artwork for the new logo
kelvin ng
That seems really appropiate for us!
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Mel, any feedback?
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Meng Weng Wong <meng...@pobox.com> wrote:
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Jason Ong
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BTW I asked Meng what the stars in the Singapore flag stood for and,
being a fine upstanding patriot, he was naturally immediately able to
tell me (Democracy, Peace, Progress, Justice, Equality - for anyone new
to the country like me).
We did some googling around and found that, intriguingly, there seem to
be five core hacker values. So we propose that these are what the stars
in the hackerspace.sg logo should stand for: Intelligence, Curiosity,
Novelty, Creativity and Disruption.
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On 20-Oct-2009, at 9:05 AM, "Hugh Mason" <Hugh....@pembridge.net>
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Michael Cheng
we're done!
Kidding aside, i'm really not sure about this design. Color red
usually signify danger... might not be the right color. And i'm not
sure being associated with our state flag is a good thing. Might scare
off some pple thinking we're too pro-authority / regulation.
What do you think?
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Actually i think it looks communist... add a sickle and mallet and we're done!
Kidding aside, i'm really not sure about this design. Color red usually signify danger... might not be the right color. And i'm not sure being associated with our state flag is a good thing. Might scare off some pple thinking we're too pro-authority / regulation.
Michael Cheng
Meng Weng Wong
Might scare off some pple thinking we're too pro-authority / regulation.
What do you think?
Meng Weng Wong
> A more subtle "5-star & crescent moon" approach might be better.
>
> Come to think of it, what we are doing is rather communal /
> socialist in nature... we dun own the property - the "state" does. ;D
>
> But more importantly, being "communist" still has a negative
> connotation (Vietnam War, Communist Insurgency in Malaya, et al) in
> our mind-space (in my generation at least). It just might present an
> issue when it comes to getting govt funding (in the remote possible
> future) from a still-conservative PAP administration. :)
let me get this straight: is this an argument that:
the PAP administration which
(a) fought communism during the 60s and
(b) designed the Singapore flag with exactly those stars and that
shade of red Pantone 032
will (c) think that our homage to those stars and that red
is (d) communist
?
Vikas Reddy
Tamás Herman
as a child in a very mild form though, but my great grand mother who
managed to stay alive thru both world wars told me a lot of stories...
I think communism is an interesting idea and exactly information
technology is the area where it can work actually.
One of the fundamental ideas of communism is to distribute goods equally.
It is impossible in the material world, so the concept was obviously,
inherently condemned to failure.
In the virtual world however this requirement could be fulfilled since
the distribution and the multiplication of the virtual goods
(data/information) has a very little cost.
So personally I see the Open Source world being very similar to the
communist world imagined by Marx, Angels & Co.
If somebody is that limited he can't step over the hardwired meanings
of symbols, well...
a, better if he stays away from us together w his money
b, we can "correct" them -- a'la "The Shining" ;D (the Stanley Kubrick film)
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Kelvin Ng
Apologies in advance if i offend anyone with the following .
Perhaps of instead commenting on pro , cons, concerns of
the logo . Perhaps it would be more constructive if we could provide
alternative designs ? So we could all vote on the drain we will adopt.
Personally I like the current design for encompassing two key
concepts
1) hackerspace logo
2) Singapore flavour
With regards to other comments , I am not too concerned with
govt political considerations .
Lets set a deadline to decide on the logo and move on from here.
A risk to community led initiatives is that everyone would be
endlessly discussing issues and things won't move and eventually
drop . Let's not let it happen to hackerspace.sg !
Regards
Kelvin
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On 20-Oct-2009, at 10:28 PM, Tamás Herman <herma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Kheng Hui Yeo
2009/10/21 Kelvin Ng <kel...@hotmail.com>:
>
> Hi all,
> Apologies in advance if i offend anyone with the following .
> Perhaps of instead commenting on pro , cons, concerns of
> the logo . Perhaps it would be more constructive if we could provide
> alternative designs ? So we could all vote on the drain we will adopt.
I don't mind coming up with another option or two, might take a while
and exceed deadlines, though.
> Personally I like the current design for encompassing two key concepts
> 1) hackerspace logo
> 2) Singapore flavour
Agree on (2) but not so certain about (1), considering the logo on
Hackerspaces.org is different. ;)
> With regards to other comments , I am not too concerned with govt
> political considerations .
>
> Lets set a deadline to decide on the logo and move on from here. A risk
> to community led initiatives is that everyone would be endlessly discussing
> issues and things won't move and eventually drop . Let's not let it happen
> to hackerspace.sg !
Let's set a deadline, but not forget that community participation
sometimes takes a while to properly coalesce :) As such, we can have a
first logo which people responding first can agree on, and if there is
any overwhelming dissent, then let the dissenters come up with
alternative logos maybe a year from now (bearing in mind that too many
logo changes will also affect strength of identity?)
How about the end of October, 31st October 12.00 noon SG Time, as a
deadline? Then the decision can be reached by that evening, say maybe
20.00, and we'll have a logo all throughout November :)
Cheers,
KH
P.S. Tamas: It's Engels, I believe... though Engel is German for angel :P
Ruiwen Chua
Hello guys,
2009/10/21 Kelvin Ng <kel...@hotmail.com>:
>I don't mind coming up with another option or two, might take a while
> Hi all,
> Apologies in advance if i offend anyone with the following .
> Perhaps of instead commenting on pro , cons, concerns of
> the logo . Perhaps it would be more constructive if we could provide
> alternative designs ? So we could all vote on the drain we will adopt.
and exceed deadlines, though.
Agree on (2) but not so certain about (1), considering the logo on
> Personally I like the current design for encompassing two key concepts
> 1) hackerspace logo
> 2) Singapore flavour
Hackerspaces.org is different. ;)
Jason Ong
Regards,
Kheng Hui Yeo
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Jason Ong <velv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Haha. The original logo looks like some smart moves in Reversi.
Heh, it does kind of remind me of that game.
> Regards,
> Jason Ong
> On 22-Oct-2009, at 5:19 PM, Ruiwen Chua <rwc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe it's a reference to this emblem: http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/,
> not the hackerspaces.org one.
I know, I remember it was mentioned in an email, just couldn't be
bothered to look up the particular email in a long list ;) Ironic
considering I was being pedantic about it. Thanks though!
> //Ruiwen
KH
Aen Tan
pioneering hackerspace in Singapore, it will be the mother of all
future hackerspaces and thus having the proper brand marque is
critical and from knowledge and experience, it is mega-unlikely
anything can be properly designed by a big group.
I suggest getting not more than 3 from the committee who are
experienced in identity design to come up with co-thought and co-
evaluated mockups wich the rest of the community can then vote for
democratically and then iterate. These few design-thinkers can also
play leadership roles in creative matters as they are the subject
matter experts.
To really make such an ambitious community work, there has got to be
some form of leadership in various levels.
Aen
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
Is design by committee the way to go? Since this will be the first and
pioneering hackerspace in Singapore, it will be the mother of all
future hackerspaces and thus having the proper brand marque is
critical and from knowledge and experience, it is mega-unlikely
anything can be properly designed by a big group.
I suggest getting not more than 3 from the committee who are
experienced in identity design to come up with co-thought and co-
evaluated mockups wich the rest of the community can then vote for
democratically and then iterate. These few design-thinkers can also
play leadership roles in creative matters as they are the subject
matter experts.
So this is an open call: anybody can submit anything... or anybody can vote on anything.
-Jeff
Jason Ong
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Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
I just doodled something in photoshop + lego software for you guys to check out.
-Slash
-jf
Coleman Yee
Anyway, don't take too long deciding on the logo - it's not the most important thing in the whole scheme of things, and it can always be changed later as the organisation matures.
Adrian O
I totally agree with Coleman in that logos need to be scalable and
look good in greyscale, and yea this is kind of a side project
improvement thing, by all means we can and prolly should stick with
something simple until the hackerspace is up and running....... but in
the meantime, i had some more itchy fingers, and the following ideas
are some more doodles.
If possible, check out this video ( http://bit.ly/XRMfd ) to see where
I'm coming from on this concept of the following logos,
(its the same logo, colored differently for different purposes, for
example the red can be used as main logo, green for blog, pink for
events, greyscale for wiki... etc etc)
Just my 2 cents worth, these designs i made are for your consumption
to use if you want or not, I'm not a designer by a long-shot but just
providing some cool alternatives; also if you guys need it, i have the
psd's i can make available to all.
Cheers!
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Jason Ong
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Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
@jf - wow yea, i think that is a side effect of using 'local colors' rofl
:) even more so, making the different regions distinct! (I think u know what i mean) This is fantastic!!!
I totally agree with Coleman in that logos need to be scalable and
look good in greyscale, and yea this is kind of a side project
improvement thing, by all means we can and prolly should stick with
something simple until the hackerspace is up and running.......
well said on Coleman's part!
but in
the meantime, i had some more itchy fingers, and the following ideas
are some more doodles.
If possible, check out this video ( http://bit.ly/XRMfd ) to see where
I'm coming from on this concept of the following logos,
(its the same logo, colored differently for different purposes, for
example the red can be used as main logo, green for blog, pink for
events, greyscale for wiki... etc etc)
Just my 2 cents worth, these designs i made are for your consumption
to use if you want or not, I'm not a designer by a long-shot
:) good on you!!! It proves that creativity can come from anywhere.
but just
providing some cool alternatives; also if you guys need it, i have the
psd's i can make available to all.
I like it (the red) already. Especially since making that leap to observe that it is like our flag... Dunno about the circular ones that Jason mentioned, though - i dont have photoshop to view the psd.
-jf
Adrian O
circle parts you see in all the logos making it look like logo bricks
(i originally got the idea from the news when they were giving out
logo bricks hahaha)
@jason without the lego circular stuff hmmm... okay here's more images!
Thats about all the juice i have for now guys lol.
David Chua
Great job!
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
@jf thanks for the encouragement,
:)
i think Jason meant without the
circle parts you see in all the logos making it look like logo bricks
(i originally got the idea from the news when they were giving out
logo bricks hahaha)
ah, got it!
@jason without the lego circular stuff hmmm... okay here's more images!
I actually prefer the circular stuff. Lego, after all, is very much about building stuff... (though not so much about taking things apart!)
kelvin ng
Me too I prefer the one with the lego circular stuff. But I prefer the one with the 3D effect just because it looks way cooler.
Regards
Kelvin
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:36:55 +0800
Subject: [HackerspaceSG] Re: artwork for the new logo
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Adrian O
Its good to have options sometimes, altho too much options will
confuse people haha..
Speaking of which, here are 2 hybrid designs to confuse you!
'(confused_yet' is a hybrid, 'more_confusion' has an SG text within the design)
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
Hey guys, thanks for the feedback :)
Its good to have options sometimes, altho too much options will
confuse people haha..
Speaking of which, here are 2 hybrid designs to confuse you!
'(confused_yet' is a hybrid, 'more_confusion' has an SG text within the design)
I think u should give us the rationale for the slight variation. Is there a point to it?
-jf
Slash
lego and those who want something cleaner, but I accidentally spun
something around and found out it looks like an 'sg' for singapore,
and I thought it's great to have an sg but also put the other design
for those who don't like it to look too 'institutionalized'
Jason Ong
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> '(confused_yet' is a hybrid, 'more_confusion' has an SG text within the design)
it took me for a while to recognize the Sg in the design, but very clever!
maybe we can shift the g down by one cell and invert the shadows too.
I LOVE IT and it's something which we could draw quite easily just by hand too.
and i like the fact that it disrupts the rules of light casting so 1
shadow is dropped into an unexpected direction :)
im just writing a small script to create this logo programmatically,
so we can scale it, bend it, subtitle it, montage it.
(u can guess in which language is it gonna b written ;)
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Adrian O
will decide on the logo by Sunday, November 8th. So far there are 4
designs, so this is a last call for anyone who wants to submit their
own designs to reply to this thread (with the design image) latest by
Friday 6th November so that I can add it into the poll for voting.
Attached are the current contenders.
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
Hi guys, after the productive kopi session, its been decided that we
will decide on the logo by Sunday, November 8th. So far there are 4
designs, so this is a last call for anyone who wants to submit their
own designs to reply to this thread (with the design image) latest by
Friday 6th November so that I can add it into the poll for voting.
Attached are the current contenders.
what happened to 'slash_haha_more_confusion.png'? (ie. where the 'g' is at the same level as the 's') Why did the 'g' drop down? (In the interest of saving space, I am only attaching the 2 images mentioned. Everybody should have a copy of the other images already)
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Adrian O
Meng Weng Wong
The Merlion Symbol cannot be used:
- in any trademark.
- as part of a logo e.g. in letterhead of the company.
Roland Turner
Kheng Hui Yeo
> Ugh. My understanding was that the Merlion symbol was adopted specifically
> to provide an identifiable symbol that did not have to be controlled in the
> way that the flag is.
Doesn't mean it won't be subject to any controls at a later stage ...
KH
Roland Turner
- Raz