over as I wanted to talk to Greg but the topic of
made no sense to me as I had clearly missed the beginning of it."
>
>Before she got up my wife asked me which one is Steve Berube. I pointed to
>you. My wife knows Greg best so she spoke to him first. She asked Greg which
>one is Shad Tome. She is sure that you and Shad and Brock all saw and heard
>that she was quite distressed and wanted to talk. "Again, the only time I saw
>Before she got up my wife asked me which one is Steve Berube. I pointed to
>you. My wife knows Greg best so she spoke to him first. She asked Greg which
>one is Shad Tome. She is sure that you and Shad and Brock all saw and heard
her talking to anyone was at Greg's side--and she seemed to be making her point
just fine."
>
>So what did you do Steve? Did you say hello and ask my wife what was the
>matter? Did you ask her how you could be of assistance? Did you offer any
>words of comfort to a fellow resident in need? "She seemed just fine and
>So what did you do Steve? Did you say hello and ask my wife what was the
>matter? Did you ask her how you could be of assistance? Did you offer any
though she looked at me, she never achknowledged me. In fact, until the
deputies arrived, I wasn't even sure who she was."
>
>No. You simply turned your back and walked away without saying a word.
"What should I have done? Butt in to a conversation I wasn't a part of that
>No. You simply turned your back and walked away without saying a word.
I just walked up to?"
>
>That's exactly what Shad Tome did also. That's what Brock Nicholas did as
>well. " I can't speak for them."
>That's exactly what Shad Tome did also. That's what Brock Nicholas did as
>
>My wife was left alone talking to Greg. "Yes indeed--and remember, this is
the first time I saw her talking to anyone--meaning Greg, alone."
>
>Shortly thereafter the police arrived and escorted me away from Harmony's
>Lakeshore Park which until tonight we had no idea is actually owned by
>Starwood / Harmony Development Company.
" I will call BS on you there Geo; I'd bet that no one knows the intricacies
>Shortly thereafter the police arrived and escorted me away from Harmony's
>Lakeshore Park which until tonight we had no idea is actually owned by
>Starwood / Harmony Development Company.
of property ownership here better than you. And you knew full well that said
area is developer-owned. You also know the rules about no alcohol on CDD land-
and there was alcohol being served. As there's only developer land and CDD land,
who did you think owned that land?"
This apparently means that the developer can use Osceola Sheriff's Deputies
at any time to strong-arm any Harmony resident out of Lakeshore Park for any reason
or for no reason whatever. This fact was confirmed by both deputies tonight. " Yes
at any time to strong-arm any Harmony resident out of Lakeshore Park for any reason
they can--especially after they've been served with a cease-and-desist/no trespass
letter as you have been. Such service having been memorialized right here,by you,with
color pictures."
>
>These brave souls invited my family to a community luau (my son arrived
>later) only to have Osceola Sheriffs Deputies threaten to take me to jail in
>front of my wife and my son. " I was told that you were asked to leave politely
>These brave souls invited my family to a community luau (my son arrived
>later) only to have Osceola Sheriffs Deputies threaten to take me to jail in
BEFORE the deputies were called. You apparently chose not to do so instead
preferring to argue your case with those deputies. End result--you were escorted
out."
>
>Shame on you and your developer friends. How could they do such a thing to a
>fellow resident in front of his family while you just stood there, watched
>and did nothing? " You should also know that the deputies were told to NOT arrest
>Shame on you and your developer friends. How could they do such a thing to a
>fellow resident in front of his family while you just stood there, watched
you unless absolutely necessary. And, watching your antics-including taping the
conversation-in front of those deputies, I'd say you were lucky. Most people
would have been arrested about 1 minute into such a situation."
>
>What kind of a person are you Steve?
>
>You have lost all credibility in the eyes of my entire family. " my credibility
>What kind of a person are you Steve?
>
with other residents in Harmony is more important Geo....And, a number of folks
came up to me last night and complimented me on my actions. Not a single negative
word from ANYONE-except you. As expected."
"You can argue my facts any way you want, and I know you certainly will. As always,
there's REALITY and then there's Geo's story."
Steve
Dave Leeman
May 19, 2012, 10:45:35 AM5/19/12
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Mr Schiro writes,
"Later we noticed from a distance that you and David Leeman both
seemed to be having a warm and friendly conversation with Shad Tome,
Brock Nicholas and Greg Golgowski (see "Harmony Cast of Characters",
http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k ). That conversation lasted for awhile
before my wife approached all of you and started asking why Shad Tome
or Brock Nicholas called the police"
First, let me say that I never refused to speak to or assist Mrs
Schiro at the luau. I had several conversations with the people named
by Mr Schiro, and yes they were warm and friendly. That's because,
unlike Mr Schiro, I have not accused those people of oppressing the
residents of Harmony and treating them like serfs.
That said, to my knowledge Mrs Schiro at no time approached me or any
group I might have been a part of. Nor did she at any time speak to
me or attempt to interact with me in any way.
I don't know whether Mrs Schiro was shunned by the people named by Mr
Schiro, but Mr Schiro's attempt to tar me with the same brush is an
outright falsehood.
Mr Schiro owes me an apology.
> >http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k). That conversation lasted for awhile before my
"Later we noticed from a distance that you and David Leeman both
seemed to be having a warm and friendly conversation with Shad Tome,
Brock Nicholas and Greg Golgowski (see "Harmony Cast of Characters",
http://tinyurl.com/7d2px3k ). That conversation lasted for awhile
before my wife approached all of you and started asking why Shad Tome
or Brock Nicholas called the police"
Schiro at the luau. I had several conversations with the people named
by Mr Schiro, and yes they were warm and friendly. That's because,
unlike Mr Schiro, I have not accused those people of oppressing the
residents of Harmony and treating them like serfs.
That said, to my knowledge Mrs Schiro at no time approached me or any
group I might have been a part of. Nor did she at any time speak to
me or attempt to interact with me in any way.
I don't know whether Mrs Schiro was shunned by the people named by Mr
Schiro, but Mr Schiro's attempt to tar me with the same brush is an
outright falsehood.
Mr Schiro owes me an apology.
Geo
May 19, 2012, 12:29:18 PM5/19/12
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I agree.
I failed to make it clear that while you were initially in the group with
Steve and the others (ie. a group of five, including you), by the time my
wife got there you had left and it became a group of 4 (not including my
wife).
I apologize for not making that clear earlier Dave.
I failed to make it clear that while you were initially in the group with
Steve and the others (ie. a group of five, including you), by the time my
wife got there you had left and it became a group of 4 (not including my
wife).
I apologize for not making that clear earlier Dave.
spberube
May 19, 2012, 12:47:17 PM5/19/12
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I also want to clarify that Mrs.Schiro NEVER approached any group I might have been standing with. The only person I saw her talking to was Mr.Golgowski ( by himself ) and at that time, I was not aware of her identity. Further, I never joined in that conversation.
spberube
May 19, 2012, 12:51:02 PM5/19/12
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Dave--
If it were you that had been escorted away last night, would you have moved on quietly with your life or would you have posted a long diatribe about it on the Internet, complete with color pictures and quote boxes??
Just wondering...
Steve
If it were you that had been escorted away last night, would you have moved on quietly with your life or would you have posted a long diatribe about it on the Internet, complete with color pictures and quote boxes??
Just wondering...
Steve
Geo
May 19, 2012, 7:09:21 PM5/19/12
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Steve wrote:
Mrs.Schiro NEVER approached any group I might have been
standing with.
This part of Steve's testimony is false. I saw it with my own eyes and so
Mrs.Schiro NEVER approached any group I might have been
standing with.
did my wife.
My wife left the area where I was sitting and walked up to a group of 4
people talking:
Brock Nicholas
Greg Golgowski
Shad Tome
Steve Berube
Since my wife only knows Greg, she talked to him first. Greg said "Hi Nimi"
and took a step or two away from the other 3 to speak to her. Although my
wife and Greg were a few feet separated from the other 3, she believes that
Shad Tome, Brock Nicholas and Steve Berube heard her ask Greg "Who is Shad
Tome? I need to talk to him."
Greg then pointed at one of the two people who had just started walking
away. The third person (who I later confirmed was Steve Berube) stood alone
a few feet away. While talking to Greg for several minutes before the police
arrived on the scene, my wife knew that Steve was still there. Her
impression was that Steve was waiting for Greg. But she does not remember
seeing him there when the police did arrive. At that time Greg left also.
Steve wrote:
I never joined in that conversation.
I am now done with this. The facts will speak for themselves.
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Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: What Changed?
spberube
May 19, 2012, 7:49:38 PM5/19/12
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I hope you have your version on videotape because you have it wrong--as usual.
Geo
May 19, 2012, 8:25:21 PM5/19/12
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Sadly, the camera arrived at about the same time the police did. But you
should have hoped for a video record of your own version Steve since we are
two witnesses to your one.
Since there is clearly no trust between you pro-developer types and us
pro-resident types, I am sure that you will now step up your efforts on the
CDD and the HOA to video record those meetings for your own sake as well as
ours.
All for the sake of transparency and accountability, right Steve?
should have hoped for a video record of your own version Steve since we are
two witnesses to your one.
Since there is clearly no trust between you pro-developer types and us
pro-resident types, I am sure that you will now step up your efforts on the
CDD and the HOA to video record those meetings for your own sake as well as
ours.
All for the sake of transparency and accountability, right Steve?
spberube
May 19, 2012, 9:23:41 PM5/19/12
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I don't care if you've got 100 witnesses on your side you've got it wrong....( Might that include witnesses that Stacy is interviewing? )
As to stepping up my efforts: Nope, I won't change a thing.
If YOU want video recordings, YOU should run for the CDD just as I've been telling you to do. I'm ready to vote for you.
Then YOU can fight for all the transparency and accountability YOU want.
Oh yeah: Where are all your "pro-resident" types hiding? Postings on this blog have jumped way up this week--but, I haven't seen one person take your side. Not one. Nada. Zer. Zip. Zilch...I guess that means that you are the only pro-resident type out there.
Reading your posts is a lot like listening to the current President of the United States: Somewhere in there are a few facts and a bit less truth; but the majority of what's being said is just gobbledy-gook trying to convince the un-educated masses of falsehoods.
Here's a famous quote: "When you argue with an idiot, they only drag you down to their level....and beat you with experience!"
As to stepping up my efforts: Nope, I won't change a thing.
If YOU want video recordings, YOU should run for the CDD just as I've been telling you to do. I'm ready to vote for you.
Then YOU can fight for all the transparency and accountability YOU want.
Oh yeah: Where are all your "pro-resident" types hiding? Postings on this blog have jumped way up this week--but, I haven't seen one person take your side. Not one. Nada. Zer. Zip. Zilch...I guess that means that you are the only pro-resident type out there.
Reading your posts is a lot like listening to the current President of the United States: Somewhere in there are a few facts and a bit less truth; but the majority of what's being said is just gobbledy-gook trying to convince the un-educated masses of falsehoods.
Here's a famous quote: "When you argue with an idiot, they only drag you down to their level....and beat you with experience!"
Geo
May 19, 2012, 11:05:32 PM5/19/12
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Proverbs 14:7
Geo
Jul 8, 2012, 6:31:38 PM7/8/12
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It is way past time to finally close this topic: "What Changed?"
The title alludes to something that, sadly, was never actually touched upon
since Steve Berube much preferred to muddy the waters than engage in
reasonable public discourse.
I wrote:
This is topic is primarily for Steve Berube. If anyone
else would like to participate, please wait until
later.
Steve, hopefully we can both be cordial enough at this
point to carry on a reasonable dialog in public. To
prove the point, I would like you to start this
discussion by asking me any question that you believe
is fair and reasonable. I will do my best to respond in
kind.
I was completely rebuffed by Steve. He had no questions for me since he did
not want to be questioned by me in any way. Steve's repeated mantra has been
"PUT UP OR SHUT UP". Yet I have been "putting up" repeatedly with verifiable
facts about the corrupt nature of the Starwood / Harmony Development people
Steve has been fronting for lately.
Here's the question again that Steve refuses to answer:
Q) What changed?
Before providing the answer myself, readers should know that prior to a
specific point in time, prior to a very specific exchange in this forum,
Steve's attitude was completely different than it is now. The reader is free
to verify this simply by reviewing Steve's writings before and after the
date to be provided below. Prior to that time Steve at least appeared to be
somewhat middle-of-the-road with his expressed views. In fact, Steve mostly
stuck to the facts and left the opinions to others. Steve had me fooled for
years. Then it all changed.
I wrote one thing that really set Steve off. It finally triggered the full
display of his true colors and also subsequently lead him to showing all of
us his extreme developer bias.
To be honest, I have always had a niggling doubt about Steve. I knew that he
was appointed by Bob Evans to the only two boards in Harmony (unlike any
other Harmony resident). Naturally anyone would wonder why Bob Evans would
do that (see "Lochmere Development Group" http://tinyurl.com/7qmjsn5 ).
During one particular CDD meeting a few years back I experienced the usual
dismissive behavior on the part of Bob Evans as well as abusive behavior on
the part of Shad Tome. Yet even after noticing that Steve made not the
slightest effort to come to the aid of a fellow resident or to support me in
any way, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt. In fact, Steve was even
complicit in the falsification of the public record that occurred after that
meeting (see "Harmony Revisionism" http://tinyurl.com/29pu945 ). Yet still I
did not hold that against him.
Then Steve proffered the sole resident vote in support of keeping Bob Evans
on as chairman of the Harmony CDD (see "Harmony CDD Chairman Election
Farce", http://tinyurl.com/2a2pr63 ). Even after all that, I still gave
Steve the benefit of the doubt. I stupidly thought that he could somehow
remain impartial and unbiased in his representation of me, my family and
other Harmony residents on the two boards in Harmony.
But enough is enough.
What follows is what I believe triggered Steve's subsequent wrath and also
what motivated him to finally "come out" in public (see "Request for Fred
Hawkins - 2011-11-25", http://tinyurl.com/6mhuey7 ). The date of Steve's
sudden change was 11/28/2011.
George wrote:
These folks voted against changing
the schedule to evenings only:
Bob Evans
Mark LeMenager
Steve Berube
Kerul Kassel
Only one person voted in favor of all evening meetings:
Ray Walls
Steve responded:
Steve DID NOT vote against evening meetings for
residents ...
George, you can twist this around trying to make it say
what you want it to
George responded:
I am not the one twisting here Steve.
What I posted is 100% accurate.
Anyone can easily verify that Steve was lying when he suggested that I was
attempting to "twist" the truth. Note that the key words above were
"evenings only".
FYI, Steve frequently uses the words "twist" or "twisting" whenever he
really means to suggest that someone else is the one doing the lying.
The truth is in the public record of the CDD meeting in question (see
attachment). Once again Steve Berube, like Kerul Kassel (see "Full
Disclosure", http://tinyurl.com/7gvcu3j ), voted against the interests of
Harmony residents and in favor of Bob Evans / Starwood / Harmony Development
Company.
That exchange is when Steve's attitude changed.
Steve simply could not take being called-out in public. Is that so unusual
for a public official in Osceola County? Apparently not.
Consider how County Commissioner Fred Hawkins reacted when I recently
questioned him about his unwillingness to witness the truth about School
Board Member Cindy Hartig's official lies (see "Request for Fred Hawkins -
2012-06-22", http://tinyurl.com/78dyut6 ). In a knee-jerk reaction he
immediately threatened me with his attorneys. This is very similar to how
one of Commissioner Hawkins' chief political supporters reacted after its
corrupt behavior was uncovered recently (see "The Empire Strikes Back",
http://tinyurl.com/dx4pl4b ).
Cindy Hartig is the tragic character well known in Osceola County to be
personally responsible for most of the problems on the Osceola School Board
over the past few years (see "Today's Orlando Sentinel Editorial / Osceola
School Board - Cindy Hartig" http://tinyurl.com/6mq335x ). If someone in
Commissioner Hawkins' position had been willing to speak the truth then, Ms.
Hartig may have resigned as school board chairperson a year before she
finally did. She may even have resigned from the school board altogether and
the latest disruption of school district leadership may have been avoided.
In this case, we can thank Fred Hawkins for personally doing the wrong thing
at the wrong time. Would someone else have had the strength of character to
do the right thing instead? Well yes actually. A well established member of
the press in our area finally did what Fred Hawkins refused to do. Thanks to
our founding fathers for a free press which has helped to expose public
corruption for more than 2 centuries now.
So no, Steve Berube's innate reaction to being called-out in public was to
instinctively lash out at the questioner, similar to what Starwood / Harmony
Development Company has done and just like Fred Hawkins did.
But shouldn't we expect more from the people we elect to represent us? I
think we should, if we ever hope to elevate ourselves above the mediocrity
and malaise that is Harmony and the surrounding Osceola County.
If we want a quality place to live, we had better start electing quality
people to represent us.
Of course Steve is entitled to non-respond in his usual way. Other than that
(plus anything that I might add), this topic is now closed.
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From: harm...@googlegroups.com [mailto:harm...@googlegroups.com]On
Behalf Of spberube
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:50 PM
To: harm...@googlegroups.com
The title alludes to something that, sadly, was never actually touched upon
since Steve Berube much preferred to muddy the waters than engage in
reasonable public discourse.
I wrote:
This is topic is primarily for Steve Berube. If anyone
else would like to participate, please wait until
later.
Steve, hopefully we can both be cordial enough at this
point to carry on a reasonable dialog in public. To
prove the point, I would like you to start this
discussion by asking me any question that you believe
is fair and reasonable. I will do my best to respond in
kind.
not want to be questioned by me in any way. Steve's repeated mantra has been
"PUT UP OR SHUT UP". Yet I have been "putting up" repeatedly with verifiable
facts about the corrupt nature of the Starwood / Harmony Development people
Steve has been fronting for lately.
Here's the question again that Steve refuses to answer:
Q) What changed?
Before providing the answer myself, readers should know that prior to a
specific point in time, prior to a very specific exchange in this forum,
Steve's attitude was completely different than it is now. The reader is free
to verify this simply by reviewing Steve's writings before and after the
date to be provided below. Prior to that time Steve at least appeared to be
somewhat middle-of-the-road with his expressed views. In fact, Steve mostly
stuck to the facts and left the opinions to others. Steve had me fooled for
years. Then it all changed.
I wrote one thing that really set Steve off. It finally triggered the full
display of his true colors and also subsequently lead him to showing all of
us his extreme developer bias.
To be honest, I have always had a niggling doubt about Steve. I knew that he
was appointed by Bob Evans to the only two boards in Harmony (unlike any
other Harmony resident). Naturally anyone would wonder why Bob Evans would
do that (see "Lochmere Development Group" http://tinyurl.com/7qmjsn5 ).
During one particular CDD meeting a few years back I experienced the usual
dismissive behavior on the part of Bob Evans as well as abusive behavior on
the part of Shad Tome. Yet even after noticing that Steve made not the
slightest effort to come to the aid of a fellow resident or to support me in
any way, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt. In fact, Steve was even
complicit in the falsification of the public record that occurred after that
meeting (see "Harmony Revisionism" http://tinyurl.com/29pu945 ). Yet still I
did not hold that against him.
Then Steve proffered the sole resident vote in support of keeping Bob Evans
on as chairman of the Harmony CDD (see "Harmony CDD Chairman Election
Farce", http://tinyurl.com/2a2pr63 ). Even after all that, I still gave
Steve the benefit of the doubt. I stupidly thought that he could somehow
remain impartial and unbiased in his representation of me, my family and
other Harmony residents on the two boards in Harmony.
But enough is enough.
What follows is what I believe triggered Steve's subsequent wrath and also
what motivated him to finally "come out" in public (see "Request for Fred
Hawkins - 2011-11-25", http://tinyurl.com/6mhuey7 ). The date of Steve's
sudden change was 11/28/2011.
George wrote:
These folks voted against changing
the schedule to evenings only:
Bob Evans
Mark LeMenager
Steve Berube
Kerul Kassel
Only one person voted in favor of all evening meetings:
Ray Walls
Steve responded:
Steve DID NOT vote against evening meetings for
residents ...
George, you can twist this around trying to make it say
what you want it to
George responded:
I am not the one twisting here Steve.
What I posted is 100% accurate.
Anyone can easily verify that Steve was lying when he suggested that I was
attempting to "twist" the truth. Note that the key words above were
"evenings only".
FYI, Steve frequently uses the words "twist" or "twisting" whenever he
really means to suggest that someone else is the one doing the lying.
The truth is in the public record of the CDD meeting in question (see
attachment). Once again Steve Berube, like Kerul Kassel (see "Full
Disclosure", http://tinyurl.com/7gvcu3j ), voted against the interests of
Harmony residents and in favor of Bob Evans / Starwood / Harmony Development
Company.
That exchange is when Steve's attitude changed.
Steve simply could not take being called-out in public. Is that so unusual
for a public official in Osceola County? Apparently not.
Consider how County Commissioner Fred Hawkins reacted when I recently
questioned him about his unwillingness to witness the truth about School
Board Member Cindy Hartig's official lies (see "Request for Fred Hawkins -
2012-06-22", http://tinyurl.com/78dyut6 ). In a knee-jerk reaction he
immediately threatened me with his attorneys. This is very similar to how
one of Commissioner Hawkins' chief political supporters reacted after its
corrupt behavior was uncovered recently (see "The Empire Strikes Back",
http://tinyurl.com/dx4pl4b ).
Cindy Hartig is the tragic character well known in Osceola County to be
personally responsible for most of the problems on the Osceola School Board
over the past few years (see "Today's Orlando Sentinel Editorial / Osceola
School Board - Cindy Hartig" http://tinyurl.com/6mq335x ). If someone in
Commissioner Hawkins' position had been willing to speak the truth then, Ms.
Hartig may have resigned as school board chairperson a year before she
finally did. She may even have resigned from the school board altogether and
the latest disruption of school district leadership may have been avoided.
In this case, we can thank Fred Hawkins for personally doing the wrong thing
at the wrong time. Would someone else have had the strength of character to
do the right thing instead? Well yes actually. A well established member of
the press in our area finally did what Fred Hawkins refused to do. Thanks to
our founding fathers for a free press which has helped to expose public
corruption for more than 2 centuries now.
So no, Steve Berube's innate reaction to being called-out in public was to
instinctively lash out at the questioner, similar to what Starwood / Harmony
Development Company has done and just like Fred Hawkins did.
But shouldn't we expect more from the people we elect to represent us? I
think we should, if we ever hope to elevate ourselves above the mediocrity
and malaise that is Harmony and the surrounding Osceola County.
If we want a quality place to live, we had better start electing quality
people to represent us.
Of course Steve is entitled to non-respond in his usual way. Other than that
(plus anything that I might add), this topic is now closed.
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From: harm...@googlegroups.com [mailto:harm...@googlegroups.com]On
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:50 PM
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